Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?

[TRANCOSO]

PA is the only forum of sorts with an avarage 90 - 100 members online, apart from the 250 - 300 guests.
I'm actually amazed about the few trolls there are, since it became a 'free' forum again.

I've had an argument with the moderators once, and I can assure you that you really have to f#ck things up, to get banned.

Even when we disagree, we are quite friendly towards eachother, which isn't always easy.

I like PA more than a lot because of that.

If real life society was like PA, the world would be better off than it is now.

The fact that the moderators joined the discussion on this thread, says enough.

We, as members, are Project Avalon, and we should keep in mind that we can be an example for the rest of the world, how things can be.

[morguana]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

PA is the only forum of sorts with an avarage 90 - 100 members online, apart from the 250 - 300 guests.
I'm actually amazed about the few trolls there are, since it became a 'free' forum again.

I've had an argument with the moderators once, and I can assure you that you really have to f#ck things up, to get banned.

Even when we disagree, we are quite friendly towards eachother, which isn't always easy.

I like PA more than a lot because of that.

If real life society was like PA, the world would be better off than it is now.

The fact that the moderators joined the discussion on this thread, says enough.

We, as members, are Project Avalon, and we should keep in mind that we can be an example for the rest of the world, how things can be.

thank you transco for your supportive words, and yes we try every other avenue before anyone has their subscription deactivated. we dont like to ban folk, but sometimes for the integrity of the forum we do have to unfortunatly take action. i would rather that folk were honest and compassionate towards each other and able to self moderate.....but sometimes that doesnt happen . sometimes we just get a few folk who are out to cause trouble and that is not conducive to the over all energy of this special place.......
i became a mod to help out because i love this place, i care greatly for folk here and not to ban or delete threads (but sometimes it has to be done).

love to you all
m x

[Phtha]

The trolls cant handle the strong love trills that thrill the air here.
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Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

PA is the only forum of sorts with an avarage 90 - 100 members online, apart from the 250 - 300 guests.
I'm actually amazed about the few trolls there are, since it became a 'free' forum again.

[burgundia]

The thing about Franciejones makes me think...

[gibonos]

@carol

That being said, my view is that electronic emails belong to the receiver of the email not the sender,

Totally disagree!!
It's like saying someone told you a secret (in person) and from that moment it's yours to do whatever you want with it. If it's pm it's between 2 people.
I guess bill posted evidence here to cut speculation, btw it's a different ball game when you post and get banned than get banned and proof is shown.

gibonos

[Ammit]

I fully understand that something was said or done to have this chap/chapess banned, I dont believe any real details should be disclosed to backup a reason for it.

Nor do I believe that Bill should have displayed details as he did. I know it was probably done to quiet the apparent anger here but, personal details no matter what they are should remain private.

However what is done, is done...

Lets hope no more private information gets disclosed by anyone, visitor, member or founder as this would only lead to a distrust situation.

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by Ammit

I fully understand that something was said or done to have this chap/chapess banned, I dont believe any real details should be disclosed to backup a reason for it.

Nor do I believe that Bill should have displayed details as he did. I know it was probably done to quiet the apparent anger here but, personal details no matter what they are should remain private.

However what is done, is done...

Lets hope no more private information gets disclosed by anyone, visitor, member or founder as this would only lead to a distrust situation.

I agree to a point Ammit.......Info was displayed to damn someone....not to exonerate.

We are a paranoid bunch...or we would not be here.

I've had folks reveal things to me and I go ...TMI !!!!!!!!!!!

I guess in the end.....We have to follow along with what the owner wants and believe what we are told.

It's a hard pill to swallow here and elsewhere

Peace

[seeingterra]

Lol mods, I get the PM rule, but the post you deleted was actually something kinsuemei2 gave me for publishing, and does in fact have a copy on PLW, should I rather quote from there then instead of the PM who got the exact same message?

Just wondering..

[TruthWillSetUFree]

IMO when a person INTENTIONALLY goes to such great lengths of being deceitful and dishonest he/she has forfeited their right to their privacy, in this instance their IP addresses.

If you are presenting yourself honestly here one should have nothing to hide or be dishonest about

I think the new paradigm is about situational ethics instead of the old paradigm of being black or white.

What may be valid in one instance may not be in a similar one and should be evaluated in a case by case basis.

I think this is what was done here with mr can sue me too..LOL that was a good one, as all aspects of his behavior were considered before banning


Truth

[Juno]

Originally Posted by TruthWillSetUFree

IMO when a person INTENTIONALLY goes to such great lengths of being deceitful and dishonest he/she has forfeited their right to their privacy, in this instance their IP addresses.

If you are presenting yourself honestly here one should have nothing to hide or be dishonest about

no no no no no....

if you know anything about computer security, an IP address is akin to a physical street address. it is the address of that person's computer. any pre-teen with a freeware port scanner can figure out how to get inside.

BILL knows this...

so...

it is like BILL saying 'i have determined this guy to be no good, he lives at 123 main st, anytown USA, go to his house, rattle his doors and windows, see which is unlocked and mess with him'.

so again...

WHY would BILL do this?

sticking with my earlier assessment....

it's a setup. the house is booby-trapped. also known as a honeypot in IT circles.

proceed at your own risk.

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by Juno

SNIPPED
so again...
WHY would BILL do this?
sticking with my earlier assessment....
it's a setup. the house is booby-trapped. also known as a honeypot in IT circles.
proceed at your own risk.

So...err let me think.

Bill has concocted a whole factious elaborate scenario to have people go to one particular computer.... for?

The banned guy deliberately got himself banned in the hope Bill would publish the IP so he could hack all computers going to his computer?

Your logic is unsound. Your motives are unclear. I am tempted to speculate but I don't have access to critical information

[Juno]

Originally Posted by SteveX

So...err let me think.

Bill has concocted a whole factious elaborate scenario to have people go to one particular computer.... for?

The banned guy deliberately got himself banned in the hope Bill would publish the IP so he could hack all computers going to his computer?

Your logic is unsound. Your motives are unclear. I am tempted to speculate but I don't have access to critical information

no, logic not flawed.

you don't know how the internet works. that's ok.

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by Juno

no, logic not flawed.

you don't know how the internet works. that's ok.

Awe! now I'm feeling all-inadequate. I'm even getting a little paranoid because I don't really know how the Internet works.

Ok lets try another track. What possible motive would Bill have for enticing his subscribers to go to potential trap?

If he had a motive then that means the guy that got banned is in on the whole scheme.... or this whole thing is an elaborate scenario?

[Juno]

Originally Posted by SteveX

Awe! now I'm feeling all-inadequate. I'm even getting a little paranoid because I don't really know how the Internet works.

Ok lets try another track. What possible motive would Bill have for enticing his subscribers to go to potential trap?

If he had a motive then that means the guy that got banned is in on the whole scheme.... or this whole thing is an elaborate scenario?

btw..wasn't being insulting. for the record, i don't even know how ALL of it works....

and yeah...

seems crazy, doesn't it?

but this is some crazy stuff we're mixed up in

peace...out...

@jack

please don't misquote me. honest mistake, i know.

[eleni]

Nope, as someone involved from the begining in this mess, I can honestly say and verify Bill R did not create this- he just took action against what he feels is false information.

Bill actually was steering clear of this story from the get-go.

[Jack]

Originally Posted by Juno

btw..wasn't being insulting. for the record, i don't even know how ALL of it works....
and yeah...seems crazy, doesn't it? but this is some crazy stuff we're mixed up in peace...out...@jack please don't misquote me. honest mistake, i know.

woops, sorry your right.

[Céline]

i can not believe this thread is still going..

[Agape]

Originally Posted by Céline

i can not believe this thread is still going..

When I appear they'll lock it soon don't worry


Hugs

A

[SteveX]

Juno

Phew... Thank gawd for that. At least both of us don't know how the internet works. Supposition could be by plain simple honest facts.

[Agape]

Originally Posted by SteveX

Awe! now I'm feeling all-inadequate. I'm even getting a little paranoid because I don't really know how the Internet works.

Ok lets try another track. What possible motive would Bill have for enticing his subscribers to go to potential trap?

If he had a motive then that means the guy that got banned is in on the whole scheme.... or this whole thing is an elaborate scenario?

Good morning . Excuse me mixing to the debate .

I do understand Junos' point. There could be more to the guy ( Kinsuemei2) than we know, or will ever know. Information, disinformation, conspiracy source , etc. Or just a big foolishness , that's enough to say ..
Can you or me find out, no. I'm not a hacker. I can hack to your mind but not to your computer Even the first thing I'd not do without serious reasons.

But those working for agencies and against them, do not share the same moral views, do they. They can have a look to all our computers without we ever notice .

From my angle of perspective, but that's personal, someone boasting about being 'supersoldier' here, presenting traumatizing info , starting from having cancer and going to die , is feeling offensive .
Unfortunatelly, there are some big boys and girls who have nothing better to do than asign themselves heroic roles and think that they'll move world in their 'avatars' clothes.

The sad chance is that this type of personality Kinsuemei2 has exhibited shows he was abused one way or another but it points to chronical lier as well.

Showing compassion to such a person only means that he/she will supply you with new complicate reasons and stories of what's going on . That's why, unless you KNOW better than me, I advice you not to contact him.

There is one good reason why Bill has posted
his computer IP I believe . The type of people he is often go from one board to another presenting weird stories , this is likely to repeat .

Or make everyone think little better. Teachers come in disguise, sometimes..


Just my few cents. I was shocked when I've read the first posting about Kinsuenmei & cancer. Thought, why on earth people do not react to this, why they do not ask. Are we all so afraid of one another .
In a way we are ..

Good morning again


A

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by Agape

There is one good reason why Bill has posted his computer IP I believe . The type of people he is often go from one board to another presenting weird stories , this is likely to repeat .

This is what I alluded to when replying to Stargazer1965 (near top of page).

[Agape]

Originally Posted by SteveX

This is what I alluded to when replying to Stargazer1965 (near top of page).

That's right and again I'm sorry to stirr this debate . But I think that for spreading lies on site of this type ( not a kids sci-fi game forum, correct ?) ,
he's not received any bad treatment.

And, he;s just step or two behind some less transparent, well established names and figures who almost make their living from similar claims, publish 'authentic' testimonies , go conferencing , create cults ...websites etc.

A

[Carol]

Agape is correct in the assessment pertaining to Kinsuemei's behavior. Lying and putting up false fronts is just not right, creates confusion, leads to unnecessary stress and adds to the disinformation that is already out there. His story was fascinating but now we don't know if it was all fabrication or if there were some kernels of truth in it. He totally undermined himself and destroyed the trust that others gave to him thinking he was originally telling the truth. Whether he was abused or not isn't the issue. I know lots of folks who have been abused and have gone on to do very positive things in their lives. The issue is how he chooses to present himself in the world (on forums) and what type of relationships he will have as a result of his behavior. I don't think badly of Kinsuemei. I feel sorry for him and what he subsequently will be missing out on here in this forum. However, I am disappointed that he choose to snooker us because when all is said and done it just goes to show he didn't respect us enough to be honest from the onset.

[swordsmith]

Originally Posted by Carol

... it just goes to show he didn't respect us enough to be honest from the onset.

did not respect HIMSELF enough . Sad, but this is what happens on forums . A lot of self haters get their kicks making stuff up. Delusions of grandeur and all that.

[morguana]

hi we are closing this thread for now, its abit like driving on the spagetti junction.....going round and round and not really getting anywhere ....so sorry folks
love
m x