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TheShepard 09-12-2008 08:30 AM

Project Cameloter in South Korea
 
Just wanted to offer myself to anyone in South Korea. I am located in the middle of the country (Cheongju) and work for the Air Force Academy. You may contact me here or through my email.

Argumentum.ad.populum@gmail.com

Best regards to all everywhere. What an exciting time to be alive. Let's work together.

Brandon Cates

rustanddust 09-12-2008 02:37 PM

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mbowie361 09-18-2008 03:27 AM

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Hi, I live in South Korea now as a Teacher, though I am living in Seoul at the moment. I thought I would send you an email and maybe we could get in touch and talk about what is going on.

Michael Bowen

TheShepard 09-18-2008 06:35 AM

Re: Project Cameloter in South Korea
 
To Rustanddust...

Everything is fine right now but I think we are going to see some large shifts by year end. Im not too familiar with the "main street" because I can't communicate with everyday citizens because of the language barrier. Right now just wanted to make a quick post to anyone living in SK so that they would know other like minded/concerned people exist here as well.

Have fun in NJ
B

IndigoPhoenix 09-19-2008 03:05 PM

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I'm in Busan , teaching..i was wondering if there were some kind of way to get the message of whats really happening in the world to the koreans..i cant read or write in hangul so my hands are bound on this one.

Im ready for duty, lets get some work done and get stuff figured out.

:trumpet:

Rocky_Shorz 09-19-2008 11:22 PM

Re: Project Cameloter in South Korea
 
are you hearing much about North Korea re=opening it's Nuclear processing facility?

IndigoPhoenix 09-20-2008 01:26 AM

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personally i am not hearing much about north korea's nuclear reactors, all i have heard is that they r doing it because the US and its allies have broken some deals in what was agreed to by them..which im not surprised...i'll look around for more info..keep in mind most foreigners in SK cant speak or read the language so we use oythersources..there r english news papers but i'm not really sure where to find them.

Jeremiad 09-21-2008 01:05 PM

Re: Project Cameloter in South Korea
 
Hey guys,

Like you I am in South Korea teaching as well. I'm right outside of Seoul in Bundang. Maybe we should all try to organize a get together here soon, seeing as how it looks like we've got some rough waters ahead.

Anybody up for a meeting?

IndigoPhoenix 09-22-2008 10:28 AM

Re: Project Cameloter in South Korea
 
yah im up for meeting..we should decide when and where. i'll get back in touch and let you know when is good for me. i need to have my g/f w/ me anywhere cuz im not abandoning her to the storm. peace

Jeremiad 09-22-2008 01:42 PM

Re: Project Cameloter in South Korea
 
Oh certainly. In fact, I imagine the more people we have the better (well.. you know, to a point). What, there seems to be like... four of us here? Depending on how things go, that might not be the best number for survival purposes.

Then again, I've never survived a cataclysmic event, so what the hell do I know?

Anyway, if anyone's down for a weekend coming up here, that's totally cool with me. Maybe this weekend or next. I have a feeling things might be getting hectic pretty quick.

Wherever we meet, it'd probably be good to do it during the day, you know, so everyone has access to the subways.

Shepard, you said you were somewhere in the middle of the country? How far away from Seoul is that? I know the buslines here are pretty good, so I'm wondering how long it might take to travel between the two.

So you guys let me know what's good for you, and we'll see if we can get something together.

- J

P.S. Do you guys have Skype? It may be easier as well to just set up some conferences too.

IndigoPhoenix 09-25-2008 12:33 PM

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maybe our best bet is to find a buddhist temple in Kangwon-do province..i have been looking on google earth and there is a little town or something called Habajae, there in Kangwondo. plenty of wilderness there..its far enough away from the coast and in the mountains..i think we would be rather safe there, hopefully we can find a buddhist temple there that will take us in. ..at the very least maybe a farming village..the alternative is roughing it in the woods..which doesnt bother me really but we will have to make it through the winter and spring..if you can find a big amount of dried fish/squid, nuts, dried veggies, get a 90 day supply and through it in a duffle bag ..mean while get warm camo clothes, a good knife, and a blanket....remember if the military cant see us, the better off we will be...the big winter is upon us. also if you can find a way to get to Habaejae, then i'd take it. If you have better ideas let me know. thats what i got...peace

Jeremiad 09-25-2008 02:16 PM

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I love how it seems like we're all spread out over Korea. It's like there are four of us here, each at the four different corners of the country.

But I like your idea Indigo. I think a Buddhist temple in a small village in the mountains would be the ideal place. The counter teachers at my Hagwon are really helpful, so I'll ask some of them about some sites that are in the interior of the country.

Also, I looked for the town your were talking about on Google Maps (lame Google Earth stopped working for my version of OS X), and I couldn't find it. I looked for the Kangwon-do province, but it told me that it was in North Korea, and I'm just going to go ahead and say that's probably not where we want to go =P

Anyway, I'll do some more research and get back to ya'll. I'm not too sure how we'd get there, so that'll be something I'll have to ask the other teachers at the school.

IndigoPhoenix 09-26-2008 11:24 AM

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hmm thats weird, perhaps you should use google earth then.. u can download it for free. i think its much better than using the search engines cuz..well, its right there as a really sweet interactive map basically....plus the spelling that im using comes from google earth so maybe that is where the problems might be stemming from, cuz the spelling of these places might be different in the search engines compared to google earth...anyways, yah i think buddhist temples r prolly our best bet..high spiritual vibrations and a good, solid community mentality dedicated to helping humanity...language barriers can be dealt with after we get there...as long as we make ourselves useful i think there would be no problem for them to accept us in. anyways keep the search going, i'll be posting links this weekend of stuff that i find.

your right..it is rather interesting that the 4 of us r scattered on 4 completly different areas of korea..luckly we can still meet rather easily..its not like ur in canada and im in mexico or anything, haha..that would be interesting

anyways, im getting survival gear this weekend..if you have any savings i suggest you do the same. remember, camo is ur friend..particularly multi cam..try to get winter stuff, good knives, etc. we might be roughing it in the woods for a while , in which case we would need to build shelters from fallen timber and leaves....we need to at least get past the winter and early spring hump...so dried fish, nuts and dried veggies r ur friends too..90's worth in a duffle bag might do the trick...in any case it will be slim pick'ns either way until we find the right temple/monastary.

peace

Jeremiad 09-26-2008 05:38 PM

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Hey, did you guys see this in the news forum?

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=3464

Here I was thinking we'd be safe from the major stuff going down in the US, but it looks like it's hitting our backyards sooner than expected.

Unfortunately, I just got to South Korea at the end of August, and I won't get paid until the 10th of October (3 days after the supposed 'event'). I am buying some important gear this weekend however, so I'll see how much I can scrounge together with my advance.

Damn, I have to admit, I didn't expect things to be hitting the fan so close to my little get away. I'm going shopping today (Saturday) to get my junk together, because this weekend and next might be out last to get ourselves ready.

If you find a temple that seems to fit what we need, it'd be awesome if you could post the coordinates. I can't use Google Earth because I have OS X 3.9 which Google Earth stopped supporting about April of this year (arg!) but I did of course bring with me a bunch of paper maps I'll be able to lug around in my backpack. So, if I can get the general location, I'll be able to pinpoint it in case of a sudden need to flee the city.

Hopefully these things don't come to pass, but if they do... I'll be seeing you guys in another world.

TheShepard 09-28-2008 03:51 AM

Meeting arrangement
 
Hey guys,

Ive spoken with Mike Bowen (up in seoul) and we were thinking about getting together for a meeting around the 11th of october up in seoul. I think by now we have about 4-5 of us and it would be beneficial for us all to get together around this time. Im only 2 hours from seoul and could meet anywhere convenient....someplace equidistant for everyone up there would be best. I know indigo you are down in pusan so that's kind of a pain for you but let's see if we can work it out. This weekend unfortunately im gonna be in gangwon-do with the g/f so it will have to be the week after. I have spoken with Mike who owns a bar up in seoul and we were talking about making some flyers and posting them around the bar with our contact info on it for anyone open minded to this information. So for now let's plan on October 11th saturday...let me know if you have any problems with that date.

take care all of you...see you soon
B

IndigoPhoenix 09-28-2008 01:45 PM

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Shep

yah i'll see what i can do to get to seoul on saturday..like you , i spend a lot of time with my girlfriend..so i'll see what our plans r..i'll talk to her and tell her that we need to meet up with you guys as soon as possible.

Whats it like in gangwon-do? we have been talking about retreating there when the time comes..do you know of any buddhist temples/monastaries there?

I have been looking at the taebaek mountain range as a good place to hide, can you confirm this with your connections to the military?..we can use a mountain called Seoraksan as a point of reference as well as a city called Sokcho too.


Jerimiad,

see what you can get, act fast..and hmm another world..yah thats one thing to think about.

Jeremiad 09-28-2008 02:29 PM

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Hey guys,

I'm totally down for October 11th in Seoul. I'm not sure where your buddy David is, but Itaewon is sort of a hub for foreigners, so that might be a good place. I'm in Bundang, which is about a 30 min bus trip from Itaewon, to the South East, so if that works for ya'll we can meet at the subway station at the Itaewon exit.

Anyway, I'll keep that date open and I'm down to meet up at that time.

Catch ya'll on the flip side.

IndigoPhoenix 09-29-2008 02:20 AM

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is that the exit in front of the hamilton hotel? i used to live in that area..i lived in Haebongchon by Noksapyeong station. anyways, im not sure if i can make it or not..im still trying to get stuff together ..if i cant make it then have the meeting w.out me and please fill me in on the details here. anyways..i hope everyone is getting ready cuz we r abut an inch away from the world coming unglued....but on the bright side.. we wont have to be wage slaves anymore lol..good thing this is all a dream and the universe is holographic.

mbowie361 09-30-2008 10:35 AM

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Oct 11th works with me, which is going to be the second Saturday of Oct. My bar is located in Sinchon Station near Yonsei University. The name of the Bar is called Mike's Cabin, it's usually pretty busy on the weekends and it's quite noisy, so I wouldn't suggest it for a sit down and have a conversation type of place. I think Itaewon is ok with me, whatever that is more central for everyone. I know one of you is in Busan, which is about Four hour trip if you include the 3hr KTX to Seoul Station, and from there another 30min Subway ride to Itaewon.

From Bundang it's like about hour and a half or so...

Some of the things I thought we could talk about was;

1)Suggested locations for worst of the worst situations

2)How can we gather together to that location(s) incase of internet/cellphone disconnection...and what do we need to prepare...

3)What can and should we do to wake others up

I know there are a lot of things in people's mind, I have been living in Korea for past 5 years or so, though I can write some Korean, I can't say I am fluent, and certainly probably not enough to get these "conspiracy" theories across the general public, though I do know few who can.

Something to think about before we meet...

I don't have a cellphone, but my home number is 02-6408-9603, feel free to give me a call.

Email me at Mbowie361@hotmail.com

Cheers

lile_lu 09-30-2008 11:27 AM

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Hello everyone!

I moved to Korea in November from the US thinking it would be safer here. I teach and live in Gwangju (Sw area) and noticed the chemtrail spraying immediately. My first reaction was to warn everyone, but that is difficult w/ the language barrier. On a particularly heavy spraying day, I stood on a busy sidewalk and pointed to the sky. People looked up, not sure what they thought.

Anyway, I joined this forum after reading this post and would like to contribute. I'm on Skpe (lile_lu) and very resourceful when it comes down to it.

peace

Jeremiad 09-30-2008 04:46 PM

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Hey guys and gals,

So because it looks like we might not be able to communicate on this forum anymore (subscription thing), I've put together a mailing list with everyone's email that I've got. I've got Mike's (mbowie), Brandon's (Shepard) and Phoenix's (sorry man, haven't gotten your real name yet, I looked though =P).

Mine is jeremyschulze@yahoo.com

Lile, I looked for you on Skype but wasn't able to find you. If you type in jeremiad22 or Jeremy Schulze you might be able to find me, and if you want to send me an email I'll add you to the list.

Hey Mike, I've only been here about a month, so you might know of a better place for us to sit down and have ourselves a good long talk. If Itaewon work's for ya'll it works for me (though I have to admit Mike, having your own bar is sweet, it could be like our secret HQ =P).

I've only been there twice so I haven't really gotten a chance to scope out good meeting places, so if any of ya'll know of a good place I'm down for where ever.

I'll send everyone on my list an email with everyone else's email. I just got my ARC and I'm waiting on my first paycheck before I get my phone (on the 10th... three days after HPH's big event... awesome).

I'll be thinking about those things you suggested Mike, and hopefully come next Saturday we'll all have some good ideas to toss around.

Catch you guys later,

- Jeremy

ideagoras 10-01-2008 08:02 PM

Re: Project Cameloter in South Korea
 
Hello.

I write to share my views. My cut on this thing is that we (in Korea) will have a lot more time to get ready than some of you may think. I do not recommend that you rush out to some mountain or mountainous monk retreat in Korea and try to do the Les Stroud thing--believe me it is extremely cold in the winters here and the wind chill factor alone will make you wish you were back at the warm hakgwon. I think you will be more than safe in your apartments through the winter if not through til next spring. I predict at least 6 months before things start to kick in from whatever happens in the US (Korea has $220b to $250b in foreign reserves to use over this period to stabilize the local markets). And even then, I just do not see things getting that bad in Korea a la some nightmare scenario as wrought in recent Hollywood disaster flicks.

Korea/Asia will obviously be affected by the coming US dollar/economic collapse but my take on it is that it will be far less damaging/in your face than what it may be in the US.

Most Asian economies have fairly high national savings rates (Korea, Japan roughly 30%, China is up to 50% of GDP) maintained for years/ decades. Korea also has the benefit of having gone through a major economic crisis back in 1997 and the country/people has learned how to survive (the psychological factor is key here). Koreans in general during national emergencies, disasters know how to work together, cooperate, and help one another (with each other and foreigners alike) as was the case in the 1997 crisis.

I do not believe that the dollar/US economy/OTC derivatives crash (if and when it happens) will take down all the functioning economies in Asia (for too long anyways). It will take down the existing financial system based on dollar hegemony and it will take down any debtor nation. But for many of the economies in Asia, they have everything in place to be able to recover and recover quickly.

There are 3.2 billion people in the Asia-Pacific region. Not only is it the most populous and fastest growing region in the world, I believe its importance to the world will only be clearer after the dollar system collapses.

I think on the whole, Korea is not too bad of a place to be for now--it is a creditor nation, it's a democracy (& very friendly to English speakers), it has been through the 97 crisis, and it will continue to trade robustly with other economies regardless of the financial fallout in the West.

In truth, I think we will be fine here. My concern and prayers are for those ordinary people in America who have struggled to make ends meet and put food on the table for their families who may end up suffering even more as a result.

IndigoPhoenix 10-02-2008 05:21 AM

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well i hope you are right but im not taking any chances...i boughta whole mess of survival gear and i have been researching how to build various styles of debris huts, trapping wild animals for food, etc. right now im storing up noodles, beans, dried fish, dried sea weed and the like ..i hope everyone can do the same. true i think we got more time than the folks in the states but lets keep in mind the globalists r striving to bring down everyone...anyways. Im well aware of the brutal winters thats why i bought plenty of warm clothes ..granted the winters r intense i think with some creativity and a strong will..we can not only keep ourselves alive but thrive. i'll try to make it up to seoul but i cant promise anything..i will try..if you guys meet please post what you talk about and the conclusions you have come to. In the meantime. peace.

Phoenix

PS. My real name is Brandon also

lile_lu 10-02-2008 06:21 PM

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Hey Jeremy/others

my skype handle is:

lile_lu

I am freaking right now...just read this post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...ighlight=korea

What does everyone think?

Jeremiad 10-03-2008 11:10 AM

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Yeah I read that. I'm curious what this new deal with South Korea means. Oh, I found you on Skype by the way.

So here's the thing, while I'm sure things will be safer in South Korea than they are with the US, I'm guessing that many of us here are from the US, with many friends and family back home. Also, I know South Korea's currency is very much tied to the US dollar. Now, maybe these new deals will help distance the won from the dollar, but I read today in the Korean Time that apparently the won is doing the worst out of Asians top ten currencies.

Either way, I think we'll have to wait and see what happens. I've been following the Half Past Human dudes like it's my job lately, and with this recent announcement, I'm going to guess that on October 7th, there will be a bank holiday that will shut down the entire banking system for a week (I'm thinking just the US). This will cause a major panic as people will be very angry they can't get their money. I think this is what the HPH guys were talking about when they said it was going to be a economic thing. Then on the 15th is when they talked about a military misunderstanding....

I'm not going to guess what happens on the 15th, but for right now, I'm betting the Oct. 7th event will be a bank holiday.

Time will tell...

- J

larissarissa 10-03-2008 01:29 PM

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Hi guys, I'm in Gumi, center of Korea, about 3 hours drive from Seoul. Nice to know you are there, I've been in Korea 10 months and have had no contact with other foreigners, I'm the only foreign teacher in my hogwan.

Sorry, but I don't understand the panic. How many of those dire predictions have ever come true? There is a possibility but no certainty. For a balanced view of possible outcomes I would check out David Wilcock's forum on Divine Cosmos.com. He gives his own predictions which you can check out on the home page.

I was planning on stopping off in USA after my contract is up here. Hmm, maybe that's not such a good idea, we'll see. We can only take one day at a time and respond as things unfold. I'd love to talk to some of you if you care to contact me. My email is larissayng@yahoo.com, and my phone number is 054 465 5531. I've actually never been to Seoul, but would like to visit at some point. Hope to talk to someone soon! Love, Larissa

ideagoras 10-03-2008 03:28 PM

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The Korean Won is pegged to the dollar. A dollar collapse will no doubt significantly affect the Korean Won/Asian currencies but this scenario will not be much different than what happened to the Korean Won during the 1997 currency crisis in terms of short run effects. In 1997 Korea had a mere $35b in foreign reserves (mostly US) as a means to protect the Korean Won from a major currency devaluation. Obviously this was insufficient (as the Won depreciated from 650 KRW to 2000 KRW at its peak that year) and required a $20b bailout from the IMF subsequently to restore the KRW to the 1200 level.

Korea today has accumulated $230b in foreign reserves to protect its currency and is spending approximately $5-10b per month to provide local market liquidity in reaction to recent US credit/bank meltdown. If the House (US) passes the $700b bailout bill, then Korea's foreign reserves will be able to have a greater short term impact in terms of stabilizing its currency for the next 6-12 months. If the bill does not pass, the dollar could collapse as many now predict. In such a situation a de-pegging of the KRW to the US dollar would immediately cause Korea to lose the value of its $230b in foreign reserves and the country would be in a crisis similar to that in 1997--or until it pegs its currency to a basket of other currencies. Japan and China are in a similar situation and therefore the three countries are now meeting to discuss how to jointly respond to the US financial crisis. Of the three only China is de-pegged from the US dollar (since 2005). It may very well be that Korea switches to the Yuan/basket of currencies from the dollar depending on what transpires in the meeting/ in the US and in such a situation would lessen the damage from a dollar fallout.

My point is that Korea/Asia will certainly go through another financial crisis if the US dollar collapses. But Korea, like other Asian economies, is not in debt and would be in a position to find export solutions to save itself again regardless of how much foreign reserves it may lose due to a dollar collapse in the short run. I predict a massive increase in intra-Asian trade and this will be the basis of the economic recovery in the region (as I have said, if there is an economic recovery in the world it will be most likely be in Asia first).

As for the US and other debtor nations, the situation could very well be as bleak and dire as some are predicting (e.g. end up with third world status economically) and it may take decades for the country to recover.

I am not sure people here will need to worry all that much about "survival" for the basic necessities of life. Much more likely would be a situation where we may end up sending food/instant noodles and other non perishables Stateside to family and friends next year and beyond if this thing does really happen.

Jeremiad 10-03-2008 03:44 PM

Re: Project Cameloter in South Korea
 
Psssh... I knew there was a reason the universe sent me to this side of the planet. Guess it's time for me to be the caretaker of the family.

Damn I hate responsibility =P

Nicomachus 10-05-2008 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ideagoras (Post 37005)
The Korean Won is pegged to the dollar. A dollar collapse will no doubt significantly affect the Korean Won/Asian currencies but this scenario will not be much different than what happened to the Korean Won during the 1997 currency crisis in terms of short run effects. In 1997 Korea had a mere $35b in foreign reserves (mostly US) as a means to protect the Korean Won from a major currency devaluation. Obviously this was insufficient (as the Won depreciated from 650 KRW to 2000 KRW at its peak that year) and required a $20b bailout from the IMF subsequently to restore the KRW to the 1200 level.

Korea today has accumulated $230b in foreign reserves to protect its currency and is spending approximately $5-10b per month to provide local market liquidity in reaction to recent US credit/bank meltdown. If the House (US) passes the $700b bailout bill, then Korea's foreign reserves will be able to have a greater short term impact in terms of stabilizing its currency for the next 6-12 months. If the bill does not pass, the dollar could collapse as many now predict. In such a situation a de-pegging of the KRW to the US dollar would immediately cause Korea to lose the value of its $230b in foreign reserves and the country would be in a crisis similar to that in 1997--or until it pegs its currency to a basket of other currencies. Japan and China are in a similar situation and therefore the three countries are now meeting to discuss how to jointly respond to the US financial crisis. Of the three only China is de-pegged from the US dollar (since 2005). It may very well be that Korea switches to the Yuan/basket of currencies from the dollar depending on what transpires in the meeting/ in the US and in such a situation would lessen the damage from a dollar fallout.

My point is that Korea/Asia will certainly go through another financial crisis if the US dollar collapses. But Korea, like other Asian economies, is not in debt and would be in a position to find export solutions to save itself again regardless of how much foreign reserves it may lose due to a dollar collapse in the short run. I predict a massive increase in intra-Asian trade and this will be the basis of the economic recovery in the region (as I have said, if there is an economic recovery in the world it will be most likely be in Asia first).

As for the US and other debtor nations, the situation could very well be as bleak and dire as some are predicting (e.g. end up with third world status economically) and it may take decades for the country to recover.

I am not sure people here will need to worry all that much about "survival" for the basic necessities of life. Much more likely would be a situation where we may end up sending food/instant noodles and other non perishables Stateside to family and friends next year and beyond if this thing does really happen.

You must be reading off of those Korean English newspapers and believe what they say about Korean economies and all. The matter of fact is that Korea has never been a safe haven from the gloabl economic crisis. Korean Won is losing its vaule against US dollar now reached 1230 as of today which it used to be around 900 three months ago(inspite of global dollar value loss?). The goverment officials insist they have enough liquidity to handle all the dollar based ecomic crisis, guess what! They have NO MONEY!! The most of the dollars they insist to have, that can be cashed immediately in case of emergency, are now invested in the US bond markets. And do you really believe Japanese and Chinese are gonna help korea setting up the 800b dollar Asian union fund for an ecomomic crisis of Korea? I don't think so. You know they have been bluffing for all these years.

The most vulnerble nation after the US in this global economic recession is KOREA. Sorry to say this but it's quite true.

Tomorrow morning the curruency market will soar up to 1260~80. And if anything goes off the norm or expectency in Europe and US markets, tudesday in Korea will turn out to be a hell that can be remembered for years and years.

Better go make a contingency plan my friend!

And good luck to you all and see you on the other side.

Nicomachus 10-06-2008 07:19 AM

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Hello. I appreciate your intention, I'm guessing you were actually trying to be helpful. Knowledge is gained most often when you find that you are in the wrong and shown a better explanation.

If you could substantiate your claims perhaps we could learn something.

Have a nice day.

I said yesterday evening : Tomorrow morning the curruency market will soar up to 1260~80. And if anything goes off the norm or expectency in Europe and US markets, tudesday in Korea will turn out to be a hell that can be remembered for years and years.

I guess it's substantiated enough?

mbowie361 10-06-2008 12:23 PM

Re: Project Cameloter in South Korea
 
I just want to say that there are some disagreements as to how and what the Korean economic situation is going to be in the near future, however most of us can agree on the fact that the US economy will collapse very soon?

I think we should focus first on the materials we all agree on then prepare ourselves accordingly. If there are those who feel nothing will happen, then there is nothing that needs to be done, and there is nothing that should be feared.

There are of course, some of us who are not as sure which way the pendulum will swing, and if you have any doubt as to what is coming, I think it's reasonable to make at least some preparations.

I know there is going to be different levels of preparedness we can talk about. The absolute worst situation is probably going to be nuclear weapons going off, and the as George Green and perhaps Bill Deagle puts it the northern half of the Earth will be engulfed in radioactive waste, with riots, food shortages, or whatever your imagination can think of in dire moments.

I for one think we will fall some where in between, but I can say for sure if Nukes do go off I don't have the means prepare myself for that. But on the other hand, if there is going to be an economic collapse and Korea does fall into the black hole of US debt, there certain measures to protect ourselves.

Moving money out of dollars and even wons into gold and silver; make sure having enough food in case of a food shortage; water; etc...

I am not going to speculate what is going to happen definetly, I just listen best as I can to people who seem to have an idea of what is going on, but at the same time I not going to depend on anyone else to save my butt if things do go sour.

In conclusion, people should move according to what they believe, but don't put yourself in any postition where you think you are going to regret any decisions you have made.

I have never been a boy scout, but I agree with their moto "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst."

Mike

IndigoPhoenix 10-07-2008 11:00 AM

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i'll see u guys on saturday

IndigoPhoenix 10-08-2008 02:45 AM

Re: Project Cameloter in South Korea
 
whoa..hold up. Time to calm down folks...look we r in this together and we need to work together...personally i believe that getting into debates about what currency is going to do what is pointless and counter producive...they r all going belly up..its a global meltdown, we need to focus on helping ourselves and eachother out (which r ultimately the same thing) in whatever ways possible.

...anyways before a full blown argument gets kicked into full gear, and nagativity rapes and plunders the land, i thought id try to step in and try to prevent it..i'd appreciate some back up on this too guys.

ideagoras..those r mighty strong words please watch the vibes.

Nicomachus..i dont know where u get ur info from and im not really sure i care that much about the future of any currency...in my view as well as probably many many others on project avalon is that holding any currency is not good..it will all be worthless soon anyway so use it up and get stuff u can eat and keep u warm and dry..u know ..stuff that really matters to the well being of someone..u cant eat money, gold isnt going to keep u dry, and silver wont keep u warm (though gold and silver do have value for other things)... i am in the process of doing everything i feel i need to do. getting dried food, survival gear, warm clothes, blanket, even gold and silver too ..i suggest u and everyone do the same.

We r trying to create a radiant zone..if we r arguing..our zone isnt worth a damn, far from radiant...also i think it is consensus through the emails i got... no mooches...so in short focus on the task at hand and get as prepared as u can in the short amount of time we have. arguing and bickering is pointless and hurts us all so unless u want to be responsible for that...chill out and think about more pertinent issues...like feeding urself , helping others and shelter..we gotta help each other out or all of our efforts r in vain.

Also as a reminder...we are the same organism caught in the illusion of separatism. we are eternal beings and this samsara is illusory (yet very convincing) in nature. so arguing with each other is ultimately arguing with yourself....which makes arguing and bickering even more pointless.

I suggest, again, we stay focused on what needs to be done, also stay positive and remember to forgive others as well yourself.

peace

Nicomachus 10-08-2008 03:32 PM

Re: Project Cameloter in South Korea
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ideagoras (Post 42638)

To the rest of you: good luck and don't forget to enjoy the moment.

And I'm very sorry if I have ever offended you by any means. To be more substantiated, I was just little upset about your overly positive attitude on Korean economy and your seemingly overwhlemed faith on Mr. Wilcock.

And my apologizes for everyone here Camelotters in Korea that I might have caused little disturbance.

To make a long story short, I KNOW we are all in ONE. Let the spirit grow toward the vicory of us all!


And personally to ideagoras, i am very sorry, I mean it. Sorry about that "SEE YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE" thingy :lmao:



I won't be able to meet you guys up there this Saturday, but I will keep in youch with you guys for sure.



My name is Art, a Korean native, educated in the States, and a sutdent of Greeks.

IndigoPhoenix 10-21-2008 10:05 AM

Re: Project Cameloter in South Korea
 
Where has everyone gone? These korean forums seem rather lonely after the meeting.

mudra 07-19-2009 02:21 PM

Re: Project Cameloter in South Korea
 
Friends visit my thread: Radiant zones and community building...Where are we up to ?

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=15480

loving kindness
mudra


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