Where's the proof of re-incarnation and past lives…

[Stardustaquarion]

For what is worth I have memories of many past lives, worlds that are not similar to this one, waterworlds, lives in Sirius B and beyond this universe, traveling in plasma ships, visiting other worlds

I often get movies in my mind that are so vivid almost tangible, perhaps one day I will write about them

It gives me hope to know that there are other places where life is loving, soft and co-creative

Love to all
PS I actualy think all lives are happening at the same time

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Peace of mind

...but I haven't seen any proof to re-incarnation or past lives...just opinionated beliefs.

what is the alternatives


we dont know much so we believe alot

what we believe are important

because we become what we believe


how would we in the world look like

if the common belief is

we only live once


it's a recipe for chaos



on that note alone we should not harbor such thoughts


the ones who believe in either heaven or hell after this one earth life

do not have to bother with any belief in reincarnation

there is no spiritual boons in believeing it


but another point is all the child prodigies

and the tales from people with past life flashes


at last we have the teachings of spiritual scriptures


so the evidence for reincarnation is pretty solid

if one wants to make a case against it

the burden of proof is on you lol

[Harper]

I'm nobody! Who are you?
Are you nobody, too?
Then there's a pair of us - don't tell!
They'd banish us, you know!


How dreary to be somebody!
How public like a frog
To tell one's name the livelong day
To an admiring bog!

--- emily dickenson certainly had a glimps into somewhere else

The live long day I just noticed from a previous post today was a little subconscious honour my the lady poet. Sorry whenever I write a poem it tends to kill the post, dont understand? But I will enliven these wonderful outlooks if I am the culprit

[Frank Samuel]

Reincarnation for me from my past lives just tells me I committed many, many, many mistakes specially prejudging others. I could never consider myself special for I know all of us are equal even alien beings. One aspect of reincarnation that humble me was realizing that not all our lives are full of love but quite the opposite, so this perhaps is one reason why sometimes we cannot recollect our previous lives you simply block it. Living in the now is important because the here and now is what matters most to be responsible for our own actions and to create a better world around us. So yes I agree if you sized the moment while you have a physical body you can advance spiritually at a much faster rate than if you did not. I have a lot to learn and each day I make an effort to do just that a million years can go by and I think I would still feel like I am still learning for it is an infinite task without end.

[Moxie]

xbusymom wrote: "since WE are all individual expressions/ facets of the ONE Source, any past lives of "you-in-a-different-body" is simply a connecting to the same vibrational "issue/lesson" of other people/other times..."

We both must be brilliant as this has occurred to me as well!
That, and, thoughts that come into your awareness, I'm sure that many are not my own, know what I mean? Man, there are some really "sick" thoughts that infiltrate my awareness.<<< excuse me, but please leave, thank you very much!

I've OFTEN for many years, wondered where thoughts come from.... consciousness being all that is makes we Wonder! Come to think, others may be infiltrating!!!

And here in Avalon, many are simply sharing their experiences... we know we cannot prove that we love you anymore than more fetching claims.

[xbusymom]

Originally Posted by Moxie

We both must be brilliant as this has occurred to me as well!
That, and, thoughts that come into your awareness, I'm sure that many are not my own, know what I mean? Man, there are some really "sick" thoughts that infiltrate my awareness.<<< excuse me, but please leave, thank you very much!

I've OFTEN for many years, wondered where thoughts come from.... consciousness being all that is makes we Wonder! Come to think, others may be infiltrating!!!

I am not sure what you mean in your post, but it would be very interesting to take a look at our original sources of information (* and how we came to believe -and now tout what we have absorbed as “MY TRUTH”), as well as look at what was lacking in our “family libraries” and we were not exposed to (regarding to what other families felt was the norm).

(*did that make sense? I think I am having half of a brain-fart by now*)

anyway...

I started reading- as a pre-teen – a couple of books by Dick (Richard) Sutphen [“past lives, future loves” and “you were born again to be together”], and followed along with my parents study group material (which happened to be “A Search for God” using the Edgar Cayce stuff collected by the Area for Research and Enlightenment (A.R.E.) foundation in Virginia Beach; as well as many of Richard Bach’s books- [Jonathan Livingston Seagull, One, Illusions, etc.]. In the early years of my first marriage, I was heavy into the entire collection of Robert Heinlein, and the teen books by Madeleine L’Engle [the “Wrinkle in Time” trilogy].

(*hmmm... I think I am starting to see a pattern here...*) Some of it made sense to me, and some of it I ended up rejecting... so maybe it is all just subliminal programming...? maybe it is a simple case of “whatever you want to experience, you can attract to you and manifest it so you can see where it goes???”

but then you would have to apply the circular logic of the original programming for that- right? (at least in my case because that is what I plugged into my head)

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion

For what is worth I have memories of many past lives, worlds that are not similar to this one, waterworlds, lives in Sirius B and beyond this universe, traveling in plasma ships, visiting other worlds

I often get movies in my mind that are so vivid almost tangible, perhaps one day I will write about them

It gives me hope to know that there are other places where life is loving, soft and co-creative

Love to all
PS I actualy think all lives are happening at the same time

How about all lives are happening at the same no-time
You would like M5

[xbusymom]

Originally Posted by HORIZONS

How about all lives are happening at the same no-time

wouldn't that be like the all-inclusive NOW with the multiple "radio station frequencies"?

EDIT: (ok, never mind, nobody laughs at my funnies anymore- maybe i ought to quit trying- haha)

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by xbusymom

wouldn't that be like the all-inclusive NOW with the multiple "radio station frequencies"?

EDIT: (ok, never mind, nobody laughs at my funnies anymore- maybe i ought to quit trying- haha)

How about this: You as your higher self exist on the 5th density—beyond corporal time—as a being of pure energy. You then send out/down multiple (thousands) of streams of energy into the 4th and 3rd densities as incarnate lifeformes to gather experiences and thereby expand your knowledge of being for the purpose of spiritual growth. These streams of energy can enter the timeline of 3D earth at whatever point you desire for the experiences you need/want to grow as a being. When you have finished your experiences you ascend out of the 5th and into another higher experience beyond your wildest dreams. You will then use the knowledge you garnered to create other worlds and who knows what all.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by HORIZONS

These streams of energy can enter the timeline of 3D earth at whatever point you desire for the experiences you need/want to grow as a being. When you have finished your experiences you ascend out of the 5th and into another higher experience beyond your wildest dreams.

Now that is an interesting theory

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by Majorion

Now that is an interesting theory

Interesting indeed!

[Peace of mind]

Interesting comments…so there really isn’t any true universal proof, just personal experiences and books on other people’s personal ideas and experiences? Basically, it’s more of a belief thing. I can respect that. I’m intrigued with the child prodigy theory thou…

I have visions, and I also experience strong feelings of being here before…but can we honestly say we have or prove it? If these theories prove true, then the only reason I can think of reincarnating back into this world (In these conditions) is because I died fighting for this beautiful planet. Why else would I come back to a world filled with greed, selfishness, misery, egos, lies, etc...? Surely we had to know before coming back we will need some sought of mega weapons/super powers to fight against these forces of evil…

Some say we come back to learn, how do you know this is a program and you are here to learn certain lessons? Could these merely be ideas of inspirational novelist…selling you something?

Peace

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by Peace of mind

Interesting comments…so there really isn’t any true universal proof, just personal experiences and books on other people’s personal ideas and experiences? Basically, it’s more of a belief thing. I can respect that. I’m intrigued with the child prodigy theory thou…

I have visions, and I also experience strong feelings of being here before…but can we honestly say we have or prove it? If these theories prove true, then the only reason I can think of reincarnating back into this world (In these conditions) is because I died fighting for this beautiful planet. Why else would I come back to a world filled with greed, selfishness, misery, egos, lies, etc...? Surely we had to know before coming back we will need some sought of mega weapons/super powers to fight against these forces of evil…

Some say we come back to learn, how do you know this is a program and you are here to learn certain lessons? Could these merely be ideas of inspirational novelist…selling you something?

Peace

Very good point, and I often wonder myself why so many people keep saying we are here to learn... Why can't I be here to experience... sure that may be considered learning but having an adventure is much more appealing to me than to be stuck in a classroom... no thanks, i'm on an adventure to explore and power up potential of everything there is to power up!!!!

And there may not be any proof of any reincarnation, perhaps no evidence whatsoever, but there is the understanding of either 'participate in potential' or be left behind through 'passive permission' to be ruled over or told what to do... each a choice.

[xbusymom]

Originally Posted by Peace of mind

Some say we come back to learn, how do you know this is a program and you are here to learn certain lessons? Could these merely be ideas of inspirational novelist…selling you something?

when I did my past-life-question to myself, i came up with 4 different "incarnations" that dealt with the very same thing I was dealing with in the present life (and curiously each major co-star was my husband in some form- which is what I specifically asked about). what I was shown was that I had a tendency to ignore my wants/needs in order to be 'responsible for' or "to take care of" someone else- and they were divided into the extremes of the range (total selfishness vs total sacrifice) which helped me to see that I needed to strike a balanced understanding of what "responsible" ("to care for") really means...

and since my first husband and I have parted ways, I have been "seeing" other types of relationships in my life (with the same theme/ lesson that I am working on) show up in the following years... but I never would have grown in that issue if I had not been aware of the "lesson"...

make sense?

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Peace of mind

Some say we come back to learn, how do you know this is a program and you are here to learn certain lessons? Could these merely be ideas of inspirational novelist…selling you something?

the exit and enter Earth is not entirely up to us


we do not decide the time to go

why would we pick the place to come


this is a cooperation between God Ourselves and Karma


why are we here


to Bloom into Pure Perfection


so There is a Standard



God I love my Beliefs lol

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by HORIZONS

How about this: You as your higher self exist on the 5th density—beyond corporal time—as a being of pure energy. You then send out/down multiple (thousands) of streams of energy into the 4th and 3rd densities as incarnate lifeformes to gather experiences and thereby expand your knowledge of being for the purpose of spiritual growth. These streams of energy can enter the timeline of 3D earth at whatever point you desire for the experiences you need/want to grow as a being. When you have finished your experiences you ascend out of the 5th and into another higher experience beyond your wildest dreams. You will then use the knowledge you garnered to create other worlds and who knows what all.

Ooooops...
What you said... did not mean to step on your post... hadn't read far enough yet.

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by Christo888

Ooooops...
What you said... did not mean to step on your post... hadn't read far enough yet.

No problemo - just an experience

[Moxie]

I've experienced lucid dreams, OOBEs, reptilian contact, incubus/succubus (can't remember which gender is which, lol)... ecstatic dreams, otherwordly images/colors/music, UFOs, direct thought reading w/visuals, song "downloads" lyric & melody, etc etc...

I take them ALL w/ a grain of salt... it tells me Nothing really other than not to have Any beliefs which are static and not dynamic! .. except that the mind is a "terrible" thing! (smirks)

[cloud9]

Well, for everybody here who is interested, I just saw there's a new interview coming with Dolores Cannon who is one of my favorites authors. She's been working with past life regression for more than 30 years and her books are amazing.
Now, for the last 20 years or so she found that the experiences her clients were having were not just about past lives here in earth but an amazing variety of experiences in different planets and dimensions, different shapes and energies, any imaginable "life" is out there and these people are living here and now between us, we are they because at the end of the day, no one of them new they had those experiences until they had the regression session so it's very possible any of us has had amazing lives too.
Now, another point to consider it's that it's not just "past lives" as time doesn't exist, all those lives are existing at the same time and the explanation is that the Higher Self splinters in many forms to experience all kind of lessons in a variety of bodies, planets, dimensions and time (including future as we understand) all existing simultaneously. It's our concept of time which makes us think of "past" and "future" which all of us know it's not really so.All of us are multidimensional beings, all of us are experiencing being extraterrestrial in other planes, we are and have been pure light and we all come from the source.
There's no proof or validation, just an open mind can see the infinity of it all.
Regarding Mrs. Cannon, I took her class last November in California and at the end of the 3 days she performed a regression; I can only say it was really amazing. When you witness something like that you can only wonder...
Cloud