The ego what is it? How to transcend? - Page 2

Gnosis5 · 01-02-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ConsciousSponge

The lotus blossom is a symbol of transcendence, remember where it comes from and what it grows in and then finally what is displayed to the world...from inside out.

It is more valuable than bars of gold and silver.

Gnosis5 · 01-02-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by greybeard

Guess we are are all talking about that which cannot be spoken off.
Smiling
Chris

And perhaps only those who are truly initiated into it cannot talk about it. But we can be personal coaches for those sincerely on the path. We will probably lose IT if we are not. An opinion, not a known fact in my case 'cuz I'm still in an initiation process.

giovonni · 01-02-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ConsciousSponge

I had an epiphany tonight

I was listening to an Eckhart Tolle Power of now audio book, not sure which one as my zune was on shuffle. He was speaking about those moments of complete consciousness that everyone has but most don't recognize. I remembered mine, funny that they should be while admiring my wife...but not physically it was always like I was looking through her and into her(it has been a while). It always made her anxious but in a good way. Then the Buddha flower sermon came to mind and it was the most wonderful thing, my mind was free of thought and everything just melted away, I just got it, can't explain it...words don't do it justice. I've been soo relaxed since, I even feel lighter.

The closest I can come to explaining the sermon is: Enlightenment is True Love in the I of the Beholder.

Wonderful metaphorical example

your lovely

wife<>chris

she is your true Lotus blossom~

keep her close!

Gnosis5 · 01-02-2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kriya

Hi Chris,

I've just found these, and thought of you!

Happy New Year!!

Enjoy!!!

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...SnbG2Cw&hl=en#

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...maharaj&hl=en#

Love,

Kriya

Yes, that is my path now: seeking the source of my first ego impulse, my original "sin" and for me it is taking me on a journey of seeing my history as a spiritual being which included embodied lifetimes on various planets, but the majority as a disembodied being less and less attached to mine own and other's creations as I peel away the layers. Tears wash away the "sins" and laughter ridiculizes my prior thoughts and decisions. Happiness with myself and others follows because I release my attachments by looking at them.

The only "correction" to what I saw in this video is the idea of a "deeply inverted mind". I would refine the concept to "introspective" which puts one in an altered state that is mainly subjective. Looking into the subconscious would be a technical western description.

His larger message, and mine, is that we can all do the work he did and be like him -- we ARE like him and he wants us to come out and play/commune as brothers/sisters with him

ConsciousSponge · 01-02-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Yes, that is my path now: seeking the source of my first ego impulse, my original "sin" and for me it is taking me on a journey of seeing my history as a spiritual being which included embodied lifetimes on various planets, but the majority as a disembodied being less and less attached to mine own and other's creations as I peel away the layers. Tears wash away the "sins" and laughter ridiculizes my prior thoughts and decisions. Happiness with myself and others follows because I release my attachments by looking at them.

The only "correction" to what I saw in this video is the idea of a "deeply inverted mind". I would refine the concept to "introspective" which puts one in an altered state that is mainly subjective. Looking into the subconscious would be a technical western description.

His larger message, and mine, is that we can all do the work he did and be like him -- we ARE like him and he wants us to come out and play/commune as brothers/sisters with him

Just remember that to "sin" is only to err or miss the mark, many have given the word a negative connotation.

"I" am seeming to catch "myself" in the act and relieving the "self" of control, not by fighting, but by disconnecting. The "self" still feels a certain way, but is no longer running the show, "I" am observing.

We don't want to "Control Ourselves" but observe and disconnect the self from control through being/watching/observing and not reacting but acting through non-reaction to the self's emotion/feeling at any given moment, let the self be without letting it act anything out in the manifested.

Gnosis5 · 01-02-2010, 06:15 PM

"Investigate what the mind is and it will disappear"

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Originally Posted by kriya

Hi Chris,

I've just found these, and thought of you!

Happy New Year!!

Enjoy!!!

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...SnbG2Cw&hl=en#

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...maharaj&hl=en#

Love,

Kriya

greybeard · 01-02-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gnosis5

"Investigate what the mind is and it will disappear"

Great to see so many good contributions to the thread.
Keep it coming.
Chris

14 Chakras · 01-02-2010, 09:59 PM

The ego tricks us into believing we are separate from the Source.

Is there anything but God? I suggest there is not. There is only One consciousness. We are all beams of Light emanating, at the highest level of creation, from One Sun of Beingness.

However, we are not destined to be disappeared, rather to grow in Oneness with All that IS. This is our destiny.

The ego wants us to believe that the wave is separate from the ocean, that they are not the same thing. We are the wave, we are the Ocean, we are the Sun behind the Sun. This is our true nature, this is who you and I AM.

We are here to BE the source within it's creation, the unique perspective, momentum's and God Flame we were each lovingly and uniquely created to Be.

What is permanent in creation? No thing. Nothing is permanent except for consciousness, Being ~ our "I" is permanent. Life eternal rest within our own "I", inside of us. I Being in the eternal Now, co-creating and growing in Oneness with All that IS.

Our "I" is not meant to disappear, simply to Be MORE.

We don't go from our current level of consciousness to that of the creator, we simply make a jump forward, a leap forward, in the schoolroom of infinity. The next step is to see our interconnectedness, our worthiness, the reality of unconditional Love and through surrender to Divine reality, take up our rightful place at the right hand of the Father as Co-creators of all that IS.

Our own I makes up part of all that I's, all the I's make up and co-create I'S. IS is the collective co-creation of every I. My I, your I, all the I's in all of creation and all of God, are All that IS.

Free Will is a gift and also a responsibility, we are meant to multiply our talents, and watch as our talents are multiplied by the Divine within. We are the source, the source is us. There is no separation in reality.

I AM the Ocean of All that IS expressing itSelf here Now in this world of form.

I am the space in the atoms, the Purity. I AM the formlessness that is the Allness. Infinite potentiality in the eternal Now.

Lift up a stone and I AM There.

We are One. Let the Life of Oneness that IS Divine Reality manifest through our four lower bodies and here into this world of form to bless all of Life and help all of creation awaken to it's own inner divinity.

We are not only spiritual Beings having a material experience. We are Divine Beings having a material experience. We are the One we have been waiting for. We are the Christ. We are the Buddha. We are the wave. We are the Ocean. We are the River of Life and we are here to BE More.

RedeZra · 01-03-2010, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Our "I" is not meant to disappear, simply to Be MORE.

the I in me is the same as the I in you

Namaste

the Immanence of I

I Am not going nor growing

I Am everything everywhere ever

I Am the Wishful Tree

Always Giving Always

I will make you ask if I want you to receive

you do not know who I Am

for you are not Me

but I Am you

greybeard · 01-03-2010, 05:58 AM

The wave is just the wave until it subsides into the ocean

The enlightened being having transcended ego can say
"I am the totality all of it"
That is an experiential state which is not really describable. The moment words are use it is talked about it is not it. Subjective becomes objective --Duality -- me and my state.
The enlightened sage is clear that an ego less state is a reality which can not be spoken of.

A bird does not have a description of itself it goes goes about the business of being a bird -- naturally. It just is.
The caterpillar is not yet the butterfly but has the potential to fulfill its destiny, the question is when.

Think all this me can do is follow the teachings of those who have fulfilled their destiny on this earth and are now free of it. In this world but not of it.
Christ said "I have overcome the world"
Another word for it is Liberation.
we are pure unchanging. time less, immortal
The state appears to change but that is just perception. The chrysalis is shed the butterfly emerges, free of old limitations.
Its a mixed metephor but best I can do. Words cant be accurate.

chris

ubiquitousquintessence · 01-03-2010, 06:05 AM

Hi greybeard/Chris!
Since I don't yet have the option to send Private Messages, I'll say this here.
Thank You! for the book recommendation. I originally came across "Power vs. Force" about 2 years ago, and nearly bought it then, but decided against it for some reason.
It turns out that NOW is the perfect time for me to read it, as it discusses some recent realizations I've had. So, like I said, Thanks a bunch!

And now, a little something from the book... "Power vs. Force" by David R. Hawkins
"Few people know what it is to live without fear - but beyond fear lies joy, as the meaning and purpose of existence becomes transparent.
Once this realization occurs, life becomes effortless and the sources of suffering dissolve; suffering is only the price we pay for our attachments."

Gnosis5 · 01-03-2010, 06:46 AM

These people are my kind of people. Having fun just like kids. Remember the first time you saw the Peter Pan movie? Trans Med is cool and I would love to take a course with them.

I don't see any ego here, just some people having a great time. They are having too much fun to have any ego issues.

I suspect that the TM claim that the more people who learn to fly the better the world will be.

Stage 3, 10,000 people flying in the air together! Who would not like that?!?

The Maharishi effect is all about critical mass. Many of us are working towards critical mass. Each one of us who does our spiritual practices and makes our own internal progress cannot help but change others around them too.

greybeard · 01-03-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gnosis5

These people are my kind of people. Having fun just like kids. Remember the first time you saw the Peter Pan movie? Trans Med is cool and I would love to take a course with them.

I don't see any ego here, just some people having a great time. They are having too much fun to have any ego issues.

I suspect that the TM claim that the more people who learn to fly the better the world will be.

Stage 3, 10,000 people flying in the air together! Who would not like that?!?

The Maharishi effect is all about critical mass. Many of us are working towards critical mass. Each one of us who does our spiritual practices and makes our own internal progress cannot help but change others around them too.

Critical mass would seem to be somthing most would agree on.
Each one of us who does our spiritual practices and makes our own internal progress cannot help but change others around them too.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

The tide is coming in folks.

As far as co-creation--- yes while we are dreaming and in the dream we can co-create to our hearts content.

I have yet to read in the words attributed to any of the enlightened sages anything about co-creation--- not denying the possibility.

We live in a world of illusion created by the perceptual ego.

Ramana Maharshi said " The world you are trying to save dosent even exist"
I have to take his word for it.

When "Poer versus Force" is read with its map of consciousness the world and the reason for being in this wold makes sense.
That book opens the door to more complex subjects covered in the " i " and others by David Hawkins.
There are level of enlightenment, fully explained.

Regards Chris

mudra · 01-03-2010, 03:34 PM

RedeZra ,

Your poems are music for the soul my friend.
They are coming from heaven as sparks of Light
that you scatter on Earth.

Thank You

Love Always
mudra

mudra · 01-03-2010, 04:36 PM

The term 'ego' has various meanings in your language. Nevertheless, the dysfunctional problems associated with ego might best be explained as the result of surrogate identities displacing the soul's true self."

From " Love without end " by Glenda Green

Love Always
mudra

14 Chakras · 01-03-2010, 07:30 PM

I Am you and you are me, and together we are More.

But you are you, and I Am me, and we are each uniquely I AM.

Why is there suffering? Why is there evil? Why is there darkness?

If we are not co-creators, then we are victims. We did not create our situation, God did. God put us here. God is mean. Right? Or is that the case?

I suggest the infinite creates a platform for evolution of it's Sons and Daughters. The infinite must create from within itSelf, since it is all there IS.

Sons and Daughters of the infinite are truly individualization's of the infinite. However, they start out their evolution with very limited sense of identities.

The process of evolution is that Co-Creators / Sons and Daughters of God / Ye are Gods as Jesus said, grow in Self awareness, grow in Oneness with All that IS until they finally clearly see that they are the creator within it's creation and continue to grow in consciousness from there forevermore into eternity, into the eternal Now.

Creation is not meant to experience high degrees of suffering, it is not necessary and the infinite did not create this way.

What the infinite did create is a platform for the evolution of souls ~ a platform, with cosmic law that will help guide evolution upwards.

What God did not create is an exact script of how creation will evolve upwards. That is up to the free will of the co-creators within creation itSelf.

Did God decide there would be fallen worlds and suffering? Did God put us here to suffer?

I suggest that the fall in the garden of Eden is an allegory for our own individual temptation to try out duality, to try out the ego consciousness and give it a go. These choices were made by our own free will. We did not have to come experience this, but we made decisions that led us here.

We've been unconsciously creating our own suffering ever since! Where does evil come from? Our own co-creations coming from our false, separate, sense of identities. We are creating unconsciously and the world is reflecting back to us our own illusions.

Here we are, finally now ready to come back into the evolution of More, to move back into the River of Life, beyond duality, where our eye is single rather than double.

To move beyond the human ego does not mean to disapear into a blob of nothingness. I suggest it is fair to say Eckhart Tolle has moved beyond the human ego to a very large degree and is coming from presence, his own I AM presence. Is Eckhart Tolle the fullness of the creator? Is he all knowing and all creating?

No of course not. When we move beyond the human ego, and remember who we really are as One with the infinite and All Life, we don't disappear, we just become More. This is the purpose of creation.

However, we are what we affirm we are. Affirm we are no good seperate sinners who add nothing to the whole, and guess what? That's the role we will continue to play. Affirm we are One with the infinite, we are the Christ, we are the Buddha we are the One, and this reality (because this IS reality), manifest through our Beingness until we can clearly see what was ALWAYS Truth ~ I and my Father Mother are One.

One with the non-changing static God? No. I suggest that static, non-changing God is not reality. I suggest God is a Living God, and Living Spirit. Can the creator learn, can the creator Be More? I suggest change is cosmic law, life without change is not life at all, rather a static picture, death.

I suggest it is only our ego that thrives on trying to create a static picture, trying to keep things standing still. However, reality is growth, change, More, a River of Life More abundant, co-creation in eternal Now. Now. ForeverMore.

While the physical world will continue to evolve into Light, every "I" on this world is very real. We are here to help them remember who they are, remember their own inner divinity, and affirm that divinity, Be that Divine Flame here in embodiment. That is how heaven comes to Earth.

Not a static picture of a heaven that never changes, rather a platform for freedom of co-creative expression for each one of us, a platform that always Bes More, More abundant, More creative, More beautiful.

There are no limitations in reality.

If we choose to Be we will BE. IF we choose to maintain the illusion that we are separate from the whole, that we are victims who require an outer savior, that we are the ego, we will be able to maintain this illusion of suffering if we so desire...

greybeard · 01-03-2010, 09:08 PM

I agree with what you have written in its essence !4 Chakras.
We weren't meant to suffer and through the ego we created and chose suffering in our ignorance. For that reason I don't like to link God to this as co-creator. We are the perpetrator and the victim. God is not to blame.

My other problem with co-creator is that, who is to have that ability and who not?
In duality we all have different ideas on what would be best for other people. There would be unending conflict as we would never come into agreement as to what should be created. Its just to complicated to work in my opinion. I honestly wouldn't want the responsibility.

My own experience is that when I surrendered my life to God I was lifted from the hell of alcoholism and whilst I live modestly my needs are all met effortlessly, of myself I do nothing, I am free of many bondages and I like it that way.

Because the context I come from is a path of enlightenment as set out by the sages I like to keep my self on that track, I am not concerned overmuch about what happens after enlightenment, though there are levels of enlightenment.
As you said in an earlier post there are tests even for the enlightened, the process is eternal but for me one step at a time.

I dont like to keep quoting Dr David Hawkins but on his map of consciousness there is an enormous gap between the spiritual energy of an angel and an enlightened being, therefore a sage could be considered as being in kindergarten.

The following link is for information about Dr Hawkins

http://www.veritaspub.com/index.php?page=about

With love and regard for your knowledge.
Chris

Indigocat · 01-10-2010, 12:40 AM

I am no longer having anything to do with this Forum , as i have just seen how things written on here have been twisted, peoples comments deleted for no reason . And me stopped from replying to people who want to be my friends . What a strange forum for so called people with open minds . Talk about egos well there are a few here ! , called moderators .

Indigocat · 01-10-2010, 01:26 AM

As i am unable to reply to anyone in a personal message , id just like to say Namaste to ***Greybeard*** , thanks Chris for befriending me , dont think we will get the chance to speak again , wishing you peace and blessings , also to ***Mudra*** the same thanks you , Blessings ,love and light to all of you looking to make this world a better place ,and not just talking about it .
Its not part of my path to get into a destructive forum like this .
I learn by experience and not by reading mostly , people touch me and there words have depth when it comes from the heart , not from a need to prove they are right .
Stay open and free all .
If we are meant to meet again we will .
Enjoy the road ahead .

Karen · 01-10-2010, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Indigocat

I am no longer having anything to do with this Forum , as i have just seen how things written on here have been twisted, peoples comments deleted for no reason . And me stopped from replying to people who want to be my friends . What a strange forum for so called people with open minds . Talk about egos well there are a few here ! , called moderators .

What have moderators done recently? There was a concerted attack on the forum when it went free for everyone and it may not be over yet.

PMs are denied to new members because a porn spammer used the PM function to send out full-on sex act porn videos to 43 members before we could stop them. I have given you the ability to send PMs to your new friends.

There may be more things you haven't heard about - why somethings are changed recently. We are constantly reviewing our actions - point out where you think we errored in big ego ways.

EDIT: Most edits are done by the people themselves. We really do try not to interfere, except in the most extreme cases.

greybeard · 01-15-2010, 06:18 PM

what really matters
My personal feeling is to have a balanced view of what comes out of the whistle blowing.
World history shows that taking up an aggressive stance doesn't work but its not a question of doing nothing.

If we are part of collective consciousness then the raising of personal spiritual vibration raises the level of all. A rising tide lifts all boats.

Safe places set up for the right reasons with no agenda I believe will be a powerful force for world peace.
Again if we look at history Gandhi was instrumental. through non violence, in bringing about the demise of colonialism against all odds. We appear to face a similar situation but is that really so? We change our world changes.

The human race has been at war for most of its history much of that cause by religious intolerance.

One possible translation of the word Devil is ego. Edge God Out.
The human ego is separatist. Basically Im right therefore you must be wrong. Its that simple. Wars are fought to preserve a position, the moment a position is taken up and firmly adhered to there must be an enemy. War is declared small time or big time its the same mechanism.

Spiritual Masters all say the same thing, no self no problem, in other words not to identify with the story in your head-- dont buy into it. Your higher self will look after you once you commit to loving the Creator and all creation unconditionally. That does not mean condoning peoples action just loving them anyway.
Im not of any religion, the truth can be found in the teachings of any spiritual giant be it Jesus or any other.
Jesus said. Lord forgive them for they know not what they do. In other words they are spiritually asleep.

Its not about what anyone else is up to its about what we individually hold in our hearts.

With love Chris

folotheflo · 01-15-2010, 06:37 PM

every thing is just as it should be,

it can be no other way.

you are alive, so do what ever you think is necessary, it is the only way to learn and change.

there is no truth, every thing is permited

Gnosis5 · 01-15-2010, 08:15 PM

I can really start to sense it when my ego is flaring up and it is becoming more and more uncomfortable and bothersome, even in the slightest. Because there is now more contrast within me and being without ego compulsions is so much more rewarding that my tolerance for remaining in ego is reduced.

I can be a great big being without using my ego to delude myself about it.

Gnosis5 · 01-15-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by folotheflo

every thing is just as it should be,

it can be no other way.

you are alive, so do what ever you think is necessary, it is the only way to learn and change.

there is no truth, every thing is permited

Yes, it is an ongoing process for the me that resides here to reach that state of awareness stably. It has to be more than an intellectual understanding.

14 Chakras · 01-19-2010, 10:29 PM

Should the good people choose to do nothing, then the forces of anti-life, the dark forces will inevitably triumph.

Truth is found in Oneness. Separation is illusion and leads to suffering, unconsciousness and the state of affairs we currently find ourselves in.

Free will is the ultimate law. However, a critical mass of people on inner levels are now choosing to come up higher into the reality of who they are in Oneness with their source, beyond the human ego, and to Be below all they are above, the Living Christ.

This is what's coming, the Christ consciousness, the Buddha consciousness, individually and collectively.

What stands in the way? The illusions of separation which have taken on a life of their own as the pseudo personality of the human ego which is completely based on comparisons in the past and future rather than on Being in the Now.

The opportunity knocks like never before to make immense progress into True Freedom Now for those who choose to come up higher, to lead the Way and connect to their own Divine direction within.

01-02-2010, 09:59 PM	#8
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? The ego tricks us into believing we are separate from the Source. Is there anything but God? I suggest there is not. There is only One consciousness. We are all beams of Light emanating, at the highest level of creation, from One Sun of Beingness. However, we are not destined to be disappeared, rather to grow in Oneness with All that IS. This is our destiny. The ego wants us to believe that the wave is separate from the ocean, that they are not the same thing. We are the wave, we are the Ocean, we are the Sun behind the Sun. This is our true nature, this is who you and I AM. We are here to BE the source within it's creation, the unique perspective, momentum's and God Flame we were each lovingly and uniquely created to Be. What is permanent in creation? No thing. Nothing is permanent except for consciousness, Being ~ our "I" is permanent. Life eternal rest within our own "I", inside of us. I Being in the eternal Now, co-creating and growing in Oneness with All that IS. Our "I" is not meant to disappear, simply to Be MORE. We don't go from our current level of consciousness to that of the creator, we simply make a jump forward, a leap forward, in the schoolroom of infinity. The next step is to see our interconnectedness, our worthiness, the reality of unconditional Love and through surrender to Divine reality, take up our rightful place at the right hand of the Father as Co-creators of all that IS. Our own I makes up part of all that I's, all the I's make up and co-create I'S. IS is the collective co-creation of every I. My I, your I, all the I's in all of creation and all of God, are All that IS. Free Will is a gift and also a responsibility, we are meant to multiply our talents, and watch as our talents are multiplied by the Divine within. We are the source, the source is us. There is no separation in reality. I AM the Ocean of All that IS expressing itSelf here Now in this world of form. I am the space in the atoms, the Purity. I AM the formlessness that is the Allness. Infinite potentiality in the eternal Now. Lift up a stone and I AM There. We are One. Let the Life of Oneness that IS Divine Reality manifest through our four lower bodies and here into this world of form to bless all of Life and help all of creation awaken to it's own inner divinity. We are not only spiritual Beings having a material experience. We are Divine Beings having a material experience. We are the One we have been waiting for. We are the Christ. We are the Buddha. We are the wave. We are the Ocean. We are the River of Life and we are here to BE More. Last edited by 14 Chakras; 01-03-2010 at 02:06 AM.

01-03-2010, 05:58 AM	#10
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? The wave is just the wave until it subsides into the ocean The enlightened being having transcended ego can say "I am the totality all of it" That is an experiential state which is not really describable. The moment words are use it is talked about it is not it. Subjective becomes objective --Duality -- me and my state. The enlightened sage is clear that an ego less state is a reality which can not be spoken of. A bird does not have a description of itself it goes goes about the business of being a bird -- naturally. It just is. The caterpillar is not yet the butterfly but has the potential to fulfill its destiny, the question is when. Think all this me can do is follow the teachings of those who have fulfilled their destiny on this earth and are now free of it. In this world but not of it. Christ said "I have overcome the world" Another word for it is Liberation. we are pure unchanging. time less, immortal The state appears to change but that is just perception. The chrysalis is shed the butterfly emerges, free of old limitations. Its a mixed metephor but best I can do. Words cant be accurate. chris Last edited by greybeard; 01-03-2010 at 06:06 AM.

01-03-2010, 06:05 AM	#11
ubiquitousquintessence Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Here Posts: 36	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? Hi greybeard/Chris! Since I don't yet have the option to send Private Messages, I'll say this here. Thank You! for the book recommendation. I originally came across "Power vs. Force" about 2 years ago, and nearly bought it then, but decided against it for some reason. It turns out that NOW is the perfect time for me to read it, as it discusses some recent realizations I've had. So, like I said, Thanks a bunch! And now, a little something from the book... "Power vs. Force" by David R. Hawkins "Few people know what it is to live without fear - but beyond fear lies joy, as the meaning and purpose of existence becomes transparent. Once this realization occurs, life becomes effortless and the sources of suffering dissolve; suffering is only the price we pay for our attachments."

01-03-2010, 06:46 AM	#12
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? These people are my kind of people. Having fun just like kids. Remember the first time you saw the Peter Pan movie? Trans Med is cool and I would love to take a course with them. I don't see any ego here, just some people having a great time. They are having too much fun to have any ego issues. I suspect that the TM claim that the more people who learn to fly the better the world will be. Stage 3, 10,000 people flying in the air together! Who would not like that?!? The Maharishi effect is all about critical mass. Many of us are working towards critical mass. Each one of us who does our spiritual practices and makes our own internal progress cannot help but change others around them too.

01-03-2010, 03:34 PM	#14
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? RedeZra , Your poems are music for the soul my friend. They are coming from heaven as sparks of Light that you scatter on Earth. Thank You Love Always mudra Last edited by mudra; 01-03-2010 at 04:34 PM.

01-03-2010, 04:36 PM	#15
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? The term 'ego' has various meanings in your language. Nevertheless, the dysfunctional problems associated with ego might best be explained as the result of surrogate identities displacing the soul's true self." From " Love without end " by Glenda Green Love Always mudra

01-03-2010, 07:30 PM	#16
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? I Am you and you are me, and together we are More. But you are you, and I Am me, and we are each uniquely I AM. Why is there suffering? Why is there evil? Why is there darkness? If we are not co-creators, then we are victims. We did not create our situation, God did. God put us here. God is mean. Right? Or is that the case? I suggest the infinite creates a platform for evolution of it's Sons and Daughters. The infinite must create from within itSelf, since it is all there IS. Sons and Daughters of the infinite are truly individualization's of the infinite. However, they start out their evolution with very limited sense of identities. The process of evolution is that Co-Creators / Sons and Daughters of God / Ye are Gods as Jesus said, grow in Self awareness, grow in Oneness with All that IS until they finally clearly see that they are the creator within it's creation and continue to grow in consciousness from there forevermore into eternity, into the eternal Now. Creation is not meant to experience high degrees of suffering, it is not necessary and the infinite did not create this way. What the infinite did create is a platform for the evolution of souls ~ a platform, with cosmic law that will help guide evolution upwards. What God did not create is an exact script of how creation will evolve upwards. That is up to the free will of the co-creators within creation itSelf. Did God decide there would be fallen worlds and suffering? Did God put us here to suffer? I suggest that the fall in the garden of Eden is an allegory for our own individual temptation to try out duality, to try out the ego consciousness and give it a go. These choices were made by our own free will. We did not have to come experience this, but we made decisions that led us here. We've been unconsciously creating our own suffering ever since! Where does evil come from? Our own co-creations coming from our false, separate, sense of identities. We are creating unconsciously and the world is reflecting back to us our own illusions. Here we are, finally now ready to come back into the evolution of More, to move back into the River of Life, beyond duality, where our eye is single rather than double. To move beyond the human ego does not mean to disapear into a blob of nothingness. I suggest it is fair to say Eckhart Tolle has moved beyond the human ego to a very large degree and is coming from presence, his own I AM presence. Is Eckhart Tolle the fullness of the creator? Is he all knowing and all creating? No of course not. When we move beyond the human ego, and remember who we really are as One with the infinite and All Life, we don't disappear, we just become More. This is the purpose of creation. However, we are what we affirm we are. Affirm we are no good seperate sinners who add nothing to the whole, and guess what? That's the role we will continue to play. Affirm we are One with the infinite, we are the Christ, we are the Buddha we are the One, and this reality (because this IS reality), manifest through our Beingness until we can clearly see what was ALWAYS Truth ~ I and my Father Mother are One. One with the non-changing static God? No. I suggest that static, non-changing God is not reality. I suggest God is a Living God, and Living Spirit. Can the creator learn, can the creator Be More? I suggest change is cosmic law, life without change is not life at all, rather a static picture, death. I suggest it is only our ego that thrives on trying to create a static picture, trying to keep things standing still. However, reality is growth, change, More, a River of Life More abundant, co-creation in eternal Now. Now. ForeverMore. While the physical world will continue to evolve into Light, every "I" on this world is very real. We are here to help them remember who they are, remember their own inner divinity, and affirm that divinity, Be that Divine Flame here in embodiment. That is how heaven comes to Earth. Not a static picture of a heaven that never changes, rather a platform for freedom of co-creative expression for each one of us, a platform that always Bes More, More abundant, More creative, More beautiful. There are no limitations in reality. If we choose to Be we will BE. IF we choose to maintain the illusion that we are separate from the whole, that we are victims who require an outer savior, that we are the ego, we will be able to maintain this illusion of suffering if we so desire... Last edited by 14 Chakras; 01-03-2010 at 08:27 PM.

01-03-2010, 09:08 PM	#17
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? I agree with what you have written in its essence !4 Chakras. We weren't meant to suffer and through the ego we created and chose suffering in our ignorance. For that reason I don't like to link God to this as co-creator. We are the perpetrator and the victim. God is not to blame. My other problem with co-creator is that, who is to have that ability and who not? In duality we all have different ideas on what would be best for other people. There would be unending conflict as we would never come into agreement as to what should be created. Its just to complicated to work in my opinion. I honestly wouldn't want the responsibility. My own experience is that when I surrendered my life to God I was lifted from the hell of alcoholism and whilst I live modestly my needs are all met effortlessly, of myself I do nothing, I am free of many bondages and I like it that way. Because the context I come from is a path of enlightenment as set out by the sages I like to keep my self on that track, I am not concerned overmuch about what happens after enlightenment, though there are levels of enlightenment. As you said in an earlier post there are tests even for the enlightened, the process is eternal but for me one step at a time. I dont like to keep quoting Dr David Hawkins but on his map of consciousness there is an enormous gap between the spiritual energy of an angel and an enlightened being, therefore a sage could be considered as being in kindergarten. The following link is for information about Dr Hawkins http://www.veritaspub.com/index.php?page=about With love and regard for your knowledge. Chris Last edited by greybeard; 01-03-2010 at 10:07 PM.

01-10-2010, 12:40 AM	#18
Indigocat Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Uk Posts: 4	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? I am no longer having anything to do with this Forum , as i have just seen how things written on here have been twisted, peoples comments deleted for no reason . And me stopped from replying to people who want to be my friends . What a strange forum for so called people with open minds . Talk about egos well there are a few here ! , called moderators .

01-10-2010, 01:26 AM	#19
Indigocat Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Uk Posts: 4	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? As i am unable to reply to anyone in a personal message , id just like to say Namaste to *Greybeard* , thanks Chris for befriending me , dont think we will get the chance to speak again , wishing you peace and blessings , also to *Mudra* the same thanks you , Blessings ,love and light to all of you looking to make this world a better place ,and not just talking about it . Its not part of my path to get into a destructive forum like this . I learn by experience and not by reading mostly , people touch me and there words have depth when it comes from the heart , not from a need to prove they are right . Stay open and free all . If we are meant to meet again we will . Enjoy the road ahead .

01-15-2010, 06:18 PM	#21
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? what really matters My personal feeling is to have a balanced view of what comes out of the whistle blowing. World history shows that taking up an aggressive stance doesn't work but its not a question of doing nothing. If we are part of collective consciousness then the raising of personal spiritual vibration raises the level of all. A rising tide lifts all boats. Safe places set up for the right reasons with no agenda I believe will be a powerful force for world peace. Again if we look at history Gandhi was instrumental. through non violence, in bringing about the demise of colonialism against all odds. We appear to face a similar situation but is that really so? We change our world changes. The human race has been at war for most of its history much of that cause by religious intolerance. One possible translation of the word Devil is ego. Edge God Out. The human ego is separatist. Basically Im right therefore you must be wrong. Its that simple. Wars are fought to preserve a position, the moment a position is taken up and firmly adhered to there must be an enemy. War is declared small time or big time its the same mechanism. Spiritual Masters all say the same thing, no self no problem, in other words not to identify with the story in your head-- dont buy into it. Your higher self will look after you once you commit to loving the Creator and all creation unconditionally. That does not mean condoning peoples action just loving them anyway. Im not of any religion, the truth can be found in the teachings of any spiritual giant be it Jesus or any other. Jesus said. Lord forgive them for they know not what they do. In other words they are spiritually asleep. Its not about what anyone else is up to its about what we individually hold in our hearts. With love Chris

01-15-2010, 06:37 PM	#22
folotheflo Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 15	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? every thing is just as it should be, it can be no other way. you are alive, so do what ever you think is necessary, it is the only way to learn and change. there is no truth, every thing is permited

01-15-2010, 08:15 PM	#23
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? I can really start to sense it when my ego is flaring up and it is becoming more and more uncomfortable and bothersome, even in the slightest. Because there is now more contrast within me and being without ego compulsions is so much more rewarding that my tolerance for remaining in ego is reduced. I can be a great big being without using my ego to delude myself about it.

01-19-2010, 10:29 PM	#25
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? Should the good people choose to do nothing, then the forces of anti-life, the dark forces will inevitably triumph. Truth is found in Oneness. Separation is illusion and leads to suffering, unconsciousness and the state of affairs we currently find ourselves in. Free will is the ultimate law. However, a critical mass of people on inner levels are now choosing to come up higher into the reality of who they are in Oneness with their source, beyond the human ego, and to Be below all they are above, the Living Christ. This is what's coming, the Christ consciousness, the Buddha consciousness, individually and collectively. What stands in the way? The illusions of separation which have taken on a life of their own as the pseudo personality of the human ego which is completely based on comparisons in the past and future rather than on Being in the Now. The opportunity knocks like never before to make immense progress into True Freedom Now for those who choose to come up higher, to lead the Way and connect to their own Divine direction within.

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