JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot

Kerry Cassidy · 12-06-2008, 03:31 AM

5 December

• We are delighted to announce the release of our recent written interview with JAMES from WingMakers.com. For those of you who are unfamiliar with this website, I highly recommend it. WingMakers is a fabulous and profound science fiction story deeply anchored in truth - featuring over a thousand pages of the highest quality music, paintings and teachings.

This is a highly unusual move for James of WingMakers. In the past, the only other interview he has done was with his trusted webmaster, Mark Hempel. We are extremely excited to have been able to present this amazing set of answers - extending to over 20,000 words - to our penetrating questions on all aspects of the Great Game or Big Picture from James. There are few living today who in our estimation could approach his degree of clarity or vision into truth and the nature of what it means to be human.

In truth and with blessings,

Kerry

Emman · 12-07-2008, 12:35 AM

Kerry,

Thank you for conducting this interview on James. I have to think that this may be your most profound interview on Camelot. Basically, what James is saying is that the matrix is far greater than anyone could have imagined. Even spirituality is not apart from the matrix. We have come to realize that religion has always been a key component of the control matrix, but now we must ponder whether our spiritual aspirations are simply part of a program within the walls of this matrix. Pretty mindblowing stuff. I realize that the world is not as it seems, but it is even more not as it seems. But, this is good. We are in this new era of dismantling the coverups and falsehoods that have kept humanity at bay for such a long time. I have thought that whatever we may uncover eventually will be beyond what we have thought of as real and truth. I'm sure there will be so much more that will rattle our comfort zones and shift the floor from beneath us. That's good though. As long as we break down the walls of the matrix and demolish this prison of ignorance and unfulfilled awareness, that is good. Thank you.

Gnosis5 · 12-07-2008, 01:14 AM

Great post, Emman, thank you.

Gnosis

Cerebro · 12-07-2008, 07:22 AM

This interview was deep. I thought it was interesting how James talked about humanity's inherent nature to be greedy, selfish and destructive. That it's something that is passed on through each incarnation in the human family and continues to be our worse flaw. James' views really resonate with me in the sense that they're logical and they show that we can control our own destiny if we can free ourselves of the "HMS Matrix." Guys, let's get in touch with our sovereign integral and first source!

cway · 12-07-2008, 07:38 AM

James Wingmakers Interview
http://rapidshare.com/users/21QBW0
Part 1-3
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay...45507661210652

I found this one and the ones on his website to be very interesting and enjoyable

Frank Samuel · 12-07-2008, 07:51 AM

Thank you Kerry for the interview with James, you dear Lady are a special soul indeed, long ago free from the shackles of the prison of the mind.
Your vision and inspiration to search for truth has brought you to places in the human psyche that few have dare to cross. My eternal gratitude to you .

shanonatime · 12-07-2008, 11:44 PM

kerry, i feel i know these people. it's strange.

like too strange.

you have no idea how much synchronicity has hit me in the face around this interview....

i think this film will be in production sooner than you think

Christina Sila · 12-08-2008, 12:34 AM

Wow…. The Wingmakers Interview on the Sovereign Integral is quite a Human Mind bending proposition. This is the first I’ve heard or read of Wingmakers. Thank you for posting the interview, Kerry, and for starting another thread on this subject on a more positive note than the previous post.

In respect to the “God-Spirit-Soul Complex”, the Wingmakers explanation of the human condition challenges all that I have believed in. Far be it for me to say whether GSSC is truly mind programming or not until I personally test the recommended practice of breathing and remain open to what I may learn. I, for one in our collective, intend to explore the practice of Quantum Pause breathing patterns/techniques for myself before formulating any opinion. It will be interesting to see whether it opens a new awareness or state of consciousness. Here’s hoping.

linkes · 12-08-2008, 01:01 AM

Well what can I say ?

There is no way you can ever be able to top this interview I think this is the most outstanding information I have ever come across and I am completely blown away.

It seems this changes the whole direction and work of Project Camelot its like James said “be prepared to jettison your beliefs”

Man o man well done this is fantastic work thank you thank you thank you.

I have looked on the wingmakers site a few times but just couldn’t integrate it nor understand it but from this interview it makes the site that much more easier to understand.

You have not only out done yourself but you have also helped establish the wingmakers material to a new level.

I was reading the material and had so many profound moments and so in awe about this work it rang so true to how I feel inside about things finally something that feels 100% right 100% me.

I would read the ra material and david wilcok and listen to interview on pc and red ice and all these things, I even tried channelling and they all felt like they missed something vital even the explanations of what karma is and polarity all felt like they missed something.

Well I don’t know what else to say but thank you for helping me find this.

Below are some quotes from the interview that really felt so right.

“Each of us is our own saviour”
“This even upon death, the Sovereign Integral is not released from the influence of the HMS”
“In polarity the human instrument is lost”
“Polarity is what activates and feeds the HMS”
“Your entire life is a series of moments or passages of time, and each passage you are accompanied by your infinite self that is seeking one thing on this earth: self realization of itself within the human instrument”
“It is realization not ascension”
“What happens to one happens to all”
“Forgiveness is the active formula to self assessment of your present situation and the application f the new behaviours that are in resonance with the Sovereign Integral.”
“All I can tell you is that for some of you, when you feel you have gone astray – uneasy in your every thought and feeling – you are the closest to being found”

Peace and Blessings
Linkes

Gnosis5 · 12-08-2008, 01:16 AM

In particular, for me, the acknowledgement and naming out of the GSSC brought great relief for I know I am not alone in seeing this. Remember how Nemo felt before the Matrix was revealed to him and how he became more powerful as he started confronting it and he dug inside of himself. Okay, pardon me for strained metaphors

Gnosis

Quote:

Originally Posted by linkes

Well what can I say ?

There is no way you can ever be able to top this interview I think this is the most outstanding information I have ever come across and I am completely blown away.

It seems this changes the whole direction and work of Project Camelot its like James said “be prepared to jettison your beliefs”

Man o man well done this is fantastic work thank you thank you thank you.

I have looked on the wingmakers site a few times but just couldn’t integrate it nor understand it but from this interview it makes the site that much more easier to understand.

You have not only out done yourself but you have also helped establish the wingmakers material to a new level.

I was reading the material and had so many profound moments and so in awe about this work it rang so true to how I feel inside about things finally something that feels 100% right 100% me.

I would read the ra material and david wilcok and listen to interview on pc and red ice and all these things, I even tried channelling and they all felt like they missed something vital even the explanations of what karma is and polarity all felt like they missed something.

Well I don’t know what else to say but thank you for helping me find this.

Below are some quotes from the interview that really felt so right.

“Each of us is our own saviour”
“This even upon death, the Sovereign Integral is not released from the influence of the HMS”
“In polarity the human instrument is lost”
“Polarity is what activates and feeds the HMS”
“Your entire life is a series of moments or passages of time, and each passage you are accompanied by your infinite self that is seeking one thing on this earth: self realization of itself within the human instrument”
“It is realization not ascension”
“What happens to one happens to all”
“Forgiveness is the active formula to self assessment of your present situation and the application f the new behaviours that are in resonance with the Sovereign Integral.”
“All I can tell you is that for some of you, when you feel you have gone astray – uneasy in your every thought and feeling – you are the closest to being found”

Peace and Blessings
Linkes

Czymra · 12-09-2008, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by linkes

“Polarity is what activates and feeds the HMS”
“Your entire life is a series of moments or passages of time, and each passage you are accompanied by your infinite self that is seeking one thing on this earth: self realization of itself within the human instrument”

Linkes

Thank you for repeating these.
After I read this interview I thought to myself what the point would be. If it is all inside the HMS and the HMS is all 'fake', what would be the point to engage with it. And in fact "James" says that one has to look beyond it. But then don't I cancel out everything that makes life for humans valuable? What about the emotion that keeps us running most of the time? I see that all the negative spectrum is to slave me around but he puts it as if the positive, even though it supposedly heightens my frequency and activates more DNA, shouldn't be bought into either.

I can see purpose of manifesting the 'infinite self' but if the HMS is fake, why manifest on this 'plane' rather than escape completely, if that's at all possible?

Edward Alexander · 12-09-2008, 12:45 AM

I found virtually everything that James said to be identical to my own experiences and discoveries, so to me there is no doubt about its being valid and real. In fact it was quite interesting to see someone else has come up with the same things as myself completely independently, as I'm teaching other people about the very same things myself.

A very important interview that people really should consider, reflect and meditate upon.

I suggest trying out the exercises mentioned as well.

Best wishes to all, may your inner guide be with you
-EA

linkes · 12-09-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Czymra

I can see purpose of manifesting the 'infinite self' but if the HMS is fake, why manifest on this 'plane' rather than escape completely, if that's at all possible?

Hey Czymra

Well the way I saw it is the physical dimensions are still aspects of first source creation its the grid that is locked around the physical plain that dulls out our multidimensional selves and restricts us to only our emotional physical and mental selves which in truth are not even us but more or less a computer program which our consciousness has been locked into.

We’ve been cheated our experience on this level of creation has been manipulated and we have been cheated out of an experience and trapped in what I have found personally to be not acceptable.

I have read material where they said its with the negative that we find our true selves this concept just never sat well with me, the whole polarity thing just never sat well with me, so when I read James description it answered a lot of questions I had around these concepts and it just felt more in line with what I feel to be my truth.

I am also an avid reader of the Ra Material and have studied many of ll researchs channels I have been to channellings myself and even then I just felt like something was missing. Like I tried to get into all the Alice Bailey stuff but couldn’t even bring myself to read I felt put off by it.

Even when I started the whole research of all the conspiracy theories it just feel like the reasoning isn’t totally there but with this interview there is reasoning, there is a truth it just feels right.

2012 may come and go, Floods may come and go, Illiminati may come and go, earth quakes may come and go, BUT what truly matters above all this is the fact that you are conscious, that you are you, you are Source. It is in this knowledge, that we will always have the last Laugh.
Lets all Go forward from this interview and just be AWARE, CONSCIOUS of who you truly are.

Peace and blessings
Linkes

Gnosis5 · 12-09-2008, 10:30 AM

My understanding is that one would have to merge the polarities between the "player" (spirit) and the "playing field" (physical) before one can "escape". Or, that is the only escape you would really wish to experience, any other only digging you in deeper.

Czymra · 12-09-2008, 11:25 AM

I can see what you mean but speaking/thinking/feeling about it is not going to help it.
So what do I do with the rest of my life when I'm just supposed to sit there and practice the quantum pause. I still need food huh?

Gnosis5 · 12-09-2008, 05:32 PM

Pardon me, but who told you to spend all day doing the quantum breath? Have you done any sort of spiritual processes in the past?

best,
gnosis

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Originally Posted by Czymra

I can see what you mean but speaking/thinking/feeling about it is not going to help it.
So what do I do with the rest of my life when I'm just supposed to sit there and practice the quantum pause. I still need food huh?

Gnosis5 · 12-09-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Czymra View Post
I do agree with the notion of 'saving ourselves' and many other concepts that dismiss dogmas of any kind. However, I am still left wondering what's left and how this actually ties in with the life I'm leading for obviously if I can't even escape in death, what's the point? And when living, am I to act and stand thoughtless and emotionless at all times or is this just a state to 'ground' me again?

Czymra, I think that is the best question. When you stand looking at a rollercoaster ride for the first time you can only wonder what it might be like to actually experience it. Then you decide if you wish to pay for that experience. Point, you have to experience it to answer your questions.

Because of the experiences I am paying for (my past life sessions) I know I will not be in any astral or etheric trap, at least not to the extent that I would have been. So, when I drop my body, death will not sting in the astral. In the worst case scenario, I will have to go and find a good family and be born again and continue with my chosen spiritual path. So what if it takes a couple of lifetimes?!?

Stillness of mind makes one more active and more in the now. Thinking and mind chatter slows one down. When I had my still experience I was bounding up the stairs and moving very very fast -- because I was looking in the now and not thinking about it. One can make good judgements just by looking in the now. The mind can keep us in the past or fixated on the future.

As for emotions, one has a richer range and overlay of emotions when they disengage the preset emotions that the mind can handle. Try it, you might enjoy it

That is my experience. I arranged to have this experience and if you really want the answer to your questions then work on having the experience. I would love to read your posts about that.

Myself and a friend experienced this stillness and my friend described it as a tiger ready to pounce and I described it as an avenging angel. The mind is an interactive navigational problem solving tool, but it is a poor copy of an aspect of yourself.

If you don't like the interruption of mind chatter, you can always bring it back :-)

My experience did not last more than 3 days because I did not first fully address the unconscious junk that holds it there in the first place. Thus, no more shortcuts for me and I am trudging through my past life sessions.

STILLNESS OF MIND IS AWESOME!!!

Czymra · 12-09-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Stillness of mind makes one more active and more in the now. Thinking and mind chatter slows one down. When I had my still experience I was bounding up the stairs and moving very very fast -- because I was looking in the now and not thinking about it. One can make good judgements just by looking in the now. The mind can keep us in the past or fixated on the future.

As for emotions, one has a richer range and overlay of emotions when they disengage the preset emotions that the mind can handle. Try it, you might enjoy it

That makes a lot of sense to me. Thank you for that. I suppose that constant rant against the mind and emotions (that are programmed) made me believe that there are not to be any emotions etc. at all.
But there are two more questions then:
1. Living in the now is great, but how do you make plans in that state? For personal experiences I don't need to make plans but when working on a project I keep on being told it's crucial. And in fact when I don't have plans I might discover fantastic things but I don't end up with anything 'complete'.
2. I have great respect for the idea of 'not feeling' as well. Since you draw your light sabre I might liken it to the idea of Luke Skywalker giving himself away by feeling for his friends and family. He too is supposed to fight without anger or love. Now don't think I'm basing all this on some weird film but I have experienced that 'emotionlessness' just works in a martial arts context, but doesn't it take all the fun out of being?

Sorry if I turn in circles but I really appreciate any input and hope that others can gain from this, as well.

Gnosis5 · 12-09-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Czymra

That makes a lot of sense to me. Thank you for that. I suppose that constant rant against the mind and emotions (that are programmed) made me believe that there are not to be any emotions etc. at all.

I understand

But there are two more questions then:
1. Living in the now is great, but how do you make plans in that state? For personal experiences I don't need to make plans but when working on a project I keep on being told it's crucial. And in fact when I don't have plans I might discover fantastic things but I don't end up with anything 'complete'.

Good question, but I suspect that "planning" might be a way of working through the mind. We are on terra incognita here Isn't it wonderful?!

2. I have great respect for the idea of 'not feeling' as well. Since you draw your light sabre I might liken it to the idea of Luke Skywalker giving himself away by feeling for his friends and family. He too is supposed to fight without anger or love. Now don't think I'm basing all this on some weird film but I have experienced that 'emotionlessness' just works in a martial arts context, but doesn't it take all the fun out of being?

Oh, god, no! In my past life sessions when I go back to before any physical universes (and physical minds) I find that my emotions are much more interesting, richer. The mind needs to be stilled in order to experience a full range of expression and emotions. Polarities need to be unlocked to experience a full range of expression, which is your native gift. I am told that a good Zen Koan will do it. Your mind might be a nifty little gadget that needs some upgrades, but it's not the full you

Sorry if I turn in circles but I really appreciate any input and hope that others can gain from this, as well.

best,
gnosis

Czymra · 12-09-2008, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Pardon me, but who told you to spend all day doing the quantum breath? Have you done any sort of spiritual processes in the past?

best,
gnosis

Nobody did, but it is made rather clear that what is being talked about is NOT spirituality, so why would I approach it in the same manner?
By the way, I probably haven't been very 'spiritual' in the sense of sitting there and meditating for hours.

Gnosis5 · 12-09-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Czymra

Nobody did, but it is made rather clear that what is being talked about is NOT spirituality, so why would I approach it in the same manner?
By the way, I probably haven't been very 'spiritual' in the sense of sitting there and meditating for hours.

Okay, thanks for answering. I see that there is the misconception about what it means to be "spiritual". I'm using myself as an example because I am not as advanced as some of the beings on this forum, so maybe I've done a little more work than yourself but I'm not out of your league

What I see is happening with me as I continue in my sessions is that I am becoming more balanced, have a fuller range of expression and thus can deal with life better. For example, mother just died and I was not in tears and guilt as my brother was. My responses to my Hubby are less fixed, less knee jerk and we do not push each other's buttons the way married couples are wont to

I don't kick the dog either

There are more channels that I can tune into mentally. It's a slow but sure piecing back together of my sovereign integral or my original self, removing the ties that bind.

I'm most decidely not perfect, but I can feel it coming

Josefine · 12-09-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Czymra

After I read this interview I thought to myself what the point would be. If it is all inside the HMS and the HMS is all 'fake', what would be the point to engage with it. And in fact "James" says that one has to look beyond it. But then don't I cancel out everything that makes life for humans valuable? What about the emotion that keeps us running most of the time? I see that all the negative spectrum is to slave me around but he puts it as if the positive, even though it supposedly heightens my frequency and activates more DNA, shouldn't be bought into either.

I can see purpose of manifesting the 'infinite self' but if the HMS is fake, why manifest on this 'plane' rather than escape completely, if that's at all possible?

Yes, there are inconsistencies in this material from James.
I have taken my time to let it sink in, to digest it, to be precise where I beg to disagree,
James has made this easier by himself stepping on many toes, by seeing many of our most cherised axioms in a different light. And, the way I read him, he does not want to be put on a pedestal with only Ay-sayers milling about.

Let me explain how I differ:
10 years ago the WingMaker material was all the buzz among my friends. I did not study it, just took a cursory look on their webpage. I was deep into other studies. I subsequently heard that it was 'just' an allegory, or an elaborate hoax, depending on the person making a conclusion.
I was able to read this interview now without any foregone conclusions. And I am impressed. This is a most welcome helping hand for humanity at this point in time.

Czymra's comment above is, in fact, very pertinent.

The weak link in this brilliant treatise by James is this: If we, as multidimensional beings have created physical creation, how could we be persuaded to 'jump into' human bodies that had been created by the Annunaki for the purpose of us being their slave laborers?

In my humble opinion, we did not do that. This is not my opinion alone, this description of our early history is what I encountered when I was busy doing something else 10 years ago.
We were told - there have been several of us - that as multidimensional beings we were creators. We also created the human body, in the same manner that we expressed all our other creations: First as a hologram. We made a hologram of the human skeleton, then we used water, and finally we used the material that is now found in coralls. When we had perfected the skeleton, we went on in the same manner, creating all the other systems and organs that comprise a human body. We tested all parts, and when everything was to our satisfaction, this bacame the prototype of a human body.

We incarnatated in human bodies in order to come closer to our other creations, in order to savour and enjoy creation. This was, of course, a risky adventure, the risk of forgetfulness about our true nature and identity.

In the eons that followed many things happened, there were many ages and many stages, many levels of experiencing and of cognition.

One, for us, disasterous development came with our increasing fascination with our beautiful home, planet Earth, and every breathtaking detail of it. In the beginning, we were satisfied with holograms, with fleeting manifestations that were there in the moment, and gone the next.

But as we started to look more outside of ourselves, forgetting to maintain our inner being, we also started to feel ownership to individual, selected parts of creation. We started to feel individual pride in this item or that. and our creations became tangible, physical, more permanent, objects. We focused more and more on outside manifested reality, and neglected our inner reality and connectedness to All.

Our connection to our true identity corroded and gave rise to the petty competitiveness and claims of owneship to parts of manifested reality.
This lowered our level of consiousness, our level of knowledge of All That Is, our knowledge of our Oneness, the knowledge of our true identity as multidimensinal beings.
In this fast lowering state we have been easy prey to all kinds of outside manipulation.
We have been taken advantage of by many races that we perceived to come from outside.
But those who have taken advantage of us, shared our genetic origins. They had departed to other parts of creation, and came back as 'Another Us', in a shape or form that was sufficiently different for us to only see what separated us.

Over the eons, we all started to get the true story wrong, who did what, and when.

Those that departed are coming back to their cradle. They have to do this in order to move on.
We have been multidimensional beings all along. We are multidimentional beings today. It is a matter of realizing what we are.
Our DNA has a virtual part, a takeyonic part, a faster-than-the speed-of-light part. Our DNA is multidimensional. Moreover, we create with out DNA.
With our physical incarnation we are changing physical manifestation. We are doing right it now.

As James said, we have reached an Apex in our created manifestation. If it is likened to a bicycle wheel and the spokes of this wheel can be seen as beams of creation, we have travelled to the outer rim of one such spoke, and there is only one direction left, going back. Dismantling our toys. But not by seeing them as separate, as duality. By loving creation, and enjoying the changes that we are instigating that will change our playing field, however long it takes.

We are in the process of creating a New Universe. This will take time.
The nature of time and space will change completely.
In the meantime we are still here. And we are meant to enjoy our creation, to savour it, to appreciate it. Anything that gives us joy, laughter, and love in all its different aspects is ours to savour. We came to experience all of this. We are sharing our experiences as ONE.
All our feelings and experiences are legitimate and add to the story of our adventure. Even sadness and grief. But we have to make sure we know what we are. Everything seen in the right perspective.

But we have also descended into a hell of disagreeable injustices and inequalitites. False pride and envy and fear led to hate and war. We attacked outside when our inner temple had fallen into ruins.

'The fact that human beings stopped helping each other, has been the worst result of their decline', we were told.

So, thank you for your comment Czymra. Very well put. I have added a response to you and to James.

All for now, in gratitude.

feeler · 12-09-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Josefine

False pride and envy and fear led to hate and war.

False pride: Fake moon landing.

False fear: 9/11 false flag.

Both artificially manufactured by the US govt.

-feeler

Gnosis5 · 12-09-2008, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josefine

Yes, there are inconsistencies in this material from James.
I have taken my time to let it sink in, to digest it, to be precise where I beg to disagree,
James has made this easier by himself stepping on many toes, by seeing many of our most cherised axioms in a different light. And, the way I read him, he does not want to be put on a pedestal with only Ay-sayers milling about.

Let me explain how I differ:
10 years ago the WingMaker material was all the buzz among my friends. I did not study it, just took a cursory look on their webpage. I was deep into other studies. I subsequently heard that it was 'just' an allegory, or an elaborate hoax, depending on the person making a conclusion.
I was able to read this interview now without any foregone conclusions. And I am impressed. This is a most welcome helping hand for humanity at this point in time.

I agree, especially if it encourages people to actually do some spiritual processes and actually find out for themselves from their personal "seeing". If this is what James wants the most for others, then I can contribute to him.

Czymra's comment above is, in fact, very pertinent.

The weak link in this brilliant treatise by James is this: If we, as multidimensional beings have created physical creation, how could we be persuaded to 'jump into' human bodies that had been created by the Annunaki for the purpose of us being their slave laborers?

In my past life sessions and the sessions I give to my husband and the remote sessions that we conduct, what I am seeing is that we perceived or were made to perceive that we harmed another(s) and in our self-appallment we agreed to be punished, thus self-punished in truth. No one really did anything to us except what we allowed, but we were taking the wrong path towards absolving our "sins" by allowing ourselves to be stuck with body identities.

I have seen a Reptilian society wherein one must have money in his account to be able to purchase a high class body should anything happen to his current body.

I have seen wholesale implanting of beings into cloned bodies by Annunaki types. I saw a grey being given for the first time a fully functional digestive tract whereas before he had no need of one -- just to keep him occupied as a spirit. So, in my viewings bodies were borne out of someone's wrong idea of a "solution". Bodies are nothing more than compulsive negative energy mass, tons of layers of mass. Yes, I do admire the complexity, the workmanship, much like I might admire the genius of Hannibal Lechter, but eschew his motives.

I'm not saying you are wrong, just that I have not seen that story to be true, although bodies have been sold to us as wonderful items to have.

And, if we all do our spiritual work we may arrive at a point where bodies can be wonderful things to have -- or not have. In the movie "The Blue Angel" about the robot boy with a soul they portrayed a possible future body type. I mean, if we have to have bodies we should have more say over the design, eh?

Others can use the carrot and/or stick approach to get us to agree that bodies are just what we need right now.

When I took my hubby to a best possible future for himself he was in 2099 and he had no body, was creating on a very large scale, and, boy, was he happy

In my humble opinion, we did not do that. This is not my opinion alone, this description of our early history is what I encountered when I was busy doing something else 10 years ago.
We were told - there have been several of us - that as multidimensional beings we were creators. We also created the human body, in the same manner that we expressed all our other creations: First as a hologram. We made a hologram of the human skeleton, then we used water, and finally we used the material that is now found in coralls. When we had perfected the skeleton, we went on in the same manner, creating all the other systems and organs that comprise a human body. We tested all parts, and when everything was to our satisfaction, this bacame the prototype of a human body.

That fits in with what I am seeing in our recent history. Go back a few quadrillion years before physical universes and tell me what you see us doing then. We were all freaking creators!!!

We incarnatated in human bodies in order to come closer to our other creations, in order to savour and enjoy creation. This was, of course, a risky adventure, the risk of forgetfulness about our true nature and identity.

Okay, that's possible, and I agree that it is an adventure.

What I am seeing is that we started out working with very fine aesthetics and very gradually could only work with coarser and coarser aesthetics, but, I agree, we wouldn't be here now if we had not on some levels agreed to it or been sold on it.

The sensations and perceptions that a being can savour in a disembodied state are far superior to those he can experience through bodies.

I don't have the total answer, I'm only posting what I have personally seen, not anyone else's cosmology. I wish there were more people doing that.

In the eons that followed many things happened, there were many ages and many stages, many levels of experiencing and of cognition.

One, for us, disasterous development came with our increasing fascination with our beautiful home, planet Earth, and every breathtaking detail of it. In the beginning, we were satisfied with holograms, with fleeting manifestations that was there in the moment, and gone the next.

But as we started to look more outside of ourselves, forgetting to maintain our inner being, we also started to feel ownership to individual, selected parts of creation. We started to feel individual pride in this item or that. and our creations became tangible, physical, more permanent, objects. We focused more and more on outside manifested reality, and neglected our inner reality and connectedness to All.

Our connection to our true identity corroded and gave rise to the petty competitiveness and claims of owneship to parts of manifested reality.
This lowered our level of consiousness, our level of knowledge of All That Is, our knowledge of our Oneness, the knowledge of our true identity as multidimensinal beings.
In this fast lowering state we have been easy prey to all kinds of outside manipulation.
We have been taken advantage of by many races that we perceived to come from outside.
But those who have taken advantage of us, shared our genetic origins. They had departed to other parts of creation, and came back as 'Another Us', in a shape or form that was sufficiently different for us to only see the what separated us.

Over the eons, we all started to get the true story wrong, who did what, and when.

Those that departed are coming back to their cradle. They have to do this in order to move on.
We have been multidimensional beings all along. We are multidimentional beings today. It is a matter of realizing what we are.
Our DNA has a virtual part, a takeyonic part, a faster-than-the speed-of-light part. Our DNA is multidimensional. Moreover, we create with out DNA.
With our physical incarnation we are changing physical manifestation. We are doing right it now.

Bravo, thank you for validating what I know to be true for myself at least. Also, for myself, I see that I have played out this cycle on many prior planets and prior societies, some much like this one. Yes, I am the maker of dimensions and universes and whatever I wish to people those universes with, but I can't for the life of me remember how I did that, lol!

As James said, we have reached an Apex in our created manifestation. If it is likened to a bicycle wheel and the spokes of this wheel can be seen as beams of creation, we have travelled to the outer rim of one such spoke, and there is only one direction left, going back. Dismantling our toys. But not by seeing them as separate, as duality. By loving creation, and enjoying the changes that we are instigating that will change our playing field, however long it takes.

Yes, there has been a great discussion over at the T4R Yahoo Group about the pole of Player and Playing Field.

We are in the process of creating a New Universe. This will take time.
The nature of time and space will change completely.
In the meantime we are still here. And we are meant to enjoy our creation, to savour it, to appreciate it. Anything that gives us joy, laughter, and love in all its different aspects is ours to savour. We came to experience all of this. We are sharing our experiences as ONE.
All our feelings and experiences are legitimate and add to the story of our adventure. Even sadness and grief. But we have to make sure we know what we are. Everything seen in the right perspective.

But we have also descended into a hell of disagreeable injustices and inequalitites. False pride and envy and fear led to hate and war. We attacked outside when our inner temple had fallen into ruins.

'The fact that human beings stopped helping each other, has been the worst result of their decline', we were told.

True, we have stopped viewing each other as spirits and players and when we deal with another we act as if we are dealing with the physical playing field itself. When you are dead you become part of the playing field, at least your body does. This is another reason why the "winners" do not want us to view ouselves as an essence -- what better way to knock a player out of the game? Make him agree to only be aware of being part of the playing field -- a corruptible body.

So, thank you for your comment Czymra. Very well put. I have added a response to you and to James.

All for now, in gratitude.

I typed my contributions in orange above.

Czymra · 12-09-2008, 09:01 PM

Quote from Gnosis5
In my past life sessions and the sessions I give to my husband and the remote sessions that we conduct, what I am seeing is that we perceived or were made to perceive that we harmed another(s) and in our self-appallment we agreed to be punished, thus self-punished in truth. No one really did anything to us except what we allowed, but we were taking the wrong path towards absolving our "sins" by allowing ourselves to be stuck with body identities.

I find that hard to believe. If we were so 'mighty' how'd we be suckered into punishing ourselves? That sounds very much like that talk the religions give us in this world.
Your sessions sound out there, I'd be up for that.

12-06-2008, 03:31 AM	#1
Kerry Cassidy Project Avalon Co Founder Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 146	JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot 5 December • We are delighted to announce the release of our recent written interview with JAMES from WingMakers.com. For those of you who are unfamiliar with this website, I highly recommend it. WingMakers is a fabulous and profound science fiction story deeply anchored in truth - featuring over a thousand pages of the highest quality music, paintings and teachings. This is a highly unusual move for James of WingMakers. In the past, the only other interview he has done was with his trusted webmaster, Mark Hempel. We are extremely excited to have been able to present this amazing set of answers - extending to over 20,000 words - to our penetrating questions on all aspects of the Great Game or Big Picture from James. There are few living today who in our estimation could approach his degree of clarity or vision into truth and the nature of what it means to be human. In truth and with blessings, Kerry __________________ ..."if you build it they will come" Field of Dreams

12-07-2008, 12:35 AM	#2
Emman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 37	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot Kerry, Thank you for conducting this interview on James. I have to think that this may be your most profound interview on Camelot. Basically, what James is saying is that the matrix is far greater than anyone could have imagined. Even spirituality is not apart from the matrix. We have come to realize that religion has always been a key component of the control matrix, but now we must ponder whether our spiritual aspirations are simply part of a program within the walls of this matrix. Pretty mindblowing stuff. I realize that the world is not as it seems, but it is even more not as it seems. But, this is good. We are in this new era of dismantling the coverups and falsehoods that have kept humanity at bay for such a long time. I have thought that whatever we may uncover eventually will be beyond what we have thought of as real and truth. I'm sure there will be so much more that will rattle our comfort zones and shift the floor from beneath us. That's good though. As long as we break down the walls of the matrix and demolish this prison of ignorance and unfulfilled awareness, that is good. Thank you.

12-07-2008, 01:14 AM	#3
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot Great post, Emman, thank you. Gnosis

12-07-2008, 07:22 AM	#4
Cerebro Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: LA Posts: 5	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot This interview was deep. I thought it was interesting how James talked about humanity's inherent nature to be greedy, selfish and destructive. That it's something that is passed on through each incarnation in the human family and continues to be our worse flaw. James' views really resonate with me in the sense that they're logical and they show that we can control our own destiny if we can free ourselves of the "HMS Matrix." Guys, let's get in touch with our sovereign integral and first source!

12-07-2008, 07:38 AM	#5
cway Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Milky Way Posts: 267	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot James Wingmakers Interview http://rapidshare.com/users/21QBW0 Part 1-3 http://video.google.com.au/videoplay...45507661210652 I found this one and the ones on his website to be very interesting and enjoyable Last edited by cway; 12-08-2008 at 10:08 PM.

12-07-2008, 07:51 AM	#6
Frank Samuel Project Avalon Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: i live in puerto rico Posts: 643	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot Thank you Kerry for the interview with James, you dear Lady are a special soul indeed, long ago free from the shackles of the prison of the mind. Your vision and inspiration to search for truth has brought you to places in the human psyche that few have dare to cross. My eternal gratitude to you .

12-07-2008, 11:44 PM	#7
shanonatime Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: philadelphia Posts: 57	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot kerry, i feel i know these people. it's strange. like too strange. you have no idea how much synchronicity has hit me in the face around this interview.... i think this film will be in production sooner than you think

12-08-2008, 12:34 AM	#8
Christina Sila Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 13	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot Wow…. The Wingmakers Interview on the Sovereign Integral is quite a Human Mind bending proposition. This is the first I’ve heard or read of Wingmakers. Thank you for posting the interview, Kerry, and for starting another thread on this subject on a more positive note than the previous post. In respect to the “God-Spirit-Soul Complex”, the Wingmakers explanation of the human condition challenges all that I have believed in. Far be it for me to say whether GSSC is truly mind programming or not until I personally test the recommended practice of breathing and remain open to what I may learn. I, for one in our collective, intend to explore the practice of Quantum Pause breathing patterns/techniques for myself before formulating any opinion. It will be interesting to see whether it opens a new awareness or state of consciousness. Here’s hoping.

12-08-2008, 01:01 AM	#9
linkes Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Wellington New Zealand Posts: 45	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot Well what can I say ? There is no way you can ever be able to top this interview I think this is the most outstanding information I have ever come across and I am completely blown away. It seems this changes the whole direction and work of Project Camelot its like James said “be prepared to jettison your beliefs” Man o man well done this is fantastic work thank you thank you thank you. I have looked on the wingmakers site a few times but just couldn’t integrate it nor understand it but from this interview it makes the site that much more easier to understand. You have not only out done yourself but you have also helped establish the wingmakers material to a new level. I was reading the material and had so many profound moments and so in awe about this work it rang so true to how I feel inside about things finally something that feels 100% right 100% me. I would read the ra material and david wilcok and listen to interview on pc and red ice and all these things, I even tried channelling and they all felt like they missed something vital even the explanations of what karma is and polarity all felt like they missed something. Well I don’t know what else to say but thank you for helping me find this. Below are some quotes from the interview that really felt so right. “Each of us is our own saviour” “This even upon death, the Sovereign Integral is not released from the influence of the HMS” “In polarity the human instrument is lost” “Polarity is what activates and feeds the HMS” “Your entire life is a series of moments or passages of time, and each passage you are accompanied by your infinite self that is seeking one thing on this earth: self realization of itself within the human instrument” “It is realization not ascension” “What happens to one happens to all” “Forgiveness is the active formula to self assessment of your present situation and the application f the new behaviours that are in resonance with the Sovereign Integral.” “All I can tell you is that for some of you, when you feel you have gone astray – uneasy in your every thought and feeling – you are the closest to being found” Peace and Blessings Linkes

12-09-2008, 12:45 AM	#12
Edward Alexander Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 158	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot I found virtually everything that James said to be identical to my own experiences and discoveries, so to me there is no doubt about its being valid and real. In fact it was quite interesting to see someone else has come up with the same things as myself completely independently, as I'm teaching other people about the very same things myself. A very important interview that people really should consider, reflect and meditate upon. I suggest trying out the exercises mentioned as well. Best wishes to all, may your inner guide be with you -EA

12-09-2008, 10:30 AM	#14
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot My understanding is that one would have to merge the polarities between the "player" (spirit) and the "playing field" (physical) before one can "escape". Or, that is the only escape you would really wish to experience, any other only digging you in deeper.

12-09-2008, 11:25 AM	#15
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot I can see what you mean but speaking/thinking/feeling about it is not going to help it. So what do I do with the rest of my life when I'm just supposed to sit there and practice the quantum pause. I still need food huh?

12-09-2008, 05:54 PM	#17
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot Originally Posted by Czymra View Post I do agree with the notion of 'saving ourselves' and many other concepts that dismiss dogmas of any kind. However, I am still left wondering what's left and how this actually ties in with the life I'm leading for obviously if I can't even escape in death, what's the point? And when living, am I to act and stand thoughtless and emotionless at all times or is this just a state to 'ground' me again? Czymra, I think that is the best question. When you stand looking at a rollercoaster ride for the first time you can only wonder what it might be like to actually experience it. Then you decide if you wish to pay for that experience. Point, you have to experience it to answer your questions. Because of the experiences I am paying for (my past life sessions) I know I will not be in any astral or etheric trap, at least not to the extent that I would have been. So, when I drop my body, death will not sting in the astral. In the worst case scenario, I will have to go and find a good family and be born again and continue with my chosen spiritual path. So what if it takes a couple of lifetimes?!? Stillness of mind makes one more active and more in the now. Thinking and mind chatter slows one down. When I had my still experience I was bounding up the stairs and moving very very fast -- because I was looking in the now and not thinking about it. One can make good judgements just by looking in the now. The mind can keep us in the past or fixated on the future. As for emotions, one has a richer range and overlay of emotions when they disengage the preset emotions that the mind can handle. Try it, you might enjoy it That is my experience. I arranged to have this experience and if you really want the answer to your questions then work on having the experience. I would love to read your posts about that. Myself and a friend experienced this stillness and my friend described it as a tiger ready to pounce and I described it as an avenging angel. The mind is an interactive navigational problem solving tool, but it is a poor copy of an aspect of yourself. If you don't like the interruption of mind chatter, you can always bring it back :-) My experience did not last more than 3 days because I did not first fully address the unconscious junk that holds it there in the first place. Thus, no more shortcuts for me and I am trudging through my past life sessions. STILLNESS OF MIND IS AWESOME!!!

12-09-2008, 09:01 PM	#25
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot Quote from Gnosis5 In my past life sessions and the sessions I give to my husband and the remote sessions that we conduct, what I am seeing is that we perceived or were made to perceive that we harmed another(s) and in our self-appallment we agreed to be punished, thus self-punished in truth. No one really did anything to us except what we allowed, but we were taking the wrong path towards absolving our "sins" by allowing ourselves to be stuck with body identities. I find that hard to believe. If we were so 'mighty' how'd we be suckered into punishing ourselves? That sounds very much like that talk the religions give us in this world. Your sessions sound out there, I'd be up for that.