On Project Avalon 2: I am Impressed. A worthwhile Transition

[ellie]

Originally Posted by Lightpotential

Dear Hobbit,

Truly, there was a reason why I put the word undesirables in quotation marks. There are many degrees of subtlety in pronouncing the word anathema. But it takes great men - the best of us - to tentatively even, pass judgement on others, and to receive it ourselves, without a degeneration into a fist fight.

You ask Hobbit, who are these undesirables? Come, come now. Are we not adults? Men, in a world of Men. Bill Ryan and his moderators whom one would expect as so selected because they share a common vision are simply trying to create a good forum for ideas and exchange, and enlightenment. That's it. It is not rocket science.

They are simply using personal judgement and intuition in trying to get together as best they can, what are 'the best of people'. And yes, I did just put that in inverted commas because even that is a delicate concept. They are trying, Hobbit.

And certainly, anybody here is free to set up their own forum in opposition to what they may not like - and yes, in deciding so to separate themselves off from the rest they are - God forbid - passing a judgement call on those they wish to leave behind...

People will gravitate to those of like nature, and that is the way of the world. And how all things pass.


LP

Well, thank you so much for giving us your enlighted wisdom yoda. I get back to the "We are all One" comment thrown around on this forum since its inception.

NB: It is the people that are led by the nose and can shut their mouths that got the first invite and those that think they know everything and know absolutely stuff all.

[Hiram]

I'm actually pretty baffled by why I was not invited. Strange to experience that, right?

I have never been anything but supportive of both Bill and Kerry so I am mystified. Am I supposed to take the non-invite as a hint that I have been grouped in with some sort of unhealthy element?

If so that is really funny, in a sad way. I'm a terribly nice person...you won't run in to nicer.

Sooooo......geeesh.

I guess we just don't know?

I don't even know what any of the strange threads everyone was talking about on here were...as I never would even click on them. I don't have a clue. Abraxis...stuff? I don't even know what that is.

Well, thank you.

I will just assume the rest of you are in a similar boat?

[redtailhawk]

Originally Posted by Hiram

I'm actually pretty baffled by why I was not invited. Strange to experience that, right?

I wasn't invited either, I ASKED admin. and they followed through right away. I don't know for sure, but I think the official invite has not occurred? If you want to be involved in PA2, then come on over...I just signed up today, and it looks very professional....there is a definite change of vibe for the positive from what I could tell. I think it will grow in to something wonderful.

[TRANCOSO]

Originally Posted by ellie

Well, thank you so much for giving us your enlighted wisdom yoda. I get back to the "We are all One" comment thrown around on this forum since its inception.

NB: It is the people that are led by the nose and can shut their mouths that got the first invite and those that think they know everything and know absolutely stuff all.

Looks as if we found an 'Undesirable' here!

By the way, Lightpotential, blowing your own www, is not allowed at PA2.

There is nothing wrong I think in this venture into a new Avalon Forum. Of course, judgement calls will be made on peoples' character, in terms of who is allowed in to the new Avalon Forum. And not everybody is going to like this. But for my part, I do not see this in any way sinister. All I see is a simple desire to try to reduce the level of distractive posts that are argumentative in an antagonistic way; of backbiting and name calling. And to get rid of the small core of posters that seem to flood the boards with these types of posts.

Are you serious?
For someone who hardly ever posts at all, you have quite an attitude.

Now tell me, which, what & who are you pointing your finger at? Because you must have someone-/thing in mind. This small core flooding the board, do they have names?

I find it so confusing to read about 'distractive posts' when I have no idea what is meant by that.

As we say in Holland: Name man & horse.

[tacodog]

I do not need to be invited to become a member of Av2 nor do I need to become a member of AV2. The rules of the new forum were posted on one of these threads, hard to find which anymore, but if it is as stated like D. Wilcock's forum, that's fine if that is what they want. I can read what's there and search for opposing views elsewhere to seek balance in what was presented. Diversity may be lacking in the new forum, that's fine, it's their forum, I can seek elsewhere for it. Pity though, it was all here in AV1. The one's steering the boat will steer it in the way they want, they have that right, it's their forum. As others have said: Each will go where they feel they need to go. Those who have connected, will find a way to connect again.
May the heart of AV1 move forward, perhaps finding a new vessel somewhere else someday.

[NancyV]

Keith, nice post and I'm happy that it looks good on AV2. I like your energy of relative detachment regarding the drama going on and I'm detached about it all myself.

I enjoy having access to Avalon and may also enjoy PLW, certainly I have appreciated the interviews done by Bill and Kerry, whether or not they were all 100% reliable or disinfo or partially incorrect. Much fascinating information has been discussed and some great people have spoken with Bill and Kerry.

As far as why any one person was not yet invited to AV2 it has been explained several times that invites will be sent randomly and in increments, so it's going to take a while for all the invitations to go out. I have not yet been invited and that's fine. If I am not invited I will email to ask for an invitation in a week or two. If I don't get one after that then I won't join. If I do join and don't like it I will not continue frequenting the forum. Seems pretty simple to me.

Nancy

[Lightpotential]

Originally Posted by tacodog

I do not need to be invited to become a member of Av2 nor do I need to become a member of AV2. The rules of the new forum were posted on one of these threads, hard to find which anymore, but if it is as stated like D. Wilcock's forum, that's fine if that is what they want. I can read what's there and search for opposing views elsewhere to seek balance in what was presented. Diversity may be lacking in the new forum, that's fine, it's their forum, I can seek elsewhere for it. Pity though, it was all here in AV1. The one's steering the boat will steer it in the way they want, they have that right, it's their forum. As others have said: Each will go where they feel they need to go. Those who have connected, will find a way to connect again.
May the heart of AV1 move forward, perhaps finding a new vessel somewhere else someday.

Dear Tacodog,

There is no fundamental loyalty to forums as such. I myself have contributed in a few in my time. Such as Graham Hancock's forum, or Unexplained Mysteries, or Atlantis Rising. It is not the Forum per se that matters. All I have ever really done is look at some of the threads, and if I thought I could contribute with a good response, I did.

And that is all there is to it.

I periodically examine the above mentioned forums, and sometimes I may get involved in various threads for a few days or weeks, and then, I might not post again for a few months. It will be exactly the same pattern with me, as with PA2, as even it is right now with PA1.

Now, on that point about being invited to PA2. Tacodog, I can tell you this, nobody sought me out in this respect. I am not special in any way. Believe me. There was a Thread - I believe started by Celine? That one of the Moderators (Samarkis I think) just added a comment to everybody to request in the thread if they wanted an invite. I, along with about 30 to 40 other people I think just simply said, "Yes, I would like an invite please." And that was it. I received an E-mail about it. That was all.

I think if you request it of a moderator, I assume they will respond rapidly with an answer. But, no matter what that answer might be, you do not need to justify yourself to anybody. Your post here tells me that you are your own person. That is what matters.


LP

[Lightpotential]

Originally Posted by ellie

Well, thank you so much for giving us your enlighted wisdom yoda. I get back to the "We are all One" comment thrown around on this forum since its inception.

NB: It is the people that are led by the nose and can shut their mouths that got the first invite and those that think they know everything and know absolutely stuff all.

Dear Ellie,

I cannot win, can I? We are all one? Well, I might believe that in an abstract theoretical sense. I might believe that in a profound spiritual sense. I might believe that in truth. And indeed, in truth, I do. However, the universe is a developing entity. And different people, interacting with one another, have different views; different judgements. They are at different stages of development.

Is it is crime to state this? Is it somehow the height of ignorance to state this? I do not think so. The forum owner Bill Ryan and the moderators have made a very human judgement call on where they want to take this forum into the future and who they want to go with them. I am not going to condemn them for this.

We each of us choose our own path and choose our friends, and all of us hope we choose well and truly.

On your comment Ellie, " NB: It is the people that are led by the nose and can shut their mouths that got the first invite and those that think they know everything and know absolutely stuff all,"

To say such a thing; you do not know me at all. As is evident from my posts, I do not post messages very frequently. I tend to be selective in what I contribute. And I tend not to be led.

In fact, as a case in point, this very thread that even I started, has developed into exactly the sort of thread that I detest. Exactly the sort of thread that puts me off being too involved in any forum. I contribute posts that I feel are well considered and thought out by me, only to have simple 2 or 3 line follow up comments in response that I do not think have been really thought through at all. And then I get sucked into even more involved responses defending myself (apparently) until, I just ignore everybody and stop posting, and take a break.


LP

[ellie]

To be really honest I am not having a go at you Lightpotential, I mean you are younger than one of my children, so I have to say no offence personally to you okay.

What I am mad about is eventhough it shows I joined this forum recently I joined when it first started under another name. I know a lot of the members very personally and they are extremely intelligent, spiritual, humble people, and a lot of them for personal reasons have not been invited or refuse to go to the new forum.

They in fact have gone to other forums and I am really disgusted and upset that it has come to this because I am grieving their loss.

I dont like crawlers and some I believe have stooped to that to get what they see has their golden ticket. Golden ticket to what "Zieg Hail" as far as what I can see. Yes Mein Furher, whatever.

You are a young awoken spiritual being, dont let anybody tell you they know more than you, are smarter or what to do and there is at least one person that pisses me off greatly over there that was one of the first invited AND is so two faced she can lie on both sides of the bed at once.

When I say protection and love surround you I mean it.

[TRANCOSO]

Originally Posted by ellie

there is at least one person that pisses me off greatly over there that was one of the first invited AND is so two faced she can lie on both sides of the bed at once.

You have such a subtile way of expressing what's on your mind! I love it! Really!

In fact, ever since it became clear that some of us wouldn't be invited to join AVALONOGY, people started to speak up & it is refreshing.

Just for the record: there has been a palace revolution & you can either ignore that fact, or not.

It tells more about one, than all your enlighted words ever will.

[Lightpotential]

Originally Posted by ellie

To be really honest I am not having a go at you Lightpotential, I mean you are younger than one of my children, so I have to say no offence personally to you okay.

What I am mad about is eventhough it shows I joined this forum recently I joined when it first started under another name. I know a lot of the members very personally and they are extremely intelligent, spiritual, humble people, and a lot of them for personal reasons have not been invited or refuse to go to the new forum.

They in fact have gone to other forums and I am really disgusted and upset that it has come to this because I am grieving their loss.

I dont like crawlers and some I believe have stooped to that to get what they see has their golden ticket. Golden ticket to what "Zieg Hail" as far as what I can see. Yes Mein Furher, whatever.

You are a young awoken spiritual being, dont let anybody tell you they know more than you, are smarter or what to do and there is at least one person that pisses me off greatly over there that was one of the first invited AND is so two faced she can lie on both sides of the bed at once.

When I say protection and love surround you I mean it.

Dear Ellie,

I really should be going to bed right now. It is 1:30 in the morning and I have to be up early, but I wanted to respond to your post immediately as it truly deserved it. Your response is one of those rare gems when I feel I have really connected. And I truly respect what you have said.

I think that some of the comments that I have only just made to Tacodog are relevant here. So see above for that.

It is not the Forum that matters per se. It is about just helping people with what you think is a decisive post in the right thread at the right time. I do not post very frequently in any forum - not to the extent that I see a lot of others. And thus, much of the deeper politics and personalities of the forums, such as in Avalon, I am truly oblivious to. And in this sense, I wonder, maybe ignorance is bliss.

I try not to get 'sucked into anything' if I can help it. And I understand entirely your warning about not letting anybody tell me they know more than me. Believe me, I am always on guard about that.

May love and light surround you always Ellie,

Keith

[TRANCOSO]

Originally Posted by Lightpotential

May love and light surround you always Ellie,

Keith

Love, Light & Blessings, Keith! Don't forget the blessing.


I'm sorry if I sound nasty.
I enjoyed posting topics here.
Teaching instead of preaching.
If I saw a 'Thanx for the info' reply, it made my day.

I, for one, do not wish to be associated with Avalon 2, as it smells like AVOLONOGY.
Too much love, light & blessing.
By whom?
Who are these people, that they think they can 'bless' me?
Do you actually know what it takes to be able to 'BLESS' someone?

I have met 'holy' men, when I was in India.
They could see right through you.
And tell you a couple of things about yourself.
Just like that.
With a big smile on their face.
Now, their blessings I appericiated.

Love, light & unity has become a mockery here.
And I'm really very sorry to say so, because I love PA.

[Céline]

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

so from what im reading here quite a lot of people wont transition across when they pull the plug on this forum. maybe most of the people over there are geeks that know what to look for in ironing out problems in new forums?

has anyone here from avalon that doesnt like av2 investigatged kerrys forum. is that a different style to av2 and thus an alternative format under the same umbrella?

again id say at some point we should be so busy trying to survive that we may not have time to chit chat on computers. i joined this forum originally cos i thought shi T was gonna hit the fan and we need to start getting in groups(ground crew). everyone seemed to be busy getting into groups and ahaving local meetings.

the forum went subscription and that was the death of what avalon was created for, it wasnt a talking shop imo. it was a hub to create communities with added information available for extra value.

when the forum went subscription our ground crew fell apart and all the momentum and energy dissipated ratgher quickly. i came back when it was free again and lots of peoplehad disappeared as i had, clark kent ect.

im willing to give AV2 a shot if i get invited lol.. time may be short and we may not have access to information like this within the next two years, who knows?

[Karen]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

so from what im reading here quite a lot of people wont transition across when they pull the plug on this forum.

To quote Ross: A very small few will not be invited due to persistent unconstructive behavior as per BILL Ryans request.

Oh, wow, moving right along, I screened 12 people tonight, and picked a bunch more that look like they might be "constructive" posters. This is going to take a few weeks.

[JesterTerrestrial]

Originally Posted by Karen

To quote Ross: A very small few will not be invited due to persistent unconstructive behavior as per BILL Ryans request.

Oh, wow, moving right along, I screened 12 people tonight, and picked a bunch more that look like they might be "constructive" posters. This is going to take a few weeks.

Thank you Karen.

[hobbit]

Light potential,
Sorry, I am not your "Dear Hobbit"
I am a ****** off Hobbit.
You sound just like a candidate for the hitler youth, merrily skipping along into la la land utopia.
You have your feurher bill , who You hold up as the chosen one with his band of moderators .
All like minded together, all undesirables erradicated, kept at bay by the SS moderators, what garbage.
You have single handedly ensured that in no way will I join the PARTY, the childrens party of cuckoo ideas.

There are countless forums, lots with specialist content that like minded people can gravitate towards and thus discuss specific content on.
But this was supposed to be the one that ALL the people, WE THE PEOPLE warts, big noses, big heads, loud mouths, two headed people, anyone could feel free and comfortable within, not in any way to be classed as UNDESIRABLE,amazing.

I cannot help but think that I am imagining all this is occuring ???

IMAGINE, ALL THE PEOPLE, LIVING LIFE IN PEACE.
YOU MAY SAY I'M A DREAMER, BUT I,M NOT THE ONLY ONE.

IMAGINE ALL THE UNDESIRABLES, LOCKED AWAY BY ZERR MODERATORS.
YOU MAY SAY I,M A DREAMER, BUT IT,S BLOODY WELL HAPPENING.

I HOPE SOME DAY YOU WILL JOIN US,
NO CHANCE.

HOBBIT

[Lightpotential]

Hobbit,

What can I say? I think I understand well your position. I think also that you do not understand mine. And possibly never will. Your way is not my way. But I say go in peace nonetheless.

LP

[ellie]

Hobbit, Tacodog, Redtailhawk, Transcosco I cannot understand Why you people were not invited to the Dragon training camp, at least it would be up to you then to decide if you want to go or not.

I mean when i see some, not all, but some that were immediately installed over there I wonder the reasoning of it, because it totally baffles me.

If the ones that are over there already are; then by all that's good and proper everybody else should be.

Oh silly me, I did say by all that's good and proper.

[Angel in Disguise]

I think that one has to ask themselves if they have (perhaps even unintentionally) offended anyone or judged another's opinion. I've certainly not tried to and at the same time I've never put much worthy info out there as much as I've learned from this place over the years.
I was invited right away but I haven't gone there yet... All seems to complicated and I think I would almost miss the drama that goes on here, and most of all the knowledge passed around.
You've all become like family... so many different personalities, so many different views but I don't judge any of you. Heck I don't even interact with many of those I've come to know and respect for their 'different' aspects but I still love yous (silently)
I realize that we are all on different journeys at different points in time and I can appreciate it all, good, bad and ugly... The drama is like watching a movie at times and keeps my mind off the real news, which is probably a good thing... I can appreciate that too

PS... Got logged into PA2 at my work the other day... I was traumatized because they didn't even recognize my password. Couldn't log in. Couldn't find our normal page! It sucked!... I do want to check it out however! Just need my password fixed

[greybeard]

Relax folks.
Im not into concepts as such but lets say that its true we are one with Mother Earth.

There has recently been two major events, earth quakes, where many have died, the earth has been well shook up.
Is it surprising that we are not in harmony with each other, misunderstandings are happening?

We are pure elctro magnetic energy, atoms in movement we are affected by the moon, we are 90% water, so if the tides are affected by the mooon so are we.
Another name for being unsettled is lunacy (Lunar).

So be aware that people are being irrational at the moment.
This forum is like the earth crust an earth quake has ocured, there is a divide in our world, it need not be permanent, just relax.


Chris

[Karen]

Thank you Greybeard for your consistent voice of reason.

Originally Posted by greybeard

Relax folks.
Im not into concepts as such but lets say that its true we are one with Mother Earth.

There has recently been two major events, earth quakes, where many have died, the earth has been well shook up.
Is it surprising that we are not in harmony with each other, misunderstandings are happening?

We are pure elctro magnetic energy, atoms in movement we are affected by the moon, we are 90% water, so if the tides are affected by the mooon so are we.
Another name for being unsettled is lunacy (Lunar).

So be aware that people are being irrational at the moment.
This forum is like the earth crust an earth quake has ocured, there is a divide in our world, it need not be permanent, just relax.


Chris

[Fredkc]

2 days ago,
Members: 18
Posts: 20~

Today,
Threads: 190
Posts: 718
Members: 144

It isn't a plot, it isn't a ruse, it isn't a cult. It's much worse than that...

It's people of Avalon, sharing, and doing what they've done for years, without all this baggage, suspicion, and cr@p. (yes, I said it again.)

I keep coming to AV1, looking for more to invite, and all that happens is my list gets shorter and shorter.

If there exists a bright corner in the universe where complaining about what doesn't exist anymore brings on orgasms of nirvana, I'm sure I'd have found it by now.

In the mean time, I'm stuck with putting energy into what I want more of, and for now, that's AV2.

Fred

[TRANCOSO]

You don't have to defend yourself. Its just that you're the first one who starts a thread about Avalon 2, & in that thread you share your opinion.
If you just wanted to have your say, than post in a thread already going.
By starting a new thread on a sensitive topic like PA2, you shouldn't be surprised to receive edgy replies.

[tacodog]

Thank you LP:
I did not mean to come across as "unhappy" about not being invited, just that I don't need to be invited. If I felt I needed to invited, I would have asked them to invite me. Av2 is not Av1.