Where Are We on 9-11 Truth?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Originally Posted by micjer

I am open to all theories, and there is evidence that the thermite theory is correct. However, I am not going to say that Dr Wood does not have science behind her theory. To say that she has no science would be to deny the fact that directed energy weapons do not exist. Well I 100% certain that they do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon

I never said energy weapons do not exist. I am saying that her observations from that day can be interpreted in different ways. There have been base tests for thermite. There have been no base test of energy weapons. At the moment, the nano-thermite angle is the best chance of getting 9/11 re-investigated and isnt that after all, what it is all about?

[micjer]

Yes I do agree. It needs to be reinvestigated, and hard evidence (that was quickly put into containers and sent to China) is what is required to get results.

Most disasters sit with caution tape around it for a period of time until investigators do their thing. Heck the dust hadn't even settled and they were carting it out of there. More proof that it was all premeditated.

The only smoking gun with the beam weapon theory may be in what melted and deformed the vehicles? Is there a way of proving they were done with microwave energy? Certainly very bizarre.





Why does this ambulance have melted inside doors? The inside looks to have suffered more heat damage than the outside. What would cause that?






http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/JJ1.html

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Originally Posted by micjer

Yes I do agree. It needs to be reinvestigated, and hard evidence (that was quickly put into containers and sent to China) is what is required to get results.

Most disasters sit with caution tape around it for a period of time until investigators do their thing. Heck the dust hadn't even settled and they were carting it out of there. More proof that it was all premeditated.

The only smoking gun with the beam weapon theory may be in what melted and deformed the vehicles? Is there a way of proving they were done with microwave energy? Certainly very bizarre.





Why does this ambulance have melted inside doors? The inside looks to have suffered more heat damage than the outside. What would cause that?








http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/JJ1.html

Here is an hypothosis:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/15847


Interview with Judy Wood and breakdown of interview: (she evades lots of questions and is very vague and her evidence is faulty and does not seem to know what she is talking about)

http://www.911blogger.com/node/8110

Also read this:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...ry-Jenkins.pdf

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Originally Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN

Here is an hypothosis:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/15847


Interview with Judy Wood and breakdown of interview: (she evades lots of questions and is very vague and her evidence is faulty and does not seem to know what she is talking about)

http://www.911blogger.com/node/8110

Also read this:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...ry-Jenkins.pdf

any comments?

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN

any comments?

I am reading everyone's posts but I'll defer to others. I have not listened to Judy Wood recently; I only remember her from a couple of years ago.

I started this thread because of the allegation that there are disloyal Americans - paid disinfo agents - within the truth movement!

That is what concerns me. That's the allegation that I'm trying to clear up. What will it take to do that?

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Seashore

I am reading everyone's posts but I'll defer to others. I have not listened to Judy Wood recently; I only remember her from a couple of years ago.

I started this thread because of the allegation that there are disloyal Americans - paid disinfo agents - within the truth movement!

That is what concerns me. That's the allegation that I'm trying to clear up. What will it take to do that?

Is it not true that it is being alleged by anyone that within the 9-11 truth movement there are paid disinfo agents?

[micjer]

This is no different than when JFK was assinated. Mix facts with truth so that there becomes too many theories to prove what actually happened.

Now it is difficult to see who is disinfo and who is not. Chances are that disinfo will be telling 80% truth, and then mix in reasonable doubt so it would not stand up in court.

You know what I think....they are all partly true.

The plane (or cruise missile) definately did the intitial damage. Did not cause the towers to collapse.

Next you can see the mini explosions as the tower collapses. So I think there was mini-nukes/thermite planted in the towers at strategic points.

I believe that there is evidence that a scalar weapon was also involved. Total disintegration of everything but the paper. The vehicles have turned to jelly and a fire alone does not do this.

I think that the tower 7 was a controlled demolition. Testimony from witnesses (many of whom have been eliminated) point to explosions within the building just prior to its collapse at 5 pm. Silverstein said they "pulled it".




I don't expect agreement with me but this is what I am going with. Everyone should reach their own conclusions.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by micjer

This is no different than when JFK was assinated. Mix facts with truth so that there becomes too many theories to prove what actually happened.

Now it is difficult to see who is disinfo and who is not. Chances are that disinfo will be telling 80% truth, and then mix in reasonable doubt so it would not stand up in court.

You know what I think....they are all partly true ...

Thank you, micjer.

Let's be more specific at this point. Let's name a 9-11 truther and get it on record if there is a member who believes he is a dis-info agent: Alex Jones.

Is there a member who believes Alex Jones is a paid 9-11 truth disinfo agent?

Also, have Judy Wood and Mel Mabregas intimated on air that Alex Jones is a disinfo agent?

[no caste]

Originally Posted by Seashore

Is it not true that it is being alleged by anyone that within the 9-11 truth movement there are paid disinfo agents?

I'm not sure what you mean by this Seashore. In my opinion, and to my knowledge, all counter movements are infiltrated. It's the best strategy to gather intelligence, find out who to knock off (wasn't there a paramedic in S America who feared for his life?).

Now, even before 9/11 I was following the Enron story, because it affected me personally as an Albertan taxpayer in Canada (Operation Stanley). Building 7 I believe had connection to that. To cover up any crime - remember, this attack had NO criminal investigation - people and evidence are destroyed. I think there already is information about the private assassination squads.
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Enron ties to the Bush Administration
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Enron_bush.htm

[no caste]

Originally Posted by no caste

(Wasn't there a paramedic in S America who feared for his life?).

To clarify: This is the one I was thinking of, a FEMA videographer, not a paramedic. It's posted somewhere on the forum too.

Kurt Sonnenfeld : Exclusive interview
9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public
As official videographer for the U.S. government, Kurt Sonnenfeld was detailed to Ground Zero on September 11, 2001, where he spent one month shooting 29 tapes of film: "What I saw at certain moments and in certain places ... is very disturbing!" He never handed them over to the authorities and has been persecuted ever since. Kurt Sonnenfeld lives in exile in Argentina, where he wrote "El Perseguido" (the persecuted). His recently-published book tells the story of his unending nightmare and drives another nail into the coffin of the government’s account of the 9/11 events.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article160636.html

Re Enron: I'm also adding this link which also has some interesting information about the Aspen Institute (CO), as well as $7 Billion of Public Funds went to Enron etc.

ENRON-BUSH-HARVARD-WTC-OIL-CONNECTION
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Enron_bush.htm

[micjer]

Sorry I haven't been able to get on forum for some reason for the last day and half. I'll read it and post comment.

Have you seen the latest documentary by CBC Fifth Estate. Very well done.

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any more thoughts?

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by BROOK

I've been following Judy Wood from the beginning, and strongly gravitate toward her theory. When you watch a steel beam turn to dust on video, right in front of your eyes...it is obvious

It is amazing that the American public believes that the twin towers were taken down by a plane. Time to wake up America!

They believe it, because they were told to believe it, from the moment of the event happening. The spin machine churned out the "correct" way to think & understand what happened & they have believed wholeheartedly.

Dr. Wood does an excellent job in explaining how this type of conditioning occurs in her interview with Mel Febregas on Manticore. If you have not listened to t, its a must. I call it the 2nd level of awakening.

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

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They believe it, because they were told to believe it, from the moment of the event happening. The spin machine churned out the "correct" way to think & understand what happened & they have believed wholeheartedly.

Dr. Wood does an excellent job in explaining how this type of conditioning occurs in her interview with Mel Febregas on Manticore. If you have not listened to t, its a must. I call it the 2nd level of awakening.

You better believe it. I certainly got another rude awakening with her interview. wow wow wow

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

You better believe it. I certainly got another rude awakening with her interview. wow wow wow

I will look at all events now with "new eyes" & not with ears. I'll bet that she had no clue that somewhere in her career, she would end up awakening the people to something so insidious.

One point that she made & I just remembered this, is when she talked about the steel being carted off to China? There was no steel, because it disintegrated into dust......yet we all heard those words about the steel and China & we never questioned it or connected the dots.

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

I will look at all events now with "new eyes" & not with ears. I'll bet that she had no clue that somewhere in her career, she would end up awakening the people to something so insidious.

One point that she made & I just remembered this, is when she talked about the steel being carted off to China? There was no steel, because it disintegrated into dust......yet we all heard those words about the steel and China & we never questioned it or connected the dots.

Exactly....how does steel turn to dust anyway?

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Exactly....how does steel turn to dust anyway?

or how did all the papers fly all over and none were burned ?

where were the toilets ? crazy stuff huh

The biggest problem is that the truth of the charges hold so that it is not double jeopardy

The more they get away with the longer it will continue

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

or how did all the papers fly all over and none were burned ?

where were the toilets ? crazy stuff huh

The biggest problem is that the truth of the charges hold so that it is not double jeopardy

The more they get away with the longer it will continue

Exactly!

[micjer]

Hey didn't the MSM have an article about the steel from the WTC was used to make a new battleship or something in the last couple of weeks. I'll try and find it.

[micjer]

Found it. So is this a distraction once again from the truth?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334332,00.html


March 1, 2008: About 7.5 tons of steel recovered from the World Trade Center are cast in the bow stem of the USS New York.

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by micjer

Found it. So is this a distraction once again from the truth?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334332,00.html


March 1, 2008: About 7.5 tons of steel recovered from the World Trade Center are cast in the bow stem of the USS New York.

Unfortunately .................that is another LIE and yes a distraction.

wow they had it all figured out. Just another day for them.......

When I heard Judy speak she made a remark about how the dust was not burning the firemens boots but yet there was a big to do over getting the dog some type of slipper.

[micjer]

You know when I stop and think about it , 7.5 tons is not very much. One truck can carry 40 ton. So maybe this did come from the basement or something. There were a couple of steel beams in the rubble at the bottom. It was the top of the buildings that got disintegrated.

I still think the pentagon was hit with a cruise missile.

[manticore]

Originally Posted by micjer

Hey didn't the MSM have an article about the steel from the WTC was used to make a new battleship or something in the last couple of weeks. I'll try and find it.

That's right micjer, supposedly with the steel beams, right? Shipping steel to China was a great cover so that people could say "See? They're shipping the steel to China." Did you see any steel at all, aside from the small beams that remained erected? Almost like the CGI image of the plane blip that "crashed" on the Pentagon. There wasn't even a picture on the cover pages, but the headlines were in BOLD letters. Therefore, the average person would say "See, finally the published that picture, so truthers, shut up, there's the plane."

Mel

[orthodoxymoron]

Here is a video clip which has puzzled me for more than a year. Watch the first few seconds very carefully...and notice a nebulous something which almost swims toward the towers. You may have to watch several times to see what I mean. What the hell is this? Is it a UFO? There are a number of videos with seeming UFO activity. A Lt. Colonel on the Daniel Ott show indicated that 9/11 was alien connected. The YouTube clip was removed...last time I checked. I found the segment...but as you can see below...it still doesn't work. The rest of the segments work fine. This one hasn't worked for months. Why? The rest of the interview was very interesting. Did ET phone Rome...and call 911? Was 9/11 an Inside D.U.M.B. Job? Did several factions and countries unite to pull this off? What was the energy source for the pulverization? A space weapon? John Lear thought so in the Camelot interview. Remember the space photo from directly above Manhatten while the towers burned? Could a UFO weapon have been used? What about micro-nukes? At the very least...we need a new and exhaustive investigation of 9/11 with the best academics in the world presiding over say a $50 million budget to REALLY get to the bottom and top of this madness.

[swordsmith]

Dr Judy Wood has had people who have stood beside her for some time, one from this country is Andrew Johnson. There are some posts from him regarding their work together on this forum .( from the pre subscription days when a wider response was possible)

I applaud Andrew also for his excellent site," check the evidence ", and his long standing dedication to the exposure of the chemtrail operation.

So many heros out there, many of them low profile and not at all compensated financially for their extreme dedication and the danger they may put themselves in.

Andrew lectures occasionally in the UK and has some excellent early DVD presentations from Judy Wood. It's good people are finally getting to the truth of the truth. He was one of the first to allow me to see Deagle for who he is in regard to spreading disinfo in the so called truth movement .

Everyone has an agenda . I like Judy's.
I bet initially "they" thought she wouldn't be taken seriously as a woman, and it may have kept her alive, that and using terminology like" fuzzy blobs".
What a woman!