Something is a brewing, HMMMM

[tone3jaguar]

Originally Posted by nodrog

The possibility of a false flag ET/Alien disclosure is high, but not likely just yet IMO. If ETs are real, benevolent and gathering in our Solar System, I would ask why have they waited so long to intervene if it is agreed that that is their likely intent?

The ET races being referenced have spiritual development that is in parallel to their technological development. They understand very clearly that the majority of souls that are currently incarnated into a person on the planet Earth have come here to learn through the karmic lessons of adversity.

The victim mentality would lead people to believe that we are all under attack from the negative elites and what not. The reality is that most of us chose to come here specifically because it was a rough place to be. The more adversity you encounter the more likely it is that you will evolve spiritually.

If the ETs stepped in to "SAVE" us from our own karmic lessons, then many here would fail to complete learning the things they came here to learn. This is why beings of more spiritually advanced societies are not allowed to interfere here. Even the handful of ET species that have interacted on a "negative" level have been allowed to be here as a result of the karmic lessons that some came here to learn.

This begs the question, "Why are the spiritually advanced species going to show up now?". We are coming to the end of the version of reality where these karmic lessons are still useful to us. The evolution of consciousness is pushing us, whether we are ready for it or not, towards a higher state of consciousness and spiritual understanding.

There are those that have been part of the adversity side of the cosmic school here on Earth that do not want to let go and allow things to progress the way they are supposed to. These forces are supposed to evolve with us and transform. However, some of them are so grounded in material power and greed that they are failing to do so. As a result they are quickly going from being a useful catalyst for the evolution of our souls to becoming an infringement on the free will of our souls.

Therefore, the ET's are now going to be able to show up because they will actually be working with the spiritual laws of the universe instead of against it. Which is what they would have been doing if they had shown up to early.

[Erin]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

They understand very clearly that the majority of souls that are currently incarnated into a person on the planet Earth have come here to learn through the karmic lessons of adversity.

What, in my heart, I have not yet determined is why so many other beautiful innocent creatures of God on this planet are to suffer as a consequence humans' learning.

While I feel that we have an opportunity, before moving, on to address and undo negative karma we may acquire when causing these animals, birds, oceanic creatures, etc. to suffer, they are nonetheless in my heart as equally important to the Creator as humans and are to be treated by us equally. What is in this for them? Why is the predominant/subjective focus on OUR destiny?

[FIIISH]

I have not yet determined is why so many other beautiful innocent creatures of God on this planet are to suffer as a consequence humans' learning.

I believe the Law of One materials states that souls that incarnate as animals are here to work on their evolution and growth as well. Therefore, adversity is part of the experience as a catalyst.

[no caste]

Originally Posted by Erin

What, in my heart, I have not yet determined is why so many other beautiful innocent creatures of God on this planet are to suffer as a consequence humans' learning.

While I feel that we have an opportunity, before moving, on to address and undo negative karma we may acquire when causing these animals, birds, oceanic creatures, etc. to suffer, they are nonetheless in my heart as equally important to the Creator as humans and are to be treated by us equally. What is in this for them? Why is the predominant/subjective focus on OUR destiny?

Erin - I am with you. Humans are not top of the evolutionary heap, as we can't even interpret our environment with our bodies, as other creatures do.

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by no caste

Erin - I am with you. Humans are not top of the evolutionary heap, as we can't even interpret our environment with our bodies, as other creatures do.

me too!!

[orthodoxymoron]

This Big Spiral in the Sky means that We're Screwed!

Consider the 12-07-09 show by Sherri Shriner on http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/ I am not endorsing this...but I think that it is very relevant to this thread...and represents a point of view which is quite unique.

Namaste

[lindabaker]

Has anyone listed the 71 varieties anywhere? I'm sure I've seen links to descriptions and all, but I'd like a Project Avalon member to volunteer to list them for us...should be interesting! I'd just like to read the names and places of origin. Talk about expanding one's horizon!

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by no caste

Erin - I am with you. Humans are not top of the evolutionary heap, as we can't even interpret our environment with our bodies, as other creatures do.

Me too

[Jack]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

The ET races being referenced have spiritual development that is in parallel to their technological development. They understand very clearly that the majority of souls that are currently incarnated into a person on the planet Earth have come here to learn through the karmic lessons of adversity.

The victim mentality would lead people to believe that we are all under attack from the negative elites and what not. The reality is that most of us chose to come here specifically because it was a rough place to be. The more adversity you encounter the more likely it is that you will evolve spiritually.

If the ETs stepped in to "SAVE" us from our own karmic lessons, then many here would fail to complete learning the things they came here to learn. This is why beings of more spiritually advanced societies are not allowed to interfere here. Even the handful of ET species that have interacted on a "negative" level have been allowed to be here as a result of the karmic lessons that some came here to learn.

This begs the question, "Why are the spiritually advanced species going to show up now?". We are coming to the end of the version of reality where these karmic lessons are still useful to us. The evolution of consciousness is pushing us, whether we are ready for it or not, towards a higher state of consciousness and spiritual understanding.

There are those that have been part of the adversity side of the cosmic school here on Earth that do not want to let go and allow things to progress the way they are supposed to. These forces are supposed to evolve with us and transform. However, some of them are so grounded in material power and greed that they are failing to do so. As a result they are quickly going from being a useful catalyst for the evolution of our souls to becoming an infringement on the free will of our souls.

Therefore, the ET's are now going to be able to show up because they will actually be working with the spiritual laws of the universe instead of against it. Which is what they would have been doing if they had shown up to early.

here here.

First class post Tone3

[TRANCOSO]

Has anybody actually seen any of these 7.3 million ships? Are there any reports of amateur star gazers who have (accidently) spotted a mothership? And what are these 81 million ET's doing all day & night? Playing galactic poker & backgammon? Making love with each other? Where do these 71 different species come from? What do they look like? Questions, questions questions...

[tone3jaguar]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

Are there any reports of amateur star gazers who have (accidently) spotted a mothership?

Not exactly star gazers, but the explanation that these where "mysterious weather phenomena" does not hold any weight with me.



These ET's are 4th dimensional. You can only see them when they choose to let you see them.

[nodrog]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

If the ETs stepped in to "SAVE" us from our own karmic lessons, then many here would fail to complete learning the things they came here to learn. This is why beings of more spiritually advanced societies are not allowed to interfere here...

I do feel a little disquieted by this response. I accept your belief as simply that - your belief. However, the karmic answer avoids responsibility for the suffering of others when perhaps it might be in our power to relieve it. In our own history, this has been used to justify the misfortunes of others as simply the "way things are" or "God's will" which might be another, equally convenient avoidance. ET's are restricted by whom? Some form of government? A common belief in universal karma? Is this the prevailing ET faith?

Perhaps you view my comments as primitive or childish, but my understanding does not easily embrace information that is not first hand. My limited perceptions rarely if ever go beyond the five senses.

I consider the biblical story of the Samaritan (moral: lend assistance to others if it is in your power to do so) to be ethically superior to the idea that one is to allow another's suffering to persist for the sake of their karma. Do I walk away when I see someone who has been mugged because I might disrupt their chosen karma? I find the affirmative to be somewhat difficult to justify to myself.

If I have overstated your position here then you have my apologies in advance, but perhaps you could enlighten me further?

Simply put, I would have little respect for an ET civilization that avoids or prohibits the principles embraced by the term "love your neighbor".

Kind regards, nodrog.

[TempestGarden]

Originally Posted by nodrog

My limited perceptions rarely if ever go beyond the five senses.

Which is why, I feel, it's going to be difficult for you two to understand each other's perspectives. You are both looking at the same topic from completely different ends of the spectrum.

[nodrog]

Originally Posted by TempestGarden

Which is why, I feel, it's going to be difficult for you two to understand each other's perspectives. You are both looking at the same topic from completely different ends of the spectrum.

Agreed, but seeing things differently makes communication interesting.



Kind regards, nodrog.

[tone3jaguar]

Erin - I am with you. Humans are not top of the evolutionary heap, as we can't even interpret our environment with our bodies, as other creatures do.

Actually we can, however the paradigms that are set into our core beliefs when young prevent most of us from ever discovering just how clear and strong our instincts are. The animals do not have better instincts, they just do not know any better.

[tone3jaguar]

The Salusa channeled info is interesting to listen to. Just like all channeled info, you must use your discernment. No such thing as 100% accurate channeled info. Nevertheless, I have been listening to these Salusa Channelings because they seem to be congruent with the dowsing data. This one explains why the details of what will happen are being held back from me and others in conscious contact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt8dYf0c1-s

[tone3jaguar]

Here we go, explain this one away. This has got to be the coolest thing ever caught on camera and it was on the Nightly News!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Totally f---ing awesome!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKL0Z5TDZ0o

Update, 12/10/09

Number of mother ships parked near Earth = 13,454

Number of the mother ships that are supply ships = 7,212

Number of craft parked in the mother ships = 9,126,223

Number of species of ETs currently involved = 71

Number of total ETs aboard all of these ships = 93,214,723

Number of Species of ETs that the Pasarions say will eventually be involved = 71

[tone3jaguar]

here is a similar craft from Russia back in January

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2icG...eature=related

[Jnana]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

here is a similar craft from Russia back in January

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2icG...eature=related

Looks like another failed rocket launch to me. Plume, stage separation at about 12 seconds, next stage is bad and goes out of control in spiral fashion. The plume looks very much like the videos I remember of many NASA launches and is typical of what the second stage looked like. The stage separation is also very typical of stage separations in these videos. The spinning could be due to any number of factors, but probably involves the control system sending the rocket nozzle hard over to one side because of a sensor or actuator failure. Like balancing a broom stick vertically in your hand, once it gets a little bit too far off to one side, there is no recovery.

[joe2288]

Ok so im confused what is this spiral thing a rocket or something else

[no caste]

Originally Posted by joe2288

Ok so im confused what is this spiral thing a rocket or something else

Kind of like pyrotechnics IMO.



If it was Bluebeam, I am very disappointed. I expected something more spectacular, like what I've seen at the local international fireworks competition.

Now there's some great stuff

[tone3jaguar]

People would have been able to hear the rocket, plus rockets have contrails of smoke not blue plasma.

[Jnana]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

People would have been able to hear the rocket, plus rockets have contrails of smoke not blue plasma.

Most of what is in the videos appears to be out of the atmosphere. The distance to the launch point is unknown but could easily be many miles and once the rocket is out of the atmosphere sound will not carry.

Look at the full set of photos available. The blue is probably from a leak of unburned fuel or oxidizer. The white is rocket exhaust. Both are illuminated by the sun which is just over the horizon rather than self-luminous (note the red glow of sunrise near the horizon). In later pictures, both are still around but are becoming more diffuse like a cloud of droplets or smoke would. They don't just "switch off".

Norway spiral pictures on Gizmodo

I was really hoping this was some great cosmic mystery, but instead it is just the Russians giving new meaning to the word "screw up" (7 of 13 Bulava missile launches have failed). If it were some mystery, this might actually be on-topic!

[tone3jaguar]

Update, 12/12/09

Number of mother ships parked near Earth = 14,121

Number of the mother ships that are supply ships = 7,874

Number of craft parked in the mother ships = 10,021,322

Number of species of ETs currently involved = 71

Number of total ETs aboard all of these ships = 99,821,333

Number of Species of ETs that the Pasarions say will eventually be involved = 71

[Instead]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

Update, 12/12/09
Number of total ETs aboard all of these ships = 99,821,333

I got 99 problems and a glitch ain't 1.