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I am seriously considering converting to solar for my house, it would seem that there are affordable ways to do this now, by building your own panels & doing all the installation yourself. This is a product I found off some website:

http://www.homemadeenergy.org/head2.html?hop=cyprusmete

It looks pretty good to me, I was wondering if any other members have familiarity with it and what their opinion is, if it is a good guide or if there are any better.

I think it should all be free by the way, but this guide is very inexpensive.
If I or one of us knows how to build solar panels and wind mills-wouldn't it be great if we could post the instructions on this forum?

I want to do something practical and not spend all my time speculating about the illuminati and what's to become of us-and I am sick of paying for electricity when it is entirely possible to get it free.

This is something I have control over and can do-and I want to do it soon!

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Please let me know if you try this and if it works/ is legit. Thanks!:original:

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You've got the right attitude there pilot or should i say altitude!!lol.

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Someone I know just went off the grid with solar, but it cost $30K. Someone's claim to do it for $200 raises my eyebrow. I would do more research before jumping at that add. When I read it, my gut didn't like it. Might be source of information, but some of those claims are probably the far ends of the spectrum. Some of it might be possible, but to do your whole house, to hook it al up together probably takes some skill the average person lacks. Good luck, but be careful. I found a 45watt solar panel at Harbor Freight for $200. It's big enough to charge a 12v car battery that can run a small TV and DVD player off an inverter. Do more research for yourself. My 2cents....

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Power generating windmills usually sell for thousands of dollars on the net so i too would be very wary of this offer to "inform you" of a $100 device.

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hey im looking into getting a petrol generator and seeing if we can convert it to HH0. IVE GOT ABOUT 40 DOCS ON STAN MEYERS STUFF. SOME SCHEMATICS AND PLANS. in fact ive jsut been colecting info for about the last 4 months on everyconceivalbe kind of free NRG. one of my friend sfathers is an industrial electrician and he has just succesfully done HH0 assisted diesel.. not sure of the details but im happy to share info i have collected

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http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/

hope this helps if people havnt seen this site yet

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I have a good feeling that prices will drop a little, let's say, one year from now, so I will personally wait a little more.
Every information is of course welcome!!!

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I think most people here are thinking much more short-term than that! :mfr_lol:

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Hello, this might be a bit off topic as we have not yet completed our technology for home application, but I would like to share with you something we've been working on for about 8 years. I've received interest from most of the major oil companies in the USA, and several in other countries. We just were written about in the latest issue of: http://www.zeuslibrary.com/syngas/

I'm not sure if the newsletter is available on line at this time, as it just was released yesterday. However, there is a 2 page write up on the latest developments of the technology. Basically, it converts methane gas (whether from farms, landfills, gas flares, etc) into methanol liquid. As some of you may know, methanol is a chemical, but is used in making biodiesel, gasoline, DME and a host of other fuels. Our prototype plant is nearly completed.

You can learn more at gastechnodotcom website. We are not yet prepared to sell out to the majors, but we have been approached by several. With the CO2 reduction climate out there, it has been interesting as a CO2 reduction technology.

I've been reading/listening/watching things from Project Camelot over the past 6 months or so and although I admit to not believing many things, I do find some of the research very valuable in my own businesses.

Please keep in mind this is a modular chemical/fuels plant, and is not cheap to engineer and fabricate on small scales, but compared to those that control all the competitor technologies we have a bright future for those who understand the potential of methanol as a fuel source and chemical. I may not post often, but I'll be reading and listening to learn as much as I can.

May the Lord bless each of you. Please communicate with me on this site if you seek to have further private discussion.

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Concerning wind generators - check this out.
Peace.

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why?

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HI aNGELO

Well Nik is right that alot of people here think on a timeline from today to when ever. I like most are waiting to see if all is good after November

I think its courteouse to explain: The U.S has an election in early November and many doubt there will even be a next government. Their economy is already crashed and only a fine thread of deceit and lies holds it together.

Alot of western countries including my own (NZ, with elections on 8 Nov) are experiencing a rescession unparalled before and we all believe it to be a plan rather than coincidence.

Whoever is pulling all the strings for our world today it appears they are in a hurry to put plans of world control,population control, or by sheer madness on their part Armegeddon. ie WW3, into action and then you have the planet Herself not being to happy at the way we are behaving.
The scenarios for our immediate future are to numerous to put here but if you look they can be found everywhere.


I disagree that we should all just throw our hands in the air and give up!.
So we should consider long term as well as short term. If we can all fight back the fear and spread hope and boycott evil we just might turn all this around.
I have investment in a company started here that have plans in action to do just that. The concept is over the top but what we need to support these ideas http://www.itmdi-energy.com/.


Good Luck and hope I wasn't coming over as patronizing.

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I heard somewhere can't remember where it was about 2 months ago that if you generate your own electricity then the surplus you generate can go into the grid but YOU HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE YOUR ELECTRICITY METER changed over to be able to do this and i think it goes into the hundreds of pounds!!Sick really-there's a person trying to help with energy problems off their own 'bat' and being punished financially for this purpose.Surely there should be some grant offered by govts. to attaract/encourage people to partcipate in this.I think they don't want this-keep fuel prices as they want them kept to line their bank balances more.Anyway to make money-indeed it is a god to most!

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Thanks a lot for answering!

I understand what you are writing, it's somehow really a unsure situation, that's why I am concerned about alternative energy too....
I was just meaning that going off the grid and survive on one's own energy is a big step, I personally find the planning very important. The realisation is done in a short time, that's why I was saying I will wait a little more.
But, of course, I live in another land, have other priorities etc.

Thanks for clearing your point of view,

ciao, Angelo

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Hi Guys

i'm not exactly off the grid but working on anything i can to lessen the dependence on others..
one of the best sources i have found for really good honest info is called
Countryside & small stock journal
it can be accessed on line at

www.countrysidemag.com

it covers all types of stuff from wind and solar as well as livestock and
farming plus tons of other pioneer stuff if you are serious
and really great reading and knowledge if you are only curious

personally i would like to do the wind thing but my hubby insists that you need too many batteries for storage...i'm looking into it.:thumb_yello:

wavin

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That is going on my library shelf, thank you very much.

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all I have to say is wow.

and thank you.

and I love this forum.

We ARE off the grid, using solar and wind, via boat
 

We set up our 44' sailboat to live completely grid-free, using solar and wind, and back-up gen if needed. We could use some more solar panels. Has anyone actually checked out the "homemade solar panels???" It would be important to have them waterproof, and foolproof, but solar and wind is not complicated to understand.

We use an E-Meter to monitor how many amps we use, how many we're putting back, what the voltage is, and a history of battery storage. We use 2 8-D AGM batteries, 440 amp hours, to run our systems. That is, excellent refrigeration, unlimited laptop and internet, all lights, tvs, soy milk maker, crockpot, etc. We use solar hot-water - we made our own - and cooking is by LPG stove with oven, grill (seldom used - we're vegetarian) and solar oven.

It is very satisfying, to know how to set up your own system and learn to monitor and maintain it. Yes, it requires some compromises, and you have to be very aware of how much each appliance uses. You learn how many amps a hairdryer pulls, and which ones require a power boost before flicking a switch. You set up keel-kooled refrigeration, which is extremely energy-efficient.

Given inexpensive solar and wind options, it is not rocket science. The problem is that many inventions have been bought off (or the inventors killled.) Many countries, like Sweden, have done a much better job than the USA in utilizing alternative energy.

A great site to monitor for new projects - the goal is to make them free for all - is www.peswiki.com,

And keep the excellent info coming, everyone! Isn't this forum awesome??? Thanks, Bill and Kerry, and fellow compatriots!

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A couple more threads on these points are

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=1202

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=701

Where to post?!? LOL

This is what I call organized confusion, but WE are getting to know each other.
Help those moderators and thread sorters to do their job by searching for topic before we post. Glad to see all these ideas coming out.

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Given that I live on a boat I have often thought of hydrogen power. Breaking down water into HHO and burning that in a boiler to produce steam. The steam would then drive a Tesla disc turbine, which would then drive a generator producing the electricity I want.

Combining the known methods of breaking down sea water, electrolyses, microwave, sound, and so on, should produce far more gas than I would need to fire the boiler.

Just my thoughts on how I might power this boat I live on. It's a 50 foot self powered barge type boat.

Thats just a thought, , , :sleep_1:

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Here is an Idea for free hot water.
Simply make a grid of black plastic (or whatever) tubes on the roof of the house.
Connected to the water-tank.
Remember Hot water goes up... Cold water goes down... So connect on both sides of the water box, but one higher then the other... Thus, the water will flow on it's own, and heat up.

Here is an idea for free light... only day time... sorry :tongue2:
Get a 2 Liter coke bottle. Fill it up with clean water. 1 Lid of bleach. 1 of those black camera "film containers", placed over the lid (to protect the lid from the weather)
Place the bottle on the roof, with only the upper part (the conical part that ends at the lid / or 1/3rd of the bottle) on the outside. The rest of the bottle inside.
Due to the light refraction, a room will light up the very well. Output would be something like a 60w incandescent.
4 or 5 will be equivalent to a couple of florescent tubes lights.
Don't wary about cloudy days, there isn't much change to the illumination.
CHECK: http://www.rts.org.br/noticias/destaque-2/litros-de-luz
AND CHECK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeM8PhtUXGk

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Im building a generator soon that uses magnetic repulsion based on this design: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa8EBXKDW4 . Its pretty cheap. I ordered 50 high powered disc magnets for $90 and im either going to use wood or plastic moulds for the magnetic wheels (this will be the tough part). Im gonna get a standard petrol powered generator (probably for 20$ at a scrap yard) and remove the combustion engine and replace it with this magnetic motor. Attach the magnetic motor to the existing dynamo built into the generator. The cog sizes will need to be adjusted for the correct RPM into the dynamo. It should have sufficient power for a small house or else just dont use a lot of electronics if your in a big house. Make a lead with a plug at either end and if the main power should go out plug this lead in to the generator and then into one of the wall sockets of your home. I havent tested this yet by the way. Its still just an idea. Im waiting on parts to arrive at the mo and ill post results and videos when/IF complete. :biggrin2:

Peace&Love
TV2012

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Truth voice,
please learn alot more about electricty before you do this.

just a suggestion.

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I dont really think you are being serious, maybe you are having a joke, but if you are being serious: please don't do this.

Never make a mains lead with a plug at both ends - never ever. Just think about it for a moment and you will see what an incredibly dangerous thing that is to do.

Hint: If you want to power your house with a Generator, you need a thing called a transfer switch. Also from the sounds of it, you need the services of a professional electrician.

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Thanks for the link :thumb_yello: You're story is inspirational. Where are you currently located?

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I should have mentioned turning off the power first to the house or when society collapses in on itself and the power grid is off it can then be used safely. Thanx for the concern lads. Peace out

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OK, but still get an electrician to do it. I'm an electrician and I have seen many cases where someone has or could have seriously injured themself or others because they figure "Hey I can follow instructions". Maybe you could do it right, but it's too easy to mess up and hust someone.

And as someone mentioned before, when hooking up your house to any alternate form of energy other than a powerline, you need a TRANSFER SWITCH. This is exactly what it sounds like: it switches the house's power source between the "grid"(powerlines) or generator/whatever. They make ones that will do it automatically during a power outage, but you can set them up so that the house will run, when possible, purely on solar/wind/etc. and when available power dips below a certain level it will switch back to the grid.


This is one example why a transfer switch is nescessary:
Say power goes out in your area, so you start up your generator (you have no transfer switch). The generator powers your house, but it's unlikely that you'll be drawing the maximum output of the generator (if it's of good size)running your lights, refrigerator, computer, whatever. So this extra energy needs somewhere to go and since your house is still hooked up to the powerlines, the energy goes back onto the powerlines- this is called BACKFEED.

Someone down the street or the power company guy can get killed during a power outage because you decided to fire up your generator.


But you probably already know all that, I'm just saying it just in case.
-Good luck

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Please do not take any information in this post as gospel or advice.

If we are going to discuss alternative power / energy, it may prove useful to investigate and/or shed some common misconceptions and societal memes.

Many building codes have been reviewed and found not to increase safety, but to have been implemented for fiscal agendas (similar to the way some pharmaceuticals seem to have no efficacy but generate much profit). One must scan hard on the web, but there are studies done on this, if I round some up I'll post links.

Fatalities and injuries occur from all power sources, however, jumpering car batteries was one major source back when carburetors and open fuel fumes were more common. Safe procedures and understanding (intelligence applied as wisdom) was key to making the process safer, not addition of expensive equipment.

Transfer switches are often convenient, practical and sometimes (often?) required by codes, laws and regulations, but are not technically required.

One approach to minimize risks, such as in an emergency, is to open up the main breaker in the power panel, connect first end of a 'jumper' cord (both ends with the receptacle prongs) to an outlet in the residence, connect second end to the generator and finally start the generator. When normal power is restored, reversing the procedure by first shutting down the generator, then removing jumper cord from generator, then from residence with last step being the turning back on of the main breaker ensures the jumper is never handled energized and that the utility and neighbor's wiring isn't backfed / supplied by the generator.

I raise this issue because in times of crisis and emergency, some interesting choices will be presented, and if it involves following a code / rule / meme or saving a life or increasing chance of survival, my choice will be clear.

If one is wealthy or unable to follow instructions, or wants to follow a required law / code, then a transfer switch is the way to go. I just wonder where we will get them in times of need should systemic failures cascade through systems ...

Namaste!

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Zynox, you're totally right. You seem to know what you're talking about

I was going on the thinking that this was something that was going to be set up and utilized NOW, to have on hand for a disaster/collapse situation. And I agree, alot of codes and rules are financially motivated. And yeah you can accomplish the same thing with 'jumpers' and turning the breaker off. A switch is just a lot safer and easier, and if price is an issue and you are good with tools you can MAKE a switch- it's essentially a big 3-way switch like you have in your house to turn on a light from 2 or more locations. I made one for a customer who (obviously) didn't want his house inspected and wanted systems that could be fixed (opposed to replaced).
If one is setting this up now really try and do it right, and I'm not talking about code here, just done safely.

BTW- I don't have a transfer switch, I have the genny on it's own breaker, so just I open the main and close the genny breaker. So atleast this way I have some overcurrent protection.

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What will happen to the solar power installations after EMP attack or emission? Will they work or fail? Can someone please clarify this.

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@Zynox
@Truth Voice 2012

Sorry if this sounds like an attack, or preachy - it isn't - I promise! Normally I give up at this point but I am still bothered by this.

It is evident you know how to look after yourselves - don't get me wrong.

The principle behind me posting is this: if skilled men who, with the best motivation give instructions that include the fabrication of dangerous things, or the means to kill or wound, then they should at least explain all the relevant factors and dangers to those less skilled.

In this case, that would be mentioning fully disconnecting (both poles) your house from the grid first - you didn't and thats dangerous. Second, the two plug extension lead still sounds to me criminally irresponsible and you would want to mitigate the risk you are creating by fabricating the lead only at the point of need, and then destroying it when you are done with it. If you have already made one up, and some kid finds it an plugs one end into a socket and touches on the other - well you can see where I am going...

We are all here with much knowledge to share, but at the same time we are karmically responsible for the words we utter or write and thier consequential effects on those other perhaps less experienced/knowledgable selves that hear and read them, and this happens whether we like it or not.

Finally, and this isnt just to get the last word in, there is another point to be made, and its about preparation vs. emergency measures. Transfer switches are obviously not required to use a generator in the manner you both described, but it is a safe way and an easy way, and if you are planning ahead, why not install one? Then others asides from yourselves with specialised knowledge can safely use it. Surely if you can afford a generator, and the fuel, the fuel storage systems, the fuel preservatives, oil, spares parts, tools and maintenance equipment, and all the other paraphanalia you need (or should have considered) to depend on one, then you can probably afford a transfer switch.

A..

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Good question, I'd like an answer on that too. When you look around the web there is a lot of conflicting information.

Your inverter and charger systems might suffer more than the panels. There are often longer runs of cables involved which act like antenna for the EMP.

If your system is grid-tied, then potentially the cable lengths are longer still (on the grid side).

I wonder if lightening suppressors would help? Anyone know?

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The electronics is much more sensitive to high voltage/static, so they are burnt out by the EMP. They can be protected by an electrostatic shield (Faraday cage), but you need to make sure it is totally disconnected, and that no wire that can pick up the EMP will connect it to the components. eg. if you store your PC in a metal container, it would be protected during the EMP.

For solar cells, if exposed, will the generated voltage damage the cells is the question. To be safe, they should be protected also, otherwise, the second best is to disconnect the wires going to the panels temprarily; wrapping the panels in aluminum would also shield the panels from EMP.

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"I havent tested this yet by the way. Its still just an idea. Im waiting on parts to arrive at the mo and ill post results and videos when/IF complete."
These sentences here mean: This is an idea and the generator and safety precausions that go with dont exist yet. Once I have built and tested it SAFELY I will let people know whether it works or not.

I put my hands up to this one though: "Make a lead with a plug at either end and if the main power should go out plug this lead in to the generator and then into one of the wall sockets of your home." What I should have said was "I will make a lead..." instead of "make a lead..." and "...wall sockets of MY home." instead of "...wall sockets of your home. This was completely irresponsible of me. I gotta watch my grammar. Ill be the only one taking the risk here and its my own business if I wish to do so. I was just looking for input on an idea not a condescending ego debate. I appretiate the input on the transfer switch but the message have been delivered in more respectful manner. Yup, the future is looking bright for the human race alright. (last comment on this thread) :sad:

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>condescending ego debate.
>message (should) have been delivered in more respectful manner

Ooops I did it again. I am really sorry.

Guilty as charged. I know I am very bad at this sometimes. I don't always know how to word things to avoid sounding condescending - its always a challenge for me. This isnt the first time I get accused of being condescending. I don't want to be. The first time (in another place) I had to look the word up and was horrified at what I was being accused of.

I seem to always feel the need to express my ideas fully and accurately and this then gets me in trouble.

A..

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In other words, be safe. disconect from the power grid first and then plug your gen set into a good load carrier circut, like your dryer outlet, or stove outlet.

just a suggestion.

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wholly cow that site is hard to read!

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To save energy I went and bought some outdoor solar lights, I put them on my balcony during the day and bring them in at night. I don't have to turn the lights on at all. I use one to carry around like a candle and I can turn it off when I go to bed and leave the other in the living room as a night light. I'll see how well they work in winter.

To me this is a simple and inexpensive way to light my home in the evening now not just when the grid goes down.

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how do you know all these things, are you plugged into the matrix lad?