This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is...

[Tango]

What the U.S. Congress IS doing... Wasting the taxpayers money...




Why aren't the people in Cailifornia, taking her out.....

NO ONE, in California's got the balls... They, just move to Arizona.


Trooly,


Tango

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Originally Posted by Tango

What the U.S. Congress IS doing... Wasting the taxpayers money...




Why aren't the people in Cailifornia, taking her out.....

NO ONE, in California's got the balls... They, just move to Arizona.


Trooly,


Tango

It's a "Disgrace"? It is more than a disgrace It is the absolute in your face Truth on just how much THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

We seem to be under the illusion that they do care and that they will do something to help the current situation....NEWSFLASH THEY WON'T, NOT NOW, NOT EVER!
So stop living in a fantasy world that these people are one of us, they are in office for the status and the perks, period

They do need to be kicked out as far as we can kick them.

Other than that.....have a nice day

[Seashore]

Both major parties are bought and paid for.

I don't believe things will change until we get the money out of politics. In my opinion, that means banning political contributions/advertising.

[mntruthseeker]

Aww Seashore you have a point.

[PilotSimone]

Originally Posted by Seashore

I don't believe things will change until we get the money out of politics. In my opinion, that means banning political contributions/advertising.

So, we are obviously going in the wrong direction when the SCOTUS just did this on Thursday...

"Yesterday's radical Supreme Court ruling opens up the flood gates for unlimited corporate spending on campaigns. It says Big Business can spend as much money as it wants to, trying to defeat one candidate or another.
Individual citizens' freedom to effect our democracy, anyone's ability to make a difference, who isn't named Exxon, consider yourself squished under the heel of special interests and the nation's most rich and powerful companies."

Start at the 5:00 mark: SCOTUS decision in Citizens United case

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by PilotSimone

So, we are obviously going in the wrong direction when the SCOTUS just did this on Thursday...

"Yesterday's radical Supreme Court ruling opens up the flood gates for unlimited corporate spending on campaigns. It says Big Business can spend as much money as it wants to, trying to defeat one candidate or another.
Individual citizens' freedom to effect our democracy, anyone's ability to make a difference, who isn't named Exxon, consider yourself squished under the heel of special interests and the nation's most rich and powerful companies."

Start at the 5:00 mark: SCOTUS decision in Citizens United case

Could that be because we are all "PERSONS", which means corporate entities?
I've been spending time over at the "I've got a solution" thread

[no caste]

Originally Posted by Seashore

Both major parties are bought and paid for.

I don't believe things will change until we get the money out of politics. In my opinion, that means banning political contributions/advertising.

Canada has some strict legislation about this - not that it's not a problem too, maybe less, with limits. There are the big corp lobbyists...

These companies/corps 'invest' in political contributions for a return. It's just business. Americans seem to think this kind of regulation and oversight is 'communist' or 'socialist'. Sure seems to benefit the 'hidden hand' of the 'market' tho'!!

Also, hands-up votes. Does it not seem weird that voters are named - like the 'sponsors' can make sure their boy or girl did xyz, i.e. paper trail. I think they should be nameless with tallies, anonymous. People can always find out through television or phoning or following the news. The bad guys will know who to pick off. On the other side, accountability.

Hmm...

[peaceandlove]

Originally Posted by Seashore

Both major parties are bought and paid for.

I don't believe things will change until we get the money out of politics. In my opinion, that means banning political contributions/advertising.

One day hopefully Seashore, but for now....


Supreme Court lifts limits on corporate political contributions, changing election equation

A bitterly divided Supreme Court on Thursday swept aside decades of legislative restrictions, ruling that corporations may spend as much as they want to sway voters in federal elections.

January 21, 2010

By David G. Savage
Tribune Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON — A bitterly divided Supreme Court on Thursday swept aside decades of legislative restrictions, ruling that corporations may spend as much as they want to sway voters in federal elections.

In a landmark 5-4 decision, the court's conservative bloc said corporations have the same right to free speech as individuals and, for that reason, the government may not stop corporations from spending to help their favored candidates.

Continues: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._scotus22.html

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Tango

What the U.S. Congress IS doing... Wasting the taxpayers money...




Why aren't the people in Cailifornia, taking her out.....

NO ONE, in California's got the balls... They, just move to Arizona.


Trooly,


Tango

There's more to life than bitching about taxes.

When will people realize this?

If you participate on this forum, you should realize this by now.

Tea Party ******** ------------------------------> That way

[sjkted]

None of this matters. The financial system will collapse and this problem will go away. If you don't believe me, just wait 6-9 months and let's see where we are

It's going to be real funny to watch politicians full of hot air with no monetary control to yield over the plebes.

--sjkted

[PilotSimone]

Originally Posted by sjkted

None of this matters. The financial system will collapse and this problem will go away.

Yep.

Will it be gradual or quick? What will be the the first indicator of this heading south quickly?

I try not to be worried. But, I cannot shake this concern of food and water for people and animals. If there was an indicator I could show my family and friends, I will at least have a chance at getting them to stock up on food, water, and heirloom seeds. If my group is taken care of, then we can help the others in our community by sharing food/water and planting gardens.

The actual 'money' part of the economy...I would like to see go away.

[shybastid]

I'm sorry to disagree. I DOES matter. In your scenario,if it happens,she would still be in office shaking her head. That's not good enough. Her and "her kind" are a detriment to my rights as a U.S. citizen.
By definition "her kind" means any public servant that spends that kind of money in current financial conditions at State and Federal level in my country, the United States of America.
I'm not a republican,a democrat,or a teabagger.
I am a concerned citizen though. Regionally, Nationally and Internationally. Who's in charge?
I'm trying to learn.
Should Nancy Pelosi be and "her kind?"
Not if I can help it.
She is the first person that ever made me so mad I want to picket her elected position.
I SAW her last week on TV say.."hehehe We ALL say things on the campain trail to get elected"
She's OUT!

[shybastid]

For the record...I am not apoligizing for our Governors weak performance here in California.. I WILL support his first and most important mistake he made when he got elected.
He questiond the teachers unions and their benefits. Seriously,You teach 20 years in California,get a couple of extra degree's in nite school,and your union would give you 90percent pension for the rest of your life.
That was a MAJOR mistake in his political career. I personally know Teachers in the San Bernardino School District that went out and worked on destroying him politically. They expected and DEMANDED that payoff..(The pension)
When I grew up and moved to California..It's ALL I heard.. Get a Government Job before your 25 and you get a GREAT pension and start a second career at 45.
When Uncle Arnie suggested it might be too good?
They told him he was finished.
WHO elected Nancy Pelosi? Education System.

[shybastid]

I did not mean to hijack this thread..And the way I spell,you'd think I was an end result of the California School Sytem.. I kid I kid
I did not mean to insinuate that all teachers in the California Education System Bankrupted California. I DO know teachers that don't care. They want their retirement regardless of the cost. I know people in the Post Office that want their pension,regardless of the cost. They EARNED it. Kinda
I know people that worked at Kaiser Steel in Fontana California their whole lives and found out their pension was worth nothing. And no recourse.
I know a LOT of start up companies that failed..(Guilty)
My Point?
It seems the Private Sector Pays the Bills with Risk attached.
The Government Sector "manages" the risk with no "out of pocket" investment or risk. I don't like it.
AND I don't the like Government attitude.
Only THEIR time to manage MY risk. My dough.
THAT"S WHY the Doctors don't like Medicare and Medicade.
It's NO risk to the PAYED govenment empoyee's.

[feardia]

Tango,
I don't know who nancy pelosi is, or what she does, but i think she has a big shout in the USA and is bad news. During the iraq war i was particularly angry every time I seen Condoleeza Rice on tv, but in reality she was no worse than dick cheney or donald rumsfeldt, so why was I picking up on her?

Perhaps its a male thing that we expect women to behave in a certain way, but in reality I am sure there are a lot of guys equally bad or worse, such as Chertoff or even Arnie and guys never single them out for abuse. No doubt nancy Pelosi thinks she is at the cutting edge of the women's equality agenda and she will do what has to be done.

Just an observation.

[shybastid]

Yes your correct Gnosis..unfortunatley it is now the constituntional right of every forign government or U.S. business to hire lobbyests to pay for their cause for hire. That means "gloves are off" for any government representative from our house or senate to be "approached" by anyone from any country with a checkbook to be bribed for favors.
Disgusting.
And Bushes and Clintons and Obama's are all to blame.
THEY hired the Supreme Court.

Hehehe I don't want an accident in the woods.
I'm probably wrong.

[shybastid]

Sorry... I just got "Its about taxes" quote.
Rediculous

Ever heard of right's of freedom? No, I think WE ALL forgot.

We assume we're going to "asend" from the big bad government.


Gimmee a break.

The Day that Government Employees and Banker Employee's make the most money in MY Country with NO risk........And I'm under scrutiny by the bankers and government employees for MY risk...I'm gonna take a second look at my rights.
While I have any.

[Tango]

Nancy Pelosi, is the head of America's House of Representitives... The changes
that take place in the Laws of our country goes first thru the House then
if passed in the House go to our Senate... It has been Nancy Pelosi that fast
tracks the process [Passing these NEW bills, without each house member
having a document to READ] calling for a vote without proper debate of the
issues in the draft of the bill.

Further, this woman granted stimulus funds to companies her husband invests
in... a trooly conflict of interest... And, FYI... I don't really care what one has
between there legs... more importantly it what they have between their ears.
As it was shown; she feels she can take funds and use them to enrich her own
life... A public servant that commits fraud, theft, corruption, a Troo crimmal
and the citizens of California, just let it continue. Allow her to be elected term
after term... Whereas, she NEEDS to be held accountable for her actions...
They ALL do...

NO, its not a male thing... its a Lazy thing... As I said she is a 'progressive '
meaning progress away from FREEDOM... Handing Americans over to the IMF
is the their plan. World Bankers... The state of America, has been planned for
a long time... The REAL power in America is in " We the People "... Here, I
know; that Obama is going to try and take down the internet to STOP the
news of this... But, I believe when he tries the people will Rise Up...

Trooly,


Tango

Originally Posted by feardia

Tango,
I don't know who nancy pelosi is, or what she does, but i think she has a big shout in the USA and is bad news. During the iraq war i was particularly angry every time I seen Condoleeza Rice on tv, but in reality she was no worse than dick cheney or donald rumsfeldt, so why was I picking up on her?

Perhaps its a male thing that we expect women to behave in a certain way, but in reality I am sure there are a lot of guys equally bad or worse, such as Chertoff or even Arnie and guys never single them out for abuse. No doubt nancy Pelosi thinks she is at the cutting edge of the women's equality agenda and she will do what has to be done.

Just an observation.

[no caste]

Tango - No conflict of interest legislation?

Also, I hear that bills are padded with other bills that slip through a lot.

[shybastid]

Yeah Caste..Sliding in other laws and back door deals has been going on since day 1. A lot of us either ignored it,or did'nt know how bad it really was.
But to give 300million dollars to nebraska if they agree to health reform without even having a final version took a lot of people by surprize.
They said "give us the dough and we'll sign anything."
It added additional insult to an already frustrated American.

[Tango]

Of course there is legislation for ' Conflict of Interest.'

But, and it's a Big BUT, it All starts with a complaint needing to be filed....

Than, it's handed over to Judges of Law... There, are some honest Judges...
Very few... If they have " Esq. " after their name... Really, they have given
up their American citizenship... They really are members of the U.K.

Lawyers, [Liars] have fuuked up this country... And, it was ALL intentional...
Law makers, in Washington, D.C. Should NOT be able to be members of the
UK's Barristers... Judges, should NOT be allowed to be members of the UK's
Barristers... Judges, should be elected for a term with limits... NOT APPOINTED !!!

Come On... Our president is really, born in a different country... Complaints
filed can't EVEN get a day in court... How, ' fuuked Up ' is That... That's when
you know the system has been corrupted.

I've spent many hours thnking about Lawyers... I don't see any reason for
such a position. They ' ALL ' look for a way to currupt the Law... They don't earn
a living... They steal Money from American citizen's and the system... Lawyers...
Should be made to get a REAL Job or they should be deported
to the U.K. That's where owe their loyalty... That's where they should be...

Who, the hell ever heard of Dual Citizenship... Another Lawyer term... You
either are a citizen of a country or your NOT...

There, is Not a good enough reason to have an attorney... Unless, one needs
someone to shovel SHAT...

Trooly,


Tango

P.S. Next time I'll tell you how I really FEEL... I know we are NOT suppose
to hate anyone... But... But... " Oooh, let it go..."

Originally Posted by no caste

Tango - No conflict of interest legislation?

Also, I hear that bills are padded with other bills that slip through a lot.

[no caste]

Originally Posted by Tango

Of course there is legislation for ' Conflict of Interest.'

But, and it's a Big BUT, it All starts with a complaint needing to be filed....

Than, it's handed over to Judges of Law... There, are some honest Judges...
Very few... If they have " Esq. " after their name... Really, they have given
up their American citizenship... They really are members of the U.K.

Lawyers, [Liars] have fuuked up this country... And, it was ALL intentional...
Law makers, in Washington, D.C. Should NOT be able to be members of the
UK's Barristers... Judges, should NOT be allowed to be members of the UK's
Barristers... Judges, should be elected for a term with limits... NOT APPOINTED !!!

Come On... Our president is really, born in a different country... Complaints
filed can't EVEN get a day in court... How, ' fuuked Up ' is That... That's when
you know the system has been corrupted.

I've spent many hours thnking about Lawyers... I don't see any reason for
such a position. They ' ALL ' look for a way to currupt the Law... They don't earn
a living... They steal Money from American citizen's and the system... Lawyers...

But the USA is the most litigious society on earth !! Even an eyelash in a cup of restaurant tea goes to court. A (scalding) cup of hot McDonald's coffee. What is up with THAT?

Elected judges can be easily bought and sold. Elected vs. appointed... it tilts, too, but any lawyer is married to Lady Law. The set of data is in it. << sounds like a fortune cookie lol

Is there no room for CREATIVITY????????

[shybastid]

Creativity? That's what America does best!! We make the movies, we make the Computer content,we CREATE the Computer Content,We EXPLOIT the Computer content,we design HDTV...based on Market driven products..even if we manufacture it out of the country.
We create Music that is loved by the world.
We make the best TV (groan) in 25 languages of reruns.
We design the first generation of new electronics.
We EMBRACE other cultures and ask them to come to OUR Country to learn and go home.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY
We LOVE other cultures AND we're creative AND we respect other cultures AND our own.
Don't get me wrong...I'm a proud American and I want to share our expertise.
My Government is slow in learning it's people and what we have offer to the world.
We don't want to control it, we want to share it.

I HATE That.....

[Northern Boy]

you left out how great they have become at exporting jobs overseas

all kidding aside those running the country have run it into the ground amazing people when they want to be but in the name of greed it seems she has lost her way

[shybastid]

Agreed Northern Boy Sigh