John Lear

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by Heretic

I was wondering if you could comment on the Overview Effect and how it may tie into this awakening sociologically, as well as the individual euphoric experiences, some astronauts have felt and described, that tends to lend credit to the change in consciousness in relationship to the earth. In my eyes this is an interesting phenomenon and I think of it when I think on the 2012 issue.

P.S. I’m having another beer…

Euphoric events are caused by too much euphoria. Change in consciousness caused by same thing. No great sociological awakening is coming. No spiritual leader going to take your hand or light the way. There is going to be no rapture. Nothing is going to happen in 2012 except same old wars. Same old famine. Same old terrorists. Same old taxes.

If you want a better deal then its a 'do-it-yourself' proposition:

Live your life with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed. When you have mastered that you get to go out and play with the adults in the universe.

You don't have to worship a god or go to church or put money in the collection bag or read the bible or praise the lord or say your prayers or become a christian or any of that bs.

All you have to do is live your life with integrity; and meet the challenges placed before you without envy, hate or greed.

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by eagle

If this is true, then how are the aliens beating the van allen belt?

That should be obvious. They were the ones that put it there for our quarantine. We are not allowed to spread our hate and discontent and warlike attitudes. If we don't have any enemies we invent them like we invented the Muslim terrorist. We can't seem to build weapons more deadly or fast enough. Meanwhile if no enemies show up we bomb ourselves just in case anybody thinks we are not threatened.

Regularly, I might add.

More than you cold ever imagine in your wildest dreams.

If they can pass, we can too! If they can hover, we can too! If they can travel through space in a little craft without some huge tank of fuel, we can too! Aliens=free energy!

Yep. Thats the party line. But listen up. We aren't going anywhere without an escort and a damn good reason.

I still *believe* many photos and possibly videos were faked. We may have gone, but those pristine photos are not real.

No, we never went.

I am also trying to figure out how you can say that we didn't go, yet there are glass structures on the Moon.

Yeah heres a nuclear reactor they call Aristarchus:

Those photos are fake, correct?

Or was that in jest - including the parking garage...?

Yeah, here is a refinery on the far side. Oh forgot, you think I jest.

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by johnlear

Yeah heres a nuclear reactor they call Aristarchus:

I've a question on the nuclear reactor.
I admit it really looks strange and obviously isn't natural.
With all this glowing light.

But why is it a nuclear reactor? And why is it stated there so openly?
Isnt that quite risky?

I mean, we on earth wrap our nuclear reactors in concrete domes with high security.

And a 2nd question: If "they" means Aliens, why do they still use such a pre-historic energy source/technology?

I thought they are so high adavanced, using anti-gravity and free energy?


Isnt that a bit puzzling?

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by King Lear

I've a question on the nuclear reactor.
I admit it really looks strange and obviously isn't natural.
With all this glowing light.

But why is it a nuclear reactor?

Because the blue is the Cerenkov effect which is when radiation comes in contact with molecules of air it glows a faint blue.

And why is it stated there so openly?

That photo was taken by Mike's Astrophotography for thelivingmoon.com.

Any photo you see taken by NASA is pure white with occasional blue.

Isnt that quite risky?

NASA never showed the public the true photo of Aristarchus. We caught them with their pants down big time.

I mean, we on earth wrap our nuclear reactors in concrete domes with high security.

Oh its wrapped alright but its a glass you can see right through.

And a 2nd question: If "they" means Aliens, why do they still use such a pre-historic energy source/technology?

'They' means the guys that live on the moon. Don't know why they use that type of energy if what we are looking at is really that type of energy.

I thought they are so high adavanced, using anti-gravity and free energy?

If I ever get to the moon I will ask them.

Isnt that a bit puzzling?

Yes, just like Lazar's educational documentation. Lets start of list here of puzzling things. Put down, 'why does Venus rotate backward on its axis?'

[eagle]

Originally Posted by johnlear

That should be obvious. They were the ones that put it there for our quarantine. We are not allowed to spread our hate and discontent and warlike attitudes. If we don't have any enemies we invent them like we invented the Muslim terrorist. We can't seem to build weapons more deadly or fast enough. Meanwhile if no enemies show up we bomb ourselves just in case anybody thinks we are not threatened.



More than you cold ever imagine in your wildest dreams.



Yep. Thats the party line. But listen up. We aren't going anywhere without an escort and a damn good reason.



No, we never went.



Yeah heres a nuclear reactor they call Aristarchus:





Yeah, here is a refinery on the far side. Oh forgot, you think I jest.

They need refineries?

That crater is more likely to be an asteroid impact with uranium, than a power plant.

I am of the opinion of UFO = FREE ENERGY, which means they don't need either of the above.

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by eagle

They need refineries?

That crater is more likely to be an asteroid impact with uranium, than a power plant.

Are you takng about Aristarchus? An asteroid impact with uranium? What kind of uranium glows blue?

I am of the opinion of UFO = FREE ENERGY, which means they don't need either of the above.

Yeah, you're probably correct.

[eagle]

Originally Posted by johnlear

Are you takng about Aristarchus? An asteroid impact with uranium? What kind of uranium glows blue?



Yeah, you're probably correct.

Aristarchus? Yes, but beats me what color that is!

I am sure there is an element that may glow blue under certain conditions.

[HaveBlue]

Hi John, Obviously you believe Bob Lazar because he took you to see the Wednesday night flights himself. I also see on one of your Camelot interviews you seem to believe Dan Burisch too as do I.
What I would like to ask is what you make of David Adair- the young rocket builder of fusion rocketry that was taken to Groom Lake in the 70s I think, to see if he could make sense of the Greyhound bus sized alien power plant they had there.
He was also a NASA man too for many years according to his story. He talks of hanging out with Neil Armstrongs mother as a kid etc...and being helped along the way by general Curtis Le May.
From the interviews etc... I've seen of him he also seems crediblsome and believable, obviously an intelligent man. He was supposed to be one of Steven Greers disclosure witnesses but was treated rather poorly by him and has still as far as I know been given an explanation by Mr Greer.
And as for Stanton Friedman, who I do give cred to but am amazed by his attitude towards Bob Lazar too. Maybe just a simple case of professional jelousy! I'm sure he is very happy with the title of 'Grandfather of Roswell' etc... and modern Ufology. Then someone like Bob comes along with a way more exciting and fresh story and Stan maybe feels threatened! If Bob gets on the lecture circuit Stan might lose 'customers' to Bob. The fact that Bob never did this and really wants to put it all behind him just makes him more believable in my mind. Like you I know what I know and believe and don't really care whether others share my beliefs or not.

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by HaveBlue

Hi John, Obviously you believe Bob Lazar because he took you to see the Wednesday night flights himself. I also see on one of your Camelot interviews you seem to believe Dan Burisch too as do I.

Let me make it clear that what I believe about Dan Burisch is this: I believe Dan Burisch worked at S-4 as a microbiologist for the Navy and that he intereacted with a biological/cybernetic entity named the J-Rod.

What I would like to ask is what you make of David Adair- the young rocket builder of fusion rocketry that was taken to Groom Lake in the 70s I think, to see if he could make sense of the Greyhound bus sized alien power plant they had there.
He was also a NASA man too for many years according to his story. He talks of hanging out with Neil Armstrongs mother as a kid etc...and being helped along the way by general Curtis Le May.
From the interviews etc... I've seen of him he also seems crediblsome and believable, obviously an intelligent man. He was supposed to be one of Steven Greers disclosure witnesses but was treated rather poorly by him and has still as far as I know been given an explanation by Mr Greer.

I do not believe the David Adair story. And let me add this: many people don't believe the Bob Lazar story simply because it was too fantastic. This reason I believe the Bob Lazat story is that I was there. I wasn't there for the David Adair story and don't know David Adair and therefore it could be true. But I don't believe it at this time.

And as for Stanton Friedman, who I do give cred to but am amazed by his attitude towards Bob Lazar too. Maybe just a simple case of professional jelousy! I'm sure he is very happy with the title of 'Grandfather of Roswell' etc... and modern Ufology. Then someone like Bob comes along with a way more exciting and fresh story and Stan maybe feels threatened! If Bob gets on the lecture circuit Stan might lose 'customers' to Bob. The fact that Bob never did this and really wants to put it all behind him just makes him more believable in my mind. Like you I know what I know and believe and don't really care whether others share my beliefs or not.

Stan is what they called "Old School". He is set in his ways and if he didn't discover it it can't be true. As I have mentioned before Stan never met or interviewed Bob Lazar. Stan wants to see documented educational records after which he would probably find another excuse not to believe Bob.

I enjoy the privilege of having known Bob for ever 20 years and even having known Bob before he believed that flying saucers were real. I didn't ask to see his educational credentials before we drove out to Groom Lake to see the test flight of the flying saucer on March 22, 1989. The event was good enough for me.

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by eagle

Aristarchus? Yes, but beats me what color that is!

Its a light blue.

I am sure there is an element that may glow blue under certain conditions.

Unlikely:

Out of the first 92 elements, 1 being hydrogen (H) and 92 being uranium (U), there are 90 that are naturally occuring. Technetium (Tc) and promethium (Pm) are man-made elements and do not have any isotopes occuring naturally.

One of the most common compounds of elements are the oxides, which is the compound that is produced when an element "rusts" in the presence of oxygen. Some are very reactive with air or water and do not last long in their elemental state, even if produced. Other elements, due to the arrangement of the outer shell of electrons, are very reactive with other elements and are never found out of a compound. Out of these 90 elements, 9 are gases and are usually found in their elemental states. Since many of them are inert gases, they are hard to find and even harder to pick up. There are 4 liquids: bromine (Br), cesium (Cs), gallium (Ga), and mercury (Hg).

http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q933.html

None of these have a blue glow. What does have a blue glow is the Cerenkov effect:

Čerenkov radiation (also spelled Cerenkov or Cherenkov) is electromagnetic radiation emitted when a charged particle (such as a electron) passes through an insulator at a speed greater than the speed of light in that medium. The characteristic "blue glow" of nuclear reactors is due to Čerenkov radiation. It is named after Russian scientist Pavel Alekseyevich Čerenkov, the 1958 Nobel Prize winner who was the first to characterise it rigorously.

Unlike fluorescence or emission spectra that have characteristic spectral peaks, Čerenkov radiation is continuous. Around the visible spectrum, the relative intensity of one frequency is approximately proportional to the frequency. That is, higher frequencies (shorter wavelengths) are more intense in Čerenkov radiation. This is why visible Čerenkov radiation is observed to be brilliant blue. In fact, most Čerenkov radiation is in the ultraviolet spectrum - it is only with sufficiently accelerated charges that it even becomes visible; the sensitivity of the human eye peaks at green, and is very low in the violet portion of the spectrum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenk...on#cite_note-0

Your suggestion that it is a uranium asteroid is not supported by the facts:

Uranium has the highest atomic weight of the naturally occurring elements. Uranium is approximately 70% more dense than lead, but not as dense as gold or tungsten. It is weakly radioactive. It occurs naturally in low concentrations (a few parts per million) in soil, rock and water, and is commercially extracted from uranium-bearing minerals such as uraninite (see uranium mining).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium

Uranium does not glow blue:

The normal color of uranium glass ranges from yellow to green depending on the oxidation state and concentration of the metal ions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium

Now there a number of elements that occur in other solar systems that do not occur on earth.This is because the 2 main factors which determine the residual matter that remains after the creation of that solar system is the amount of electromagnetic energy and the amount of mass present at the time of the creation of that solar system.

However, it is unlikely that an element created in a solar system not similar to earth, flew to our solar system, landed on our moon, assembled itself into a dome topped hexagonal shape 26 miles in diameter and then started glowing blue.

[eagle]

Originally Posted by johnlear

Its a light blue.



Unlikely:



None of these have a blue glow. What does have a blue glow is the Cerenkov effect:



Your suggestion that it is a uranium asteroid is not supported by the facts:



Uranium does not glow blue:



Now there a number of elements that occur in other solar systems that do not occur on earth.This is because the 2 main factors which determine the residual matter that remains after the creation of that solar system is the amount of electromagnetic energy and the amount of mass present at the time of the creation of that solar system.

However, it is unlikely that an element created in a solar system not similar to earth, flew to our solar system, landed on our moon, assembled itself into a dome topped hexagonal shape 26 miles in diameter and then started glowing blue.

I'll grant you that one.

But they don't need refineries on the Moon with FREE ENERGY for those 100 light year journeys.

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

That is an interesting outlook, John. I am sort of the same way. I think in terms of probability and tend to imagine many different scenarios. I enjoy discussing each of these scenarios separate from other possibilities which I may also enjoy discussing.

For example, it is fun to discuss Venus in a classical sense. You know, hot and high pressure. But I also enjoy discussing it in the sense that you and many others do, with it being far more hospitable than we would believe.

Where i confuse myself is when i try to keep both viewpoints in mind while exploring subsequent possibilities.


The only thing set in stone is stone itself.

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by Bigfatfurrytexan

That is an interesting outlook, John. I am sort of the same way. I think in terms of probability and tend to imagine many different scenarios. I enjoy discussing each of these scenarios separate from other possibilities which I may also enjoy discussing.

For example, it is fun to discuss Venus in a classical sense. You know, hot and high pressure. But I also enjoy discussing it in the sense that you and many others do, with it being far more hospitable than we would believe.

Where i confuse myself is when i try to keep both viewpoints in mind while exploring subsequent possibilities.


The only thing set in stone is stone itself.

Once you see proof positive of two or three instances where the government has fed us a load of crap then its easier to see that its all crap. There will be that one instant where it will dawn on you, and you will say to yourself, "Oh no!"

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

It is good to be here, John. I really enjoy your reading, and have still been lurking on some of your other forum participations.

Regarding Kwajelein...

My grandfather worked on the missile coolant systems there in the 60's. My mom was a teenager, as were my uncles. There was no TV, and the radio was USO. This meant that you only got an hour or two of "your type" of music every day.

The status symbols of the Americans on the base was their AV equipment. My family has quite a few pics of rockets being launched, and i am willing to bet that there are thousands of feet of film and other images locked away in family footchests from folks who lived there at that time. Everyone had camera's, and everyone filmed the launches. They would picnic and sit out in large groups to watch launches.

After one launch in the late 60's, the military put out a request to all solidiers and civilians: they had botched the filming of the most recent launch, and needed to see if the locals would mind sharing what they had of it. After this, they didn't allow any more filming of launches, and required people to stay indoors. Of course, people complied as the island was a small family, and the people were very blindly patriotic.

The story mom has is that they saw that the locals footage was better than theirs, and that it was embarrassing to them. Of course, now that it is 2008 she believes it was more of a national security issue.

I believe that this is a launch platform for the secret space missions, and that this is what they wanted to hide. Can't have images of large titan and delta rockets being launched, right?

I need to get with my uncle and discuss his time on Kwaj. He was in a bike wreck, and his memory isn't so good...so i am unsure if he can add much. Well...and he is a pothead biker (part of the reason he had his bike wreck, i guess).

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

Originally Posted by johnlear

Once you see proof positive of two or three instances where the government has fed us a load of crap then its easier to see that its all crap. There will be that one instant where it will dawn on you, and you will say to yourself, "Oh no!"

That is what you and Zorgon have done for me, for sure. You have "disillusioned" me, and it is nice to stop living with illusions.

Add to that what Matt has done for showing me the possibility of what can be....

The recent cloaking thing is one big one (as it supports the inside info we received via Zorgon, and that supports all the other info recieved from teh same source). The work that is being done in Europe on Gravity is another.

Then you add in all the stuff that you had in your Copernicus images thread....

this one still is the kicker. Nothing will ever convince me otherwise unless this image can be debunked. it is the clencher for me:



BTW...Mr. Jim Oberg chimed in on the "tear in spacetime" image, but would not comment on the above (he became terse and responded: ""Why?" means to what purpose should I do your homework, when after I acquiesced to your first request, you shrugged it off and went on to what's clearly just another item on a potentially near-infinite list. When you asked that first question, had you even looked on the Apollo Lunar Surface journal -- easily findable on the web -- for context? My point: I shouldn't be made into the 'single point failure' on your inability to find satisfactory prosaic explanations. What's in it for me? ").

That is another topic...and i will save the rest for that.

[GodLover]

If Planet X is not true, then what actually is causing an increase in the earthquakes and volcanic activities? Hurricanes and weather can be explained away with global warming but how about all the other things?

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

Originally Posted by GodLover

If Planet X is not true, then what actually is causing an increase in the earthquakes and volcanic activities? Hurricanes and weather can be explained away with global warming but how about all the other things?

The sun. It drives our solar system in every possible way. it is the sun, plain and simple.

How would planet X increase Earthquakes? And this increase...what time scale are we talking? Has it increased when viewed over the last thousand years? Two days? What does the human point of reference do to such suppositions?

Global warming is a bigger myth than Planet X. Of course the planet is warming up. So is every other planet in the solar system. Did we pollute them as well? (I know Zorgon will chime in with the plutonium and such....that isn't what I mean).

There is no evidence to support Planet X that I am aware of. No astronomical measurements. That YouTube video was a hoax, admitted by the guy who created it.

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by GodLover

If Planet X is not true, then what actually is causing an increase in the earthquakes and volcanic activities? Hurricanes and weather can be explained away with global warming but how about all the other things?

Its actually a combination of HAARP and something else I don't know too much about. There are at least 30 HAARP transmitters world wide. The can make, direct and intensify hurricanes, (for instance Erin was manufactured to be sure the toxic gases from the molecular disassociation weapon spewed out south over the Atlantic on 911, Katrina was another) or any other type of weather phenomena.

Want a volcano to become active? Just say where and when. They have an earthquake machine (I know, I know, well eventually you'll get there! ) It was the machine that caused the earthquake in China a few months ago 300 miles west of the 3 Gorges dam that destroyed the Chinese undeground nuke facility. You remember the tsunami in southeast Asia a few years ago that killed 250,000 people? That was them or 'us' or U.S. or whatever you want, its all the same.

Global warming is nothing but a cycle of warming that will eventually take care of itself. There is nothing we can do or pay to stop it. But to be sure you believe it and are paying attention the military will be happy to cut off a few icebergs for you to prove it. Like this one:



This was a 'clean break' you might say, 30 miles long.

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by johnlear

Its actually a combination of HAARP and something else I don't know too much about. There are at least 30 HAARP transmitters world wide.

It was the machine that caused the earthquake in China a few months ago 300 miles west of the 3 Gorges dam that destroyed the Chinese undeground nuke facility.

You remember the tsunami in southeast Asia a few years ago that killed 250,000 people? That was them or 'us' or U.S. or whatever you want, its all the same.

Hmmm HAARP...

My favorite topic - Best greetings to Benjamin Fulford!


Let us imagine this machine/facility is real and it could cause earthquakes and seaquakes.
Then let us imagine I'm Kim Jong Mentally-Ill, and I'm so damn jelous about the fact that the South Koreans are sooooo damn rich and I've to turn off the lights at night in my country.

But I've a HAARP machine/facility - HARRR HARRR HARRR HAARP
And now I go forward to destroy Seol!

But how can I direct the HAARP power???
I want to hit Seol and not Qingdao or Beijing, they are my communistic bossomfriends... they're my last friends!

So, HOW can I direct HAARP???

Originally Posted by johnlear View Post
Its actually a combination of HAARP and something else I don't know too much about. There are at least 30 HAARP transmitters world wide.

Its a combination of facilities... There is so much involved that Jack and I have been going crazy trying to put it all together... I think seeing as there is interest I will make that my next big thread and start it off before the Gravity on the Moon thread... (Besides I have new data on the gravity from JAXA to add and John is working on the Pari Spolter angle...

Elements involved...
EISCAT - European Incoherent Scatter
HIPAS - High Power Auroral Stimulation Observatory
IRIS - Imaging Riometer for Ionospheric Studies

I will toss a few in here for now but will put it in order in a thread next week...

SURA Russian HAARP Facility



The Sura facility was commissioned in 1981. Using this facility, Russian researchers achieved extremely interesting results regarding the ionosphere behavior and discovered the effect of generation of low-frequency emission at the modulation of ionosphere current[1]. At the beginning, Soviet Defense Department mostly footed the bill. The American HAARP ionospheric heater is similar to the Sura facility. The HAARP project began in 1993.



SURA Emblem



Jicamarca Radio Observatory - Lima, Peru



Much bigger than HAARP


Although it is in Peru it is maintained by Cornell University

National MST Radar Facility
Gadanki, near Tirupati, in southern Andra Pradesh, India



This is for John

CHERENKOV RADIATION at night...

I will explain why this is important later I really don't want to toss it all in here at random as its taken months of work, but I know John will catch the significance in relation to the Moon (I will copy the other post below)


Here is an EISCAT faciltiy in Norway... same look... same function... only a different name... part of the 'network'



Here is an IRIS facility in Kilpisjärvi, Finland... same look... same function... only a different name... part of the 'network'

Originally Posted by King Lear

But how can I direct the HAARP power???

Well first YOU would have to break into a secure facility

But since the HAARP Signal is basically a radar network... controlling it is relatively simple by adjusting the frequencies of individual elements...

In fact they are getting so good at it they can literally draw in the Aurora



What is more interesting is that the scientists feel they can put up a new shield around the Earth should ours fail in case of a pole shift... (this same shield can be used for missile defense) or turned off over certain regions...

An off shoot of this technology is Star Trek like shields for spacecraft... something NASA already did papers on dated 1964 by GE

Shields for the Starship Enterprise: A Reality?


Image Credit: EISCAT

An artificial magnetosphere could be generated around manned space craft en route to the Moon or Mars to protect the occupants from the potentially lethal radiation in space from the Sun. A superconducting ring on board such a space craft could produce a magnetic field, or mini-magnetosphere, similar to the Earth’s, which would create a Star Trek like ‘deflector or plasma shield

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_...ic_Shield.html


ACTIVE SHIELDING CONCEPTS FOR THE IONIZING RADIATION IN SPACE

prepared for
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
R.C. GOOD, S.P. SHEN, AND N.F. DOW
Contract NASw-502 Final Report Rev. 31 Jan. 1964

Summary:

Studies have been made on the problems of shielding a spacecraft from ionizing radiation. Protons having energies between 100 and 1,000 MeV were taken as the radiation that should be excluded from the spacecraft's crew. An electromagnetic field system using a toroidal shaped spacecraft with a confined magnetic field is shown to be the lightest among those treated.

Weight calculations were made for spacecraft having crew spaces of 10, 100, 1,000, and 10,000 cu. ft. Spheres, cylinders, toruses, and spherical modules were selected for crew space configurations. Confined magnetic
fields surrounded each with passively shielded hatches added for passageway through the field. The weights were compared with a polyethylene passive shield by plotting the weight of shield system per unit volume of crew space against the Loading Index, the ratio of stopping power to a dimension of the system. Weights of hatch, superconducting coils, thermal insulation, and structural support were calculated.

In general, the active shield weight is only 20% that of the passive shield for high energy protons and for large sizes of spacecraft. The shield with a confined field weighs 30% of that for a shield using an unconfined field. If hatches are included, the use of spherical modules leads to spacecraft that are lighter than spheres, cylinders, or toruses. For spacecraft in the shape of a torus, a passively shielded hatch is not required because there are no
junctions between oppositely directed magnetic fields. In that case, a spacecraft in the shape of a torus is lighter than the other shapes.

ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19640021638_1964021638.pdf

So as we can see there is a LOT more to this than HAARP

But all anyone ever wants to do is blame HAARP for everything yet never look past their noses at what they are really doing... and just how far advanced they are...

As John said about 30... and they are building more. I have found most of them on Google Earth, but not the ones in Russia or China yet

King Lear... if you ARE interested I can use help sorting data

standauffish@earthlink.net

Moved from the other thread because of relevance here...

I will start the new HAARP thread soon, but next few days will be hell at work so have patience

Weird A few days ago I just put together all the info on HAARP from the Navy websites... I just now went to quote them only to find they have shut them down... at least at this time

One is still in Google Cache...

Here are the original links...

They are either changing their websites or pulling them

NRL - The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program
It was developed by NRL's Plasma Physics Division and on loan to HAARP for ... program addresses communications and surveillance needs of the Navy with the ...
www.nrl.navy.mil/content.php?P=04REVIEW106

NRL Press Release
Jan 8, 2008 ... Significant help in conducting the experiment was provided by HAARP Program Managers Paul Kossey (Air Force) and Edward Kennedy (Navy); ...
www.nrl.navy.mil/pressRelease.php?Y=2008&R=4-08r

HAARP
Simulations of ELF radiation generated by heating the high-latitude D- region. H.L. Rowland, Beam Physics Branch, Plasma Physics Division, Naval Research ...
http://wwwppd.nrl.navy.mil/whatsnew/haarp/

This last one is still on Goggle Cache...

MAYBE it has something to do with this...

Scientists Detect Lowest Frequency Radar Echo from the Moon

HaarpA team of scientists from the Naval Research Laboratory (NRL), the Air Force Research Laboratory’s (AFRL’s) Research Vehicles Directorate, Kirtland Air Force Base, N.M., and the University of New Mexico (UNM) has detected the lowest frequency radar echo from the moon ever seen with earth-based receivers.

http://www.unm.edu/~market/cgi-bin/archives/002519.html

Seems they are trying to look inside the Moon

I have been working a long time on the HAARP array and its sister stations and will do a full thread on it sometime next week..


It seems that they also think that IF the Earth looses its magnetic shield during a pole shift, that they can 'replace' it and protect us

The down side of this is that they can turn it off where ever they want...

"Hey Castro... we want 10,000 of your finest cigars for the boys or we hit the 'off' switch.... "

One more teaser for now....

The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) provides significant new capabilities for conducting experimental research on high-power, radio wave interactions in the ionosphere and space, as well as in related military-system applications. The facility for experimental research is located in Gakona, Alaska.

The program is jointly managed by the Air Force Research Laboratory, Space Vehicles Directorate, Kirtland Air Force Base, N.M., and the Office of Naval Research, Arlington, Va.

http://www.kirtland.af.mil/shared/me...070404-097.pdf

Careful this is a secured .mil site and may only be accessible from within the USA

But it shows you the players

So seems they are trying to see whether or not the Moon is hollow

In addition to these projects, the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project
(HAARP) is exploring the use of low frequency electromagnetic waves for detecting and imaging
underground structures and tunnels

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cprc97/cprc9705.pdf

[johnlear]

Eagle,

Please resize your picture.

Thanks.

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

Originally Posted by zorgon

That is the first time i have seen that image. Very, very interesting, indeed.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Bigfatfurrytexan

That is the first time i have seen that image. Very, very interesting, indeed.

EeeYup. Very telling indeed...

[CONDE]

Originally Posted by johnlear

Its actually a combination of HAARP and something else I don't know too much about. There are at least 30 HAARP transmitters world wide. The can make, direct and intensify hurricanes, (for instance Erin was manufactured to be sure the toxic gases from the molecular disassociation weapon spewed out south over the Atlantic on 911, Katrina was another) or any other type of weather phenomena.

Want a volcano to become active? Just say where and when. They have an earthquake machine (I know, I know, well eventually you'll get there! ) It was the machine that caused the earthquake in China a few months ago 300 miles west of the 3 Gorges dam that destroyed the Chinese undeground nuke facility. You remember the tsunami in southeast Asia a few years ago that killed 250,000 people? That was them or 'us' or U.S. or whatever you want, its all the same.

Global warming is nothing but a cycle of warming that will eventually take care of itself. There is nothing we can do or pay to stop it. But to be sure you believe it and are paying attention the military will be happy to cut off a few icebergs for you to prove it. Like this one:



This was a 'clean break' you might say, 30 miles long.

SOOOOO, can we say then that the U.S.ses and the Ruskis are playing
a deadly game of of Macabre ping-pong on the Gulf / Caribbean sector
as we chat and we are just "collateral damage" ?