Alternative energy for your home

[DenisSelivanov]

Originally Posted by zynox

please do not take any information in this post as gospel or advice.

If we are going to discuss alternative power / energy, it may prove useful to investigate and/or shed some common misconceptions and societal memes.

Many building codes have been reviewed and found not to increase safety, but to have been implemented for fiscal agendas (similar to the way some pharmaceuticals seem to have no efficacy but generate much profit). One must scan hard on the web, but there are studies done on this, if i round some up i'll post links.

Fatalities and injuries occur from all power sources, however, jumpering car batteries was one major source back when carburetors and open fuel fumes were more common. Safe procedures and understanding (intelligence applied as wisdom) was key to making the process safer, not addition of expensive equipment.

Transfer switches are often convenient, practical and sometimes (often?) required by codes, laws and regulations, but are not technically required.

One approach to minimize risks, such as in an emergency, is to open up the main breaker in the power panel, connect first end of a 'jumper' cord (both ends with the receptacle prongs) to an outlet in the residence, connect second end to the generator and finally start the generator. When normal power is restored, reversing the procedure by first shutting down the generator, then removing jumper cord from generator, then from residence with last step being the turning back on of the main breaker ensures the jumper is never handled energized and that the utility and neighbor's wiring isn't backfed / supplied by the generator.

I raise this issue because in times of crisis and emergency, some interesting choices will be presented, and if it involves following a code / rule / meme or saving a life or increasing chance of survival, my choice will be clear.

If one is wealthy or unable to follow instructions, or wants to follow a required law / code, then a transfer switch is the way to go. I just wonder where we will get them in times of need should systemic failures cascade through systems ...

Namaste!

how do you know all these things, are you plugged into the matrix lad?

[Zynox]

Originally Posted by DenisSelivanov

how do you know all these things, are you plugged into the matrix lad?

DS,

I have been in the trenches of electrical work since I was a wee-lad, as hobby, then career. Funny things along the way, I have witnessed many electrical events that seemed to defy the physics and electrical theory I was taught at the university, and this excites me, one might say electrifies me, as it leaves me knowing we have much to learn regarding all forms of electro-magnetic-scaler? energy.

As for the matrix, I feel I was suppressed by it along the way, does that count as being plugged into it? Unlike Neo, I have never really felt like I had an inside connection to it, more like I sensed it, as something most repulsive.

In another thread where I elected not to post further in the escalation, you asked, what is namaste. Namaste is an Indian greeting / blessing, and I apply it to you, my polar brother, "The divine in me honors the divine in thee", thus,

Namaste!

[DenisSelivanov]

Originally Posted by Zynox

DS,

I have been in the trenches of electrical work since I was a wee-lad, as hobby, then career. Funny things along the way, I have witnessed many electrical events that seemed to defy the physics and electrical theory I was taught at the university, and this excites me, one might say electrifies me, as it leaves me knowing we have much to learn regarding all forms of electro-magnetic-scaler? energy.

As for the matrix, I feel I was suppressed by it along the way, does that count as being plugged into it? Unlike Neo, I have never really felt like I had an inside connection to it, more like I sensed it, as something most repulsive.

In another thread where I elected not to post further in the escalation, you asked, what is namaste. Namaste is an Indian greeting / blessing, and I apply it to you, my polar brother, "The divine in me honors the divine in thee", thus,

Namaste!

As for the matrix, I feel I was suppressed by it along the way, does that count as being plugged into it? Unlike Neo, I have never really felt like I had an inside connection to it, more like I sensed it, as something most repulsive.

could you elaborate on that?

[mudhog92]

I can relate to the generator info, lived in the sticks, needed one to keep my pipes from freezing in the winter when we would lose power for few days post snow storm. With the way things are looking for the future, just bought some solar panels, inverter and giving it the ole college try. Got everything for less than four hundred bucks, should run basics if i watch what I do. Experimenting this weekend. Won't run the furnace, but can switch to wood,.....

[Zynox]

Originally Posted by DenisSelivanov

As for the matrix, I feel I was suppressed by it along the way, does that count as being plugged into it? Unlike Neo, I have never really felt like I had an inside connection to it, more like I sensed it, as something most repulsive.

could you elaborate on that?

Greets again,

Since this is an energy thread, you could start another thread and send me a link or e-mail/message if you want more details, I have a fascinating story, to some, and I'll only tease and say, I have been real close to a lightning strike and been bumped across space and time from 1000 volts AC shock ...

~ namaste ~

[DenisSelivanov]

Originally Posted by Zynox

Greets again,

Since this is an energy thread, you could start another thread and send me a link or e-mail/message if you want more details, I have a fascinating story, to some, and I'll only tease and say, I have been real close to a lightning strike and been bumped across space and time from 1000 volts AC shock ...

~ namaste ~

can u give more detail?

[meekforce]

Here is a link for a motor - gives instructions - my understanding is it has a torquee up to 1600lbs

http://www.members.shaw.ca/motorlab/...Test%20Results

[meekforce]

Here is a link to one more that caught my eye but have not had the time to try it out - maybe someone here who is to the electrical field may want to experiment with it - those who had experience with earth batteries would see why this link holds some credibility
http://www.mondovista.com/meyers/

another is about a gentleman who says his coil will increase energy if I remember right by about 5 times the input - but if true and if one could but these coils in parallel then even earth batteries may be a viable solution.

http://www.markorodin.com/

[Lance]

I am in talks with Arthur to get the mfg rights for the PNW (in BC, Washington, Oregon and Northern California) to get this made here

http://www.hushenergy.com.au/

I folks i have been working on a Badini motor and have a small model working, we are going to scale it up this year.
Has anyone out there had a go at it and if so have you generated electric from it!

links to Badini pages

thanks
Doug

http://www.icehouse.net/john34/bedinibearden.html

http://www.rexresearch.com/bedini/images.htm

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...choolgirl.html

Heres a great site i've been looking at for a while. Theres loads of different DIY projects as well as a shop for all your projects, hope this helps. http://www.reuk.co.uk/

[minimeister]

Sorry to be so blunt but there are only a few posts I have seen on this subject that are actually good advice. The rest is going to get people killed. Your energy supply in a SHTF scenario could mean the difference literally between life and death so I want to share a few things in hopes that a few more people might live when the time comes. I sell alternative energy systems so here's the deal;

- This is no longer about saving the planet, it's about saving your ass
- Get yours now! Do not wait! There is no silver bullet on the horizon and waiting for it will leave you with nothing soon. You will not save any money by waiting because inflation is driving up prices on everything at least as much as innovation is bringing costs down. This is not the computer industry, you do not see radical price changes in short periods of time. One year from now prices will probably be about 40% higher if you can get the stuff at all.
- Focus on getting your energy output to a level that will enhance your physical security. This means enough for security lighting and communications such as walkie talkies and wifi. In the short term absence of modern services security will likely require more effort than food and shelter acquisition.
- Don't think about a grid tie system, get a completely stand alone system that you or your family can move and install yourselves on short notice. The technical knowledge you need for this is easy to acquire and something you should know for yourself versus having to find someone to do it for you.
- Water pumping...crucial...this is the one that will get most people I think. There are lots of ways to go about this, most of them wrong for what we really need. The one thing about this people overlook is the life of the batteries. What if batteries are no longer available? Most batteries have an average life of about 4-5 years. This depends on the type of course but even the best batteries will eventually go south. This means if you have an AC water pump running off an inverter and the batteries no longer work you will not have water. This would be a nasty surprise down the line. To avoid this problem you get a DC water pump that runs DIRECTLY from the panels. When the sun is shining it pumps, no batteries involved. The water is pumped to an elevated tank where it is stored and gravity provides the pressure. The only pumps I use are from sunpumps.com. The only limits to this system are the life of the pump and the life of the panels. Both should be good for about a generation or two. You may want to get an extra pump to keep as a replacement. At least get replacement parts.
- To keep the initial costs of the system down go pure DC and only use pure DC stuff. It's easy to find DC fans, lighting and adapters for laptops. If you have $1500.00 you can get a good starter system that can grow without having to replace anything. The amount of power this provides will be enough for a fan, a light, laptop and networking equipment. This may be a step down in comfort level for most folks but believe me it's better than none.
- Remember that survival Mad Max style will always involve clean water as a commodity. With this one resource you will be able to trade for ANYTHING else. Also, water pumping allows for agriculture and caring for animals. This is what will allow you to live an agrarian lifestyle versus hunter-gatherer. Herein lies the key to living versus surviving.
- You don't have time for experiments. Buy proven components only and then experiment once you have a base established.
- As far as EMP goes, this only applies if you live in an urban center. In this case, your biggest problem will be the 'zombies' not that your solar panels got fried. If you are not out in the country when this goes down you're dead, sorry. EMP should not be a problem in the country as only infrastructure will be targeted and the power of the EMP falls off at the inverse of the square. You will want to protect against lightning and other environmental damage of course but that's all standard stuff you will learn while studying the basics.

I've been living overseas off grid for about two years now so I'm not just talking out of my ass. I found a new level of peace in my life by making this transition. I'm long out of the realm of just talking about it and I put my money where my mouth is every day by running both my home and my business off grid. If things work out in the world where we don't have this anticipated upheaval, wouldn't you still want to be self sustaining? Which is more important, a shiny new (insert needless consumer item here) or energy independence for life? I'll leave you with one last thought...

"When it all went down the people were expecting the state to maintain control with a technical Police State matrix. They never thought they would rely on the time-proven method of controlling their food and water. If you can produce your own food and water you are much harder to control. If your family is starving even a proud man will submit. Every siege in history has been based on this one simple idea."

[minimeister]

Hi bhoss,

Here are a few links to answer your questions;

Some pre-designed systems from wholesalesolar.com...
http://www.wholesalesolar.com/produc...TETELECOM.html

Some other kits from mrsolar.com
http://www.mrsolar.com/page/MSOS/CTGY/indkits

These kits start as low as around $300 and go up to around $5000. Good range of kits, all balanced and tested. I must emphasize again that learning a little about this stuff isn't really optional. Consider it an essential survival skill in our world today. realgoods.com is a great place to start learning and they do have a reputable business selling systems as well but I think they're pricey.

As far as keeping it portable, this is a trade off between total production capacity and transportability. If you have enough help and a truck you can move a big system in a hurry. If you have to bug out quick you might want something more like this;

http://solardyne.stores.yahoo.net/aasolbatchar.html

Even being able to charge AA batteries can be extremely useful so if you're on a tight budget you may want something like that. It's $90, plus $20 for some rechargeable AA batteries.

If you have the money and the ability to transport a larger system it's very important to have the ability to pump water so go for that.

If you need to purify water use a solar distiller, which can be made very cheap and easy;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_still

For cooking solar ovens work great on days with good sun;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cooker

And please remember water purification is tactical. Water pumping is strategic.

[Powerinourhandsl]

hopefully not completely off topic , but i would like to mention the fact that Magnets are very useful for generating electric etc. In a time or circumstance where there is no where to plug your microwave in , i suggest you scrap it , and any more you might find and remove the large magents that lie within these devices. These can then be used to make a generator.

Unfortunatly there are no Free energy machines just yet. Any one intending to make one of the many published designs that are out there must prepare themselves for a long frustrating time trying to get them to work. But that will not last forever , i am associated with one design that will give free energy to the world soon. I cannot give any more details so don´t ask. But the future when we get there lol will be a bright free one. I mention this a another glimmer of positive hope for us.

Love to you all , together we can do anything

[Realview]

May have missed a post on this but you can also easily create a "Fueless heater" if you you tube and google you'll find two plus an infrared system. The principle on the two is simply to rotate a cylinder within a cylinder where there is water in the outer cylinder. Actually one type uses oil, transmission fluid what ever at about 1200 rpm. The result is perpetual heat varying by the size of the unit. People claim to heat their home by this method even outputting the heat to the central heating ducts. The other type produces steam or hot water with cylinder cavities in the rotating drum. They claim over unity by as much as 70 %.

[meekforce]

Originally Posted by Realview

May have missed a post on this but you can also easily create a "Fueless heater" if you you tube and google you'll find two plus an infrared system. The principle on the two is simply to rotate a cylinder within a cylinder where there is water in the outer cylinder. Actually one type uses oil, transmission fluid what ever at about 1200 rpm. The result is perpetual heat varying by the size of the unit. People claim to heat their home by this method even outputting the heat to the central heating ducts. The other type produces steam or hot water with cylinder cavities in the rotating drum. They claim over unity by as much as 70 %.

www.fuellesspower.com seems to be a scam site, selling a lot of "free energy" plans that do not work.



This article, http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clem1.htm, which is about the Richard Clem engine, mentiones fuellesspower.com at the end. There are other complaints about fuellesspower.com elsewhere online.


"In the last part of June 2001, Rick Harrison, president of Creative Sciences sent an email to KeelyNet saying he was prepared to sue if we did not stop 'bad-mouthing' his company. The website is http://www.fuellesspower.com and I told him go ahead, since I and many others would love to see them prove their overunity claims in court. Since then he has not responded back and the website is not responding, so I think they are changing their claims. We also have several emails from others who say Creative ripped them off and one from Brazil saying its been 60 days after he sent about $115.00 and received nothing."
Fuelles Power Plans Scam
Submitted by Seen the Model (not verified) on April 13, 2007 - 22:07.

My next door (mentally ill) neighbor has several plans they are all fraud. The fueless heater is a rod dangling in motor oil. The generator plans have you wind copper wire around a plastic tray.

But - no one really cares because only nuts order the plans and they will never think its a scam. You can show these nuts demonstration models on how things are in this life - but theres no use they will never get it.
These nuts think free energy is real using household items they wont listen to simple laws of 1st grade science. They choose to live a lie.
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what has your nextood
Submitted by esaruoho on April 15, 2007 - 07:11.

what has your nextood neighbour got to do with www.fuellesspower.com , please? could you clarify if this response of yours is based on "oh, yes, theres something quite like that somewhere, its a scam", instead of visiting the premises of the company and finding information on it?
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Sorry your wrong
Submitted by deltafour (not verified) on July 26, 2008 - 17:05.

The person who commented "My next door (mentally ill) neighbor has several plans they are all fraud. The fueless heater is a rod dangling in motor oil."
Is totaly wrong. Thats what i thought it was by the depsecription . Reason they say this is because they dont want to give you the secret, making you buy the plans. But i wasnt going to spend $40 to find out.

One day i was surfing and found this site by accident. Someone put the actual plans online and I quickly downloaded them. I was reading them and found it quite interesting and I can assure you its not a can of oil with a zinc rod dangling in it.

No, I havent built one yet to test it. But I can sure you looking at it and the physics of it and hows its built there might be some claim to it. Time will tell
http://merlib.org/node/60