buying gold/ moving to ecuador not likely for me. Options for the modest of means?

[Chris1617]

Originally Posted by goody8504

where did the rosicrucians get this number from? it is my feeling that there is no set time period that one has to wait before reincarnating. first of all, many sources support the idea that suicide leads to an immediate reincarnation. obviously, the 144 yrs would not apply here. also, we have never seen a population this huge before. it is impossible that all of the people living on earth today were also here, in the physical sense, 144 years ago.

furthermore, according to dr michael newton's book Journey of Souls, nobody can force the soul to reincarnate before it is ready. the soul must make this decision for itself. it makes more sense to me that the amount of time that one usually waits before reincarnating probably decreases when the population, or the demand for souls, increases. the reason i feel this way is because if there were an event where most of the world's population was killed, then it couldn't possibly be the case that the 6 billion people who died in the event would reincarnate in another 144 yrs because there just wouldn't be enough bodies to go around.

this is mostly speculation on my part. any thoughts anybody?

Hi Roy & Goody,

This is interesting, and your speculating well thought out IMO, Goody.

Billy Meier and the Plejaren say that the natural span between lifetimes is around 1.5 times the life lived. So a 96-97 year lifetime would require 144 years in spirit according to them. The average lifespan hasn't been that high for a while as we all know so it is more likely that the Rosicrucians had some inkling of the near truth and perhaps used the old standby number of 144 to come up with their calculation (my speculation this time).

This 1.5 times the lifespan is needed to properly process and integrate the life's experiences into the spirit frequency. You will note, however, that they say this is the natural span guided by Creation/Source. As you astutely note though, Goody, our population has been expanding at an unnatural and even alarming rate. When this happens the spirits are called upon by the physical to incarnate earlier than the optimum so that not all the life experiences and lessons learned are fully integrated into spirit before it incarnates again. This creates even further problems as you can well imagine.

Creation/Source does not force anything, that is what mankind does, and so this natural law has been and is still being violated resulting in spirits coming back to incarnate earlier and earlier as the population increases.

It may be that those coming back almost immediately after death are those who were initially ready for a longer life that was unexpectedly cut short. Some recent cases of quick reincarnation might tend to support this hypothesis, notably a young Sri Lankan or Indian girl featured in what I believe was a BBC Discovery documentary.

If most of the world's population were killed the natural law in this case would be returned to, quite naturally, and there would be 1.5 times (approximately) the lifespan between spirit incarnations again. So if the human lived then for 50 years the spirit would reincarnate after about 75 years, living 80 years would return after 120, and so on. Of course, the spirit may rest very much longer with a lower population. The spirits most compatible either in frequency or for lessons to be learned, experiences to be gained, are, I believe, the ones who would be incarnating again at the natural time. Others would wait their time.

Very best,

Chris

[roy bodien]

Originally Posted by Chris1617

Hi Roy & Goody,

This is interesting, and your speculating well thought out IMO, Goody.

Billy Meier and the Plejaren say that the natural span between lifetimes is around 1.5 times the life lived. So a 96-97 year lifetime would require 144 years in spirit according to them. The average lifespan hasn't been that high for a while as we all know so it is more likely that the Rosicrucians had some inkling of the near truth and perhaps used the old standby number of 144 to come up with their calculation (my speculation this time).

This 1.5 times the lifespan is needed to properly process and integrate the life's experiences into the spirit frequency. You will note, however, that they say this is the natural span guided by Creation/Source. As you astutely note though, Goody, our population has been expanding at an unnatural and even alarming rate. When this happens the spirits are called upon by the physical to incarnate earlier than the optimum so that not all the life experiences and lessons learned are fully integrated into spirit before it incarnates again. This creates even further problems as you can well imagine.

Creation/Source does not force anything, that is what mankind does, and so this natural law has been and is still being violated resulting in spirits coming back to incarnate earlier and earlier as the population increases.

It may be that those coming back almost immediately after death are those who were initially ready for a longer life that was unexpectedly cut short. Some recent cases of quick reincarnation might tend to support this hypothesis, notably a young Sri Lankan or Indian girl featured in what I believe was a BBC Discovery documentary.

If most of the world's population were killed the natural law in this case would be returned to, quite naturally, and there would be 1.5 times (approximately) the lifespan between spirit incarnations again. So if the human lived then for 50 years the spirit would reincarnate after about 75 years, living 80 years would return after 120, and so on. Of course, the spirit may rest very much longer with a lower population. The spirits most compatible either in frequency or for lessons to be learned, experiences to be gained, are, I believe, the ones who would be incarnating again at the natural time. Others would wait their time.

Very best,

Chris

I guess at this stage in my thought pattern is I find that reincarnation is a mute point. I mean it doesn' matter the amount of time as time is infinite anyway. And the reason I say this is whether we are connected to a past life or not, we are a spiritual beings having a human experience. It's being able to connect to your higher source in the present and this life time. In the now.

This would be that we have many experiences as we would have many life times. Just like David Wilcock, people and he himself say he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, But he's taken a different path than Edgar Cayce. Or trying to by reaching a larger audience though his materials "Convergence" and the use of new technology. He has a direct connection with "Ra" just as did Edgar Cayce.

If you have ever read the "Seth" material or books like "Education of Over-Soul Seven" Those incarnations were all connected to a over soul or a higher consciousness. And books like Richard Bach "One" being we are all connected.

So in writing this I guess I'm trying to get in touch with my higher self (really don't think if I'm succeeding). I've read a lot of books and they made me think and feel good, but after awhile, I just wanted to have the experience, ie; cosmic consciousness or just knowing I'm on the right path (which I really believe I am).

For me, it is a saying "To much analyze causes paralysis". But I don't want to minimize anyones views on reincarnation and time spent on each incarnation.

Everyone is where they need to be!

Anyway that's my thoughts! Peace and Love to all

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by roy bodien

i'm trying to get in touch with my higher self (really don't think if I'm succeeding).

you do NOT try anything, you either DO, or, YOU do NOT do

either / oar (pardon the pun)

instead, you say -- i am in touch with my higher self
and, you ask it, and, only it, three times, to make contact

do this as many times as necessary, for it to happen

it helps to learn to quiet/and, slow your mind

try going 5 min / 10 min and, then 15 minutes with NO thoughts

very soon, if you can accomplish that,

you do MAKE contact --

as, long as you really think, you are NOT succeeding...

guess what, you will fail

see it as a fact,

invite this elusive "higher self" of yours, into your "dream_worlds"
when you go to sleep, and, ask, for 3D bleed-through
so, you might catch a glimpse of it
well you least exect it !!!

guess what -- this is likely to work for you !!!

brightest blessings of energy, light and love to all

enjoy "the trip"...
it's been a long journey back to finding "avalon"

the eXchanger

[Swamisalami]

you do NOT try anything, you either DO, or, YOU do NOT do

either / oar (pardon the pun)

instead, you say -- i am in touch with my higher self
and, you ask it, and, only it, three times, to make contact

do this as many times as necessary, for it to happen

it helps to learn to quiet/and, slow your mind

try going 5 min / 10 min and, then 15 minutes with NO thoughts

very soon, if you can accomplish that,

you do MAKE contact --

as, long as you really think, you are NOT succeeding...

guess what, you will fail

see it as a fact,

invite this elusive "higher self" of yours, into your "dream_worlds"
when you go to sleep, and, ask, for 3D bleed-through
so, you might catch a glimpse of it
well you least expect it !!!

guess what -- this is likely to work for you !!!

brightest blessings of energy, light and love to all

enjoy "the trip"...
it's been a long journey back to finding "avalon"

the eXchanger


What is 3D bleed-through????

Regards

[Swamisalami]

Whoops, there's that 11:11 again

[MartyMcFailure]

i am modest of means too. look up zombie squad on google. i am in new york city. and im staying here for now. even if u die u wont die. theres nothing to be scared of. u live ur life with integrity. like st clair says 'seeing is its own right action'.. thats it. id rather be in a familial/ tribal situation during the really hard times out in the boondocks just focus on gettin back to nature and surviving. then after judgement day we'll pick up the pieces and let the radiant zones come organically. because thats the only way they can come.
imagine all these rich dudes and their hordes of supplies in equador watching dvds and eating beef jerky, bartering with gold bars and talking to their other equador friends on ham radios. I'd rather see with my own eyes what happens to my home. id rather be with my peeps come what may. i would rather be part of a resistance if these ss blackwater nazis start throwing people into concentration (fema) camps. whats the use of trying ti staying out of harms way when all of this is only a manifestation of ALL OF OUR collective unconscious. the s*** that we'v been denying and burying in ourself is coming to meet us on the outside. we are and will be meeting ourselves, no matter what! face it head on

[malakai]

Yeah, I have heard this somewhere before.
From a dead person that is, sounds to me that you want to just lay down and die.
Because if you are on the surface when the time comes, the story ends there.
Peace be with you

Originally Posted by MartyMcFailure

i am modest of means too. look up zombie squad on google. i am in new york city. and im staying here for now. even if u die u wont die. theres nothing to be scared of. u live ur life with integrity. like st clair says 'seeing is its own right action'.. thats it. id rather be in a familial/ tribal situation during the really hard times out in the boondocks just focus on gettin back to nature and surviving. then after judgement day we'll pick up the pieces and let the radiant zones come organically. because thats the only way they can come.
imagine all these rich dudes and their hordes of supplies in equador watching dvds and eating beef jerky, bartering with gold bars and talking to their other equador friends on ham radios. I'd rather see with my own eyes what happens to my home. id rather be with my peeps come what may. i would rather be part of a resistance if these ss blackwater nazis start throwing people into concentration (fema) camps. whats the use of trying ti staying out of harms way when all of this is only a manifestation of ALL OF OUR collective unconscious. the s*** that we'v been denying and burying in ourself is coming to meet us on the outside. we are and will be meeting ourselves, no matter what! face it head on

[FrostyMcunicron]

you do NOT try anything, you either DO, or, YOU do NOT do Or so says thee pleadies!

[King Lear]

PEOPLE, THINK ABOUT IT!

[roy bodien]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

you do NOT try anything, you either DO, or, YOU do NOT do

either / oar (pardon the pun)

instead, you say -- i am in touch with my higher self
and, you ask it, and, only it, three times, to make contact

do this as many times as necessary, for it to happen

try going 5 min / 10 min and, then 15 minutes with NO thoughts

very soon, if you can accomplish that,

invite this elusive "higher self" of yours, into your "dream_worlds"
when you go to sleep, and, ask, for 3D bleed-through
so, you might catch a glimpse of it
well you least exect it !!!


the eXchanger

Thanks exchanger...I will certainly do use this information and yes what is 3D bleed-through?