Can any of you work this one out.

[orb]

In the concept of Free energy is it stated, there is more energy on one cubic inch of empty space, then we generate in the world in a day, so this has to be a form of intellgence or energy by default, and greater matter which has no form. Often this is called negative energy.

Many teaching and writings, including those of Aleister Crowley talks about nothingness to nothingness, and out of the nothing comes the fog that keeps gathering, until manifestation occurs into our reality, betwenn nothingness.

So one could say, our existence deprives creatvity, or existing in natural form, since we are filling otherwise empty space and possibly creator spirit as well, and that our existence in a way is less that the space we take up and displace.

Just simply accept that becomming nothing, is actually greater, not less, because it is more by being less, because what seems to be nothing actually is filled this elusive everything, and in a way you return to source.

Yeah, boggles my mind too, but now in writing this, I think I just had a sudden realization of why humans might be born in sin from a religious point of view, because we have manifested a body which takes away from the source usually present in empty space. And to be born again and inviting in Christ, would be inviting in the source that was displaced by you manifesting your body.

My head hurts.

[Rareheart]

In the same way fish have no natural fear of fire, humans can not grasp the concept of timelessness. We experience our day to day reality as a function of 3 dimensions plus time. All motion depends on time to define it (as well as the 3 spacial dimensions).
Our senses lead to awareness, awareness depends on time, for comparison.
Our minds compare everything we witness, to everything else we've witnessed over time.
So to remove time from the equation, would also remove the equation.

imho.

[brutus35]

Great thread,
I am in agreement with your postulation, Susan,
Here is what my research, associations, learning and meditations have taught me.
There is no such thing as "nothing" in the universe or cosmos, what we consider as nothing, is simple "not visible, or not perceived", and not non existent.
GOD the "Prime Existence" is not an entity or being, but rather the all ecompassing source of ALL light, All energy, All love and All consciuusness.
In other words if you can identify or concieve of all the light, love, energy and conciousnes that exist everywhere in everything that is in existence, then you have the "Prime Existence" that is GOD, the Divine Conciousness, the Eternal Oneness, The All there Is. There is no "outside of existence". no empty space, no seperate entity. Everything is just fragments or holographic projections of the one universal or cosmic SOUL. Again, in other words there is only (as Bob Marley so eloquently put it) One Love, One Light, One Energy and One Consciousness. That is all there was, all there is and all that there always will be.
I do know and was taught that it is extremely difficult (sometimes almost impossible) to conceptualize Eternal Oneness from a viewpoint of Limited conciousness and third Dimension Duality...Since light is all there is, one day everythng that we now perceive including the earth will return to the Light.
Let me remind you that the only purpose that we are here on this plane of existence, is to realise and embrace our Divinity, to change that part of our conciousness that is still in darkness to Light, so that we can re-merge with our higher self, which is pure Light....SIMPLE..

Give yourselves a pat on the back..Brothers and Sisters

"IT TAKES TREMENDOUS COURAGE TO BE HUMAN"

Emmanuel

[hueyii]

Originally Posted by brutus35

Let me remind you that the only purpose that we are here on this plane of existence, is to realise and embrace our Divinity, to change that part of our conciousness that is still in darkness to Light, so that we can re-merge with our higher self, which is pure Light....SIMPLE..
Emmanuel

I get this, but when I reach this point I'm stuck with the question, To what end? I mean if we manage to realize and embrace our divinty, re-merge with our higher self, which is pure Light. do we move on to something else or do we just start all over again?

[brutus35]

First of all, there is no such thing as an empty space. It is just not possible.
You may remember the experiment conducted by the german physicist Otto Von Gerrick, who tried to create an empty space, within the magdeberg hemispheres. When they thought they had succeeded they tried using 16 horses, 8 on each side of the half spheres, to pull them apart but could not.
They then concluded that even if you can create a space close to empty. it will have to be completely sealed off, super strong, and nothing will be able to exist in such a space.
When we have discovered and accepted our divinity, and as such end our cycle of reincarnating on the earth plane, we enter into a state of unlimited potential and full consciousness. We will then decide what we want to do next, where we want to go or exist or what next we want to create. We can even chose to return to the earth plane to assist those who are still in the learning process and are in need of guidance and consolation. The choice is always ours, has always been and always will be.
For the benefit of those who are still in doubt about choice..Please understand, that before you entered into this phase of earthly existence, you chose your parents, your name, the village, town, city and country you were to be born into. you chose your education, the car you will drive, in otherwords you chose every thing down to the most minutest detail of yor sojourn here, even the time and manner by which you will leave this earth plane. One reason is so that you will not be able to blame anyone for your present station or evoloutionary unfoldment...although many of us still do..
We fall victim to years and years of human conditioning and indoctrination and we totally forget who we are and why we are here.

That is why I think it was shakespeare who said, that All knowledge is reminisscent..

[linkes]

I also battled with getting my head around this concept at first, but it was just the conditioning, slowly as you start to rewire your brain the acceptance allows an opening, which then brings you back to that moment of connectedness.

It is only a matter of time .

Peace and Blessings
Linkes

[hueyii]

Originally Posted by linkes

I also battled with getting my head around this concept at first, but it was just the conditioning, slowly as you start to rewire your brain the acceptance allows an opening, which then brings you back to that moment of connectedness.

It is only a matter of time .

Peace and Blessings
Linkes

yep, I'm working on it. takes some 30 seconds and some 30 years. I'm pushing the 30 year mark. From time to time I get flashes of infinite understanding but they are instantly over. Somebody told me that was because before my mind could comnpletely grasp the infinite it had changed. It was like something clicked, like a door open but just as it was all dawning on me the door slammed shut, the information pulled away. Is that the "aha" moment? Whatever it was it was really cool and I enjoyed it better than anything.

[conjuredUp]

Ahhhhh....

Behold the Avalon I adore.

Sharing light. This is what it is all about. This will bring us to understanding.

Profoundly simple (It just IS) and confounding at the same time (but why?).

LOVELOVELOVE,
C

[Circlewerk]

The words, ideas, theories that I come to when thinking about this topic, thwart it at the same time.
If at once I think I know, I am limited by that knowledge. And that knowledge limits the vastness of it.
For now, there is contentment in uncertainty, and also a vibration that is beyond any knowledge that the past or possible future, offers.
I will make it small by trying to describe it, these words are so limiting. But the energy is profound when awareness shifts there & is being there.

Tuza, you were taught that God has no beginning & no end..energy is the same.
Moves into form, through form & out of form..

When I am the awareness of this, without the desire to know it or prove it, there is now and now is always enough.

Pure~
CW

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by hueyii

yep, I'm working on it. takes some 30 seconds and some 30 years. I'm pushing the 30 year mark. From time to time I get flashes of infinite understanding but they are instantly over. Somebody told me that was because before my mind could completely grasp the infinite it had changed. It was like something clicked, like a door open but just as it was all dawning on me the door slammed shut, the information pulled away. Is that the "aha" moment? Whatever it was it was really cool and I enjoyed it better than anything.

Some even Longer then 35 years... But then again, no regrets <it was a fun childish time, without responsibility. >|
I initiated a book party once, where friends could either write their own story and read it, or read part of their favorite book...
The only ones writing a new piece (Creativity) were my shaman at that time and me. He noted later, ain't it wonderful, that we even can do that if nesesary.. God knows what we can do more, if requested, and thus pointed to a possibility that is explorable.. Also that we were getting used to being behind the third eye, and starting to explore our path in that infinity creative territory.

I "played" the person my friends had known for so long, and read from piece of paper, I played I didn't recognize as being written to me., (1st rule of people playing an act: Never disappoint an audience.)
I had given this piece of paper to my partner before the party, with the message that that would be the last piece read that evening, and I would play like I didn't know who wrote it, and for certainly not acknowledge that it was written by me!!!.

Written by what I call my alter (IQ 10,000) ego (The Flashes you talk about.), explaining in a short story that this party was given as a bright thought to the person they knew, and specialy to give them the message on the paper:
That we were all gods.. And were going to exist forever. Plus that we better get used to the thought and start behaving like it.

I guess they went all home with something to think about.. If only whether I had now at last lost all my marbles
Most dropped me like a hot potato, when I choose to live my life my way in stead of the "accepted" and "paved" way, by dropping my old existence (The Lie I had lived for so long and worn like a body suit!) like a butterfly leaves behind its cocoon.

[brutus35]

Hey Huey11,
One can never loose their individuality, nor will you ever get tired of your existence, no matter how hard you try or wherever you may be in creation/existence. Depending on your state of being, you may not recognise yourself as a mary or a john etc. but you will always be in an individual state of being or beingness. I do not want to bore you with examples, but here's something to ponder..
One night I had one of my OBE's, and as I left my body and my room, I
found myself in a crowd of people boarding a bus, I ask someone where the bus was going, I got a response that we will soon be in Austin?. When the bus stopped around the next turn, I got out, as if being led to do so by some instinct. I looked across this old country road and saw two houses on a hill, I was instinctly drawn to the one that seemed old and wooden. I went to the kitchen area, and saw a little girl about 4 years of age, she looked towards me and said, "you forgot mummy". Since she did not address me as dady, and I did not know who she is or who I was in relation to her, I did not respond, but I suspected I (one of my other selves) was supposed to be there earlier and did not show up.
I went to what appeared as the living area, and as I got there I saw a young woman at about 26-28 years of age, and as she approached me, I said I am sorry I just got here but I had to catch the bus, to which she replied, "that's okay, I decided not to go to work today" and just before she reached me I was pulled back into my body.
This is typical of all of my OBE's I always seem to be just in the right place at the right time in order to fill in..The reason I say this is because I am unable to create an OBE, no matter how I have tried, however I always know when I am about to have one involuntary, and all I have to do is relax and at turn completely out or my body. The problem I always have is deciding how to respond to questions asked by those who can actually see me, because I am
not always visible to every one.
In essence you can never be bored, because there is and always be at your disposal myriads of galaxies to explore, to experience, to create within and yes.. to love. If you ever experience love in the astral realm "holy moly" you will realise you can never, never, ever be bored with existence....

[hueyii]

Originally Posted by brutus35

Hey Huey11,
One can never loose their individuality, nor will you ever get tired of your existence, no matter how hard you try or wherever you may be in creation/existence. Depending on your state of being, you may not recognise yourself as a mary or a john etc. but you will always be in an individual state of being or beingness. I do not want to bore you with examples, but here's something to ponder..
One night I had one of my OBE's, and as I left my body and my room, I
found myself in a crowd of people boarding a bus, I ask someone where the bus was going, I got a response that we will soon be in Austin?. When the bus stopped around the next turn, I got out, as if being led to do so by some instinct. I looked across this old country road and saw two houses on a hill, I was instinctly drawn to the one that seemed old and wooden. I went to the kitchen area, and saw a little girl about 4 years of age, she looked towards me and said, "you forgot mummy". Since she did not address me as dady, and I did not know who she is or who I was in relation to her, I did not respond, but I suspected I (one of my other selves) was supposed to be there earlier and did not show up.
I went to what appeared as the living area, and as I got there I saw a young woman at about 26-28 years of age, and as she approached me, I said I am sorry I just got here but I had to catch the bus, to which she replied, "that's okay, I decided not to go to work today" and just before she reached me I was pulled back into my body.
This is typical of all of my OBE's I always seem to be just in the right place at the right time in order to fill in..The reason I say this is because I am unable to create an OBE, no matter how I have tried, however I always know when I am about to have one involuntary, and all I have to do is relax and at turn completely out or my body. The problem I always have is deciding how to respond to questions asked by those who can actually see me, because I am
not always visible to every one.
In essence you can never be bored, because there is and always be at your disposal myriads of galaxies to explore, to experience, to create within and yes.. to love. If you ever experience love in the astral realm "holy moly" you will realise you can never, never, ever be bored with existence....

Beautiful. I always thought it would get "boring" being perfect. No adventure, no fun. I imagined the source as being this boring perfection and us being aspects of "it", "god", whatever you want to call it (weywtci), and our existence was to allow it/god/weywtci to experience. I use the word boring but dont take it in a negative way, it's just a word.

You talk about multiple incarnations existing at once. I read somewhere the thought that when you look out at a star, you may be there, looking back.

All this is fertile thought that helps me grow. People like Alan Watts, Echart Tolle, Mary Sparrowdancer and Terrence McKenna to name a few, have helped me awaken to this new reality.

Thanks for the response. Peace.

[Harper]

Tuza great question !

Its such a tough one for anyone else to answer because each person has their own set of beliefs (even a dis-belief is a belief) so I have always felt that "our" current world and all its possibilities, probablities and mirrors of itself has been created by a set of bigger creators, who themselves may be asking the exact same question in the big avalon in the sky :-)

Our world/s was forced into existance because of potential energy, an energy that got so great that it desired itself into form. I am also very attracted to the notion that sound or sound energy has had more of an influence than anyone expects. I think most people think that it was a by-product of a great explosion into life but I think its deeper than that and thats why I think we have notions like the big bang or from your own background (and mine) as catholic we have references to "in the begining was the word, and the word [U]became[U] god." Or in eastern religions that sound or chanting is a way to reach god.

I agree with previous posters that nothing could or cannot exist, that because we do not recognise something does not mean it doesn't exist. Scientists used to believe that the universe was basically filled with empty space now they know more they will say that every part of it is filled with dense dark matter or whatever else it will be called in the future, much like 100's of years ago we did not understand that we were sourrounded by air or invisible microbes etc.....

All the best of your journey -- this is the secret of life, to seek and create more and more on your path.

gg

[deepblu777]

INFINITY

It's always been a mind blower!

My favorite is INFINITE LOVE!

I just keep trying!

[hueyii]

Originally Posted by brutus35

First of all, there is no such thing as an empty space. It is just not possible.
You may remember the experiment conducted by the german physicist Otto Von Gerrick, who tried to create an empty space, within the magdeberg hemispheres. When they thought they had succeeded they tried using 16 horses, 8 on each side of the half spheres, to pull them apart but could not.
They then concluded that even if you can create a space close to empty. it will have to be completely sealed off, super strong, and nothing will be able to exist in such a space.
When we have discovered and accepted our divinity, and as such end our cycle of reincarnating on the earth plane, we enter into a state of unlimited potential and full consciousness. We will then decide what we want to do next, where we want to go or exist or what next we want to create. We can even chose to return to the earth plane to assist those who are still in the learning process and are in need of guidance and consolation. The choice is always ours, has always been and always will be.
For the benefit of those who are still in doubt about choice..Please understand, that before you entered into this phase of earthly existence, you chose your parents, your name, the village, town, city and country you were to be born into. you chose your education, the car you will drive, in otherwords you chose every thing down to the most minutest detail of yor sojourn here, even the time and manner by which you will leave this earth plane. One reason is so that you will not be able to blame anyone for your present station or evoloutionary unfoldment...although many of us still do..
We fall victim to years and years of human conditioning and indoctrination and we totally forget who we are and why we are here.

That is why I think it was shakespeare who said, that All knowledge is reminisscent..

So, its like a never ending journey and if we get tired of it we go back to source(?) Thats cool, but do we choose or not choose to incarnate/experience? If we go back to source to we become part of the overall divine intelligence? I know alot of people wouldnt want to give up thier individuality (go back to source) because they are so convinced that is who they are.

[angel3553]

I believe that everything science is now telling us about the unified field we all belong to is simply consciousness.

Taking that back to where this started then in the beginning, when nothing existed - that is nothing manifest, in this void there was only consciousness.

Therefore, it was consciousness that first created. Here is where we return to sacred geometry.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ujAlmq_v32c

[She-Ra]

Originally Posted by orb

In the concept of Free energy is it stated, there is more energy on one cubic inch of empty space, then we generate in the world in a day, so this has to be a form of intellgence or energy by default, and greater matter which has no form. Often this is called negative energy.

Many teaching and writings, including those of Aleister Crowley talks about nothingness to nothingness, and out of the nothing comes the fog that keeps gathering, until manifestation occurs into our reality, betwenn nothingness.

So one could say, our existence deprives creatvity, or existing in natural form, since we are filling otherwise empty space and possibly creator spirit as well, and that our existence in a way is less that the space we take up and displace.

Just simply accept that becomming nothing, is actually greater, not less, because it is more by being less, because what seems to be nothing actually is filled this elusive everything, and in a way you return to source.

Yeah, boggles my mind too, but now in writing this, I think I just had a sudden realization of why humans might be born in sin from a religious point of view, because we have manifested a body which takes away from the source usually present in empty space. And to be born again and inviting in Christ, would be inviting in the source that was displaced by you manifesting your body.

My head hurts.

Crowley knew ancient Indian texts, as did Blavatsky (as did Hitler and many others). Basically, it is said that existence or the universe comes from and goes back to the unmanifested - otherwise known as sleep or 'potential'. It is also called 'breath' or later known as the 'Night of brahma', where the expansion/contraction goes in cycles of sleeping/waking, breathing in (unmanifested) and breathing out (manifested). The completeness of consciousness is in the unmanifested/sleep stage, whereas the manifested is at a distance from 'God'/Creator/Creation/Consciousness - a separation from the consciousness of the universe.

There are many terms to explain the same thing because of all the languages for translation and the difficult of the originals.

[Peer]

Hi Tuza,
let go of time and start living in the now and you will understand.
Can't be explained, must be experienced.

[orb]

One thing that I did not realize, is that unlike Aleister who had his book dictated to him by Thelma, Blavatsky is claimed to have her books dictated by the Matrya, as in the same Matrya who is communicating through Benjamin Creme, and Share International. The claim Blavatsky was the first person who was successful in publishing books without being censored and blocked by the church.

Originally Posted by She-Ra

as did Blavatsky (as did Hitler and many others). .

[hueyii]

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