The Bible, Our Conclusion. by Norval and Gale

[arcora]

There is ample evidence of physical 3-d beings working behind the scenes and calling the shots for the illuminati and our 'leaders'.

Why doubt that there will be a physical 3-d return of the King?

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by arcora

There is ample evidence of physical 3-d beings working behind the scenes and calling the shots for the illuminati and our 'leaders'.

Why doubt that there will be a physical 3-d return of the King?

There is no doubt there will be such a return.
But it is the flesh that will rule the flesh, and their hope -permanently -the spirit.

IF we collectively give consent for their rule, then we give up our rights, all of them.

the true King is what Jesus taught, is within us.
These are my brothers and sisters, mothers, and fathers...

His death was /is our death.
His cross is/was our cross.

Until we see the host as a physical manifestation of the Spirit within, and not the other way around, we will be duped and subjected to tyrants.

******************
The 3d World is just that, the World.
We are in the world, not of it.

That si the message of Jesus
Not the idolized corrupted image of a god-man, but of a flesh and blood human which understood that only way for God to free humanity, was to become humanity.

We are that humanity.
They will not succeed.
we know this because we will transmogrify, while they will wither and die.

**********************

[Norval]

It seems to me that this physical world suits my physical body just fine. I greatly enjoy all
my tactile sensations this body provides. Should I be changed in the blink of an eye to
another physical form, I am reassured by what is also written that it too will be a physical
one.

Transmogrify
to change in appearance or form, esp. strangely or grotesquely; transform.

Transform
1. to change in form, appearance, or structure; metamorphose.
2. to change in condition, nature, or character; convert.

Your choice I guess.

[100thmonkey]

Originally Posted by Norval

The whole key to understanding the bible is by accepting, or at least entertaining the thought, that it represents the governance of the galaxies.

Originally Posted by arcora

Why doubt that there will be a physical 3-d return of the King?

There likely will be a revelation, or arrival, of ET's on Earth sometime, maybe soon, and they may well be from some Galactic Federation or Council or similar. I wouldn't deny that.

However, any claims by them to have the authority of the Creator himself, or by their King to be the Creator incarnate, are no more valid than can be claimed by the rest of us, as either individuals or communities.

We are all the Creator incarnate, we all have freedom and authority over our own minds.

If ET's arrived I'd be the first to want to greet them.
If they start trying to impose their own laws then that's another thing. It would then have to be an invasion and conquest for them to claim any 'authority' greater than the one's already in place over us.

If indeed they start claiming ties to the bible and judaeo-christian mythology for legitimacy in this, then I would see that as a warning sign that these could well be our own NWO types raising a false flag - following the script given in the bible, which they know many are expecting to be fulfilled.


If, on the other hand, they arrived and liberated mankind from it's present domination, bringing enlightenment, etc. I couldn't complain, yet even then it would have to be done tactfully, carefully and through open negotiation rather than military force, as between any peaceloving countries here on Earth (I know, I know...).

So I do agree that this is firstly an Exopolitical situation, which is a whole 'nother level of complexity.
I also believe there is truth to the bible stories, of ET contact, etc, but the bible is not alone, as other cultures and mythologies have just as much to offer in that regard - and the bible itself is a distillation of many of these, albeit twisted by religious/control motives, etc. as you suggest.

[warngen]

Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

There likely will be a revelation, or arrival, of ET's on Earth sometime, maybe soon, and they may well be from some Galactic Federation or Council or similar. I wouldn't deny that.

However, any claims by them to have the authority of the Creator himself, or by their King to be the Creator incarnate, are no more valid than can be claimed by the rest of us, as either individuals or communities.

We are all the Creator incarnate, we all have freedom and authority over our own minds.

If ET's arrived I'd be the first to want to greet them.
If they start trying to impose their own laws then that's another thing. It would then have to be an invasion and conquest for them to claim any 'authority' greater than the one's already in place over us.

If indeed they start claiming ties to the bible and judaeo-christian mythology for legitimacy in this, then I would see that as a warning sign that these could well be our own NWO types raising a false flag - following the script given in the bible, which they know many are expecting to be fulfilled.


If, on the other hand, they arrived and liberated mankind from it's present domination, bringing enlightenment, etc. I couldn't complain, yet even then it would have to be done tactfully, carefully and through open negotiation rather than military force, as between any peaceloving countries here on Earth (I know, I know...).

So I do agree that this is firstly an Exopolitical situation, which is a whole 'nother level of complexity.
I also believe there is truth to the bible stories, of ET contact, etc, but the bible is not alone, as other cultures and mythologies have just as much to offer in that regard - and the bible itself is a distillation of many of these, albeit twisted by religious/control motives, etc. as you suggest.

Excellent post!

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

There likely will be a revelation, or arrival, of ET's on Earth sometime, maybe soon, and they may well be from some Galactic Federation or Council or similar. I wouldn't deny that.

However, any claims by them to have the authority of the Creator himself, or by their King to be the Creator incarnate, are no more valid than can be claimed by the rest of us, as either individuals or communities.

We are all the Creator incarnate, we all have freedom and authority over our own minds.

If ET's arrived I'd be the first to want to greet them.
If they start trying to impose their own laws then that's another thing. It would then have to be an invasion and conquest for them to claim any 'authority' greater than the one's already in place over us.

If indeed they start claiming ties to the bible and judaeo-christian mythology for legitimacy in this, then I would see that as a warning sign that these could well be our own NWO types raising a false flag - following the script given in the bible, which they know many are expecting to be fulfilled.


If, on the other hand, they arrived and liberated mankind from it's present domination, bringing enlightenment, etc. I couldn't complain, yet even then it would have to be done tactfully, carefully and through open negotiation rather than military force, as between any peaceloving countries here on Earth (I know, I know...).

So I do agree that this is firstly an Exopolitical situation, which is a whole 'nother level of complexity.
I also believe there is truth to the bible stories, of ET contact, etc, but the bible is not alone, as other cultures and mythologies have just as much to offer in that regard - and the bible itself is a distillation of many of these, albeit twisted by religious/control motives, etc. as you suggest.

100thmonkey, Excellent post !

I would like to add that POSITIVE ETs, will never intervene in human business,
and to such extent, that they would even let us enslave ourselves if we choose it, just to respect our FREEWILL.

salute.

[Norval]

While Gale and I may have not been the first to alert the PTB, governments and so on,
about the bible ET connection back in 2002 with out the religious implications, we are not
the last to have made, or are making, this connection. Good questions and thoughts
Monkey, yet we have already answered those questions and ideas if you but read our
threads and posts about what the bible says.

It is good that many would question these things about who has what authority over
whom. We could entertain many ideas or philosophies yet it comes down to this simple
point. Mankind has been given ample time to read the document submitted by that
Kingdom authority (bible) and today is about to be held accountable to it's codes and
laws, just as the rest of the sentient intelligent life of the universe does, and have agreed
upon.

We are to look at all the evidence around us, what we see is the evidence of design and
incredible engineering, and all for us. Then we have the "us" a created sentient intelligent
life form called mankind or human. This, the document clearly states. Mankind were all
born under that Kingdom governance, but because of our being created with the qualities
we possess it was demanded by some that we be tested as to those qualities. A major
part of that testing is now over and we are about to enter into full blown membership in
that Intergalactic Kingdom.

Those that opposed this governance by a King have attempted to make their point and
have lost, both in thought and deed. The majority of the peoples of the galaxies have
agreed to this governance by a King, now that same choice has been offered to mankind.
It is as simple as being in truth to your heart that you ARE a good neighbor and will
conduct yourselves accordingly towards all sentient intelligent life forms of like mind. If
not, and you decide to do harm, be assured there is someone with the authority and
power necessary, appointed to this position, that will do what is necessary if your
neighbors don't, and then deal with why the neighbors didn't deal with it.

Simple codes to live by and apply to every sentient intelligent life form in the galaxies. Our
choices to make, the decision is for each and every person to make for themselves. The
document is in most peoples hands around the world today or is now easily obtainable for
most. Mankind can now comprehend that document, the bible, for we all can entertain
the ideas of an intergalactic government, because of our technological achievements and
our knowledge of the sciences, and some of "theirs".

[alice goes nuts....]

i wonder sometimes how many strange ways and directions an ego can take just to become satisfied, how is it possible to create so many crappy theories.....i m impressed, but not in the good way!!!!

[unloadedgunn]

I have to chime in here, 100th Monkey, that YOU are more lucid, enlightened, and objective on the issues at hand than the so called, or should I say "self proclaimed" experts. I see someone here in Norval who would have us all believe he has eschewed "religious BS", and yet speaks in the same totalitarian terms as any bible thumper you would ever hope to meet.

It seems he already has his place in the New Galactic Order (or whatever this agenda being ramrodded down all our throats is called) and has no problem with the new version of the same old thing because he himself is an insider. All we need is another "concerned theological educator" to help the PTB along on their goose stepping march of manifest destiny. I am personally saddened that I have not read the word "sovereignty" in this thread once (maybe I missed it).

Seems like we are throwing out the bathwater, and replacing it with koolaid.

The bottom line for me is simple...we all have an internal compass, and inherently know right from wrong...PERIOD. WE DO NOT need a descended alien king in our affairs any more than we need a pedophile priest, a child sacrificing pope, or an adulteress stoning imam. The days of giving over our rightful birthright (or own personal godhood) to others are OVER, spread the word.

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by unloadedgunn

I have to chime in here, 100th Monkey, that YOU are more lucid, enlightened, and objective on the issues at hand than the so called, or should I say "self proclaimed" experts. I see someone here in Norval who would have us all believe he has eschewed "religious BS", and yet speaks in the same totalitarian terms as any bible thumper you would ever hope to meet.

It seems he already has his place in the New Galactic Order (or whatever this agenda being ramrodded down all our throats is called) and has no problem with the new version of the same old thing because he himself is an insider. All we need is another "concerned theological educator" to help the PTB along on their goose stepping march of manifest destiny. I am personally saddened that I have not read the word "sovereignty" in this thread once (maybe I missed it).

Seems like we are throwing out the bathwater, and replacing it with koolaid.

The bottom line for me is simple...we all have an internal compass, and inherently know right from wrong...PERIOD. WE DO NOT need a descended alien king in our affairs any more than we need a pedophile priest, a child sacrificing pope, or an adulteress stoning imam. The days of giving over our rightful birthright (or own personal godhood) to others are OVER, spread the word.

I agree wholeheartedly.

take care.

[unloadedgunn]

Glad to hear that bandit. That one book written and compiled by men, which contradicts itself COUNTLESS times, which was assembled by a cabal of like-minded, power hungry despots at the council of Nicea, could possibly contain more than a glimmer of truth is absurd. Anyone thinking "just embrace my book, and nobody gets hurt!" is inherently wrong, and if you are not yet aware of this spiritual axiom and its TRUTH, then you probably need to work on your OWN moral compass, discernment, etc.

It is all a bunch of dogma masquerading as new age spirituality, and how appropriate in light of it being Halloween and all. I can only hope is is well intentioned misdirection. Perhaps the neighbors we should be worried about have originated this thread???

[Norval]

Glad to hear we are getting our points across.

[unloadedgunn]

The only "points" you are getting across are these: 1) That you have read volumes about the Christian faith, and obviously this written hodge-podge of contradiction fills an emptiness in you like nothing else. Were this not the case you would not be an ordained minister. Your references to a god who is an "engineer" is very patriarchal and Judeo-Christian sounding, but what would one expect from a minister? 2) That despite the mutual admiration society that you have going there with your fellow researcher, for what you perceive (mistakenly) as new and different insights about the bible, you are spewing the same medieval subservience that has gotten all of humanity into the mess we most certainly are in NOW. 3) Anyone gravitating toward scripture which has been used as the justification of untold millions of deaths, for use as anything other that the toilet paper it obviously is, needs some help.

The aforementioned was written with all due respect. I apologize for my strong words, but all the lucid literature I have been reading of late tells me to speak up LOUD AND CLEAR and denounce BS when I see it. It is time that this stuff gets called out. I'm sure the world is full of regretful people who wished they had spoken out about their respective truths, and I won't be one of them. Nor does it seem that either Norval or Gale will be.

[unloadedgunn]

A great big "amen" to ya bandit!!!

[Norval]

Originally Posted by unloadedgunn

The only "points" you are getting across are these: 1) I'm sure the world is full of regretful people who wished they had spoken out about their respective truths, and I won't be one of them. Nor does it seem that either Norval or Gale will be.

Thank you

While Gale and I may have not been the first to alert the PTB, governments and so on,
about the bible ET connection back in 2002 with out the religious implications, we are not
the last to have made, or are making, this connection. Good questions and thoughts
Monkey, yet we have already answered those questions and ideas if you but read our
threads and posts about what the bible says.

It is good that many would question these things about who has what authority over
whom. We could entertain many ideas or philosophies yet it comes down to this simple
point. Mankind has been given ample time to read the document submitted by that
Kingdom authority (bible) and today is about to be held accountable to it's codes and
laws, just as the rest of the sentient intelligent life of the universe does, and have agreed
upon.

We are to look at all the evidence around us, what we see is the evidence of design and
incredible engineering, and all for us. Then we have the "us" a created sentient intelligent
life form called mankind or human. This, the document clearly states. Mankind were all
born under that Kingdom governance, but because of our being created with the qualities
we possess it was demanded by some that we be tested as to those qualities. A major
part of that testing is now over and we are about to enter into full blown membership in
that Intergalactic Kingdom.

Those that opposed this governance by a King have attempted to make their point and
have lost, both in thought and deed. The majority of the peoples of the galaxies have
agreed to this governance by a King, now that same choice has been offered to mankind.
It is as simple as being in truth to your heart that you ARE a good neighbor and will
conduct yourselves accordingly towards all sentient intelligent life forms of like mind. If
not, and you decide to do harm, be assured there is someone with the authority and
power necessary, appointed to this position, that will do what is necessary if your
neighbors don't, and then deal with why the neighbors didn't deal with it.

Simple codes to live by and apply to every sentient intelligent life form in the galaxies. Our
choices to make, the decision is for each and every person to make for themselves. The
document is in most peoples hands around the world today or is now easily obtainable for
most. Mankind can now comprehend that document, the bible, for we all can entertain
the ideas of an intergalactic government, because of our technological achievements and
our knowledge of the sciences, and some of "theirs".

[AndyH]

My own conclusion is that the bible is irrelevant.
Why?
Because it has been translated many times and butchedred at the council of nicea.
Nuff said.

[unloadedgunn]

I guess when the veracity, historicity, and and authenticity of the bible are ALL in question to anyone actually paying attention...and this is the ONLY document you have to base the body of your "evidence" upon, everything is at question. You could tell me the daytime sky is usually blue, and I would question it because of the utter craziness of basing so called "research" on old, archaic, and passe' mythology. But you keep on tryin' Norval, I am guessing that a guy like you will have an easy time converting those people who have been indoctrinated into formal religion, and are strong minded enough to turn their backs to it, but not QUITE strong enough to gravitate to anything that doesn't smack of patriarchal dogma. Perhaps this is exactly why you are here, to grab up all the folks disillusioned by Christianity BEFORE they find the real truth. Keep up the good fight!

[Gale]

This research has nothing to do with religion or a cult nor grabbing up anyone in the context you are using. It’s about the survival of the human race in the face of what is coming. It is the culmination of years of research into the sciences, the mythologies, the Bible and other ancient writings. Whereas, the Bible is the only document that has had all the answers i.e. who, what and why we humans are here; who, what and why they are here, as well as timeline.
It is obvious some will never understand.

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by unloadedgunn

Glad to hear that bandit. That one book written and compiled by men, which contradicts itself COUNTLESS times, which was assembled by a cabal of like-minded, power hungry despots at the council of Nicea, could possibly contain more than a glimmer of truth is absurd. Anyone thinking "just embrace my book, and nobody gets hurt!" is inherently wrong, and if you are not yet aware of this spiritual axiom and its TRUTH, then you probably need to work on your OWN moral compass, discernment, etc.

It is all a bunch of dogma masquerading as new age spirituality, and how appropriate in light of it being Halloween and all. I can only hope is is well intentioned misdirection. Perhaps the neighbors we should be worried about have originated this thread???

Halloween ? hehe, yeah unloadedgunn, appropriate.

Discernment is of prime importance.

Your are correct, The 'Dark Side' are masquerading as saviors, and their plan will NOT work as long as Humanity is informed and gets rid of it's victim mentality.

There are Universal laws that are at work in the Universe, whether we believe in them or not.
I have talked about this on another thread, but it's good to put it back:
The Universe works like a homeostatic system: it always self adjusts to keep
it's state of equilibrium:

In humanity's case, if we have a victim mentality, we will inevitably attract oppressors, parasites, dictators...etc
This is not going to work, if we choose to 'save ourselves', to get rid of that old habit of counting on someone else word, will, institutions..etc

Same thing as for a Staged Second Coming, the PTBs count on a Human majority brainwashed in believing that an embodied 'spiritual master' is coming to herd them.
It's good to remember that too many lives were taken in the past for not giving allegiance to a book ! (here the Bible).
All this sickness was imposed by force. (See FEAR)
And then they created their own system of laws to support their power and keep us in 'obedience'.

Because of our 'duality', the trick to get out of this cycle, is to stay 'balanced' and connected with the Source.
Simple as that.

For the OPs intentions?.....time will tell.

salute.

[100thmonkey]

Originally Posted by Gale

Monkey and warngen, already asked and answered.

...and already responded to - but just because I haven't accepted it doesn't mean I haven't understood it - and I tried to explain why.
I thought that the conversation had progressed, having taken that into account, but I see this isn't really a conversation with you. You're here for your presentation of 'the facts' and no debate will be entered into.

Oh well, if you'd followed my posts you'd see I'm trying to present a bigger picture, in which it's clear that the Creator just wouldn't work that way.

...but since we're repeating past conversation here is one I'll QFT...

Originally Posted by unloadedgunn

I have to chime in here, 100th Monkey, that YOU are more lucid, enlightened, and objective on the issues at hand than the so called, or should I say "self proclaimed" experts. I see someone here in Norval who would have us all believe he has eschewed "religious BS", and yet speaks in the same totalitarian terms as any bible thumper you would ever hope to meet.

It seems he already has his place in the New Galactic Order (or whatever this agenda being ramrodded down all our throats is called) and has no problem with the new version of the same old thing because he himself is an insider. All we need is another "concerned theological educator" to help the PTB along on their goose stepping march of manifest destiny. I am personally saddened that I have not read the word "sovereignty" in this thread once (maybe I missed it).

Seems like we are throwing out the bathwater, and replacing it with koolaid.

The bottom line for me is simple...we all have an internal compass, and inherently know right from wrong...PERIOD. WE DO NOT need a descended alien king in our affairs any more than we need a pedophile priest, a child sacrificing pope, or an adulteress stoning imam. The days of giving over our rightful birthright (or own personal godhood) to others are OVER, spread the word.

Thankyou unloadedgunn. You took the words right out of my
...fingers.
New Galactic Order indeed.
Norval and Gale seem to be obsessed wth judging their 'neighbours', when the only one we really have any true authority or control over is ourself. Anything else is artificial and interventionist.

Norval, I was going to say that although you've taken out the religion from the bible you've left in the very worst parts - the parts that tainted whatever good was in the religious side - the fear and control structure.
- but unloadedgunn beat me to it.

Originally Posted by Norval

The majority of the peoples of the galaxies have
agreed to this governance by a King, ...

How do you know?

Originally Posted by Gale

This research has nothing to do with religion or a cult nor grabbing up anyone in the context you are using. It’s about the survival of the human race in the face of what is coming. It is the culmination of years of research into the sciences, the mythologies, the Bible and other ancient writings.

With the conclusion that we should all willingly submit to our coming conqueror, or die in his vengeance.
Hard to see a difference.

If such a conquest happens then it will be self evident that it is not the Creator's authority being exercised, since he just doesn't do that.

Therefore we are justified in rebelling - and filled with hope in success of that resistance, since the power we resist isn't really that of the infinite creator - it just masquerades as such.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

Norval and Gale seem to be obsessed wth judging their 'neighbours'

Hmmm... Thou Shalt Judge Thy Neighbor...


-feeler

[arcora]

Remember the story of the boy who cried wolf?

I bet those villagers were sorry they didn't listen to him one last time.

[Gale]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 100thmonkey
Norval and Gale seem to be obsessed wth judging their 'neighbours'

Originally Posted by feeler

Hmmm... Thou Shalt Judge Thy Neighbor...


-feeler

Wrong, but good attempt.
It is important to know your enemy, be able to recognize who the enemy is, what are his tactics, what is his weaponry etc.
The old adage “Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer”

How can anyone protect their family if they don’t know who the adversary is; they will just end up thinking everyone is their adversary which seems to be the going trend. Don’t forget to verify your own family members.

[Norval]

I finish my posting in this thread with this message.

Gale sent this to me this morning for my birthday. It would be wise to get to KNOW your
Father, and his Son the King of the Universe.

http://www.fathersloveletter.com/fllpreviewlarge.html

There are many others that know what we know and will help you now.
We are not alone. WE are going to be one third of the planets population.

Peace to those of good will.
Norval L. Cunningham

[Gabe Gabriel]

Gale and Norval,

As you know there are many people that have been hurt in some way by "religion", "organized religion" during their lives. Also there are many other types that just want to "disregard" and or "ignor" the Bible because they "heard" somewhere that the Bible has been "changed" and so because the Bible has been changed then they "feel" that they can attack the scriptures and any one that stands up for them as well.

This is for the "attackers". In order for the Bible to be written down in "English" so you can attack it, you have to change some of the words out of necessity. In order to write the Bible in English you must first do what is called "Transliteration". There are differences between English and Hebrew launguage. Not every English word and Hebrew word are exactly alike, so the translators have to make changes in order for the words to make sense. The Hebrew is a much richer and fuller launguage than english is, so some words have to be changed, because English is such a dumber launguage than Hebrew is.

Also Gale and Norval as you know there are just people that attack because they are sent by the "Darkness".

The funniest ones are the ones that "attack" because they saw it written somewhere that the Bible has been changed and therefore cannot be good and so anyone that uses the scriptures must also be bad.

Ignor is the shortcut to ignorant.