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[Allie]

For me there is no 'following' to be done

It matters not whether the 'leader' is Ra, Yeshua, Buddha - or enlightenment by any other name.

Surely what matters is not the leader per se, but how their words are recieved and translated into purposeful, decent, action?

What exactly did Yeshua want - that we 'believe' in him, or that we listen to what he said and effect a change in the world?

[ctophil]

Originally Posted by Allie

For me there is no 'following' to be done

It matters not whether the 'leader' is Ra, Yeshua, Buddha - or enlightenment by any other name.

Surely what matters is not the leader per se, but how their words are recieved and translated into purposeful, decent, action?

What exactly did Yeshua want - that we 'believe' in him, or that we listen to what he said and effect a change in the world?

Yahushua is our role model. Yahweh gave us His son almost two thousand years ago to help us better understand His will, His love, and His plan for the ultimate salvation of Earth. Folks, I tell you now, but you may not believe me. Yahushua is coming back again very soon. I estimate within 3 - 4 years from now. For the Great Tribulation has just started...times of GREAT TROUBLE AND SUFFERING in this physical world have begun. And you WILL see it here on Earth. The username for "TimeisShort" is actually telling you something.

When you believe who Yahushua happens to be, you, in effect, have already known who the Father is....your Creator, your Salvation, and your Life. For the Father and Yahushua are One in the spiritual sense. So when I talk about Yahweh, I also talk about Yahushua and vice versa. What is the most important thing in life? Your life, right? If you consider anything else that is more important than life itself, then there is something seriously wrong. But anyways, at this point in time, Yahushua is life. He has permission from the Heavenly Father to grant you eternal life. And it is a gift from Yahweh, not a privilege or a benefits package. People throughout the 6000 years of history have always seeked immortality or eternal life. Either it be a Buddhist monk (they seek the "total enlightenment or Nirvana" which they think leads to immortality) or a 97th degree Egyptian Mason performing his rituals, we all, by nature, want to live on. Don't we? I tell you, today, don't waste your time on anything but the Son of Yahweh. He holds your future and the future of this world. For the Kingdom of Yahweh will come here to Earth shortly. Be prepared to face your Maker.

-Phillip

[arcora]

Originally Posted by Allie

What exactly did Yeshua want - that we 'believe' in him, or that we listen to what he said and effect a change in the world?

Jesus wanted to prove to you that ascension is possible and give you detailed instructions on how to go about it yourself.

There is an expression:

"Those who can, do. Those who can't teach."

But in this case it should be:

"Those who can, do and teach. Those who can't, lie."

Whether you want to believe it or not, there are powerful forces who do not want you to ascend. Their weapon is the same one that the serpent used in Eden - the sweet tasting lie.

[Jack]

Originally Posted by Allie

For me there is no 'following' to be done

It matters not whether the 'leader' is Ra, Yeshua, Buddha - or enlightenment by any other name.

Surely what matters is not the leader per se, but how their words are recieved and translated into purposeful, decent, action?

What exactly did Yeshua want - that we 'believe' in him, or that we listen to what he said and effect a change in the world?

Very well put.

Truth is truth regardless of its source.

Enlightenment will not be gained from the following of religion or entities, enlightenment will be found through the aknowledgment of truth from whatever source it comes.

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by TimeIsShort

Very well put.

Truth is truth regardless of its source.

Enlightenment will not be gained from the following of religion or entities, enlightenment will be found through the aknowledgment of truth from whatever source it comes.

I agree to this.

salute.

[arcora]

There is a spiritual war happening right now. Powerful forces are fighting for your soul.

It is sad when one of the self-described ruling elite prison guards posts on another forum telling people what they want to hear (pulled primarily from this Ra material) - And get's so much positive attention.

Then a messenger of God's word comes along bringing the truth which will set you free - and he is ridiculed.

Some people would prefer a sweet lie to a bitter truth.

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by arcora

Then a messenger of God's word comes along bringing the truth which will set you free - and he is ridiculed.

This is my response to this so called messenger of God's word.

Originally Posted by ctophil

Yahweh is not a respecter of persons so neither am I.

My response to that is one of supreme negativity and I'm going to leave it at just that.

[Dadrious]

Originally Posted by arcora

There is a spiritual war happening right now. Powerful forces are fighting for your soul.

It is sad when one of the self-described ruling elite prison guards posts on another forum telling people what they want to hear (pulled primarily from this Ra material) - And get's so much positive attention.

Then a messenger of God's word comes along bringing the truth which will set you free - and he is ridiculed.

Some people would prefer a sweet lie to a bitter truth.

"Messengers of god" pulling the victim card? Nothing new under the sun, eh? Someone who consistently attacks others ends up with the heat on them, and suddenly they're the poor victim. So many corpses lay on the path of these self described messengers of god...

So tiresome...their self-righteous noise.

[Dadrious]

Originally Posted by ctophil

I agree. Some of you here say that I should have an open mind and that I should stop "preaching." But some of you end up doing the same thing. You don't open your mind and won't stop preaching about your beliefs. This is just the truth, not meant to attack anybody. It's just that much of mankind can't handle the truth. "Those who are blind can not lead the blind. Both will fall into a ditch." This is a paraphrase of Yahushua's words (those who don't know who he is by now, it's the Son of Yahweh). Do you realize that Yahushua is the ONLY one in the entire history of mankind who died and come back to life 3 days and 3 nights later? Yep, no one could do that. Yahweh raised him up. Buddha, Mohammad, Joseph Smith, Adam Weisphaut, Emperor Constantine, Nimrod (ok, he is still worshiped today by just about all nations via thousands of different names, but he is still dead), and many others are all still dead.

What I'm trying to say is why are you following this Egyptian "sun-god Ra?" Do you not realize that all religions (which are all false, by the way) all evolve from sun-worship one way or another? The "teachings of Ra" is no different. Would you rather follow the sun than the Son of Yahweh? Everybody, Yahweh Elohim raised Yahushua for a reason. To show that Yahushua is the way, the truth, and the life! No man can come to the Father but by him!! These two statements are very powerful, very complex, and very simple at the same time. I hope that what I have posted so far in various threads have shed some light to the Kingdom of Heaven.

-Phillip

The pot calling the kettle black.

Your "faith" is sun worship as well, this has been proven time and time again. I can name atleast a dozen "pagan" deities that died and came back 3 days and 3 nights later. Mithra, Horus, Dionysus, Krishna, the list goes on. You follow a book of astrotheology and rehashed pagan fairy tales that has been used to murder countless MILLIONS and oppress the survivors for centuries. The only reason you go around this forum preaching is because you're insecure and probably feel threatened that not everyone will so willing to imprison themselves to the worship of that "god", "yahweh", which is simply an expressive term for a "burst of energy".

Even with the centuries of Judeo-Christian oppression, they still couldn't succeed in holding us down forever. Now their prison crumbles around them, and now people are digging up the real truths. Oh so unfortunate for those ruling elitists...

[ctophil]

Originally Posted by Dadrious

The pot calling the kettle black.

Your "faith" is sun worship as well, this has been proven time and time again. I can name atleast a dozen "pagan" deities that died and came back 3 days and 3 nights later. Mithra, Horus, Dionysus, Krishna, the list goes on. You follow a book of astrotheology and rehashed pagan fairy tales that has been used to murder countless MILLIONS and oppress the survivors for centuries. The only reason you go around this forum preaching is because you're insecure and probably feel threatened that not everyone will so willing to imprison themselves to the worship of that "god", "yahweh", which is simply an expressive term for a "burst of energy".

Even with the centuries of Judeo-Christian oppression, they still couldn't succeed in holding us down forever. Now their prison crumbles around them, and now people are digging up the real truths. Oh so unfortunate for those ruling elitists...

Sun-worshipers have adopted Yahushua's testimony two thousand years ago not the other around. Satan "loves" to mimic what Yahweh has done as a mockery. Remember that Yahweh's plan started way back in history at the time of Adam and Eve. This is not a recent thing. Satan (or formerly known as Lucifer) knows a lot of the plan (I say a lot, but not all). Also remember that I am not a Christian and not a part of ANY religion that were created by man with the inspiration of Satan. You are right, numerous pagan gods have the similar "attributes." Re-read the first part of this paragraph again.

Christianity and all religions will crumble, yes, and the Kingdom of Yahweh will remain forever and forever.

Originally Posted by Dadrious

The only reason you go around this forum preaching is because you're insecure and probably feel threatened

I perform the works and the will of my Father. I know who am I and what I belong to....the Olive Tree of Israel or "Overcomer" of this world. As I said, I am not here to convince you of anything. It's still up to my Father to choose you (and lead you to Yahushua) if your future holds great promise of love and obedience to Him. It's not the other way around.

-Phillip

[Dadrious]

Originally Posted by ctophil

Sun-worshipers have adopted Yahushua's testimony two thousand years ago not the other around. Satan "loves" to mimic what Yahweh has done as a mockery. Remember that Yahweh's plan started way back in history at the time of Adam and Eve. This is not a recent thing. Satan (or formerly known as Lucifer) knows a lot of the plan (I say a lot, but not all). Also remember that I am not a Christian and not a part of ANY religion that were created by man with the inspiration of Satan. You are right, numerous pagan gods have the similar "attributes." Re-read the first part of this paragraph again.

Christianity and all religions will crumble, yes, and the Kingdom of Yahweh will remain forever and forever.

-Phillip

Lack of any historical and factual understanding, talent for twisting points and words, calling any truthful factual contradictions to your "faith" the work of "Satan", constant arrogant preaching...yes you are a follower of Yahweh alright. I wouldn't doubt that for a second. Don't worry, they have a nice savior messiah ready to return just for you.

Enjoy living on your knees.

[Jack]

Originally Posted by ctophil

What I'm trying to say is why are you following this Egyptian "sun-god Ra?" Do you not realize that all religions (which are all false, by the way) all evolve from sun-worship one way or another?

This thread has nothing to do with the Sun god "Ra". If you took the time to read the book which i was refering to then you would see that this is not the case.

Ra is a 6th dimensional group conciousness.

Originally Posted by ctophil

Would you rather follow the sun than the Son of Yahweh? Everybody, Yahweh Elohim raised Yahushua for a reason. To show that Yahushua is the way, the truth, and the life!

Again, your argument stands on false grounds. This thread has nothing to do with the Egyptian Sun God. You have just misinterpreted it.

[MMe M]

Originally Posted by ctophil

I agree. Some of you here say that I should have an open mind and that I should stop "preaching." But some of you end up doing the same thing. You don't open your mind and won't stop preaching about your beliefs. This is just the truth, not meant to attack anybody. It's just that much of mankind can't handle the truth. "Those who are blind can not lead the blind. Both will fall into a ditch." This is a paraphrase of Yahushua's words (those who don't know who he is by now, it's the Son of Yahweh). Do you realize that Yahushua is the ONLY one in the entire history of mankind who died and come back to life 3 days and 3 nights later? Yep, no one could do that. Yahweh raised him up. Buddha, Mohammad, Joseph Smith, Adam Weisphaut, Emperor Constantine, Nimrod (ok, he is still worshiped today by just about all nations via thousands of different names, but he is still dead), and many others are all still dead.

What I'm trying to say is why are you following this Egyptian "sun-god Ra?" Do you not realize that all religions (which are all false, by the way) all evolve from sun-worship one way or another? The "teachings of Ra" is no different. Would you rather follow the sun than the Son of Yahweh? Everybody, Yahweh Elohim raised Yahushua for a reason. To show that Yahushua is the way, the truth, and the life! No man can come to the Father but by him!! These two statements are very powerful, very complex, and very simple at the same time. I hope that what I have posted so far in various threads have shed some light to the Kingdom of Heaven.

-Phillip

Phillip,

Uhhg! Your making me grit my teeth!

What if all religions are false but each has a grain of truth? I will not subscribe to any particular one, but take what I will from each and live my
life the best way I can. We are here to learn and we are all one. Since we are all one we must set asside stupid arguments put here by those that seek to divide us. It doesnt mater if your a republican or democrat, black white brown or yellow, catholic, prostatant, muslem, or jew, pro or con nra, for or against abortion-legalized drugs-same sex marriages-eating meat-pornography, we are all the ones children, all people stuck on the same rock till we learn what we have come here for.

One organized religion isnt better than the rest. No one is especially entitled to heaven, virgins, harps, exalted positions, wings, robes, etc. We all get in.

and btw, god doesnt need your money.

[dayzero]

_sighs_

beam me up.


now.

Gregor I would like to thank you starting this most interesting thread. My own experience had been that remaining open to all things has helped me grow spiritually. In the early days of my awakening I was very rigid and dogmatic in regards to religion being the only way to know my Creator (refered to as "god" then). It was hard to let go of the mindset because it had been so deeply ingrained into my psyche. When I started to slowly let go I would find myself thinking "my goodness, what am I doing here thinking such things? If I don't stop this I'm going to hell for sure". That's when I had to start looking within to find what I was seeking. The more I did that the more my old belief system started breaking down. It felt as if I was being "born again" and made anew. My spiritual awakening took off about a year ago when I witnessed my beloved Aunt Charlotte die a slow and horrifically painful physical death. It was then that I started seeing everything in a new light. Witnessing her death was the catalyst that I needed to get moving. Then all the floodgates opened and there it was. The Truths I had searched so long for came pouring in. As painful as it was watching her die I know now it was part of my life plan. She began guiding me with her LOVE. That was SO obvious. My family didn't want to believe it but I tell you it's true. Miracles began happening in my life with her little signature on them. I am at peace. I will continue to work on some things that need fine tuning but I feel like I really get it now.

[dayzero]

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Excuse me. I didn't go back quite far enough on the thread. I'm just appreciative that's it's here.

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by dayzero

But it's not Gregor's thread!

I blame Yeshua.

You know exactly what I mean. Phillip has become into each thread and IMO, going very off topic which is unacceptable in the name of promoting his views w/o any consideration for others especially when we are trying to have a positive discussion relevant to that specific topic.

[pilgrim]

" Seperation, segregation, black, white, chineese, catholic, christian, geek, jock, goth, terrorist, idealist, politician, civilian.. We are all one, the illusion of polarities is in place as a school to teach us that there are no differences. We are one. I am you, you are me. And we are."

This is a very clever post.
Point out the differences, then say there are no differences.., thus implanting the thought!

" We live in a world so very full of speration. We are all different, or so one would think. Our differences range from the colour of our eyes to the colour of our skin. They range from the god we pray too, to the devil we worship "

Your first sentence would suggest NLP (neuro linguistic programming).
You are stating we live in a world of 'separation'..that we are 'all different' and 'so one would think.' You then tell us the 'range ' of differences like the colour of eyes,skin,gods or devils.
That language tells our subconscious that we are different, we are separate and we think that way. We may not be aware of it at first reading, but read it again..,slowly, and be aware that he is telling us the difference. He is trying to implant the thought of difference in an innocuous sentence. It may appear as a unifying spiritual post, but.., take your time, read it sentence by sentence and you will become aware of it's true nature.

" Project camelot is trying to help. Yet, it does not realise what true help means. True help means expressing to the people that we are here for our own good. We are here to learn, to evolve and continue our evolution onto the next density where our lessons expand onto those of love and compassion, of oneness "

Now, I'm no expert.., but that sentence does not make sense.
Read it again and again, then tell me that it doesn't leave you feeling 'icky'

"If the world was a peacefull and a nice place we would not be here. Most of us would be somewhere equally as difficult and polarised.

Instead of wasting our time trying to change the world, we will only benifit from focusing our intention on changing ourselves. Because the only way anyone will ever get out of this dimensional reality is through changing themselves. To truly understand that we are not different, that we are all the same. That each of us is 'God', the creator expressing himself in a different and unique manner. There is no black, there is no white. There is no right, there is no wrong. There just is.

You are me, and I am you. And we are."

Again, I have to say, I'm only stating my opinion on what this person is saying.
In this sentence, to me he is trying to tell me that I should not have opinions, free will.
That I should be selfish in my experience and I should look at the world as an 'onlooker', to experience, but not participate.
Personally, This smacks of control...like a big brother, Orwellian theme.. ' there is no black, no white, no wrong and so on....why doesn't he just put a chip in my head and get on with it!!
I don't have the time nor inclination to go into the rest of this post, but the negativity and new ageism of it will speak for itself.

I'm an ol' Paddy who remembers when my parents had to pawn their wedding rings, suits and bedding to feed us kids. The neighbours shared everything and the craic was great even though we were poor. we felt safe in our community 'cos we didn't know what it was like not to feel secure. We trusted and respected our neighbours. Were those people not enlightened? Have they gone to a different dimension lower than the one we have been told we are destined for?
Are we not been herded into a way of thinking that is beneficial to the new world order of thinking? My generation can remember what real spirituality was like before the indoctrination started 30 odd years ago, believe me....Love does not change, though time and people do.
Stop following 'Gurus', start following your heart..again.

[Jack]

To Pilgrim.

I assure you that you are being overly paranoid.

I have absoultely nothing to gain from divulging this information.

And if its proof you look for as to who I am , I would be more then happy. Although i hope this will not be necessary.

I am fully aware of the workings of Neuro Linguistic Programming, having studied it for the past five years. But there is nothing to gain from me incorporating it into any of my posts. I neither have the motivation to such a thing nor the purpose.

Peace to you, I hope that over some carefull consideration you come to a true understanding as to what this thread really means.

Namaste

[pilgrim]

I stand by my observations sir/madam.
And I'll always love you.
Tom

[arcora]

The Ra 'channelings' are like twinkies for the soul. They taste good, but there's no nourishment.

[MonitorYou]

Hundreds of thousands saying and seeing things! Hundreds of thousands, and guess what? Not a single proof. Not a man or woman to stand up and show us one only proof, what is proof enough to me. Anyway, it is amusing, funny, sometimes distressing, reading, watching and listening to them. I see all as mirrors of my own dreams of something beyond the daily inexorable reality I like to believe in.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by pilgrim

Personally, This smacks of control...like a big brother

You have very clearly demonstrated why it is important to discriminate.

There are as many different perceptions truths as there are humans/perceivers. Sometimes we can share those perceptions, other times we cannot - they are not valid for the observer on their path at this time.

The way I read your message was that your ego was having a bit of a wrestling match with what TimeIsShort was trying to say. Thats ok too. You both do us all a service with your contributions.

Is the bout over? I cannot say, though I doubt it. This is a fight that ultimately the ego cannot win.

@TimeIsShort: At times it can be frustrating to put effort into a message to see it rejected, but it seems to me that this is the way the game has to be played.

Thanks to all of you.

A..

[Jack]

Originally Posted by Anchor

@TimeIsShort: At times it can be frustrating to put effort into a message to see it rejected, but it seems to me that this is the way the game has to be played.

Its alright. The message is quite profound, and its interpretations can vary as much as peoples perceptions. This was fully understood when i posted this. Which is why i outlined that this message could have profound implications for one person and be absolutely worthless to another. It all depends on peoples perceptions and their current knowledge of the incarnational cycles which dominate our existance.