Shhhh......

[Lorien]

The artist is portraying the sadness and irony in the fact that this mindset is what the majority of people believe. It is a satirical piece meant to show the absurdity of this reality, and not meant to "spread hate" or any such thing.

[Orion11]

thats fkd up
and one million percent unproductive.

might as well find one for every country whos ever blown anyone up.

quit hating
and spreading hate.
wtf man?

cr@p

[Lorien]

Wasn't meant to spread hate. The artist was portraying the sadness and irony in the fact that that mindset is what the majority of people believe. I thought that was obvious, though I guess I should have explained it more. It is a satirical piece meant to show the absurdity of this reality.

[Humble Janitor]

What I want to know is why the pro-Israel folks feel the need to constantly put on a charade at universities to defend themselves? They must obviously know that the Israel government is full of **** so they always have to defend themselves.

[Lorien]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

What I want to know is why the pro-Israel folks feel the need to constantly put on a charade at universities to defend themselves? They must obviously know that the Israel government is full of **** so they always have to defend themselves.

Thank you for seeing this for what it is Humble.

I am well aware of the fact we have to solve all these issues and spread love and understanding, but we can't solve problems without first understanding what they are and why they are present.

The reality is that there are many groups, and in some cases entire nations that are taught to think a certain way, like Israeli Extremists. No matter what they do to people they see no wrong in it. Hell, even here in the U.S. we(not me) watch our soldiers on the TV killing innocent Iraqi's and say it's all in the interest of spreading freedom.

What's worse is that most often these extremists are driven by the idea that their religion tells them they have this right and should do these things, which is never the case. They are spoon fed the information in a way that doctrinates them into a life of hate and violence, when the truth of the matter is that the core message of all beliefs is unconditional and godlike love for everyone and every thing.

[BROOK]

Seeing it for what is is....we here are all aware of the atrocities in this world...this forum was built for the purpose of overcoming such atrocities

So my question to you Lorien is....now that you've made us aware of what you feel ....what would your solution be? Do you have an idea how to overcome such sadness? Or is spreading the word of such sadness all you feel necessary?
Surly you must have an opinion on how to overcome something you feel so sure about...or should we just keep the chain going and keep name calling in the interest of bringing attention with no solution?

[BROOK]

In other words...would it not be better to be part of the solution
Then part of the problem

[Orion11]

[Dantheman62]

iiiit

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

iiiit

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

iiiit

Dantheman is back

[recallone]

In order to solve a problem, the problem must first be clearly defined. We cannot trust the media to clearly define the problems, because they're controlled by the very forces that have created the problems to begin with. And what's actually going on, is pretty far removed from what they're telling us is going on. This cartoon is merely an example. Anybody remember the whole Georgia-Russia situation? What the media version was versus what was REALLY going on? Our opinions are molded to fit in with the plan of controlling a sheep-like population. Sorry, but I've got to call 'em as I see 'em, and anyone that thinks our government is looking out for us is sorely mistaken. Anyone who thinks their god is going to save them is sorely mistaken. So long as we look for the answers and the solutions as things to be obtained outside of ourselves, we'll continue to flop around in a paradigm that's been designed to instill division. Even here, where someone offers a simple cartoon that more accurately portrays the true nature of the problem - in an attempt to convey the truth, the desire to divide comes into the mix with words of admonishment for not offering the solution. C'mon people.

This idea that anybody is going to present themselves as the one who has the answer is part of the mindset that's keeping us enslaved. No ONE has the answer, until that ONE realizes that we are ALL ONE. The solution lies within the truth that we're all connected. The things that prevent us from realizing that connection and the solutions are multi-faceted and pervasive in our society. We have a programmed need to identify everything as right or wrong, good or evil, etc. Is it possible to reserve such judgments? Is it possible to reign in our massive egos? I'd like to think it is. In fact, I know it is. I don't find fault with someone trying to offer a different perspective. In fact, I applaud them.

If you already knew about the information, perspective, whatever - is it necessary to throw stones because you already knew it? What's the motivation behind wagging your finger at someone? To announce your alleged superiority? Are these ego-inflating responses, or is there a higher connection that's to be won by labeling? These questions don't necessarily require answers, by the way - just consideration. Even where people want to pat themselves on the back for being so well informed and "on the path of enlightenment", per se - the same processes that are used in organized religion and other organizations of control and manipulation are being used here. The solution is inside of you, not waiting to be found outside of you. If you want peace, BE PEACE. Please, stop berating those who share information because they're not offering the magic-bullet-solution. None of you are until you stop dividing and start uniting.

I wish you all peace.

[BROOK]

Well said

Point taken

[BROOK]

Recallone...I might like to add..when this thread started...there were no comments ..just a picture.....the comments were added later.....to inform ...great...to instigate..much different.
Again..be the solution...or be the problem....
When posting a picture of that nature....even though we here can get it....there must be a point ...otherwise..it the same as big media flashing us... And we're suposed to just accept the picture without words.

[Lorien]

Originally Posted by recallone

In order to solve a problem, the problem must first be clearly defined. We cannot trust the media to clearly define the problems, because they're controlled by the very forces that have created the problems to begin with. And what's actually going on, is pretty far removed from what they're telling us is going on. This cartoon is merely an example. Anybody remember the whole Georgia-Russia situation? What the media version was versus what was REALLY going on? Our opinions are molded to fit in with the plan of controlling a sheep-like population. Sorry, but I've got to call 'em as I see 'em, and anyone that thinks our government is looking out for us is sorely mistaken. Anyone who thinks their god is going to save them is sorely mistaken. So long as we look for the answers and the solutions as things to be obtained outside of ourselves, we'll continue to flop around in a paradigm that's been designed to instill division. Even here, where someone offers a simple cartoon that more accurately portrays the true nature of the problem - in an attempt to convey the truth, the desire to divide comes into the mix with words of admonishment for not offering the solution. C'mon people.

This idea that anybody is going to present themselves as the one who has the answer is part of the mindset that's keeping us enslaved. No ONE has the answer, until that ONE realizes that we are ALL ONE. The solution lies within the truth that we're all connected. The things that prevent us from realizing that connection and the solutions are multi-faceted and pervasive in our society. We have a programmed need to identify everything as right or wrong, good or evil, etc. Is it possible to reserve such judgments? Is it possible to reign in our massive egos? I'd like to think it is. In fact, I know it is. I don't find fault with someone trying to offer a different perspective. In fact, I applaud them.

If you already knew about the information, perspective, whatever - is it necessary to throw stones because you already knew it? What's the motivation behind wagging your finger at someone? To announce your alleged superiority? Are these ego-inflating responses, or is there a higher connection that's to be won by labeling? These questions don't necessarily require answers, by the way - just consideration. Even where people want to pat themselves on the back for being so well informed and "on the path of enlightenment", per se - the same processes that are used in organized religion and other organizations of control and manipulation are being used here. The solution is inside of you, not waiting to be found outside of you. If you want peace, BE PEACE. Please, stop berating those who share information because they're not offering the magic-bullet-solution. None of you are until you stop dividing and start uniting.

I wish you all peace.

Thank you for this. And you added so much to its meaning and purpose that I honestly didn't have the time to when I posted it.

Originally Posted by BROOK

Recallone...I might like to add..when this thread started...there were no comments ..just a picture.....the comments were added later.....to inform ...great...to instigate..much different.

Point taken. To be honest it was late at night, and I was a tad drunk. Came across the picture and just didn't have the time to type up what I wanted. I put it up assuming it would start some intellectual discussion and I could further my point in the morning. Much to my surprise and dismay I found my self being attacked for spreading hate

[BROOK]

I know...it's too bad it turned out that way....the forum is ultra senstive right now...energies are through the roof...next time..remember...a point would be nice

[BROOK]

BTW...Lorien....We Know now that you did not intend to spread hate
Some of us here are so effected by the change in energy...that to see a picture of that nature...without a point...is like being stabbed in the heart We all want world peace...and human rights are of the utmost importance....
As Recallone said..we need to be the change


Orion11 has a heart of GOLD....and it struck him with a vengence.....but knowing
his nature...I'm sure he still loves you

[recallone]

Very true about the energy of late, Brook. I've been feeling it, seeing it in others, and trying my best to figure it out. I think the 'trying to figure it out' part is what's messing me up. Trying to figure it out is in a sense embracing the psychological time aspect of it instead of just honoring the NOW of it. It is what it is NOW, so be here now and roll with it, baby! My new mantra for the day, courtesy of Steve Winwood - roll with it, baby.

When I first read this thread and the responses, the first thing that came to mind was the thread about some British officer biting the head of a chicken or something (this was months ago, btw). Some people were really bent out of shape about it, but ultimately - who is in control of the way you feel? If something outside of you is influencing you to feel a certain way, are you still in control of your vibration or are you prey to your programming? And going even further with it, WHO put that programmed response in place and for WHAT reason? When you really start scrutinizing these details, it's hard not to acknowledge how deep the programming goes and how easy we're controlled by it. AND on so many different levels! Peeling away the layers of the onion....

Love and light, y'all.

[judykott]

Originally Posted by futureyes View Post
i understand where you're coming from lorien ...

and no ... situations cannot be solved until there is some understanding thereof ...

and yet ... this world seems to be wedged into this place of the neverending task of understanding ... so much energy has been placed into understanding the beast ... the dark ... the problems ...

rather than ... the seeking of the beauty ... the light ... the solutions ...

we have been trying to understand the beast ... sometimes ad nauseam
... and how is this working for us ... we have wedged our minds into its darkness ... how can anything be seen in darkness ...

i believe it is time to turn on the light ... our light ... the light of this world ...

I feel this is so valid and well said.


Quotes from REcallone


In order to solve a problem, the problem must first be clearly defined. We cannot trust the media to clearly define the problems, because they're controlled by the very forces that have created the problems to begin with. And what's actually going on, is pretty far removed from what they're telling us is going on. This cartoon is merely an example. Anybody remember the whole Georgia-Russia situation? What the media version was versus what was REALLY going on? Our opinions are molded to fit in with the plan of controlling a sheep-like population. Sorry, but I've got to call 'em as I see 'em, and anyone that thinks our government is looking out for us is sorely mistaken. Anyone who thinks their god is going to save them is sorely mistaken. So long as we look for the answers and the solutions as things to be obtained outside of ourselves, we'll continue to flop around in a paradigm that's been designed to instill division. Even here, where someone offers a simple cartoon that more accurately portrays the true nature of the problem - in an attempt to convey the truth, the desire to divide comes into the mix with words of admonishment for not offering the solution. C'mon people.

This idea that anybody is going to present themselves as the one who has the answer is part of the mindset that's keeping us enslaved. No ONE has the answer, until that ONE realizes that we are ALL ONE. The solution lies within the truth that we're all connected. The things that prevent us from realizing that connection and the solutions are multi-faceted and pervasive in our society. We have a programmed need to identify everything as right or wrong, good or evil, etc. Is it possible to reserve such judgments? Is it possible to reign in our massive egos? I'd like to think it is. In fact, I know it is. I don't find fault with someone trying to offer a different perspective. In fact, I applaud them.

If you already knew about the information, perspective, whatever - is it necessary to throw stones because you already knew it? What's the motivation behind wagging your finger at someone? To announce your alleged superiority? Are these ego-inflating responses, or is there a higher connection that's to be won by labeling? These questions don't necessarily require answers, by the way - just consideration. Even where people want to pat themselves on the back for being so well informed and "on the path of enlightenment", per se - the same processes that are used in organized religion and other organizations of control and manipulation are being used here. The solution is inside of you, not waiting to be found outside of you. If you want peace, BE PEACE. Please, stop berating those who share information because they're not offering the magic-bullet-solution. None of you are until you stop dividing and start uniting.

I wish you all peace.

I also agree with what is being said here. Thank you, you saved me a lot of typing. It seems as if one is wanting to go beyond duality one would not be always condemning someone for being "negative" that's still polarity. I want to allow for others to take the path they need to get to their truth, not mine. The path may have to take one through what would be deemed "negative"by some. All spiritual leaders I have read about have gone through a dark night of the soul and testing, so why would I not allow for each spark of the divine encased in a different human form the same respect and love. Often times for myself it has been the "darkness" that awakens me to the "light."

Fear may be not enough contrast for some and perhaps at times needs to go anger for one to realize and feel, ah. There have been times when an opportunity for growth presented itself and I did not get it. It presented itself in another form, I did not get it. Then it presented itself like a sledge hammer accompanied by some anger on my part, and I got it, yeah. So I allow other's ,out there who at times may learn the way of the sledge hammer.

My respect and love to all, for seeking and sharing your paths

[BROOK]

Well said Judy....now we are getting somewhere

I was thinking...wouldn't it be something if the whole world stopped what they were doing and just said...We are not going to take this anymore...ENOUGH....no more war.....no more hate...just a collective body of mankind standing in unity...against the rage of horror and atrocity....

We would be the change...and no one could stop us

[recallone]

Judykott, you touched on something that's HUGE. The polarity of it all.
You can't have good without evil. You can't have wrong without right. There are necessary opposites that illustrate the beauty (and tragedy) of this experience.

But you can't have a tug of war without the rope. Hmmmm.....
There's one to think about for a while. Could there be any more duality, polarity if we removed the contructs by which the ropes have been defined?

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by recallone

Judykott, you touched on something that's HUGE. The polarity of it all.
You can't have good without evil. You can't have wrong without right. There are necessary opposites that illustrate the beauty (and tragedy) of this experience.

But you can't have a tug of war without the rope. Hmmmm.....
There's one to think about for a while. Could there be any more duality, polarity if we removed the contructs by which the ropes have been defined?

Huge indeed...ying....yang....

Very ingenious.....constructs of the rope...hmmmm
You just made a good point

[Orion11]

thanks Brook,

and sorry if that felt like an attack on you Lorien,
that wasnt my intention at all...

more like a crude observation....

someone posts an image of pure sadness, and says nothing but

"thought some of you would enjoy this"

just struck me as odd .... .. and rather confusing.

that kind of imagery alone brings very very negative feelings unto people.

and then when yer told. " hey, thought you might enjoy this!"..

it gets the best of me. lol

so, apologies for the negative feelings.. ( see what negative imagery can do?) lol

to you.

[BROOK]

See Lorien....he has a heart of Gold

[Zeddo]

So we need solutions do we?

How would this do: Place all governments on notice that they are about to be without a job as indeed they are paid by we the people for doing a job and we now expect results. What results do we expect? Here is the first, that the vatican hands over ALL of its hidden and secret books and that all such books worldwide are placed in a safe centrally accessible place where copies are made and distributed world wide, that the top scholars (scientists etc) from all countries are given the task to go through this literature and decipher their meaning and every day, the new findings would be posted on huge screens in all the cities and towns of the world. Scientists will be given all of the data that is currently hidden from the masses and made to work on what we know exists, that is anti-gravity, over-unity etc. These people will also publish their results on a daily/weekly basis showing us what we can expect.

Money is abolished forthwith. We all use our skills coupled with the new technology as stated above to maintain equilibrium of the needs for the comfortable survival for all humanity, designing machines to take over menial mind numbing labour whilst we look at re-vegetating our planet and start to clean it up. Without money there will be no crime.
We demand peace IMMEDIATELY and the trillions of dollars (dollars being the code used for "money per say") are put into these new projects. Desalination plants are built with this money where deserts will be watered and countries like Ethiopia etc can be watered, seeded and turned into food baskets.
We demand an IMMEDIATE end to pharma and its manipulation of health care, and all people are given the opportunity to be healthy. We develop cures instead of treatment and it be free to everyone.

We have small electric vehicles which will run of available over-unity technology and these will be free to all.
All of this is possible and it could start in 1 day if we as humanity decided to stand together as 1 and force the evil out into the light of day where they had to account for their actions.
However, what do we do, me included, is to sit here behind our screens and type frivolous cr*p, for the most part, and tear each other down.

For heaven’s sake, there are billions of us against probably hundreds of thousands of them who control us. Love, peace and forgiveness is surely stronger than hatred and manipulation?

The answer is that simple. We parade for peace and life, EN MASSE, ALL TOGETHER.

I know, I am just another psycho in the land of many, but I dare to have a dream............

Zedd