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Project Avalon General Discussion Finding safe places, information and resources for building communities, site suggestions. |
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Dears,
Up to now, here on thread, I observed three major main approaches, to the idea of safety retreating : A. The preparation as best as possible, at your existing home location, which is, of course, located in "civilized" world meaning a city/town of some sort? B. The constructing of the Radiant Zone (RZ) by someone with financial means, something like a condo, or furnished apartments waiting to receive their tenants? C. The construction of a RZ by a cooperative of each respective member contributing, by buying his piece of land, somehow neighbouring one with each other, then using the common powers (financial, work force) to construct for each memeber a house/shelter of the independent lot of each other, being more cheaply, than a individual approach; and more prone a company will move heavy machinery in a very remote place. By this, we are constructing like a small village where everybody can have their own piece of property but will act as a single entity in protecting, working to obtain food, resources, etc... Now there is also to clarify the basis on which, people are let in, into these RZ after they are ready - by any of the method B, C (A is not feasible because is your own house): For B and C by methods of making: 1) The people let in, accepted, by the entity which constructed that RZ on some kind of agreement of some sort (case B) or by the cooperative agreement between the StartUp-ers (case C) 2) After the initial population of the retreat, regardless, B or C method new admission will be: 2.1. The next people to come are under careful scrutiny of the existing members and their admission is based of a sort of "approval" from the majority/unanimity of the existing members and they must abode to a certain set of retreat rules 2.2. Or, let inside anybody, anyhow, from anywhere, without any agreement nor responsibility of any sort, anybody can leave, can do whatever, at the best of the capacity Did I understand correctly, correct me if I'm wrong?! Last edited by artvision; 07-26-2009 at 08:26 AM. |
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Though I think Ttc will/should be able to address these reasonings, I have to say that all these questions and more should be posed and probed to the best of our abilities.
Now the community that I am working with does have a few rules that have been stated: No guns Participation: planting, harvesting, upkeep of your lodging and communal lodging. includes: Being present for council meetings, being a equal part of the council, communicating your views using the premisses of Non-violent communication. Being service to others. Honesty. Tolerance of others differences and cultural choices. We have a manual outlining the plan of the community which I will download and share. This is a spiritual place, not based in a fear paradigm. Though we think from the head, we also think from the heart. There is a lot of work to be done. Everyone needs to think about what they want. What they are willing to do. Who they are. And not be in judgement of this. All answers really do lead to God. There is no separation here. You can live in a city and be true of heart or live in another way and feel that is your destiny. It's all good. Different societies will begin and change and meld... our only constant "change" is always our teacher. To become a part of any community will change that community just through your joining it. Energy moves... Take heart... Be your own community first with a centered heart and a love for all. Then your truth will resonate no matter where you are! Peace of Mind, Wormhole |
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I too envisage a community.
It will be suitable for those that choose to remain embodied through the ascension process. The members will be people who find it by following their hearts and via the workings of the law of attraction. Its construction will be manifest by the focussed intent of all those who take part. In keeping with the law of allowance, there will be no rules. Love A.. |
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I will agree with Wormhole on the premise that it is not fear-based but a spiritual place.
The community I propose is closer to your B statement. I will elaborate. The way I have designed a lot of the community has to do more with physical mechanical integration of systems that are interconnected to help the community and reduce its environmental impact. That being said, statement A is not valid and statement C seems a little unfair to me. I want to offer everyone an equal opportunity whereas statement C is a kind of "fend for yourself within a loosely knit group" kind of thing. Whoever has the most money gets the nicest retreat. At the moment, the housing arrangements in my community are on a tell us you're interested in coming and we'll build you a house kind of basis. A different scenario would be tomorrow I get a massive influx of people who are all welcome and we have five hundred people there. We would be more inclined to convert to a loosely apartmentish type arrangement. I actually have this covered, but I'm keeping it short. Number 1, Case B: I have proposed a variation of this in order to keep everyone level. If everyone agrees to the same thing, then there are no loop holes per se. I wouldn't say there are strict rules as of yet, because so many factors are population dependent, the "basic premises" give everyone something to work with. At a later time and with more people a formal charter may be drafted, but in doing so, clauses must be written in for the evolution of the community, the people, the society, and the charter itself. I think Case C would have several things in common with Case B. To clarify, I have passed the premises through more than just myself and they were revised and edited to be more accommodating. Number 2.1 I think there would have to be a certain amount of scrutiny. In such a situation there are liable to be people of unsound mind and well as those with malicious intent. Number 2.2 Letting anyone in with no responsibility placed on them could cause harm to a community. You could have twenty people come in and eat all your food and leave in three days while stealing your stuff. A drastic example, but in such a scenario, there are bound to be those who go Mad Max and turn into looters and whatnot. With either of number two, a certain amount of discretion should be employed, but you have to look at it from a logical standpoint because after a catastrophe there is a likelihood that some of the residents will allow fear to be a dominantly deciding factor when faced with a large number of refugees. |
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I added the Introductory word, which has been wiped out when passing from outliner (it was a note in there) to the word processor, being very tired after working for 2 days as visual and another for outlining, adding notes etc.
As TtC said, in one of the previous posts, who thinks this is easy business, making a RZ, is not truthful with himself. If so much work just to line up the titles of chapters and subchapters only, imagine what will be to fill in with information (proper and verified), not mention the fact of bring such project to a working reality! You can read it, added in the same Radiant Zone Guide post at PAGE 7 of this thread: INTRODUCTORY WORD http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...t=15480&page=7 Last edited by artvision; 07-26-2009 at 09:55 AM. |
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Well done for the quantum leap in love and understanding that happened overnight.
You are all great souls. I am very gratefull to you all to make this thread a decent place for exchange of ideas and constructive focus. May you keep the good work. I am really off now to catch my airplane ![]() ![]() Love you all mudra |
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In a thread of thinking that involves the consideration of guns and defense is it correct to bring up such "spirituality" and the significance that the spiritual laws will apply ? Yes I think so because it is central to the concept of "Radiant" in the title radiant zone. With respect, I think that some of the thinking is old paradigm. (Guns, defense, discrimination etc). I am taking the opportunity here to offer an additional line of thinking that changes the paradigm that applies to the solution. Of course, this thinking is valid and worthwhile because we are entering into a period of time that includes a chaotic transition for each person that is alive and the planet. During this time there may well be a case for old paradigm survivalist training/preparation and thinking and I will be there contributing to these efforts as well. I have made significant preparations of this nature in my personal life and have and will continue to help others do so if asked. A.. |
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![]() For that left out option, I thought that by coming here and posting (@RADIANT ZONES thread) has been automatically filtered out. Meaning those participating here are interested of that, not remaining at home, in a middle of turmoil when SHTF. My personal feeling about the Radiant Zone is it radiates a vibrational energy of a say frequency. All persons, that are tuned to that frequency will become or may become dwellers together. So after they found each other, no need anymore rules or regulation to behave as HUMANS. The rules and regulations, I see as SOP (Standard Operating Procedures) meaning: "What I should do if this or that is happening" I mean, in that condition of life threatening situation and an increased danger, any delay of decision or, even worse, not knowing what to do at all, could have pretty dire consequences for person and entire group. So, anyway we discuss, any direction we will look, the way the world as is constructed is about of some kind of filtering (or auto filtering; just example, other people may consider our discussion boring for them, while we are enjoying). Therefore using terms segregationist, etc, seem bring bad resonances in our mental, but volens nolens, you cannot be in a Radiant Zone will all the world, just with those are resonate with you. I'm strong supporter of helping and dedicated to help others, as much as we could by a grosso modo saying: "Give until it's hurts" The weapons there, were mentioned just for completeness (so some people might want use our guide will say: "hey, but where are the guns?" because many are still in the old paradigm, as you already smartly mentioned, but we must avoid to blame them). So, anybody could disregard the point not fits with their way, but for the sake of completeness, this should be there. As the world is, with goods as with bads. In order we exclude from the beginning, the defense & stuff, will look as separatism or segregationist to others, not mention they will disregarding the entire informational value, that probably would of helped them, otherwise. Look, also me I do not know 100% how is to be done to be good, otherwise would do it before asking you guys here. The whole point is to discuss and share all the points, while offering the rationale that backing our affirmations. Please, I want to start fleshing the Organisation. We got some ideas about the conduit and ethics (thanks guys for contribution! ![]() Maybe the signature is a bit misdirecting. What I mean by those 5 B's: Belief - faith, spirituality, higher vibration (that is not the pure Dawinistic C.O.G. stuff) Brains - meaning wisdom, knowledge gathered and ready to be applied in case of SHTF Beans - everything for nurturing Bullets - In the meaning of defense, not necessarily by killing or by firearms, means everything put in place for safety Band-Aids - the healling capabilities, body and spiritual wise So, after sorting this out, I gladly await for your feedback, on how we choose the people and what do you want to add about "PEOPLE" section? Once again, I would like to thank you and we keep the same frequency level. Last edited by artvision; 07-26-2009 at 12:17 PM. |
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Artivision: your approach is certainly comprehensive !
Change Bullets to Barter and you might just win me over on that one ![]() A.. |
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Dears,
I just got a strange information, which has to do with the coming devastating events soon to come in 2009, just not regard much as off-topic. (At least for the SHTF scenarios for the guide) This information has been publicized in a book, which translated from Romanian will approximative sound like: "Inuaki: My inner Reptilian" by Aryana Havah. Here is the blog of the author; she is a lady doctor, psychologist working with kids (in a petty googlish english translation): http://translate.google.com/translat...istory_state0= It is, as all those stories, about a higher being that used to live on a planet called Inua, in constellation Orion. Opposite with Ick's reptilians stories here is about something totally different. They are higher spiritual begins, called Inuaki, resembles humans, 2 metres tall, with a lizard look like tail, but have no scales just a smooth and velvety skin. They eat no meat, just plants, seeds and fruits that are planted on their own, nothing is wasted and everything is balanced on their planet, in accordance with respecting the laws of something called Matrix. The Matrix is a manifestation of the Divine will, like Holly Ghost look alike. Is acting as a database for all Energetically Emotion Forms, everything that a being is doing and thinking is stored there, in records specific that category based of a specific vibrationis frequency, etc. This being reincarnated in a boy, called David, born in Romania and this David is revealing some extraordinary things, to a psychologist lady doctor, that has been brought to, by his mother. David, the Inuaki being, is reveling outstanding and mind boggeling things, about the Indigo children, the purpose of them being born on Earh, etc. about the God The Creator, the Matrix which govern all the 10 Universes, the shift we will be forced to pass through, etc. There are still other Inuaki being born on Earth, 3 in US, 2 in Germany, 1 in China, 1 in France, besides David, from Romania, totally 8 on Earth. I d not want to waste your time too much, just this entity is bringing some interesting information, that has to do with our concerns here related with Radiant Zones. So, Inuaki said that: • Romania is the repository of a special kind of information and knowledge for the evolution and the benefit of the entire planet, located in Romanian mountains in Bucegi and Ceahlau (confirmed of many people of high emanating energy) • Inuaki said there are some holographic projection in a form of pyramid with square base, with the purpose of protection, sending Energetic Thought Forms, for protection of Romania against some vicious attacks and for uplifting of the entire humanity • That Romania has been the first place that emerged in this world after Creation (and that information is cross checked with a totally different other source) • That the our firs ancestors lived here on that land, have been the first beings created on this Earth; from here they were spread on the entire planet • That Romania is the only country that has 7 active chakras said similar as humans and same as the Earth has(California, South America, Australia, England, Egypt, Iran and Tibet) • Inuaki have 10 chakra's, 7 similar as humans while 3 more above their head • These chakra's are accompanied of energy fields, of different colors, look like concentric baloons one inside the other (hope I not make a mistake here as I'm not much in that kind of stuff) • Also that Inuaki haven't have anymore Bioenergy fields as humans have, the had but transformed in some pure golden enery sphere • Those 7 Romanian chakra's started be activated in 1986, with the maximum, in 2011 • Also that the Ancient Conscience of our Elders, will burst out with such a force that will ignite the hearts and conscience of the remaining survivors • At world level will be problems related with water, or with water movements (he is not allowed to reveal exactly), while for Romania bad thing ahead: either very dire economic problems (and yes, I can confirm a coming Banking crash in connecting with IMF loan, recently) or an extreme devastating earthquake • etc, etc Just looking at this information as purely fictional, I have a desire to know what would be those water movements, that will devastating world, but leaving Romania untouched? (of course we will have our own part of "fun" in the planetary party, by earthquakes and economic destruction). Could it be the gravitational pull, caused by a probable passing by celestial massive body that may affect rotation of Earth and pulling it to slow down, while the momentum of the rotating waters tends to flood the territories in some part, while in other will reveal the underwater ground? Or this could be created by a massive meteorite impact causing a mega, giga tsunami which will propagate many thousands of KM? Awaiting your thoughts? Last edited by artvision; 07-26-2009 at 02:35 PM. |
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Actually, I was only intending to follow the lively discussion here on this thread...but at the end, I decided to participate with my own thougths, as I advance the view that we need to share our wisdom(s) as much as possible...
My honest opinion...and as allways, it comes from my heart...is that NO, we don't need any RZ or communities. Why? Let me elaborate shortly... I posted recently on the nexus thread my humble opinion that we, as humanity, that we've reached a kind of "point of no return". We are NOT able to continue our existance as we did during the last centuries...it's simply not enough any more...we've reached the limit of our spiritual resources, we need help! So building RZ's or any communities is not the answer for our needs. This is, if you wish, a "point of return" to the old habbits, and once again, we all see what the present outcome is...we, the humans, or humanity, we just blowed the whole "show"... I do not prepare to live in any RZ or community, this is NOT what I'm suppossed to do here and now, while on earth and during this life...This is the way how I feel, it is my OWN truth and my OWN feelings are the only one which guidance I trust... I do NOT accept any rools, we have enough rools to deal with these days, you all know this well...which doesn't mean that I'm an anarchist... The truth is, I prepare to exist (I deliberately didn't use the words live or life) in a "world" without any limitations !!!! So I will not bother with any rools, written or said...I will just live this one life now and today the best I can, in accordance with my hearth, full with love and respect for all that is. The existence I'm heading to is simple and don't need any rools. The AGENDA??? It's called ABUNDANCE Whatever we need, it's there...Yeah, I know, it sounds utopically, but you should know that this "world" of existance really exist... By the way, You should know something about me, which I never ever presented here on avalon...you should know that since my childhood, I guess I must have been 8 or 9 years old when it started, I felt a very strong conection with the native Indians from northern America...I read so many books, learned so much about their life and their way of living in unity with the nature...I so much wanted to be born back at that times, before the europeans conquered the american continents... So, altough I don't have any memories of any previous lives as an Indian, I would say that YES...if I have to choose to live my further life in any form of community, I woold only like to live in a community based on the rools of the native Indians. Important: If any of you need the urge to build such communities, please do so! This is YOUR path, your assignment, let your heart guide you. I guess, I will not participate ![]() with ![]() malletzky Last edited by Malletzky; 07-26-2009 at 05:19 PM. |
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As our manual is in printed form, it will take some time to type copy. Please be patient and I will have it as soon as I may.
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I will be putting up more information on the TracetheCircle forum so I don't bog down this thread with general information. I will still answer questions here, but I think the more complicated ones be answered elsewhere. An FAQ will be made out of your questions.
This topic is more broad and vague and I don't want to take away from that, but feel free to still ask. |
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Hi all, now that peace seems to have settled on this thread once more, I would like to add my two cents worth. We talk about RZ as if they are about material things and communities, but really we are each a radiant zone. We resonate/vibrate, at a certain level and all around us, is us, vibrating at the same level. All those so-called 'others' are mere mirrors of us, of our attitudes. Those that emotional affect us are just showing us where we are at. What we project on to someone else, is us, disallowed, not owned!
When I first started waking up many of my friends were waking up also but some thought I was quite odd and after a while we would just drift away. Birds of a feather do flock together. There is no getting away from that. There is equality of life force and there is freewill as to what one does with that lifeforce, how it is expressed. Everyones lessons are unique to them. As people wake up and grow in consciousness all people and situations around them change and grow, or leave. That has been my experience my whole life. When I was unconscious and later when I became more conscious. Having gone through many troublesome and difficult experiences to be where I am today, I would not have wanted anyone to 'rescue' me, to have shortcircated my learning. I am grateful for all I have learned for myself, by myself. One is much more effective to others waking up and then providing an example of awakened consciousness for others to be inspired by, to learn from. Our personalities take a great 'humbling' to bring us to wisdom. No one gets to soul contact, inner contact without a humbleness of being. Whatever attribute of another person we focus on, we bring to the surface. A person may have many negative qualities, (according to us) but, if we find and focus on the good (God) of that person, that is what comes forth for us. That is the attribute that grows. Whatever is not focused on and given attention to, atrophies, disappears. Great leaders love, share, inspire, teach protect, not by rules, regulations or any sort of force but by the power of their presence. Love and LIght Carmen ![]() ![]() |
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Hi Carmen,
It's quite an experience when you first meet someone with that type of presence. I've met people like that too; the energy that hits you is very tangible and in a real sense, overwhelming. I don't doubt that you are thinking about Ramtha when you make that statement. /NS |
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Yes, Ramtha would be such a leader but many others also. I have any sort of powerful leader in mind, even horses. A powerful leader doesnt necessarily have to "do' anything, he or she just "is". They radiate from themselves a powerful presence. One feels it and 'knows'
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Good! Very good!
So what is the latest conclusion is that this issue for RZ preparation, at least as we are grasping it is a fuss... We just need to became humans, stay humans, in the purest sense and then the "Force" will be with us? That is as simple as that. |
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Hi TtC,
I had the curiosity and went on your web page. The story of the TRACE THE CIRCLE I found it very profound. Similar to you, at very early age, in my first years of school, I had encountered the first "existential" problem for me at that age. I remember as of today that it was history class and that I answered very good at class and then another colleague answered but not so good. He needed often be helped by teacher, he was running in circles re-telling what he said again, in other words, for my colleagues I asked opinion and for me, was a mess. But the surprise come after, when teacher has been telling the marks as she was writing down in the log register. My colleague got 10 (from 1 to 10 marking system) and me 9. I felt so bad for that one, as when I went to teacher to write down my mark in my personal notebook (it was a special notebook pocket size as a small contact agenda, where the teachers writing down the notes and your parents must sign for acknowledgement). Asked her: Teacher why you gave me 9 and my colleague 10, when his presentation was worse than mine? She looked very shocked, such as how a small kid has the guts ask her about her decision, looked to me such thru a magnify glass and said: because he's dad is in the Parents Class Board and your parents are only workers. I was speechless. Went home and asked what is that? My parents explained me, that such and such parents, with higher hierarchy in society with "relations" and more money that can "help" the class get painted, or get waxed on their expense, etc, were populating that boards or counsels. And because the teacher should show somehow gratitude will recompensate by giving their children higher marks (at least that, by giving good marks, costed no money or other things). And from that moment on, I was so marked by that inequity, that I felt that I have to fight with injustice and inequity in human society. Not only that, but from that early age, I started to carefully watch the society make-up and the relations between humans. So, TtC, I like this remark from your front page: " Instead, you would gladly give up your freedom and rights to a small group of people who tell you they will act in your best interest, when, in fact, they do not." Thus, in the radiant zone, I will not accept anything that pure democracy, I will not accept a minority to lead again, in some "boards" or something and whatever RZ I might participate in, will just be a free will cooperative of people "birds of same feather (as Carmen nicely put) with all people with equal rights and everything we decide or we construct the regulaments or guides, will be that from our own, not others. And that all of us build it together, just not someone might invoke he has more right than other because he invited us in his retreat. I would not want to feel as a guest, but rather a whole rights host! And because of that, I do not want to foolishly trade the existent inequity society, that we live in, with another plagued same by inequity and injustice, but other sort. Last edited by artvision; 07-27-2009 at 07:44 AM. |
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