Question Re: Masonic Degrees

[Nenuphar]

From what I understand, the majority of Masons who have their first 3 degrees are generally average folk who are a bit in the dark, who consider the Lodge more of a social networking organization that does good things for the community.

I've heard and read that as they progress through the higher degrees, and then attain the 32nd and 33rd degrees, they are let in on more esoteric ideas and that their oaths to the Masonic Lodge and to each other are much more binding.

If anyone knows, what exactly do 32nd and 33rd degree Masons know about in that the 3rd degree Masons do not? And is it different between the York and Scottish Rites?

Sorry for the extremely basic terminology...am just starting to get into this area of info.

Thanks,
Nenuphar

[sunnyrap]

I have had three family members (all three now deceased) that were Masons. I didn't give it much thought, putting them in the same category as the Lions or Kiwannis, or something, and thought it a quaint 'good ol' boys club'.

It came to my attention 8 years ago through a friend who had done a great deal of study on them that the Masons advertise themselves as a faith-based service organization, which the 'lower degrees' just as you said, fully believe means Christian faith based. Having had family members in the org, I had occasion to be in the public portions of their windowless halls. No cross or other artifact of Christian faith was in evidence. Most of the local lodges I've seen look like fortresses to start with--and you cannot see into them and are only let in maybe one 'public' area of them. My friend stated that though many Masons 'pretended' to be Christians and go to church, the reality was their loyalties were elsewhere. A 33rd-degree'er has to pledge fealty to the Lodge and Grand Master before his country, his business, even his own family or children--and especially must denounce the Christian God.

She went on to point out to me (I was going through great personal trials at the time) that there is a much higher incidence of financial ruin, terrible accidents, sickness, divorce and general negativity in the lives of the family members of Masons who weren't Masons themselves. And said that another problem was that getting out of the organization was 'frowned on', to say the least...

Because another male family member had indicated he might want to join (and must be recommended in by a member-in-good-standing), my own Mason member revealed that he had been 'nominated' for 33rd degree, but had declined the move up--but stayed in the Lodge. It was obvious to me that he was in great conflict about it, knew much that disturbed him when he said this.


My knowledgeable friend had learned that the 'upper degrees' (33rd is the 'line of demarcation') fully pull the wool over the eyes of the lower members. In fact, a common term, that of being 'hoodwinked' is a direct reference to a Masonic ritual: that of putting a hood called a 'hoodwink' over the 33rd-degree initiate when he is lead into a secret chamber to have certain truths and core concepts revealed. I think the idea was that, should the initiate decide not to accept these concepts, the other higher member's identities remained protected.*

The chief concept that had to be accepted was that Lucifer was worshiped in the organization, rather than Christ Listen to Bill & Kerry's interview with David Wilcock--he explains much of this. Also, listen to their interview with 'Svali'--she goes into great detail about their inner workings.

*This has to be problematical in smaller town lodges where everyone knows everyone else. In the case of my own family member, he died of a massive heart attack about 4 months after he revealed to us he had decided not to move up the ranks of the order. His death was plausible, but not expected...so in my mind, very suspect. In fact, all three Mason family members died difficult deaths.

I did a lot of research on them since. Most men seem to join it because the members look after each other and help each other get ahead in their communities. Members have an exclusive 'edge' over the 'riff-raff'. God-upholding people in the South Americas consider Masons in their countries as beling little better than the Mafia.

I personally believe, even without the satanic element, this brand of exclusivity will backfire on participants eventually because it is against the 'Law of One' (we are all ONE). Banding together for personal gain vs. personal service in an exclusive atmosphere is just destined for trouble, imo.

I have run across a number of Masons who don't understand why they are so despised and mistrusted. I believe there may even be a faction working to make them 'respectable'. I just don't see how that's possible when its upper leadership requires embracing the belief system--along with the inhuman practices--that it does.

[arcora]

I had a good friend who was a 32 or 33 degree mason (I can't remember exactly) - whichever it was, he was as high as he could go.

He was a normal guy and had no esoteric leanings whatsoever.

I don't think they teach much to the Masons in those degrees - I think it is some sort of a 'proving ground' for the higher teachings which begin later.

I also think it's entirely possible that the organization becomes Luciferian above those known degrees and the Luciferians may harness or feed off the energy created by the lower degreed Masons performing their little rituals - unbeknownst to them.

[Arkan]

It seems to me that Freemasonry is the 'gateway drug' of secret societies. From what I can tell it is the society that is the foundation from which most other orders stem from. The fact that it has lodges and members all of the world proves how extensive it is; the Scottish Rite is said to be the largest secret society in the world.

It's no secret that these guys are bad news. The higher you ascend the more insidious the knowledge and rituals are. I've heard that in order to become a 33 you have to perform a human sacrifice. Most people think that it ends at the 33rd degree but I suspect that there are more. Bill Schnoebelen claims to have been a 90th degree Mason. http://video.google.com/videosearch?...q=bill+schnoe#

As far as the difference is between the Rites, I know that the Scottish is based on the Egyptian system and the York is based on more Christian beliefs. Freemasonic symbols are pervasive in almost all nations and religions. Some of the most notable are the double square, the checkerboard, and the two towers Jachin and Boaz. Corporate logos are replete with these symbols. Look into Jordan Maxwell and Michael Tsarion for occult symbolism.

I feel bad for these guys because they have to go through of that nonsense to obtain knowledge that you can do by just doing your own research. They do this just to gain power and prestige for themselves but they're just decorating a burning house as far as I'm concerned.




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