Indigo

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

Ahh so now ego is the enemy, some aspects of so called "ego" are not bad. For a person to feel pride in helping others is not egotistical. It is self respect and shows a profound respect for others.

I get a sense of joy for helping others, I feel no sense of pride whatsoever.
And sorry but the latter is the ego.
Your lack of knowledge about the inner and outer workings of the mind is
causing much harm, even though it's not your intention. I think this is the third
time I brought it up.

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

I have to butt in here, I'm sorry Jenny but you are wrong about this ego thing, and 2IAB is right.

Can you maybe elaborate a little more then that... lol?

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

And Jenny you're reading way to much into the label thing. If all the road signs were the same shape and size then how would you know what to do unless you label them.If you had soup cans with no labels how would you know what was in them. Labling is a way to differentiate things, not make something better or worse.

Sorry but you are not looking into it deep enough.
And your examples are pointless as you are comparing man made physical objects to us. I already pointed out the danger of the labeling in this thread beforehand so I won't say it again.

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

And how is talking about your youth an ego problem?

Doesn't that depend wholly on what is is that the person is saying?

[Dantheman62]

I don't need to elaborate more, she's wrong and he's right, simple. Labels are just simply a way to differentiate things, human or not. I would take pride in helping a little old lady across the street and feel the joy also. I don't think looking back on your life with pride is an ego thing. Don't get me wrong now, I'm really a cool person and don't mean anything personal by this at all, just my two cents, and now I'm out of money,LOL!

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Phtha

I get a sense of joy for helping others, I feel no sense of pride whatsoever.
And sorry but the latter is the ego.
Your lack of knowledge about the inner and outer workings of the mind is
causing much harm, even though it's not your intention. I think this is the third
time I brought it up.

Pride can mean many things, it only takes a quick glance at the dictionary to realise this.
When i say pride im refering to this definition ;

pride :

2. Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association:

-not- this ; 5. An excessively high opinion of oneself; conceit.

There are many different meanings to many of the words in the english dictionary. You cannot argue a point on one word unless you are aware of the definition that was intended.

And you will also notice that the words 'pride' and 'joy' are very much intertwined ;

Joy :

To take great pleasure; rejoice.


Notice the similarities?

Remember, before embarking on an argument you should first make an effort to understand what definition was intended when it was incorporated into a conversation.

[Dantheman62]

Clap,clap,clap.

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

Pride can mean many things, it only takes a quick glance at the dictionary to realise this.
When i say pride im refering to this definition ;

pride :

2. Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association:

-not- this ; 5. An excessively high opinion of oneself; conceit.

There are many different meanings to many of the words in the english dictionary. You cannot argue a point on one word unless you are aware of the definition that was intended.

And you will also notice that the words 'pride' and 'joy' are very much intertwined ;

Joy :

To take great pleasure; rejoice.


Notice the similarities?

Remember, before embarking on an argument you should first make an effort to understand what definition was intended when it was incorporated into a conversation.

I'm not knocking the dictionary but it teaches the same stuff we learn in public de-education institutions, it only scratches the surface of things.
Its exoteric knowledge as opposed to esoteric.
Look those two words up if it pleases you,
because they pretty much explain the method of our manipulation to a tee.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Phtha

I'm not knocking the dictionary but it teaches the same stuff we learn in public de-education institutions, it only scratches the surface of things.
Its exoteric knowledge as opposed to esoteric.
Look those two words up if it pleases you,
because they pretty much explain the method of our manipulation to a tee.

My main point is this ; Human kind will not advance until they recognise that yes each one of us is different. It is not our differences that divide us, it is our lack of love and respect for one another that keeps us at war.
To say that we are all the same is to turn our backs to the truth. We are all different, but no person is in any way superior to another. They may be better, but that is something that should be recognised. I believe that if Jesus did walk this earth he was better then me, and i will strive to be like him.

But if i do not admit that he was a better person then me i would completely lack the incentive to work towords attaining his way of being.

To say that being positive and loving is not better then being negative and hatefull can be debated on many fronts.

Holding low vibrational emotions literally deteriorates the human body. This is how cancer and many other diseases are cultivated.

Love is a proven healer. We all know this, we know the bilogical and chemical changes we feel in our body when we feel love and acceptance. This is joy, and its an awesome feeling that makes us feel truly alive.

To say one is better then another is not to claim one is superior. If somone wishes to advance along with the flow of the universe then he must first recognise that which is better then him and take action in order to progress in this direction. Getting angry and defensive is only putting roadblocks in ones own path.

Each persons difference is an expansion unto ourselves and must be met with love and acceptance.

If there are indigos, and if they are more evolved spiritually then other people big deal. This should be recognised and they should be loved for their difference. And these people didnt come into this world to argue, they came to show everyone a better way of being.

But then again, history may not have changed much.

Anyone remember that guy named Jesus who tried to help everyone.. what happened him again..?

See my point. People dislike being told that they are responsible for not only their own lives but for everyone elses. We each influence at least 100 other people as we go through different stages of our lives. Its our responsibility to come to the awareness that we are not living up to our potential and only when we come to this realisation can we take the neccesary steps to change this so that we can become something better.

Labels are neccesary. Until we develop telepathic communication we must use labels. Every word that comes out of our mouth is a label. "His eyes are blue", i just used a label ('blue') to describe the frequency of light that reflects off 'his' eyes. Not only that but i used a label to describe the biological organ which is composed of millions of bacteria and mini organisms that gives him the ability to convert light energy into an image which in turn can be recognised by his brain.

Just because the eye can process light into images does not mean it is superior to the ear. It just means it is better at its job. And when both work together they become an effective form of navigation in this physical world.

Dont be arguing over indigos, aknowledge their existance and try too work with them.

Namaste

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Phtha

Sorry but you are not looking into it deep enough.
And your examples are pointless as you are comparing man made physical objects to us. I already pointed out the danger of the labeling in this thread beforehand so I won't say it again.

Ok, i can only make my point clear by using metaphors ;

Labeling cans is different from labeling people, this much goes without saying for labeling the latter has much broader consequences some of them negative but you must not forget that some of them are also positive.

We do not label someone who is black a .. you know what, i dont wish to say it.
And the reason we do not do this is because it shows a complete lack of respect towords the person you are labeling. And this indeed causes friction.

Now there are instances where labeling is acceptable. If we did not label people with skitzophrenia then we would not be in a conveniant position to treat these people.

Now, your telling me that the use of labels is dangerous. This is a massive generalisation. Its close to saying driving cars is dangerous and we should not do it. There are some instances where driving a car can be dangerous but not always. And the pro's of driving a car far outweigh the cons.

I am saying that labeling people under certain circumstances can be benificial. Are you really saying that this is not true.

This subject is far more vast then to just throw a generalisation around it and call it dangerous. We are all adults here and are aware of the consequences of how we use our words and in what context.

Intent is the key word here.

- You may be a moderator here but that does not mean you are always right. Wether 18 or 80 we grow old as soon as we stop learning.

I would like to discuss this with you further, but i dont appreciate you stamping your opinion as if it is law. I am an adult and i will use labels and generalisations where i feel they are constructive. You telling me i cannot do this is a true sign of ego.

[Circlewerk]

Whatever you learn through psychoanalysis or self-observation is about you. It is content, not essence. Going beyond ego is stepping out of
content (Indigo).
Knowing yourself is being yourself, and being yourself is ceasing to identify with content.

With loving energy~
CW

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by Circlewerk

Whatever you learn through psychoanalysis or self-observation is about you. It is content, not essence. Going beyond ego is stepping out of
content (Indigo).
Knowing yourself is being yourself, and being yourself is ceasing to identify with content.

With loving energy~
CW

And the only way you can dissolve your ego is to walk the path of absolute Truth.
To get in tune with that voice that tells you what is wrong and what is right, in all aspects of your life.
Some call it Mother Nature, some call it The Divine, some call it Intuition.
Many names it has.

Some examples of more well known people who have dissolved their ego would be,
Ghandi, Mother Theresa, Bob Marley, and Jesus.
And many others who are not famous and whos names would be meaningless to you unless you met them.


Listen carefully now you will hear.
~Bob Marley

[Circlewerk]

Originally Posted by Phtha

And the only way you can dissolve your ego is to walk the path of absolute Truth.
To get in tune with that voice that tells you what is wrong and what is right, in all aspects of your life.
Some call it Mother Nature, some call it The Divine, some call it Intuition.
Many names it has.

Some examples of more well known people who have dissolved their ego would be,
Ghandi, Mother Theresa, Bob Marley, and Jesus.
And many others who are not famous and whos names would be meaningless to you unless you met them.


Listen carefully now you will hear.
~Bob Marley

I won't presume to know if those you mentioned were with, or without ego.
Or if they exercised their ego in their daily lives, as I was not there to observe their behavior consistently enough to know.
But I will say this..
When "Right and wrong" come into play, I am back in ego.
So instead of being attached to the thoughts & emotions that bring me to the conclusion that right & wrong have anything to do with anything, I am instead the awareness behind the thoughts & emotions.
Neutral, allowing, and free.

Peace,
CW

[Dantheman62]

Wow you guys are really deep!,(phtha and Circlewerk ) can you say psych 101? I hope you're both making 6 figure incomes!, if not you missed the boat. I'm just messing with ya! Smile, it'll be o.k. Tell a joke, have some fun! I know the bluebird of happiness does occasionally poop on your head, hence my avatar. LOL!

Keep up the good work, its helping them. I notice that a couple are beginning to see...

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by Circlewerk

I won't presume to know if those you mentioned were with, or without ego.
Or if they exercised their ego in their daily lives, as I was not there to observe their behavior consistently enough to know.

You bring up a good point, it's possible to detect in others, once I learned what to look for. The people mentioned
would not have been able to accomplish what they did had they been in ego driven consciousness.
They would not have been able to speak with such conviction about their beliefs because they would be to busy worrying about what others are going
to think of them for 1 thing.
I would be surprised if their ego didn't play at least a small role in their personal lives though.

Their motivations, like any mystic masters, were certainly not ego driven.

Learning to identify the way people act under ego is also a perfect way to detect charltons or false prophets.

I can name many but don't want to open that can of worms.

Originally Posted by Circlewerk

But I will say this..
When "Right and wrong" come into play, I am back in ego.
So instead of being attached to the thoughts & emotions that bring me to the conclusion that right & wrong have anything to do with anything, I am instead the awareness behind the thoughts & emotions.
Neutral, allowing, and free.

Peace,
CW

I agree, and from my experience a dishonest being can never hope to achieve
a relationship with that particular Awareness.

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

Wow you guys are really deep!,(phtha and Circlewerk ) can you say psych 101? I hope you're both making 6 figure incomes!, if not you missed the boat. I'm just messing with ya! Smile, it'll be o.k. Tell a joke, have some fun! I know the bluebird of happiness does occasionally poop on your head, hence my avatar. LOL!

lol... hey... this is fun!
But your point is certainly true and well put.
Have fun and experience joy with everything you do.
Sometimes text won't come off that way.
I always loved these smilies because of that.

Originally Posted by ForsakenFalcon

yeh cause looking back on it with remorse and resentment is a WWEHHHHOOOLLLEEEEE lot better "cough"

And those were whose words?

[ForsakenFalcon]

it may not be what she/he said directly but considering it's the complete opisite of there purposial statement I don't see many othere options on how to view ones self/experience/life

I much rather have pride over what I was mentioning thats for sure.

[bowspearer]

Originally Posted by Circlewerk

Whatever you learn through psychoanalysis or self-observation is about you. It is content, not essence. Going beyond ego is stepping out of
content (Indigo).
Knowing yourself is being yourself, and being yourself is ceasing to identify with content.

With loving energy~
CW

Part of that is being able to accept all parts of yourself positively, which last I checked, this thread was about- in particular, that the "freakboys" of this world are in fact different and positive ways and the fact that we are different is something to cherish, not to despair over.

See that's what all the "U R TEH YLIT SUK!" posters in here fail to grasp. Most of us who are indigos have known we were different from a very young age, not because of some smug sense of superiority, but because there were those in our lives who made damn sure we knew it clear as crystal in a way that we were made to feel 'less' because of it, to the point where many of us have no self esteem left by the time we've reached adulthood.

Let me ask you something, if fate handed the world a glut of special and gifted people whose reason for being here was to make the world a better place, would you want them helping others and showing others what really matters so that ideally everyone on the planet starts to finally get it right, or would you rather make them feel pathetic, worthless, useless and like they'd be doing the world a favour if they committed suicide?

Anyone who says that question is even slightly extreme is honestly completely and utterly ignorant of the situation, because it highlights the reality of things.

In short, are you going to be either a part of the problem or a part of the solution, because there is no middle ground!

[Circlewerk]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by bowspearer

Part of that is being able to accept all parts of yourself positively, which last I checked, this thread was about- in particular, that the "freakboys" of this world are in fact different and positive ways and the fact that we are different is something to cherish, not to despair over.

Cherish & Despair~
Both polarities are man-made conditioned responses to adjectives you beLIEve to be ABOUT your person. You are not the you that you told you were, that you think you are, that you have been conditioned to think you are, but then again, NONE of us are.
We have all been conditioned away from our presence, through beLIEf systems, labels, and deep psychological influencing.
There is nothing to cherish or despair over, those are boxes that keep you from your essence and one another.
The ego is addicted to these labels, and the false sense of power it obtains through the beLIEf, when you defend your attachment to any of the characteristics or labels, worthy of cherishing or not, try & see objectively, how much emotion a little mental concept like "My" can generate.
Identifying with anything as yours or you, will ultimately cause you all the pain you have and none of it is kin to essence, which needs nothing to sustain it's neutral, unconditional vibration, it has existed always and is indestructible.

See that's what all the "U R TEH YLIT SUK!" posters in here fail to grasp. Most of us who are indigos have known we were different from a very young age, not because of some smug sense of superiority, but because there were those in our lives who made damn sure we knew it clear as crystal in a way that we were made to feel 'less' because of it, to the point where many of us have no self esteem left by the time we've reached adulthood.

Not sure what "U R TEH YLIT SUK! means...
but anyway..
"Made to feel?"
With all due respect, this is inaccurate.
You were given choices, and as a result of conditioned responses, you chose "less than."
But it was never true, it never held any weight in spirit. The ego was conditioned to think it was the driver, the engine the whole car. It was crashed into by other egos, and thought that any mental dent on it's psyche was an actuality, due to the conditioning of being influenced to identify with words & definitions as a reality, which created a beLIEf system, that followed you into your adulthood, and causes you to reflect on the past, thereby keeping it alive in the now.
And nothing changes if nothing changes.
I understand your thinking, and the way you are piecing this all together. I understand why it is you feel the need to defend your label and your story.
I did it for years.
I can answer yes to 20 of the questions that allow the Indigo label to be attached to my life story, but I have zero desire for it, because it does not exist. It is simply another crutch of a label that my ego would love to latch on to, so that it can have some man made word & definition to feel a delusional sense of power behind, and so it can perpetuate the illusion into the now which is seamless.
It is not necessary, it is potentially a belief that enables a wedge between myself and others who perhaps do not identify, when in essence, we are identical.
Having been the so-called victim in many situations, I easily identified with a bunch of labels that only blinded me from the absolute being that simply experiences life without attachment or need or speed-bumps.
When I finally was able to detach from all of the labels, AND the past, completely, when I was clear enough to realize that EVERYTHING is NOTHING, and that only my perception built on conditioned words & definitions, would make it SEEM real, I was able to detach, and see the fact that I had been conditioned to think in terms of separatism, as a result of identifying with the label & roles they perpetuate.
I was only conditioned to think that I was made to feel, and that in truth? None of what happened to me, was anything that created the me that I am in essence. Those are things that happened as a result of choice, and the choice to feel anything behind any of it, was ultimately made by only me. How I choose to identify with those things, will condition my role in this world, because my ego clings to roles, that is part of the conditioning.
And because people continue to dwell in the past, and all that has happened to who they think they are, they continue to repeat their misery or joy.
If we live consciously, if we do not attach to any role and instead, be the experience, the energy behind what is observing the contrast, we can take responsibility for the expansion that is necessary for the oneness that is.
There is only one thing that perpetuates evil on this planet, human unconsciousness.

Let me ask you something, if fate handed the world a glut of special and gifted people whose reason for being here was to make the world a better place, would you want them helping others and showing others what really matters so that ideally everyone on the planet starts to finally get it right, or would you rather make them feel pathetic, worthless, useless and like they'd be doing the world a favour if they committed suicide?

Fate hands nothing.
There is no blanket fate. An individuals perception of their own fate, will be as a result of the belief system they subscribe to. Belief systems are conditioning systems that retard the ability to live free and consciously.
There is energy, neutral, unconditional, expansive & profound. Thoughts derived from belief systems impede on our unity.
Rather large responsibility, "making the world a better place, showing others what really matters' for a group of people who cling to a label, a role, that by doing so, contradict their supposed mission of helping us get it right.
We cannot get this wrong.
Or right.
We can experience it consciously, or unconsciously.
What I prefer, is that the extreme emotions, the ego, the connection to conditioning, the belief systems, are seen for what they are, so that we can recognize our kinship and begin to live from a neutral place of allowing & loving effortlessly. All of us.

Anyone who says that question is even slightly extreme is honestly completely and utterly ignorant of the situation, because it highlights the reality of things.

No, it highlights YOUR reality of things.

In short, are you going to be either a part of the problem or a part of the solution, because there is no middle ground!

My answer would never satisfy you, as we define probelm & solution differently, and neither matter. I love you. I recognize you in me, and myself in you, beyond any of the lables or roles, beyond words and thoughts. That, matters, to me.

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

- You may be a moderator here but that does not mean you are always right. Wether 18 or 80 we grow old as soon as we stop learning.

I would like to discuss this with you further, but i dont appreciate you stamping your opinion as if it is law. I am an adult and i will use labels and generalisations where i feel they are constructive. You telling me i cannot do this is a true sign of ego.

For the record I'm not a mod.
But this is precisely the problem with titles. People get judged differently because of them.
If it was my forum I would have no titles, everyone would be a user and that's it.
Because you are right, my word should
not hold anymore weight because of the title I bear. Unfortunately this more often
then not is not the case with people. This is the second time you brought up my title in
this thread which shows you fall into the category of the latter. Otherwise
it would be a non issue to you.

And pretty much all of what I said is not exactly my opinion, but rather
information gained from the study of the esoteric mysteries and alternative Histories.

I'm still learning like the rest of us.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Phtha

Unfortunately this more often
then not is not the case with people. This is the second time you brought up my title in
this thread which shows you fall into the category of the latter. Otherwise
it would be a non issue to you.

I would not have a problem with anyone having a title as long as they didnt abuse it or feel that they were superior to anyone else because of it. At this current stage in our development (considering we all are locked into an egotistical mindset, and as much as we try this will not change until we undergo the same kind of event that caused us to switch to ego mode in the first place. My opinion on this would be a magnetic pole shift, im not quite sure.) we need titles. We need labels. Otherwise there would be chaos. And considering we still lack the ability to communicate mind to mind, labels are essential.

The problem here is not the use of labels, it is peoples idea that labels should include status. Each persons job here is no more important then anothers. And no job should be higher payed then another.

There should be no problem with having moderators on a forum, we need structure in order for this to work efficiantly.

[Jenny]

My post is directed to no one in particular but an observation on human beings evolving towards a spiritual beeing.

Any one who is taking it personally and choose to prove me wrong or false or whatever, is proving that ego=actions cannot be seen nor changed from the egolevel.

Staying observant and neutral is what helps to see what actions are taken at the egolevel or at the spiritual level.

Ego is a tool and as such valuable.Like a hammer is a valuable tool to get a nail into wood.

No more , no less.