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Originally Posted by TranceAm

But the point is that they don't have to. The one with the first claim proves.
The claim is that Jesus existed and did extraordinairy things.. (All fine and dandy, since it ain't mandatory anymore to believe in that..)

Wait a second. The claim by Zeitgeist is that every religion they show on there (Islam is not shown by the way) is an astro cult, which the elite and the sheople believe in as the worship of the one true god, which is bs. in the case of christianity (not catholicism by the way. That is a pantheistic cult). I don't know how much you care about slandered people in this case but I get upset if someone is called a schill or psy-ops (which Alex Jones was called before he pressed the israeli side of 9/11).

Originally Posted by TranceAm

The strange thing that happens is that one first has to approve to this claim, before one can have a counter claim or have an alternative claim... And has to come up with proof that discounts the first claim before we even can get to the second claim, or back to the neutral situation without the now disproven first claim.. And giving the information to justify a reasonable doubt ain't enough to counter the first claim, although reasonable doubt was enough to stake the first claim...

What do you mean by approve? I can't approve plain unproven falsehood. Did you approve what Commander Adama over here or all the 14th October Rescue squad spread? If you mean that I should see it as a proposition then be sure that I did. Why would I discuss this if I didn't? These seem like word games rather then a debate here

Originally Posted by TranceAm

The way I see it, is that the real wealth of people, "life time converted to money by work", becomes a wealth expressed in paper/fiat money, that can be stolen from, by the means of devaluation or inflation of the money supply. This in contradiction to an exchange of life wealth to gold, since gold has its own value, and thus lifetime has a "hard" value....:-) and that is hard to steal from if you can't get your hands in the sock under that matress.
Am I wrong in seeing it this way, or Am I defining your point of view differently?

Lifetime nice phrasing Well not different altogether but there are certain details. First of all the sweat of your brow (or other organs) doesn't necessarily exchange to fiat money. I do believe that not all money is fiat money in every country. I e-mailed our central bank over here to get an answer for the country I live in right now. Beyond that, it's exactly what I meant.

Originally Posted by TranceAm

I don't know, the bigger picture does reveal that wars are created by the bankers to get countries on their knees with the loans they need for warfare.
If that wasn't the case, then the US & the WOrld would be full of libraries, and palaces thus without the need for the Venus Project. That ain't the case, although a double wide is still luxury over that war torn piece of concrete in Bagdad.

Cheers...

Well exactly my friend. Although not only are the bankers to blame but all of us who give them their support. If the Venus project was just about that then I would have no problem with it (which would be a very just cause by the way). But re-phrasing the NWO with all this "info" based on the theosophic crowd with occult visuals like that "handmade pyramid shining through the sun" is not for me.

By the way it would also be nice to hear from the "I luv Zeitgeist" crowd. Not that I am singling (spelling!?) myself out here. Let's look at it in more detail rather then a piece of entertainment (I say it every time. I luv this series soundtracks )