Knowing and freedom

BROOK · 08-05-2009, 09:47 PM

After reading the last couple of days, I decided to rejoin for a time to sort some things that have been bothering me.

When I left it was due to the fact that separation was of key importance and starting radiant zones was in the making...and being Advertised. Not a good idea....in my opinion.

The Welcome to Avalon home page:

Our goals:
• To provide important information and resources to enable individuals and communities to function optimally in what may be troubled times ahead.

• To support aware individuals in networking and forming groups as they wish.

Our philosophy:

• As stated by George Green in the Project Camelot interview Messages for the Ground Crew, there exist individuals and groups, all over the world, who have an important responsibility and role to play in the preservation of civilization regardless which scenarios may play out.

• These possible scenarios - which include planned financial collapse, war, and population reduction by covert means - can be prevented and changed by the united intention of many concerned individuals. Many of us are working to prepare and awaken others. We know that our efforts to create a new tomorrow will not be in vain. We acknowledge the Ground Crew all over the globe - including (we are confident) ethical and principled individuals within military and intelligence circles worldwide.

• We believe it's prudent to make contingency plans. This site is created to help you do that.

Setting goals for contingency plans is not a bad thing....however I had a huge problem with taking the energy you possess to a centralized spot to isolate from the world.

In the last couple of weeks there have been many here upset by the goals of the PTB....Whistleblowers , informers, people in the knowing....who are these people you are all fighting about?

They are nothing different then you or I..they are humans, seeking TRUTH and KNOWING.

We are all here searching for truth and knowing...but the most important thing you need to realize is you already have the truth.

It's embedded within every cell of our body....all you need to do is tap into it..what is preventing you from tapping into it....it this...

EGO

The ego driven by fear, self imposed lies, and blind acceptance.

Why do you need anyone to tell you what you already KNOW?
It's in you..and very soon ..you will have the ability to freely tap into it....that is what TPTB are afraid of right now.
They would love to see you all run to radiant zones and separate your self to throw the energy of that knowing off from the grid.

I kept asking myself why I was so drawn to Southern California?..I have always know it's been said that it's going to fall into the ocean..so why am I drawn here?

I'm here to keep the energy stable..along with many others here, and many who are not even aware they're doing just that.

So hopefully it will not be the complete end, and just a major rebuild. And when that happens...as I've seen in my dreams...I will be there ...Am I running to a safe zone? No..I'm staying right here with my community.

I've seen bright minds leave here..who I have cherished every word of..I have seen threads calling out BS on paid for whistleblowers, who speak as if they already know...
Do they really know?
Do you all really know?
Do I really know?

My ego fights a battle with me every day...and so does yours..it's something you cannot run from. It's always there. As long as you are in this 3D existence...you will have to deal with it...getting it under control by KNOWING is the KEY!

Are you going to go off the words of other ego driven ones that tell their truth? Or are you going to search your own truth...it's up to you what you let your ego take control of.

You all want freedom......

Ahhhh FREEDOM!

Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

In his book Nobody’s Victim, Christopher J. McCullough explains, "In order to live your freedom, you must first accept reality. ‘These are the choices, and given those choices, which do I choose?’ Whether the option you select is pleasant or painful does not alter the fact that, given reality, this is your preference.
"To live your freedom, it is helpful to stop and ask yourself, ‘Why am I doing this?’ and then notice whether, given the options, you are choosing what you really want, or whether you want to choose something else.... Sometimes the exercise of freedom involves naming your poison -- all choices may lead to outcomes that are in some way painful. But the real pain is that of feeling powerless -- denying your freedom."

"Freedom is man's capacity to take a hand in his own development. It is our capacity to mold ourselves."
-- Dr. Rollo May

Some of the greatest prophets have told you ..you have nothing to fear but fear itself.

another said, Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind

don't let the blind lead your truth...when you meditate..do only one thing..meditate on one thing alone.....KNOWING...it's within you

Bless you all
Brook

tone3jaguar · 08-05-2009, 10:46 PM

I agree, the actual meaning of ego is who you believe you are in this world. This guy has an ego, that guy has an ego? I think a while back people started confusing the words arrogance and ego and somehow ego got tagged as an appropriate adjective to describe arrogant people.

Am I arrogant? Depends on what side of the desk you are sitting on. If the observer of my style of communication does not agree with the message then the perception is that I am arrogant. However, if the observer agrees with the message then the perception is that I am valiant.

Do I spend any significant time worrying about which way the perceptions are going? No I do not. I learned a long time ago that focusing on how one is being judged by others is a complete waste of time and muddies the waters of intuition.

People should say what ever they feel they need to say. If it ruffles feathers than so be it. No one ever changed anything for the better by playing it safe and walking on egg shells all of the time.

burgundia · 08-06-2009, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

I agree, the actual meaning of ego is who you believe you are in this world. This guy has an ego, that guy has an ego? I think a while back people started confusing the words arrogance and ego and somehow ego got tagged as an appropriate adjective to describe arrogant people.

Am I arrogant? Depends on what side of the desk you are sitting on. If the observer of my style of communication does not agree with the message then the perception is that I am arrogant. However, if the observer agrees with the message then the perception is that I am valiant.

Do I spend any significant time worrying about which way the perceptions are going? No I do not. I learned a long time ago that focusing on how one is being judged by others is a complete waste of time and muddies the waters of intuition.

People should say what ever they feel they need to say. If it ruffles feathers than so be it. No one ever changed anything for the better by playing it safe and walking on egg shells all of the time.

BROOK · 08-06-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

I agree, the actual meaning of ego is who you believe you are in this world. This guy has an ego, that guy has an ego? I think a while back people started confusing the words arrogance and ego and somehow ego got tagged as an appropriate adjective to describe arrogant people.

Am I arrogant? Depends on what side of the desk you are sitting on. If the observer of my style of communication does not agree with the message then the perception is that I am arrogant. However, if the observer agrees with the message then the perception is that I am valiant.

Do I spend any significant time worrying about which way the perceptions are going? No I do not. I learned a long time ago that focusing on how one is being judged by others is a complete waste of time and muddies the waters of intuition.

People should say what ever they feel they need to say. If it ruffles feathers than so be it. No one ever changed anything for the better by playing it safe and walking on egg shells all of the time.

With all due respect Tone...and I mean nothing harmful here..that is the ego talking.

Only the ego would be concerned with the idea of something being Valiant or Arrogant.

Only the ego would be concerned with perceptions.

Everyone should be able to voice their opinion. The concern lies in where it is coming from...is it being driven by the ego..or the true self.
Is it coming from a place of anger or fear? if it is, then my guess is it's coming from the ego.

By no means do I put myself above my own ego, as it has lashed out in anger before...I battle with it every day...the trouble lies in the Truth and Kowing within us...is that what we are conveying...or are we being driven by ego?

Here is an article on
Ego - The False Center

http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm

It's very well written, and there are many others to check out. We could all use a good ego check..I admit I can

BROOK · 08-06-2009, 08:44 PM

Well..it's been nice to be back for this brief period...I have many things to do..one of them is going under the knife tomorrow..for a useless surgery..my doctors claim I need. However with all the healing energies sent my way by all of you..I really don't need this....and people at work are asking me where I'm getting all of this energy .

I just roll my eyes and say...from the Gods above...they are you...you are all Gods...part of the whole..and you sent me reeling with energy. To this day I'm still going strong.
When they put me out tomorrow....and I go under anaesthesia...I'm going to keep in my head one thing....."I know"
Don't know if it will work..but it's what I plan on doing

Bless you all again
Brook

rhythm · 08-06-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BROOK

Well..it's been nice to be back for this brief period...I have many things to do..one of them is going under the knife tomorrow..for a useless surgery..my doctors claim I need. However with all the healing energies sent my way by all of you..I really don't need this....and people at work are asking me where I'm getting all of this energy .

I just roll my eyes and say...from the Gods above...they are you...you are all Gods...part of the whole..and you sent me reeling with energy. To this day I'm still going strong.
When they put me out tomorrow....and I go under anaesthesia...I'm going to keep in my head one thing....."I know"
Don't know if it will work..but it's what I plan on doing

Bless you all again
Brook

All be well with you dear Brook

please let us have your news as and when you can
may as well have it removed ... it has no life left in it enyway right !!!
healing love to you ... rhythmmm ..

tone3jaguar · 08-06-2009, 09:58 PM

What ever (referring to the view on ego, not your medical sugery)

tone3jaguar · 08-06-2009, 10:08 PM

We can not escape who we chose to be before we incarnated into this reality. We chose our "egos" before we where even born. This new age fluffy idea of giving up your personal identity because that is what has been deemed most acceptable by gurus is not something that I am willing to accept into my paradigm. If that is my big fat ego talking then so be it. It is really no different than someone pointing at another and saying "ego ego ego". The act of observing an individual having an "ego" is an act of the "ego". It is not escapable in this reality. As long as the individual is not being dishonest with them selves then they are on the right track. I will give up my version of who I am in this world the day I die and not a day sooner because it enables me to function and have focus.

14 Chakras · 08-06-2009, 11:41 PM

Brook, I like where you're going with this thread. I think you are getting to the heart of the issue. Keep up the great work! And know in your heart that tomorrow is going to go just fine for you! I do.

14 Chakras · 08-07-2009, 12:03 AM

Tone,

I think I get where you're coming from.

The ego is a tricky subject and a tricky devil you might say. It's difficult to talk about it, especially when pointing out someone else's ego, without it appearing we're coming from our own egos.

That being said, I personally see the strongest value in a community of those seeking higher truth, is to help each other overcome our own stuff. The main way we do that is by acting as mirrors for each other, we mirror back whatever illusions we have in our own energy fields, and then we have to deal with that.

Sometimes we do it by pointing out what appears to be coming from ego, personally I like that approach, but it's not easy to do it without our own egos getting in the way.. that's part of the adventure of overcoming the illusatory self so we can be reborn into our true divine identity that is a unique and beautiful individualization of the infinite consciousness.

I do indeed believe in life and light beyond duality and beyond the human ego and that is my personal path, to go all the way and demonstrate that life once I'm there and help others do the same.

As you said, your ego is who you think you are in this world. I believe our limited self view is the entire problem with this world in the first place. We believe we're something much less than we really are and by our own illusions of separation, we separate ourselves from the divine loving intelligence, and power, wisdom and love that is within us. The ego are the illusions separating us from who we really are, and we are much more than piddly human beings, or even advanced magis or something.

We each have a unique God flame and we're individualization's of God itSelf, here to express itSelf in the world of form. All the plots, plans and conspiracies of dark forces and alien technologies stand no chance against the body of God, which is us when we've surrendered the ego.

Jesus and Gautama demonstrated this path. Eckhart Tolle is teaching this path. And yes, I believe it is the Way to freedom that Jesus spoke of. The truth, is that we are more than the ego, and when we surrender our bowl of porridge (ego), we'll earn our crown, our divine birthright as Sons and daughters of the infinite. The dark forces will melt away when the light is shined upon them and a much better age will be made manifest, through us!

dolphin · 08-07-2009, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

We can not escape who we chose to be before we incarnated into this reality. We chose our "egos" before we where even born. This new age fluffy idea of giving up your personal identity because that is what has been deemed most acceptable by gurus is not something that I am willing to accept into my paradigm. If that is my big fat ego talking then so be it. It is really no different than someone pointing at another and saying "ego ego ego". The act of observing an individual having an "ego" is an act of the "ego". It is not escapable in this reality. As long as the individual is not being dishonest with them selves then they are on the right track. I will give up my version of who I am in this world the day I die and not a day sooner because it enables me to function and have focus.

tone3jaguar, i would have to agree... and by the way i like my ego. i don't want to be like everyone else. sitting on a mountaintop as a monk meditating all day, to me is not having much ego and doesn't sound like too much fun. i think we're here to explore our egos, the good, the bad, the ugly and inbetween. how else does the soul learn? we have oversouls and higher selves, and our egos.

everyone has their indivdual journey... as well as having everyone's own "truth"... truth is whatever perspective you perceive it to be.

some of this new age bit is overdone. don't you see, they want you to surrender you... your ego.

i'm an individual made of the whole (the creator)... and i am both me and creation itself.

mudra · 08-07-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dolphin

i'm an individual made of the whole (the creator)... and i am both me and creation itself.

good point

loving kindness
mudra

mudra · 08-07-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

The act of observing an individual having an "ego" is an act of the "ego". .. As long as the individual is not being dishonest with them selves then they are on the right track. I will give up my version of who I am in this world the day I die and not a day sooner because it enables me to function and have focus.

Good point too Tone.
I like your honesty about it .

Loving kindness
mudra

rhythm · 08-07-2009, 10:37 AM

she watches things as they come and go

the nature of things is to come and go

with or without her permission

so why not enjoy the show

its all so beautifull..

without something , what fun it is to be nothing ...
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love the world as yourself
then you can care for all things ..
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resistence to the what is

will be suffering .....

mudra · 08-07-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rhythm

she watches things as they come and go

the nature of things is to come and go

with or without her permission

so why not enjoy the show

its all so beautifull..

without something , what fun it is to be nothing ...
***********************
love the world as yourself
then you can care for all things ..
**************************

resistence to the what is

will be suffering .....

You put it so beautifully dear

loving kindness
mudra

mudra · 08-07-2009, 11:47 AM

I think there is nothing wrong in every one holding a truth of their own .
No matter where that truth comes from . I see it as an opportunity
to learn from it . It's all a matter of how you take it .
Knowing that one does'nt know is the humble way to take things .
This allows knowing to change and evolve.
Life is a game and nothing is so serious as to be defended or rejected with tooth and claws.
Within love you can find unity always and within challenge a dynamic to put understanding to.
Go with the flow .. embrace what comes with a smile .
And know that on this plane there will always be dichotomies .
This is what makes it interesting and fertile soil to grow and outgrow until one can encompass all that is.

Loving kindness
mudra

BROOK · 08-07-2009, 08:44 PM

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just my 2cents (ego, tisk tisk)...i posted this on your other thread but would like to reiterate.

(btw, brook, you seem to preach alot, and that makes me a bit queasy. yes, i do believe meditation is a wonderful way to be. but posting a picture of you doing it, seems to me like your "ego" getting in the way).

tone3jaguar, i would have to agree... and by the way i like my ego. i don't want to be like everyone else. sitting on a mountaintop as a monk meditating all day, to me is not having much ego and doesn't sound like too much fun. i think we're here to explore our egos, the good, the bad, the ugly and inbetween. how else does the soul learn? we have oversouls and higher selves, and our egos.

everyone has their indivdual journey... as well as having everyone's own "truth"... truth is whatever perspective you perceive it to be. some of this new age bit is overdone. don't you see, they want you to surrender you... your ego.

i'm an individual made of the whole (the creator)... and i am both me and creation itself.

I do not advocate losing your ego..as we all need it for one very important thing right now in this 3D existence...that reason is:

Before we can love anybody or anything else..we must first love ourselves..for that we need ego.

I am however very concerned at the manipulation of the powers that be..because they have only one power over us.....OUR EGO...and that being said..as I said before...be careful not to be manipulated by your ego from the very thing that tries to control you....you are much more then your ego.

Dolphin...
Yes I do have an ego....but that picture is not of me..I only wish it was..I am a 55 year old woman...the picture was to represent the "heart center" in the sky above the young woman meditating...take another look at it...there is a heart in the sky...quite a lovely picture..but not me unfortunately.

I think 14Chakras said exactly what I was trying to convey in the other thread..I only hope she shares it here...and it's not been more then half an hour ago that I got out of surgery..so I must get some sleep now...I just want you to know I was not trying to in any way say lose your ego..just don't let it be manipulated, by so called whistleblowers, and the powers that be..they play on your ego every time....that is their only power over you.
Am I preaching? Sorry...it's a passion for me to convey my concerns

14 Chakras · 08-08-2009, 12:10 AM

To love yourself, you must simply know your Self.

Your true Self is made of unconditional love. It pours out of you, around you, you are that love, and the power and wisdom behind it.

Your human ego is what blocks the love from your true Self. It seeks love outside of itself, and therefore, will never find true unconditional love for itself, or for others. Because unconditional love can only come from within.

Unconditional love comes from beyond the human ego, it comes from the sun of your Being.

Expose the illusions of the human Ego and you are Love made manifest.

BROOK · 08-08-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

To love yourself, you must simply know your Self.

Your true Self is made of unconditional love. It pours out of you, around you, you are that love, and the power and wisdom behind it.

Your human ego is what blocks the love from your true Self. It seeks love outside of itself, and therefore, will never find true unconditional love for itself, or for others. Because unconditional love can only come from within.

Unconditional love comes from beyond the human ego, it comes from the sun of your Being.

Expose the illusions of the human Ego and you are Love made manifest.

Wonderfully said!

BROOK · 08-08-2009, 12:30 AM

Knowing

You have the ability to know everything there is to know.
That is what your brain was designed For, so that spirit
living on a physical plane in a physical body could
experience and understand whatever dimension of spirit
he desired, seen through three-dimensional forms.

Why is knowledge important? It is your grandest treasure,
for when all else has been taken from you, what has not been
taken from you and never can be is the knowledge that gives you
the ability to create again. When you have knowledge, you have
freedom; you have options. When you have knowledge, you can
build kingdoms unlimited. When you have knowledge, there is
nothing to fear, for then there is no thing, no element, no
principality, no understanding that can ever threaten or enslave
or intimidate you. When fear is given knowledge, it is called
enlightenment.

Knowledge allows your mind to reason and contemplate
beyond what you already know. It permits you to see further into
the knowingness of all things that are and to grow in your capacity
to receive even greater knowledge. Knowledge urges you to expand
yourself, to seek an ever-broadening identity, to become. In that,
it takes you from the boundaries of a limited life into a more
unlimited expanse. Through knowledge and the adventure into
learning, you become heightened in simplicity, and in that
simplicity will you find peace in being and the joy of life.

From The White Book
Ramtha

mudra · 08-08-2009, 12:17 AM

To See

To see, to really see,
you must take off your head
and put it well aside, friends.

Open the eyes of your heart instead.
Open the ears of your soul
and ride on the river of light
that glows along: a constant caterpillar
leading you back home
to where you came from and have forgotten.

Your eyes see not into the nature of things.
They see the diver, but not the dive,
they see the winding smoke, but not the fire burning inside,
they see only the road before them, and not the moon sailing beside.
Rather you gouge them out than stay blind
to true vision which resides only in the chest,
beating, and pounding.
Why do you think the heart beats?
To call your attention, so wandering,
back to it.

Come home then, come home.
You can ride the big stream of heart.

Let the spirit rise out of you like steam,
like a snake uncoling, like a dreamer stepping into the dream.
The flowers are watered then with your tears,
the wounds are healed with your lips,
and pain is found out in everyones' hearts
and purged away to the lake, the sea, the ocean,
where it drowns in the cleansing waters.

Wash your ego from your self,
and step out of your skin
which is battle-worn and bruised from abuse.
Come swim in the golden waters of this pond,
naked, wearing only your spirit.

It's warm here like luminous oil massaging you.
There are morning doves and orchids at night
and in the day, there is rest and the stars.

The trees sing you lullabies
in harmony with the breeze
and the moon sometimes eclipses the sun.
You always have playmates--
ones who cry and laugh at once,
reveling in the irony, the paradox of the universe.
They work to stop suffering,
but their pain and their joy become one here
--pain a vine winding around the tree of joy,
and all explode together in green
where branches touch the sky.

We are one in the heart..we are two in the mind

Loving kindness
mudra

BROOK · 08-08-2009, 12:31 AM

Lovely poem Mudra!

mudra · 08-08-2009, 12:47 AM

Loving kindness
mudra

BROOK · 08-08-2009, 12:54 AM

The Altered Ego

Now what is the altered ego? It is the understanding gained
from the human experience that is stored in the soul and
articulated through the reasoning portions of the brain. It is
the collective attitudes of man living merely as a surviving
creature, living in the shadow of social consciousness. And that
collective view will refuse to accept any thought frequency that
does not fit within its security, that does not help to insure the
survival of the entity. The altered ego is the refusal to allow all
thoughts to be received and entertained for a greater realization
within the embodiment.

Ramtha

BROOK · 08-08-2009, 12:59 AM

Freedom in Knowing

You have the ability to know everything there is to know.
That is what your brain was designed for, so that a spirit living on
a physical plane in a physical body could experience and
understand whatever dimension of spirit he desired, seen through
three-dimensional forms. Whatever thoughts you allow yourself
to know through your wonderful receiver will become an
experienced reality, seen first within your embodiment and then
through the conditions of your life. And whatever you desire,
you have the ability - through knowing - to manifest into your
life in the twinkling of an eye. That is how you create the kingdom
of heaven on Earth.

Ramtha

08-05-2009, 09:47 PM	#1
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Knowing and freedom After reading the last couple of days, I decided to rejoin for a time to sort some things that have been bothering me. When I left it was due to the fact that separation was of key importance and starting radiant zones was in the making...and being Advertised. Not a good idea....in my opinion. The Welcome to Avalon home page: Our goals: • To provide important information and resources to enable individuals and communities to function optimally in what may be troubled times ahead. • To support aware individuals in networking and forming groups as they wish. Our philosophy: • As stated by George Green in the Project Camelot interview Messages for the Ground Crew, there exist individuals and groups, all over the world, who have an important responsibility and role to play in the preservation of civilization regardless which scenarios may play out. • These possible scenarios - which include planned financial collapse, war, and population reduction by covert means - can be prevented and changed by the united intention of many concerned individuals. Many of us are working to prepare and awaken others. We know that our efforts to create a new tomorrow will not be in vain. We acknowledge the Ground Crew all over the globe - including (we are confident) ethical and principled individuals within military and intelligence circles worldwide. • We believe it's prudent to make contingency plans. This site is created to help you do that. Setting goals for contingency plans is not a bad thing....however I had a huge problem with taking the energy you possess to a centralized spot to isolate from the world. In the last couple of weeks there have been many here upset by the goals of the PTB....Whistleblowers , informers, people in the knowing....who are these people you are all fighting about? They are nothing different then you or I..they are humans, seeking TRUTH and KNOWING. We are all here searching for truth and knowing...but the most important thing you need to realize is you already have the truth. It's embedded within every cell of our body....all you need to do is tap into it..what is preventing you from tapping into it....it this... EGO The ego driven by fear, self imposed lies, and blind acceptance. Why do you need anyone to tell you what you already KNOW? It's in you..and very soon ..you will have the ability to freely tap into it....that is what TPTB are afraid of right now. They would love to see you all run to radiant zones and separate your self to throw the energy of that knowing off from the grid. I kept asking myself why I was so drawn to Southern California?..I have always know it's been said that it's going to fall into the ocean..so why am I drawn here? I'm here to keep the energy stable..along with many others here, and many who are not even aware they're doing just that. So hopefully it will not be the complete end, and just a major rebuild. And when that happens...as I've seen in my dreams...I will be there ...Am I running to a safe zone? No..I'm staying right here with my community. I've seen bright minds leave here..who I have cherished every word of..I have seen threads calling out BS on paid for whistleblowers, who speak as if they already know... Do they really know? Do you all really know? Do I really know? My ego fights a battle with me every day...and so does yours..it's something you cannot run from. It's always there. As long as you are in this 3D existence...you will have to deal with it...getting it under control by KNOWING is the KEY! Are you going to go off the words of other ego driven ones that tell their truth? Or are you going to search your own truth...it's up to you what you let your ego take control of. You all want freedom...... Ahhhh FREEDOM! Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud In his book Nobody’s Victim, Christopher J. McCullough explains, "In order to live your freedom, you must first accept reality. ‘These are the choices, and given those choices, which do I choose?’ Whether the option you select is pleasant or painful does not alter the fact that, given reality, this is your preference. "To live your freedom, it is helpful to stop and ask yourself, ‘Why am I doing this?’ and then notice whether, given the options, you are choosing what you really want, or whether you want to choose something else.... Sometimes the exercise of freedom involves naming your poison -- all choices may lead to outcomes that are in some way painful. But the real pain is that of feeling powerless -- denying your freedom." "Freedom is man's capacity to take a hand in his own development. It is our capacity to mold ourselves." -- Dr. Rollo May Some of the greatest prophets have told you ..you have nothing to fear but fear itself. another said, Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind don't let the blind lead your truth...when you meditate..do only one thing..meditate on one thing alone.....KNOWING...it's within you Bless you all Brook Last edited by BROOK; 08-22-2009 at 04:55 PM.

08-05-2009, 10:46 PM	#2
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: Knowing and freedom I agree, the actual meaning of ego is who you believe you are in this world. This guy has an ego, that guy has an ego? I think a while back people started confusing the words arrogance and ego and somehow ego got tagged as an appropriate adjective to describe arrogant people. Am I arrogant? Depends on what side of the desk you are sitting on. If the observer of my style of communication does not agree with the message then the perception is that I am arrogant. However, if the observer agrees with the message then the perception is that I am valiant. Do I spend any significant time worrying about which way the perceptions are going? No I do not. I learned a long time ago that focusing on how one is being judged by others is a complete waste of time and muddies the waters of intuition. People should say what ever they feel they need to say. If it ruffles feathers than so be it. No one ever changed anything for the better by playing it safe and walking on egg shells all of the time.

08-06-2009, 08:44 PM	#5
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: Knowing and freedom Well..it's been nice to be back for this brief period...I have many things to do..one of them is going under the knife tomorrow..for a useless surgery..my doctors claim I need. However with all the healing energies sent my way by all of you..I really don't need this....and people at work are asking me where I'm getting all of this energy . I just roll my eyes and say...from the Gods above...they are you...you are all Gods...part of the whole..and you sent me reeling with energy. To this day I'm still going strong. When they put me out tomorrow....and I go under anaesthesia...I'm going to keep in my head one thing....."I know" Don't know if it will work..but it's what I plan on doing Bless you all again Brook

08-06-2009, 09:58 PM	#7
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: Knowing and freedom What ever (referring to the view on ego, not your medical sugery) Last edited by tone3jaguar; 08-06-2009 at 10:20 PM.

08-06-2009, 10:08 PM	#8
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: Knowing and freedom We can not escape who we chose to be before we incarnated into this reality. We chose our "egos" before we where even born. This new age fluffy idea of giving up your personal identity because that is what has been deemed most acceptable by gurus is not something that I am willing to accept into my paradigm. If that is my big fat ego talking then so be it. It is really no different than someone pointing at another and saying "ego ego ego". The act of observing an individual having an "ego" is an act of the "ego". It is not escapable in this reality. As long as the individual is not being dishonest with them selves then they are on the right track. I will give up my version of who I am in this world the day I die and not a day sooner because it enables me to function and have focus.

08-06-2009, 11:41 PM	#9
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Knowing and freedom Brook, I like where you're going with this thread. I think you are getting to the heart of the issue. Keep up the great work! And know in your heart that tomorrow is going to go just fine for you! I do.

08-07-2009, 12:03 AM	#10
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Knowing and freedom Tone, I think I get where you're coming from. The ego is a tricky subject and a tricky devil you might say. It's difficult to talk about it, especially when pointing out someone else's ego, without it appearing we're coming from our own egos. That being said, I personally see the strongest value in a community of those seeking higher truth, is to help each other overcome our own stuff. The main way we do that is by acting as mirrors for each other, we mirror back whatever illusions we have in our own energy fields, and then we have to deal with that. Sometimes we do it by pointing out what appears to be coming from ego, personally I like that approach, but it's not easy to do it without our own egos getting in the way.. that's part of the adventure of overcoming the illusatory self so we can be reborn into our true divine identity that is a unique and beautiful individualization of the infinite consciousness. I do indeed believe in life and light beyond duality and beyond the human ego and that is my personal path, to go all the way and demonstrate that life once I'm there and help others do the same. As you said, your ego is who you think you are in this world. I believe our limited self view is the entire problem with this world in the first place. We believe we're something much less than we really are and by our own illusions of separation, we separate ourselves from the divine loving intelligence, and power, wisdom and love that is within us. The ego are the illusions separating us from who we really are, and we are much more than piddly human beings, or even advanced magis or something. We each have a unique God flame and we're individualization's of God itSelf, here to express itSelf in the world of form. All the plots, plans and conspiracies of dark forces and alien technologies stand no chance against the body of God, which is us when we've surrendered the ego. Jesus and Gautama demonstrated this path. Eckhart Tolle is teaching this path. And yes, I believe it is the Way to freedom that Jesus spoke of. The truth, is that we are more than the ego, and when we surrender our bowl of porridge (ego), we'll earn our crown, our divine birthright as Sons and daughters of the infinite. The dark forces will melt away when the light is shined upon them and a much better age will be made manifest, through us! Last edited by 14 Chakras; 08-07-2009 at 02:04 AM.

08-07-2009, 10:37 AM	#14
rhythm Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: devon england Posts: 1,905	Re: Knowing and freedom she watches things as they come and go the nature of things is to come and go with or without her permission so why not enjoy the show its all so beautifull.. without something , what fun it is to be nothing ... ********************* love the world as yourself then you can care for all things .. ************************ resistence to the what is will be suffering .....

08-07-2009, 11:47 AM	#16
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: Knowing and freedom I think there is nothing wrong in every one holding a truth of their own . No matter where that truth comes from . I see it as an opportunity to learn from it . It's all a matter of how you take it . Knowing that one does'nt know is the humble way to take things . This allows knowing to change and evolve. Life is a game and nothing is so serious as to be defended or rejected with tooth and claws. Within love you can find unity always and within challenge a dynamic to put understanding to. Go with the flow .. embrace what comes with a smile . And know that on this plane there will always be dichotomies . This is what makes it interesting and fertile soil to grow and outgrow until one can encompass all that is. Loving kindness mudra Last edited by mudra; 08-07-2009 at 07:58 PM.

08-08-2009, 12:10 AM	#18
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Knowing and freedom To love yourself, you must simply know your Self. Your true Self is made of unconditional love. It pours out of you, around you, you are that love, and the power and wisdom behind it. Your human ego is what blocks the love from your true Self. It seeks love outside of itself, and therefore, will never find true unconditional love for itself, or for others. Because unconditional love can only come from within. Unconditional love comes from beyond the human ego, it comes from the sun of your Being. Expose the illusions of the human Ego and you are Love made manifest.

08-08-2009, 12:30 AM	#20
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: Knowing and freedom Knowing You have the ability to know everything there is to know. That is what your brain was designed For, so that spirit living on a physical plane in a physical body could experience and understand whatever dimension of spirit he desired, seen through three-dimensional forms. Why is knowledge important? It is your grandest treasure, for when all else has been taken from you, what has not been taken from you and never can be is the knowledge that gives you the ability to create again. When you have knowledge, you have freedom; you have options. When you have knowledge, you can build kingdoms unlimited. When you have knowledge, there is nothing to fear, for then there is no thing, no element, no principality, no understanding that can ever threaten or enslave or intimidate you. When fear is given knowledge, it is called enlightenment. Knowledge allows your mind to reason and contemplate beyond what you already know. It permits you to see further into the knowingness of all things that are and to grow in your capacity to receive even greater knowledge. Knowledge urges you to expand yourself, to seek an ever-broadening identity, to become. In that, it takes you from the boundaries of a limited life into a more unlimited expanse. Through knowledge and the adventure into learning, you become heightened in simplicity, and in that simplicity will you find peace in being and the joy of life. From The White Book Ramtha Last edited by BROOK; 08-08-2009 at 12:37 AM.

08-08-2009, 12:17 AM	#21
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: Knowing and freedom To See To see, to really see, you must take off your head and put it well aside, friends. Open the eyes of your heart instead. Open the ears of your soul and ride on the river of light that glows along: a constant caterpillar leading you back home to where you came from and have forgotten. Your eyes see not into the nature of things. They see the diver, but not the dive, they see the winding smoke, but not the fire burning inside, they see only the road before them, and not the moon sailing beside. Rather you gouge them out than stay blind to true vision which resides only in the chest, beating, and pounding. Why do you think the heart beats? To call your attention, so wandering, back to it. Come home then, come home. You can ride the big stream of heart. Let the spirit rise out of you like steam, like a snake uncoling, like a dreamer stepping into the dream. The flowers are watered then with your tears, the wounds are healed with your lips, and pain is found out in everyones' hearts and purged away to the lake, the sea, the ocean, where it drowns in the cleansing waters. Wash your ego from your self, and step out of your skin which is battle-worn and bruised from abuse. Come swim in the golden waters of this pond, naked, wearing only your spirit. It's warm here like luminous oil massaging you. There are morning doves and orchids at night and in the day, there is rest and the stars. The trees sing you lullabies in harmony with the breeze and the moon sometimes eclipses the sun. You always have playmates-- ones who cry and laugh at once, reveling in the irony, the paradox of the universe. They work to stop suffering, but their pain and their joy become one here --pain a vine winding around the tree of joy, and all explode together in green where branches touch the sky. We are one in the heart..we are two in the mind Loving kindness mudra

08-08-2009, 12:31 AM	#22
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: Knowing and freedom Lovely poem Mudra! Last edited by BROOK; 08-08-2009 at 03:00 PM.

08-08-2009, 12:47 AM	#23
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: Knowing and freedom Loving kindness mudra

08-08-2009, 12:54 AM	#24
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: Knowing and freedom The Altered Ego Now what is the altered ego? It is the understanding gained from the human experience that is stored in the soul and articulated through the reasoning portions of the brain. It is the collective attitudes of man living merely as a surviving creature, living in the shadow of social consciousness. And that collective view will refuse to accept any thought frequency that does not fit within its security, that does not help to insure the survival of the entity. The altered ego is the refusal to allow all thoughts to be received and entertained for a greater realization within the embodiment. Ramtha Last edited by BROOK; 08-08-2009 at 01:04 AM.

08-08-2009, 12:59 AM	#25
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: Knowing and freedom Freedom in Knowing You have the ability to know everything there is to know. That is what your brain was designed for, so that a spirit living on a physical plane in a physical body could experience and understand whatever dimension of spirit he desired, seen through three-dimensional forms. Whatever thoughts you allow yourself to know through your wonderful receiver will become an experienced reality, seen first within your embodiment and then through the conditions of your life. And whatever you desire, you have the ability - through knowing - to manifest into your life in the twinkling of an eye. That is how you create the kingdom of heaven on Earth. Ramtha Last edited by BROOK; 08-08-2009 at 01:05 AM.