I want to make my stance on alien life very clear

[Egg]

kidnapping

(law) the unlawful act of capturing and carrying away a person against their will and holding them in false imprisonment [syn: snatch]

Abduction

(Law) The wrongful
and usually the forcible, carrying off of a human being against their expressed will.


OK so thats quite clear here on what is happening. The wrongful and criminal and distressing act of taking people against their will - be it men, women or children.

Thats not even looking into the raping, sexual assaults, murder, child thefts and other horrific acts on people against their wills over many decades in some cases.

So to be absolute, total above board about it all - Do not even begin to ask me if I like aliens. No - they work at night to a hidden agenda, to their own aims and goals to their own benefit and have absolutely no regards for the welfare or condition of their victims.

If there is a space court, they would be the equivilant to the NAZI drs of old from WW2. They need the gallows and the firing squad - both worked in secret to hidden agendas, and both had aims of domination and enslavement.


So - please, don't think I am going to be very 'open minded', or 'think for the future' or 'work with them man because they might teach you some thing', because that type of thinking is like a Jew in WW2 working for the Drs skinning their victims alive because he / she is 'thinking of the future'.



I think I may have just made my very last ever post on avalon, because working with the aliens is like working for your own torturer to keep their equipment clean for your next session.

[Carmen]

Theres more on this forum than alien abduction stuff Egg. I am not drawn at all the the alien stuff and I agree with you, that it is unlawful and just plain wrong.

Cheers

Carmen

[sunflower]

Hi Egg, it's highly likely that you're speaking from personal experience, and personal experience that was most definitely not pleasant. The ones you described are the malicious ones but according to whistleblower testimony, (I have never personally seen one, that I can be 100% certain about) the nice guys are out there. More nice guys than bad guys. We are supposed to get out of our own mess by ourselves and then we are welcomed into their community. I am not trying to convince you otherwise, but please keep an open mind.

[777 The Great Work]

Check this out,it is only a reflection of all the inhumane things done on this planet. The africans were abducted and it wasn't by aliens. Until we began to feel compassion for all life,these cycles will repeat themselves.

[777 The Great Work]

BUMP This post is a classic that will bring world peace.

[tone3jaguar]

The "Aliens" that do the abductions have been reported to not be extra terrestrials at all. They are actually future timeline humans that for what ever logistical reason did not make the jump to 4th density. They messed around with thier genetics so much that they have to travel back in time and take genetic samples from us to try to fix thier own genetics. Yes they are unethical, they are the off spring of the unethical people messing up the world right now.

[futureyes]

egg ...

i respect what you write ... not posting to convince you otherwise ... we know what we know ... and experience ...

for me ... aliens are a small part of what is occuring now ... i don't place huge emphasis on them ...

i have had many true and beneficial experiences with some of them ... only SOME ...

i have also had the experience of being abducted by others that i knew little of ... i felt they were more about their agenda than any benefit to our kind ... having said that ... my experience was not pleasant as it caused me much fear ... and yet there was an intervention and i was spared their experimentation ...

abduction is clearly not in keeping with universal laws ... but it happens ... just as our own kind break laws here ... it is wrong ... but it happens ...

there will come a time place when all this gets sorted out ... universal law will once again be restored and be adhered to ...

abductions are ... simply put ... WRONG ...

but there are all types of aliens ...

and there all kinds of humans ...

[burgundia]

Think for a moment about what we do to animals....if we are animals to them then may be there is nothing wrong with that....

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by burgundia

Think for a moment about what we do to animals....if we are animals to them then may be there is nothing wrong with that....

That is a thought worth some merit.

A couple of years ago we asked this question:

March 4th, 2007:
Q.:
'What kind of protection do we need now in the current situation and in the near future?'

A.:
'You are connected and this connection will guide you if you care to listen.
We are one, remember, and this oneness gives both an understanding and the need to be aware of the possibilities that this oneness means regarding the influence of others.
To be calm, to be unafraid, to be openminded, even towards those you could consider "the enemy".
It is not so.
It is no enemy.
But it is different layers of understanding that brings about confusion.
Some will seemingly be killed, will be tortured, will be left in despair.
But life is one.
And this oneness everyone is part of, however improbable this might seem.
So, staying connected with one's true self without fear of the future,
you are already in front of the future, however strange this might seem.
Be happy for the good things in life.
Remember the good things in life, and others in the oneness will take part in that, and gradually, if it is in their path, change in attitude.'


Our guide has a philosophic bent. But perhaps others might find some comfort in these words.

[Jacqui D]

I understand Eggs feelings on this matter, i have never had a good experience with aliens, i get angry when i know that something has happened in the night.
Perhaps i should not feel this way because i am putting anger out but this is me this is how i cope with these things.

Perhaps they are our future selves i have pondered on this that could be possible i know and the way this world has been used, abused, killed it's fellow man that theory would make sense.

Until i have a possitive encounter i will continue to think this way.

[MyShadow]

Aliens often act in a mirror-like fashion to your thought-stream. As a suggestion, try shifting your focus away from this 'bad experience' chatter and perhaps think in your terms on how you might engage them more peacefully.

[David]

Originally Posted by MyShadow

Aliens often act in a mirror-like fashion to your thought-stream. As a suggestion, try shifting your focus away from this 'bad experience' chatter and perhaps think in your terms on how you might engage them more peacefully.

It's funny isn't it?

How we reveal our true selves in our dreams?

Our actions in these dreams, reveals a lot about a person, especially when you didn't even know you were being observed.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by David

It's funny isn't it?

How we reveal our true selves in our dreams?

Our actions in these dreams, reveals a lot about a person, especially when you didn't even know you were being observed.

Too sad indeed. The question is how to step out of yourself.

[MyShadow]

It's not that hard - for some just takes sifting thru all this awhile before they expand their focus to see a larger perspective.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by MyShadow

It's not that hard - for some just takes sifting thru all this awhile before they expand their focus to see a larger perspective.

And meanwhile I'm sifting away.

[MyShadow]

As you should! and it's part of why you came here into the material. You came to sift, play around with the contrast - and in doing so expand as an individual perspective, and contribute to the reality becoming.

[Luminari]

Dont talk about 'Aliens' when all you are really talking about are so called 'Gray's' and the abduction (ie: without consent) phenomena.

You make a foolish mistake to say that the majority of Extra-Terrestrial beings are anything other than loving and compassionate, and show your limited understanding by promoting separation.

There seem to be a lot more documented cases of negative encounters, especially with, but not exclusive to, the Greys. For example, in her interview with Camelot Miriam Delicado reported positive contact with the "Nordics", even though on her own site she mentions things that happened that seem much less benevolent. This then makes the rest of it seem less trustworthy.

The problem is that we don't have nearly enough reliable information to go on. According to some sources there are more than 50 races interacting with us, but all have done so secretly. Various explanations have been given for this but we still don't KNOW.

If anyone has positive encounter stories then please, share them! Help people expand their view to a larger perspective and get out of fear-based reactions. Don't blame people for being suspicious when all of these alien interactions have been happening in secret- we have huge amounts of experience of secret dealings among our own race, and how often have they turned out to be for the benefit of all? On top of that you have people like Blossom Goodchild and Commander Adama putting out dates for positive mass first contact that don't happen, muddying the waters even further.

None of it helps us to understand what's going on. Trust should be earned, not given blindly because we WANT to believe what we are told; actions will always speak louder than words.

[David]

I don't think the intentions of anyone here were to lambaste egg.

..,eh. forget it. No point continuing this conversation.

[Luminari]

Sorry to 'Lambast' you Egg

I was standing up for the good guys out there in the galaxy.

Don't ever focus on the few negative ones, you just give power to them.

There is a large amount of contactee literature that documents positive sevice-to-others human ETs.

I am still preparing myself to be of service. I have a way to go yet to purify my thoughts and actions to the point where an advanced lifeform would even want to be near me.
I don't have any fancy space travel or visitation stories to tell you yet steve. Like many people I have had a UFO sighting though.

You are right about the many deceptions with channeled information and predictions, it is hard to know who is the most correct or real.

I have sympathy for the MILAB victims and the grey hybridisation program participants.

I also want to lead people to awareness of the good forces that are watching over them with love. Which I know in my heart are present.

They don't like to intervene with another entitees free-will, so that is why we see alot less of them then maybe some of the other more manipulative races.

They know that we will not learn to live in peace until we choose it for ourselves.





This is one of many important contactee cases, but is well documented and inspirational:
http://video.google.com.au/videosear...on&hl=en&emb=1

view some photos from other worlds towards the end of this presentation;
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay...OPjMjGDA&hl=en

[Dantheman62]

If you guys are going to lambast some eggs here can I get mine with some diced ham, maybe a little cheese on top and some whole wheat toast with a glass of orange juice?

I apologise, "lambaste" (however it's spelt) was a poor choice of word. Sorry if I caused any offence to anyone, I'll go back and re-phrase.

It wasn't my intention to say that positive encounters don't happen, just to point out that the negative stories outweigh the positive. Alex Collier had very positive encounters for example, and I think there is a lot of truth in what he said.

I believe that there ARE positive races 'out there' and that some are interacting with us, albeit in limited ways. Unfortunately I also believe that there are some very negative groups that can and do come across as being very positive, but in fact have aims and objectives that will not benefit us in any way.

Bearing in mind the sheer magnitude of the deceptions that have been foisted on the human race by TPTB over the centuries, and that it's only recently that these are really coming to light, it isn't a surprise people find it difficult to believe that there are aliens who genuinely want only good things for us.

[futureyes]

Originally Posted by Steve_G

I apologise, "lambaste" (however it's spelt) was a poor choice of word. Sorry if I caused any offence to anyone, I'll go back and re-phrase.

It wasn't my intention to say that positive encounters don't happen, just to point out that the negative stories outweigh the positive. Alex Collier had very positive encounters for example, and I think there is a lot of truth in what he said.

I believe that there ARE positive races 'out there' and that some are interacting with us, albeit in limited ways. Unfortunately I also believe that there are some very negative groups that can and do come across as being very positive, but in fact have aims and objectives that will not benefit us in any way.

Bearing in mind the sheer magnitude of the deceptions that have been foisted on the human race by TPTB over the centuries, and that it's only recently that these are really coming to light, it isn't a surprise people find it difficult to believe that there are aliens who genuinely want only good things for us.

speaking only from experience ... there are the good ones and there are ones with agendas ... i've experienced both ...

i interact with et's frequently in my travels ... always a positive experience ... when i can "meet" with them of my own free will and intention ... i do so with ones who are positive ... the ones that are here to assist us ... don't have an agenda of their own accord ... these experiences are of benefit to their selves and to my self ... always do i feel oneness with them or i would not do so ...

having said that ... from my abduction experience ... that was a whole different thing ... NOT of my free will ... it wasn't pleasant and thankfully the process intervened or i know without a doubt ... i would not be the same if they progressed to their experiments with me ... this i am humbled and grateful for on a daily basis ... these et's were NOT the ones i interact with of the norm ... i most certainly wouldn't ...

good guys ... bad guys ...

if i can interact of my own free will ... this is positive ...
if i am TAKEN against my free will to where i have no clue where it is i am ... and cannot leave ... NO ... that is against the laws of the universe ...

has my abduction experience hardened me ... no ... made me aware ... most certainly ...

the others i still meet up with frequently ... all positive ... we are very much alike their kind and our kind ...

[Ashatav]

Originally Posted by Steve_G

I apologise, "lambaste" (however it's spelt) was a poor choice of word. Sorry if I caused any offence to anyone, I'll go back and re-phrase.

It wasn't my intention to say that positive encounters don't happen, just to point out that the negative stories outweigh the positive. Alex Collier had very positive encounters for example, and I think there is a lot of truth in what he said.

I believe that there ARE positive races 'out there' and that some are interacting with us, albeit in limited ways. Unfortunately I also believe that there are some very negative groups that can and do come across as being very positive, but in fact have aims and objectives that will not benefit us in any way.

Bearing in mind the sheer magnitude of the deceptions that have been foisted on the human race by TPTB over the centuries, and that it's only recently that these are really coming to light, it isn't a surprise people find it difficult to believe that there are aliens who genuinely want only good things for us.

I agree with this, the negative beings overwhelms the positive in cases of contact with humans to.

The whole new age (luciferianism) "angels and light beings" contactism, and a Lot of "good" aliens (spreading the same new age luciferianism) are the same old Bad aliens (previously called Deamons) scaming the inocent good people like wilcock and his RA (the sun, and that's the serpent, and that's lucifer, see why in the crowns of the pharaons there's a serpent? the serpent was in ancient times allways with the sun, and lucifer is the Day Star.. do you see, the only "day star" is... the sun!).

See the history of Carolyn Hamllet, the last illuminati occultist who defected the organization because... They are following a being who Scams them every time to make them do whatever he wants! And hiddes them from Jehoshua'ha Mechaich who is the "Father in the Flesh", the man who the Very primordial prophecies described as the "Killer of the Serpent"

PS: Did you know that's is the real origin of the zodiac? First it was the History of This Man who's destiny was to kill the serpent, then semiramis of Babilon steal the history to make it fits to her own son, tamus, to make the people think she and he where gods. (of course lieing as allways, like the not-spiritually intelligent people does). You know, Nimrod was dead so they wheren't gods At All, just scamers...

And founded the Mysteres religions. (The outsider don't know what the insider is doing).

Then, in the mysteries religions system, tamuz later become horus, and later, mytrhas and many encarnations and then the constantine (a mistery religion follower) fussed mytrhaism and christianity into the actual mystery religion's catholic system put Jesus in the place of tamuz, stealing it from His the right place, who is, like His name says "The Father in the Flesh" and the "Killer of the Serpent".

That's is the reason because you have a lot of "chosen ones" throught the ancient times, because semiramis steal (the idiots steal, you know?) the history of the "killer of the serpent" who the ancients know very well, created the mysteries and then those religions spreaded.

Of course, now we are being controled by those followers economically and with knoledge because if you look at Jonathan Gray's work you will realize that the History of mankind is Totally different as the history books teaches!

And they are controled by the being's they workship (you know, NWO isn't a bunch of rich brainless idiots, is a lot more than that) ... so... Let's free the humanity!



Waaagh! I get tired

Cheers!

[Orion11]

Originally Posted by Luminari

Dont talk about 'Aliens' when all you are really talking about are so called 'Gray's' and the abduction (ie: without consent) phenomena.

You make a foolish mistake to say that the majority of Extra-Terrestrial beings are anything other than loving and compassionate, and show your limited understanding by promoting separation.

well said brother.