surprising message from spirit about Obama "victory"

[david pavlak]

As one who has only recently become a visitor to this site, and after reading all the comments in this particular thread, I have to say that I am a little bit suprised about all the references to an "anti-christ".

For, you see, there is no such creture as an "anti-christ" or any creature known as "satan". All these beings are inventions from mens' religions. Man has for centuries confused his many religions with the universal consciousness known as God, thinking that they are one in the same thing.

I apologize in advance for any offense taken by other readers.

[Liv]

Hello from Europe!

Thank you Theresa, for the uplifting channelling which seem to fit well with another channelling I read - I think it was from Tobias at Crimson Circle or it may have been a channelling from Kuthumi. This one was pre-election and stated that Obama is a reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln and a walk-in from the Galactic Federation. On the reincarnation part I have asked my Twin Mind and excellent mundane astrologer, Jim Cummins in Florida to check their charts for indicators of such.

When that is said, even looking at it strictly from a mundane perspective Obama was the best choice for a better future. His rival being a war glorifying and war mongering war hero. And the idea that there was possibility that a barracuda/ pitbull with lipstick could step up as Chief in Command... Well, we're blessed not to have those on this side of the Atlantic any more. I have not forgotten that Hitler was European.

Obama may not be able to change planet Earth or even the US into paradise in 4 years but I'm convinced the alternative would have been worse and congratulate the American people on their votings this time.

Love & Light

[conjuredUp]

Originally Posted by david pavlak

As one who has only recently become a visitor to this site, and after reading all the comments in this particular thread, I have to say that I am a little bit suprised about all the references to an "anti-christ".

For, you see, there is no such creture as an "anti-christ" or any creature known as "satan". All these beings are inventions from mens' religions. Man has for centuries confused his many religions with the universal consciousness known as God, thinking that they are one in the same thing.

I apologize in advance for any offense taken by other readers.

Ahhh... sweet sanity! :-)

[Delphi]

For anyone looking at Obama as either a saviour or the antiChrist please PLEASE stop making such an investment in someone else. Whichever side of the divide you are on, you are giving energy to dualisitc thinking. Is this what you want to do? Or do you want to align to unity consciousness?
Consider again the last paragraph of Teresa's post. Trust the process and your inner processes above all else. Trust that Obama will do his job as perfectly as Bush and Blair have done. That job is to help us WAKE UP to the reality of what we are. The rest is speculation, and it keeps our minds occupied, and it's quite interesting, and we will continue to indulge in it (I know I will) and meanwhile the process will go on inside as I/we let go of more and more of what separates us.
And the thing that bugs me about dualisitc thinking is that it remains the only vocabulary I have, what with all those either/ors at the beginning of this rant.
And yes it is brilliant that we have moved far enough for someone who is both black and white to have been elected as US president. A wonderful representative for unity consciousness!
love to all (and I mean all, including those whose words and deeds I don't like!)

[Sir-Chi]

NOW IS THE MOMENT TO DREAM BIG!! Don't Allow Obama to be swept into the typical Manchurian puppeting .... ITS UP TO WE THE PEOPLE to demand nothing but the truth and a reality full of LOVE!!

NOthing less .....

to a rise in consciousness
with much,
love, light and laughter
SC

[lotusflower]

Thank you for this post. It is very inspirational and goes a long with how I am feeling internally about this entire situation.

[Frank Samuel]

Hueii you are absolutely right when you say that we need to see the positive even in those we consider evil. Our hearts and minds are a bit distorted, the teachings of leaders who have ascended into a higher plane tells us to see the spark of the flame burning inside each human being some of course burn brighter than others, some are just dimmer. Notable people like Mother Theresa who saw the good in others, I remember reading an interview she gave while visiting the US. The reporter ask her what she thought about the US she replied saying that althought America was bless with wealth she felt sorry for the people of the US because they are suffering internally and view them as lonely souls. As a soldier of war I ponder over the question of evil within myself after many years I was able to forgive myself, we as humans beings are capable of committing such astrocities yet that does not mean that because of this we are absolute evil. Everyone can change and mend the error of their ways, giving people the benefit of the doubt will not taint you quite the contrarary it will help you in your internal growth process. The mirror you are looking at of others is a reflection of yourselve.

[dayzero]

This is a great thread.
You just have to ignore some people [like Hilary up there,]

Love these posts. Something has changed for sure.

>>New Galactic Spin Cycle about to begin.
Every 260-days we undergo a sacred spiral
of time known as the Galactic Spin Cycle.
Each approx 9 month cycle of time is understood as a
spiritual gestation cycle of growth and unfolding.
http://www.13moon.com/emailer_3storm_04.htm

Last few cycles now.......

I got sent this, which is rather good;

The Unknown.
As I write this, it is election day in the United States. Of course by the time you read this, the election will be over and a new era will have begun. What kind of new era will it be? There are those who fear the victory of either candidate. I have heard from family members and friends about how they believe the presidency of either McCain or Obama would spell the end of liberty and start us on the downward spiral toward Armageddon. Who is right? Will one of them bring the world to its knees and the other save us all? And if so, which one?
Of course, as Shaumbra we know it doesn’t really matter who wins this election. We know that the world is changing and nothing can stop it now. We know that humanity – as well as each individual – can choose the hard way or the easy way to wake up. But we also know that even with the Easy Button right under our fingertips waking up is the biggest challenge we’ve ever faced.
Can you imagine what it will be like in the coming weeks as people watch for their worst fears to play out? Will Obama turn the country into a socialist state? Will McCain alienate the rest of the world? Will the one who takes office be the final straw to push an ailing economy into collapse? Will all the other frightening scenarios that we’ve heard about come true?
As these fears torment millions of people, where can they possibly find hope? That’s where you come in, Shaumbra. Perhaps in the wee hours of some dark night when their mind is racing and their heart is heavy, a little bubble of New Energy potential will float through their awareness. Perhaps they will take a breath as a glimmer of hope enters their heart. Perhaps the echo of your own dark night – facing your deepest fears, struggling through your own economic collapse, searching for your own inner freedom – will whisper through their soul and they will feel the courage you dredged up from somewhere deep inside. Perhaps they will feel the New Energy that you invited in to your life.
Dear Shaumbra, this is the time you came for. Not a few years into the future, not when you finally “get it together,” not when everything is finally perfect in your life. Your time is NOW. All those challenges you have faced over the last many years have become the seeds of change for the rest of humanity. It doesn’t matter how you solved them, it doesn’t even matter if you’re still facing some of them. What matters is the divinity you brought to each experience, the trust you chose in yourself, the courage that keeps you going. Because of you, those are the things that others can tap into now when their hope is waning.
If I could tell every Shaumbra just one thing, it is that you make a difference just by being here and living your life. Whether that life of yours is big or small, hard or easy, painful or joyful, successful or dismal, the consciousness with which you live on earth makes a difference – now more than ever. The simple Presence that you bring to your existence radiates out to millions of others who can now choose an easier time and a new world because of you.
In a way it doesn’t really matter who wins this election. The future is unwritten and unknown. But you have already faced the Unknown in your life, looked it in the eyes and said “Yes” anyway. And it is that Yes that humanity needs to feel now.
…when the darkest cloud covers your heart and there’s no reason you can find to go on, you still say “Yes.”
…when the news tells you of another disaster happening somewhere, you hold the participants in your heart with compassion – and gently breathe “Yes” for their changes.
…when yet another friend turns away in rejection, shaking their head at your strange beliefs and walking away into another world, you bless their soul’s journey and remember the time before your own No became Yes.
…when you see fear in a stranger’s eyes and you feel them wondering if things will be okay, you just smile a gentle “Yes” right into their heart.
…when someone cries that the wrong man won, wringing their hands in despair at the world coming to an end, you say “Yes – and a new one is beginning.”
…when your own world appears to be disintegrating before your eyes and the Unknown is lurking just around the corner, simply whisper “Yes, I can fly now.”
…and when you feel the fear of a billion humans closing in around you, take that precious breath for yourself and with every beat of your Shaumbra heart let the universe hear your YES.
Yes to life; Yes to trust; Yes to hope; Yes to compassion; Yes to a whole new world.

[Esther]

I posted this on another forum regarding the anti christ accussation.
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Many presidents have been accused of being the anti christ and many other public and private figures as well. The problem is that most predictors (because I refuse to call them prophets) bring the word around because it catches the public's attention and that fills the coffers. And most can talk the talk. Very few have walked the talk. Prince Charles can now take a break from being labeled the anti christ.

The epistles of John I and II are the only ones who mention the anti christ. The book of Revelation does not. And yet, anti christ proponents bring the two together as if they were proposing the same issue.

Quotes from the Pe****ta, the only Bible that comes directly from Aramaic:

"18 ¶ My children, it is the last time; and as you have heard that a false christ shall come, even now there are many false christs, and from this we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from among us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they left us, that it might be known they did not belong to us.

20 ¶ But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you are enabled to distinguish between men.

21 I have written to you not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and are aware that no lie comes out of the truth.

22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is a false christ, and whoever denies the Father, denies the Son also.

23 Whoever denies the Son, the same does not believe in the Father; but whoever acknowledges the Son, acknowledges the Father also."

From this we know several things mainly that the anti christ would be basically against Christ, but for the purpose of this discussion that it was among the apostles and had come forth from them, not one but several people. Also, that the apostles would be able to recognize them because they had been annointed with the Holy Spirit. And furthermore, that the 'last time' or 'end of days' as have been proposed for the future were already with them.

From the Second Epistle of John chapter one:

"7 ¶ For many deceivers have appeared in the world, who do not acknowledge that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. Such a person is a deceiver and an antichrist."

Anyone proclaiming Jesus was a mythical figure is the anti christ. So we have essentially been living with the anti christ for eons.

The ones who are speculating about the anti christ coming in the future are contradicting the Books that propose the idea. One just cannot twist this around for our own advantage.

The anti christ that the ones who study prophecy comes about from men's insistence to know better than the original writers about what the prophecy claims. So, they mingle these passages together with passages from Daniel and Revelation to describe the one coming who puts so much fear in the hearts of men.

For one, he comes from Magog, mostly claimed to be Russia and he is a homosexual. Some people also hint he's Jewish. The mark on the foreheads self defined Christians who would love to see the Rapture, say it is a microship or a tattoo. Others, say it is the government's intervention to prevent people from developing the third eye.

And the most feared number then comes: 666, which has already been with humans for a long time as part of the barcode system. So we are all guilty.

I think the most pressing problem is that the authorship of the book of Revelation is highly debatable because it is not in the style of John the Apostle. Many scholars now attribute that book to John the priest (a converted Christian) because it is full with Jewish scriptural knowledge something the apostles were not experts in. It also departed from Jesus proposition that He had come to fulfill the Law and in a gentle way wanted His followers to understand that and to stop following it. It was done and over with because it had already served its purpose. He had rather come to love was the answer and that included our enemies. These makes going to war, an anti christ ideal.

To try to fulfill all of these requirements, Obama has been accused of being a terrorist lover, a homosexual and a host of other things. The terrorist lover part, all of the accusers are now backing out of. Read the New York Times online.

His defenders and it includes many of the 'predictors' say he comes to usher an era of peace. And the ones with the talent to see human auras say his is golden.

These man has inherited enormous problems from a government that seriously encroached on basic human rights.

Ad hominem attacks and character assassination simply does not cut it. Evidence does. We as people must indeed be a force to change this nation to a gentler time and not be so indifferent to the future of the human race.

Hopefully, this is the beginning of a that gentler time.

[martina]

I never have something to do with politics, but people want me to be informed, so I just pas this on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-KJC...eature=related

[Frank Samuel]

There's a serious flaw in the view about the Brezinsky hidden agenda . The goal according to these sources is to attack China and Russia. Who do you think are bailing out USA out of this economic crisis Brezinsky, I don't think so.
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/3351/53/
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials...oon110408.html
Now is hard to believe that the US is so stupid as to go to war with the very people who are giving us a helping hand, this logic sounds a bit far fetch.
Maybe I'm just too naive.

[piers2210]

I loved this thread...as a Brit looking over expectantly at you guys, all i can say is: NOTHING can be worse than Bush

love and peace

[DoctorWho]

Originally Posted by piers2210

I loved this thread...as a Brit looking over expectantly at you guys, all i can say is: NOTHING can be worse than Bush

love and peace

What about your Gordon Brown and his speed camera and congestion charge cronies?
Bill "the Doctor"

[piers2210]

Hi there Doctor Who....you're right maybe Gordon Brown is worse hehe

We've got the most surveillance cameras in public places of any nation on earth. hmm

I hope Obama works out.....but....but he is inheriting a mess.

[vibe]

I think that labelling Obama "saviour" or "antichrist" is completely out of proportion. He is neither, just an opportunist, who has been given an offer, he can't refuse. It is very difficult to believe, that he has not been aware all along, that he did not qualify to run for president, because he was not "a natural born citizen" i.e. someone, who has two American parent and is born on American soil. OBVIOUSLY he doesn't qualify!

What really gets me is, how many Americans do not THINK at all, but just let themselves be carried away and a time, when their country needs a good, strong leader more than ever.

I think he will have to paid quite a price for the fraud, he has committed and boy and I ever glad, I am not in his shoes!

Vibe

[eurosceptic]

Originally Posted by piers2210

Hi there Doctor Who....you're right maybe Gordon Brown is worse hehe

We've got the most surveillance cameras in public places of any nation on earth. hmm

I hope Obama works out.....but....but he is inheriting a mess.

I heard from a sourde that Brown is a Ped...... well you know....I dont mean a pedalist put it that way - and he may also be a clone!!!

not really surprising if either were true, what do you think??

[Delphi]

One of my reactions to B&K's interview with RS was "Well that explains why Gordon Brown is blind in one eye."

Love to all because the PTB are the PTB in order to wake us up!

[efields]

Originally Posted by david pavlak

As one who has only recently become a visitor to this site, and after reading all the comments in this particular thread, I have to say that I am a little bit suprised about all the references to an "anti-christ".

For, you see, there is no such creture as an "anti-christ" or any creature known as "satan". All these beings are inventions from mens' religions. Man has for centuries confused his many religions with the universal consciousness known as God, thinking that they are one in the same thing.

I apologize in advance for any offense taken by other readers.

Yes Thank You for some common sense here. There is more fear and attack on this forum than needs to be. Of that I am sure.

[bodzoyfa]

Originally Posted by david pavlak

As one who has only recently become a visitor to this site, and after reading all the comments in this particular thread, I have to say that I am a little bit suprised about all the references to an "anti-christ".

For, you see, there is no such creture as an "anti-christ" or any creature known as "satan". All these beings are inventions from mens' religions. Man has for centuries confused his many religions with the universal consciousness known as God, thinking that they are one in the same thing.

I apologize in advance for any offense taken by other readers.

You may be right in a spiritual sense. However, these prophecies are so important to the dark humans on earth that I believe they will stop at nothing to make sure that these prophecies are fulfilled.

Project Blue Beam?

[micjer]

Originally Posted by bodzoyfa

You may be right in a spiritual sense. However, these prophecies are so important to the dark humans on earth that I believe they will stop at nothing to make sure that these prophecies are fulfilled.

Project Blue Beam?

Yes I actually agree with both of you. The PTB 's plan is to use the book of revelations as a "screenplay" to reenact the written prophesy. I have read where the true meaning of satan is actually ego.

Time will tell which side Obama is working for. I hope that he is a white hat and working for the right side.

[brutus35]

There is NO Antichrist, just as there is no hell, and there is no satan, except in the minds of few who created those entities to instill fear, and exact control over the many, and those who choose to believe in their existence.
Obama,s function as a "Lightworker" is to anchor the Light and expose the truth. In order to fulfil his mission, "which includes the whole of earth" he has to surround himself with certain personages, and take action that at this moment may be deemed unacceptable or curious, to say the least. However, so far everything is unfolding exactly the way it should. The feathers of the remaining Dark Puppets, are, and will continue to be ruffled, but who should care??? Remember, there is nothing to worry about, "The Universe Is Always On Time"