JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Czymra

I do agree with the notion of 'saving ourselves' and many other concepts that dismiss dogmas of any kind. However, I am still left wondering what's left and how this actually ties in with the life I'm leading for obviously if I can't even escape in death, what's the point? And when living, am I to act and stand thoughtless and emotionless at all times or is this just a state to 'ground' me again?

I agree too with the notion of 'saving ourselves'. Salvation = self-elevation.

That was the true message of Jesus, Guatama and many others before and since. It's the very minimum which the false teachers need to parrot in order to have any apparant credibiliy even when they're promising UFO landings and whatnot as external salvation too.

We can escape the lower-ego in death if we escape it in life. It is assumed that the nirvanic state (the soul at-One with the I AM) is soley a passive state of 'knowing' or 'nothingness'. It's also been said that it's a state of non-identity and non activity. These definitions are unbalanced and make it easy to miss something in the translation.

When one finds the centre of being - personal spiritual Selfhood - the ego is no longer active with IT's feelings and IT's thoughts. IT's identity is 'no more' which allows the unobstructed expression of the true Self through the mind and emotions. See the difference? Doesn't mean the christ-consciousness is inactive. The lower-ego (the negative aspects of the psyche) has been inactivated.

On the path to the center, as we get nearer the flame of true being, the subtle emotional and mental bodies are progressively purged of the gross egoistic urges which keep the soul disturbed and ignorant of the higher- Self. In the process, the vibrations of the lower-ego (fear, hatred etc) are transmuted into light and thereby removed as an obstacle to the realisation and expression of true being.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

When one finds the centre of being - personal spiritual Selfhood - the ego is no longer active with IT's feelings and IT's thoughts. IT's identity is 'no more' which allows the unobstructed expression of the true Self through the mind and emotions. See the difference? Doesn't mean the christ-consciousness is inactive. The lower-ego (the negative aspects of the psyche) has been inactivated.

Firstly, sorry for triple posting here.

Milk and Honey, I understand and this does make a difference. It does sound like some scary entity is taking possession of me however and the 'I' (whatever that is, and whatever right it has of being) would be purged and lost. Maybe I'm afraid of losing that along with all my relations?

Thanks for the input, and again sorry for posting so many answer. I'll wait longer next time to combine them.

[heroskiss]

Has anyone studied the Course in Miracles and seen the work of James being a more in depth explanation. For me, studying the Course has made me think about the world differently. The Course says, "Do not try and change the world but rather change the way you think about the world".
Studying James material or the Course, one would certainly tend to think about life differently.

The Course also says,
Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God.

That would mean religion, spirituality, 3d dimension to 7th dimension or anything else in between doesn't truly exist. If it dies, it doesn't exist. Only what is eternal is real.

If you like James' material, which I do, I think some of you might find the Course in Miracles at the very least.....interesting.

I'm not trying to sell anything here....I find myself looking at it all. Seeing all the paths and finding the commonalities within them. love it!

Thank you to Kerry and Bill and to all of us out their making a difference in the "illusion".

Claudia

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by heroskiss

Has anyone studied the Course in Miracles and seen the work of James being a more in depth explanation. For me, studying the Course has made me think about the world differently. The Course says, "Do not try and change the world but rather change the way you think about the world". That appears to be what is happening with me, although I know my limits


Studying James material or the Course, one would certainly tend to think about life differently.

The Course also says,
Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God.

That would mean religion, spirituality, 3d dimension to 7th dimension or anything else in between doesn't truly exist. If it dies, it doesn't exist. Only what is eternal is real.

I can see that, I can see myself as nothingness w/potential and only what I say is real is real, although we rigged that up to be very complicated and not that easy to extricate ourselves from "unconscious reality" at this stage.

If you like James' material, which I do, I think some of you might find the Course in Miracles at the very least.....interesting.

I'm not trying to sell anything here....I find myself looking at it all. Seeing all the paths and finding the commonalities within them. love it!

Thank you to Kerry and Bill and to all of us out their making a difference in the "illusion".

Claudia

please see dialogue within quotes.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Firstly, sorry for triple posting here.

Milk and Honey, I understand and this does make a difference. It does sound like some scary entity is taking possession of me however and the 'I' (whatever that is, and whatever right it has of being) would be purged and lost. Maybe I'm afraid of losing that along with all my relations?

It's a gradual process. Only the negative aspects of the psyche are changed by the transformer of spiritual Identity. As you surrender those aspects of the lower-self, the higher-Self displaces or replaces them. So there's a sense of continuity and growth. You change for the best.

The idea that you lose the personal self is untrue. You simply re-discover your real Self as the negative 'skins' of the darker aspects of the ego are shed. During this process your soul in the material plane gradually rises in vibration as your spiritual-Self in the spiritual plane descends into matter to embrace it. The soul is awakening to it's origin. Isn't that beautiful? The more you see the inner raiment of the Spiritual- Self the easier it is to identify and surrender the tattered garments of the lower-ego. In that union of both aspects of being is ecstatic joy, soul liberty and ascension.

[Czymra]

Thanks for all those answers Gnosis and Milk and Honey.

[Gnosis5]

You're most welcome I like Milk 'n Honey's poetic descriptions.

love,
gnosis