Are you a part of the New Age Movement?

beren · 12-14-2009, 11:43 PM

What do you mean about new age movement?

In reality there are no new movements , just age old stuff with new names in order to lure new unexperienced souls...

Truth was and is always the same but people are fluctuating and sailing up and down.

No matter what do we personally think, truth is truth, like it or not.

Shadowstalker · 12-14-2009, 11:59 PM

that's true the old way are once again the new ways, way before the idea of the church came along.. I am so glad i was not the only one to see this...

In my eyes any organization (Church) that states that you have to conform in any manner such as it does in one form or another (any one god) is the new false church and have false profits.. It's just what I have experienced and observed through out my life, I never felt safe in a church, I always felt like there was acid dripping on me,

I know i probably open Pandoras box with that last statement, it is not meant to start an argument or anything like that, But I also know that I am not the only person who has experienced this.

New Age Messiah · 12-15-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadowstalker

I never felt safe in a church, I always felt like there was acid dripping on me,

I know i probably open Pandoras box with that last statement, it is not meant to start an argument or anything like that, But I also know that I am not the only person who has experienced this.

Don't worry, I proved the religion false, so you can say it with DIVINE authority.

beren · 12-15-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadowstalker

that's true the old way are once again the new ways, way before the idea of the church came along.. I am so glad i was not the only one to see this...

In my eyes any organization (Church) that states that you have to conform in any manner such as it does in one form or another (any one god) is the new false church and have false profits.. It's just what I have experienced and observed through out my life, I never felt safe in a church, I always felt like there was acid dripping on me,

I know i probably open Pandoras box with that last statement, it is not meant to start an argument or anything like that, But I also know that I am not the only person who has experienced this.

I explained before on other threads that religions are man made forms of slavery and control. That is the very thing Jesus Christ was fighting against.

I often see many people who are not honest, honest to themselves.
Personally it does not affect me, the other people`s choices but I can not help but wonder why do people still eagerly wish to sugar coat the truth???
That is why new movements are springing like mushrooms after rain ... People don` t want to grow up but wish the planet for them selves... No can do

Creator wish to be not mocked around.

When we will grow up?

beren · 12-15-2009, 12:23 AM

Shadowstalker,

Why do you stalk shadows???

It`s no fun since they always escape!!!

Shadowstalker · 12-15-2009, 06:35 AM

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Shadowstalker,

Why do you stalk shadows???

It`s no fun since they always escape!!!

It's more of a spirit name maybe i will explain how i got it and why i kept it some other time

Northern Boy · 12-15-2009, 06:52 AM

arcora

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not gonna miss you

What makes you think I`ll be going anywhere soon ?

New Age Messiah · 12-15-2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by beren

I explained before on other threads that religions are man made forms of slavery and control. That is the very thing Jesus Christ was fighting against.

I think it's a made up story.

Like, Paul's writings predate the gospels by a generation, and he doesn't mention anything Jesus taught, doesn't mention a virgin birth, and really, says absolutely zilch about Jesus' life.

It stands to reason, simply logically, that if Jesus was born of a virgin, and was a great teacher, and lived a remarkable life, Paul would have deferred to Jesus teachings, and talked about his life, but he didn't even mention them. And Paul would have mentioned the virgin birth, but he didn't... Why not?

The "kingdom of god" back then was an independent Israeli state. Jesus was a kingdom of god zealot, against Roman rule, and they killed him. There were tons of people claiming to be a messiah, tons of people looking for a messiah, so it was a ripe time for a messiah.

So once everyone was long gone, like a hundred years after Jesus was dead, or so, they wrote the Jesus story, virgin birth and teachings, minimal teachings, really, and nothing really special. They say he was born of a virgin and all that, just like similar stories that had been told of other deities in other cultures.

Christianity is a false religion, it always has been.

14 Chakras · 12-15-2009, 12:35 AM

Beautiful thing about Life here, so many different opinions, so many different kinds of students from so many different kinds of backgrounds ~

I guess the real test for all of us however is the same ~

Can we always respond with unconditional Love and still shine our Light and Be?

When we can do this: We are Masters

beren · 12-15-2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

I think it's a made up story.

Like, Paul's writings predate the gospels by a generation, and he doesn't mention anything Jesus taught, doesn't mention a virgin birth, and really, says absolutely zilch about Jesus' life.

It stands to reason, simply logically, that if Jesus was born of a virgin, and was a great teacher, and lived a remarkable life, Paul would have deferred to Jesus teachings, and talked about his life, but he didn't even mention them. And Paul would have mentioned the virgin birth, but he didn't... Why not?

The "kingdom of god" back then was an independent Israeli state. Jesus was a kingdom of god zealot, against Roman rule, and they killed him. There were tons of people claiming to be a messiah, tons of people looking for a messiah, so it was a ripe time for a messiah.

So once everyone was long gone, like a hundred years after Jesus was dead, or so, they wrote the Jesus story, virgin birth and teachings, minimal teachings, really, and nothing really special. They say he was born of a virgin and all that, just like similar stories that had been told of other deities in other cultures.

Christianity is a false religion, it always has been.

I don` think it`s made up story. I think it is mis used story . People ( majority) tend to live life on automatic mode without research for their own good. Because of that, many lies were placed in the name of Christ and Christianity...

Look at this at this way;

Christ means Messiah, meaning Saviour( holy)

Christian means Saviour too.

Means if some one is real Christian , he/she is holy in their life resembling Christ and God.

How many people are like that???

Few .
Why?

They are not genuine and honest since that is one of the main things.
You can never be one with Father and Christ if you are not one with them in spirit of love, truth, honesty justice and wisdom.

You can call yourself whatever you want, do many deeds but be not surprised that God and Christ will not know you... Why?
Since you missed the core point...

Christ said: " depart from me, I never knew you! "

Many claim but also many does not know Christ and all that he represent.

New Age Messiah · 12-15-2009, 01:16 AM

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I don` think it`s made up story.

I think it is made up. Like what happened at the tomb is different depending what gospel you read. What he said on the cross is different, too.

And scholars agree that the teachings of Jesus, the sayings and stuff, were already around before he lived.

Paul's writings physically predate the gospels by 50 +/- years, I think.

The oldest gospel accounts, the copies we HAVE, were physically written WAY after the facts could have been checked.

It's unfathomable for Christians that their religion could be false, but obvious that all other religions are false. That's the same with all religions, same mentality, that's why they all have to go away, for there to be a New Age.

Yes, I am part of the New Age Movement.

beren · 12-15-2009, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

I think it is made up. Like what happened at the tomb is different depending what gospel you read. What he said on the cross is different, too.

And scholars agree that the teachings of Jesus, the sayings and stuff, were already around before he lived.

Paul's writings physically predate the gospels by 50 +/- years, I think.

The oldest gospel accounts, the copies we HAVE, were physically written WAY after the facts could have been checked.

It's unfathomable for Christians that their religion could be false, but obvious that all other religions are false. That's the same with all religions, same mentality, that's why they all have to go away, for there to be a New Age.

Yes, I am part of the New Age Movement.

I don`t think it`s made up since there are more evidence related to Christ than to most of regular history person such as Constantine, Carlo the great, Napoleon and others.
I was digging for that evidences and they are there, but heavily suppressed by Vatican , and countries.
Why, they don`t want people to find evidence that support truth.
Hence fore people are disillusioned...

I respect your choice.

But search for evidence instead of second hand facts found in the mainstream .It`s n=bended and twisted to bring confusion.

Shame people don`t have access to libraries across the world and their books, especially old ones.

New Age Messiah · 12-15-2009, 01:41 AM

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But search for evidence instead of second hand facts found in the mainstream.

I think a guy lived, that was in the line of David, that was a kingdom of god zealot in a movement to overthrow Roman rule, and the Romans crucified him.

The evidence is that it's a made up story, because like I say, Paul didn't breathe a word about Jesus teachings or his virgin birth, or his life story at all.

All Paul taught was the CONCEPT of messiah, what it meant, and he TOTALLY disagreed with the apostles, and the "church" from day one has been a conflict ridden mess.

Since what happened at the tomb is completely different, factually, in one gospel than it is in another, OBVIOUSLY someone is making stuff up, right???? Right. Somebody made it up, just like somebody made up what he said on the cross.

My thinking is that it is ALL made up. The gist, what happened on the cross, and at the tomb, was rumored, and so the rumors spread and became sort of different, one form the other.

If it was the word of God in any way whatsoever, it would not conflict. You can't say it's inspired, but has conflicting accounts of actual bellweather events.

It's just that kind of swampy talk and blurring of lines that makes the religion like a virus, kind of, where no matter what you say about it, it mutates.

No two people understand it the same, so you can't address it.

But my story proves it false.

Heretic · 12-15-2009, 03:59 AM

I hear some asking questions concerning the new age movement on this thread and in what context WS was using this term in a slanderous fashion. I cant say for certain I will represent this well as I will try to be brief and summarize this as best I can because this subject alone could fill books. (disclaimer - these are my thoughts...I am no authority on the matter, please dont take offense to anything written here or feel I am trying to pigeon hole anyone into any set belief system ( I don't know you) - I am just reporting the dialectic here - thanks)

on a side note: I have researched alot of material in this area of cultural/social development since the 70s and it is very very convoluted and there are so many movements happening simultaneously now that I can simply no longer keep track of what is happening....who is who...and what is dangerous and what is not (it was much easier int he 70s). So in the end I have come to the conclusion that both of these schools of thought are defiantly not mutually exclusive at all...I think they are both happening at the same time. This makes perfect sense because it makes it that much harder to pinpoint what exactly is happening.

but I digress: onward

There has in the past, when Avalon first opened, been many arguments and heated debates concerning a conflict between the two main schools of thought concerning the new age movement. If you go some searching, digging, and rummage through the "Spirituality" forum on Avalon you can go read them for yourself and find many well researched and well presented threads on this matter and the debate that ensues from them.

The two schools of thought are:

1) Aliens are really the demons of old who are now appearing in a form (perhaps even their true form) that will allow them to be accepted by us unwittingly, with open arms an fully cooperating with them in what ever plans they have for us....disguised in the form of helping us save ourselves from ourselves. Now laugh if you will but there are many references in many of the sacred texts around the world that support and warn against such deceptions by such creatues. for instance - Stargates which have been recently brought into the equation as well as jump rooms and such lead credence to some of the passages in Revelations and other eschatology concerning the influx of demons and otherworldly creatures (ie the bottomless pit mentioned in revelations concerning the 7 trumpets etc etc.) that will wreak havoc on the world. To many these things have been prophecies to come to pass. And were you to step into their world and wear their shoes...it certainly seems it could have some merit.)

anyone who knows about channeling and the inherit dangers therein must admit there is real spiritual entities who would like nothing more than to cause us harm and wreak havoc, and have no remorse in doing so. Thus you will find many people in this school of thought who are convinced that ALL aliens are bad, deceivers and such etc etc)

Stop an think about it a moment. From the fundamental Christian viewpoint the whole UFO/Alien ideology alone flies in the face of their core belief system even in tandem of recent positive upgrades to the Christian perspective concerning a geocentric relationship between the creator and life itself as becoming obsolete. Now add to that a scenario in which we invite ETs down here to live/work alongside us in a quest to "re-structure" this broken system we have been living under, to re-invent the world into a better place for all...complete with gifts of telepathy and other physic upgrades is a really ripe situation for a deceptive take-over, asked for an allowed by the fooled masses which, according to most eschatology, will be most everyone but the "enlightened".

To add fuel to that fire...much of the terminology and influence you enjoy in this new era of enlightenment is not new at all...but has been handed down via an engineered movement called the new age movement that started moving fast in the late 1800s early 1900s...and can be traced back as far as the late 1700s by the likes of Alice Baily, Helena Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society (too many to list...but if you want to research...start with these guys) in association with the likes of Alister Crowley and alot of Nazi influence later on....to culminate into a purposeful artificial "upgrade" to most of the major world religions which started shortly after the end of WWII, which would allow an easier "melding" of the theologies into a one world religion of secularism and bland scientific viewpoint of old world religions. This one world religion will be a vehicle that will ease the transition towards a new world order as well....all of the pillars of life will become new and improved, and it will seem as thought it all came from the masses when much of it has been and prob still being engineered. Hey...some claim they did it with Christianity....do you think they couldn't do it again in these modern times? Some believe that is what is happening now.

Many who are alarmed by this notion see the zeitgeist movement as one of the most organized of the attacks on the old world religions and one of the first worldwide viral attacks by the nefarious entities behind the "engineered new age movement" to replace all religions and bring in a new era that would fulfill Lucifer's plans to dominate the world as the world cheers him on. One of the main characteristics of the engineered new age movement is the introductions of MASTERS and WORLD TEACHERS here to continue our education in spiritual matters, new spiritual leaders to replace the spot Jesus held during the Piscean age, while being passed the messiah torch to carry on the good work.

Some of the main characters are Saint Germain, El Morya, and a host of ASCENDED MASTERS joined in a unified front known as the GREAT WHITE BROTHERHOOD, containing world teachers and gurus gathered from all of the world religions (Jesus has been demoted to ascended master status in their eyes now instead of a GOD, lord....sitting on the throne in heaven etc etc) so all cultures will be able to relate and celebrate this new religion that includes elements of all...much like the how Constantinople did at Nicene with the inclusion of many pagan rituals and holidays to please the masses with the new Christianity (if you are familiar with the story - I don't know for sure what happened...I wasn't there).

So you can see how threatened many are and will be when we are to have...a new Jesus figure....the idea that we are Gods and no longer need to look to one as a creator source....that we are all co-creators - is very threatening to the old ways. An upgrade to some...while a abomination to others.

The fundamental flaw in this IMHO - it is unwise to make a blanket statement that ALL aliens are bad...that as we have gotten to the point where it is almost ludicrous to ignore the fact there the universe is teaming with life...intelligent life, and could be visiting here...or already living here among us. Yet if you are a bible thump-er at heart...you are probably as paranoid as a cat in a rocking chair factory right about now. it is probably no accident that this engineered movement which has been culminated and is now converging right at this point in history when TRUE first contact and GOV disclosure and the unveiling of 70 years of lies is imminent.

Which brings us to the second main school of thought:

2) this will be much easier to relate because we are all a part of it and have been immersed in it, are dissecting it, have been living it for decades now. We are indeed approaching a new age. We have 2012, the age of Aquarius, new age enlightenment and so many other exciting and world changing views coming to focus of the mass consciousness of this planet. We are in the midst of a great awakening that makes the Renascence pale by comparison. We are in the midst of a point of know return scenario and engineered or not the outcome is uncertain and in the hands of the masses as it seems WE will be the deciding factor in all of this. Depopulation takes on a whole new meaning in this context doesn't it?

As Wilcock puts it well...a convergence.

While I do not prescribe to the alarmist viewpoint, it is prudent to understand that we here...are on the front lines as far as the population goes, cutting edge understanding, with the white hats fighting for us behind the curtain and a real and verifiable threat of dark sinister forces trying to not only maintain their control of the sheep, but to tighten their grip and do what ever they can to make managing us even more the easier, we are probably the most vulnerable to attack by these guys as it will be (IS) our views and understanding that will bleed out to the mass consciousness network.

Perhaps this is why there are so many other races/species interested in our drama as it will ultimately effect them as well, or already has in the future. Most of the "contact" that was made during the 1800s and 1900s that spawned the desire/need to engineer a spiritual movement of this magnitude was done so through channeling, seances, spirit guides, occult ritual etc etc and some of the pictures drawn of spirit guides and MAHATMAS, by those involved, look very very reptilian.

As I said above...I think both scenarios are happening simultaneously and are so intertwined that I can no longer make heads or tails of all the new stuff. There is so much channeling, contactees, abductions, and other related info coming out that is happening and has been for years that incredible things have now become the "normal background noise" an no longer stands out against what used to be the mundane. Thus cognitive dissonance has now become an almost prerequisite to discovering any truths. this is why it is so difficult to start out studying this information. I think that is no accident.

hope this helps on understanding the negative aspects of all of this, and I feel confident that this is what WS was refering to when the used the term "new age movement"

peace

Initiate · 12-15-2009, 02:07 AM

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I think it is made up. Like what happened at the tomb is different depending what gospel you read. What he said on the cross is different, too.

And scholars agree that the teachings of Jesus, the sayings and stuff, were already around before he lived.

Paul's writings physically predate the gospels by 50 +/- years, I think.

The oldest gospel accounts, the copies we HAVE, were physically written WAY after the facts could have been checked.

It's unfathomable for Christians that their religion could be false, but obvious that all other religions are false. That's the same with all religions, same mentality, that's why they all have to go away, for there to be a New Age.

Yes, I am part of the New Age Movement.

I fail to see how the following messages can be false in any religion

Matthew 7:12
12 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Is not this the law of attraction?

This Universal Law demonstrates how we create the things, events, and people that come into our lives. Our thoughts, feelings, words, and actions produce energies which, in turn, attract like energies. Negative energies attract negative energies and positive energies attract positive energies.

Mathew 6:33

But let your first care be for his kingdom and his righteousness; and all these other things will be given to you in addition.

Jesus meant that the kingdom of heaven dwelt within our hearts and this can be seen in the other teachings. If we seek our own kingdom and rightiousness then all the rest will be given.

Is this not where "new age" asks that we go within?

Much of the new teaching has taken the old teaching and made it apply to the modern day man. What is in the bible and the imagery in it relates to the people and times of when it was written. Although a lot of the imagery also transcends time and is applicable. what is important is that we use discernment to put what is presented into context and then we find really there is nothing new.

You have to realise that when Jesus walked the streets of Jeruselum that the streets stunk of burning animals. In those days man thought the only way to be free of guilt for ones "sins" was to burn an animal and preform certain rituals. Jesus came to set the record strait and did a damn good job. Of course since his death man has taken that going to church every sunday is enough to be free of guilt. But a true Christian will know that this is not correct if he truely understood the message. Much of new age philosophy is I believe the true message made clear for the modern man to understand.

I'm not trying to preach here. What I want to get across is that it is not the Word that is false. It is man's interpretation and then application that has been false because he has chosen to use the word for personal gain rather than understanding and following the true teaching within. It's not a bad book and for many they have understood it.

Sorry for ranting...

Initiate.