Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ?

[Gnosis5]

I think it is a great idea to get it going with the concept of it's being a "resort" because that implies that you will bring it into profit first stage.

I have long wanted to build something in Kenya and my first stage plan was to make it a safari camp, and then a school/village for young artists, and then on from there, step by step, using the income from each project to further build. This largely bypasses the need for investor input.

best wishes,
gnosis

Originally Posted by Night Light

***Sorry I'm late***

Me and some friends are working on a project to build and run an eco-resort on the Mexican coast. The purpose is to create a prime environment for growth and learning. We have done an emmense amount of r+d and are getting our shovels dirty within the next month. We have a dynamic approach that will describe in better detail later. For now, I wanted to say hello and introduce myself. It took me nearly a whole day to read this thread, but I enjoyed it.

I have a lot to say, but I dont have the time right now. Soon. Soon.

In the mean time, I have a website with articles and links, though it isn't quite done with its makeover...
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[mudra]

These are great news Night Light .
I am looking forward to read more of what you have to share.
May all your dreams come true

Love Always
mudra

[Night Light]

Originally Posted by mudra

These are great news Night Light .
I am looking forward to read more of what you have to share.
May all your dreams come true

Love Always
mudra

Thx Mudra!

K so my team and I have come up with some amazing things, and I intend to share my knowledge. For the first installment, I would like to refer you to an article I wrote about green-building techniques and technologies. In it you will be introduced to what I believe to be THE BEST WAY TO BUILD: Stabilized Compressed Earth Bricks/Blocks!
To give you a taste before you click the link, here are JUST SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES:

Strength: The blocks are strong! CEB can have a compressive strength as high as 2,000 pounds per square inch. Blocks with compressive strengths of 1,200 to 1,400 p.s.i. are common.

Thermal advantages: Due to the enormous mass - these are monolithic walls - CEB has excellent thermal performance, reducing heating and cooling costs.

Non-toxic: materials are completely natural and do not out-gas toxic chemicals (like concrete and many other modern building materials)

Sound resistant: an important feature in high-density neighborhoods, residential areas adjacent to industrial zones

Fire resistant: earthen walls do not burn

Insect resistant: the walls are solid and very dense, discouraging insects

Mold resistant: there is no cellulose material - such as in wood or drywall



ARTICLE LINK

Soon to come:
Agriculture (Terra-Preta!)
Tools for rapid healing
Open source free energy tech

[mudra]

Excellent info Night Light .
Thank you for sharing and thank you for giving some leads to Ascended Starseed as well.
I am gratefull for your contribution here.

Love from me
mudra

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Night Light

Thx Mudra!

K so my team and I have come up with some amazing things, and I intend to share my knowledge. For the first installment, I would like to refer you to an article I wrote about green-building techniques and technologies. In it you will be introduced to what I believe to be THE BEST WAY TO BUILD: Stabilized Compressed Earth Bricks/Blocks!
To give you a taste before you click the link, here are JUST SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES:

Strength: The blocks are strong! CEB can have a compressive strength as high as 2,000 pounds per square inch. Blocks with compressive strengths of 1,200 to 1,400 p.s.i. are common.

Thermal advantages: Due to the enormous mass - these are monolithic walls - CEB has excellent thermal performance, reducing heating and cooling costs.

Non-toxic: materials are completely natural and do not out-gas toxic chemicals (like concrete and many other modern building materials)

Sound resistant: an important feature in high-density neighborhoods, residential areas adjacent to industrial zones

Fire resistant: earthen walls do not burn

Insect resistant: the walls are solid and very dense, discouraging insects

Mold resistant: there is no cellulose material - such as in wood or drywall



ARTICLE LINK

Soon to come:
Agriculture (Terra-Preta!)
Tools for rapid healing
Open source free energy tech

In my travels I found myself at tea in a home in Nairobi. It was stucco'd on the outside and I happened to notice a spot where the stucco had chipped off and was surprised to see packed earth.

I can see that one could also create floating foundation blocks, or decking piers if the bricks hold together as well as concrete does. Do you use regular mortar?

It's past my bedtime and I'm getting a picture of pre-fab homes using packed and/or extruded earthen building materials and modules. It works in Africa, but will it work in Toronto?

cheers!
Gnosis

[Night Light]

Hi Gnosis,

The technique done in Nairobi could have been a multitude of things. It could be CEB but it could also be rammed earth or adobe.

Truth be told, I have not personally seen or tested a stabilized compressed earth brick. Since there are many different potential stabilizers it is tough to verify an average or uniform strength. Also imprtant to note is that the soil clay sand mixture that makes up the bricks must be within a certain mixture zone, otherwise the brick can be comprimised.

At the same time of course, a brick that is ok in Africa may not be ok in Toronto. This however does not mean it cant work in Toronto. With experimentation, I expect that you could get away with using SCEB in most areas of the world. What is important is that no water sits and stays in contact with the brick. They are water resistant not water proof.

I'm not sure what you are talking about as far as pre-fab... Perhaps you just need some sleep?..

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

In my travels I found myself at tea in a home in Nairobi. It was stucco'd on the outside and I happened to notice a spot where the stucco had chipped off and was surprised to see packed earth.

I can see that one could also create floating foundation blocks, or decking piers if the bricks hold together as well as concrete does. Do you use regular mortar?

It's past my bedtime and I'm getting a picture of pre-fab homes using packed and/or extruded earthen building materials and modules. It works in Africa, but will it work in Toronto?

cheers!
Gnosis

[Gnosis5]

Speaking of rammed earth, this site puts out a good argument for this as a building material: http://www.rammedearth.ca/

Originally Posted by Night Light

Hi Gnosis,

The technique done in Nairobi could have been a multitude of things. It could be CEB but it could also be rammed earth or adobe.

Truth be told, I have not personally seen or tested a stabilized compressed earth brick. Since there are many different potential stabilizers it is tough to verify an average or uniform strength. Also imprtant to note is that the soil clay sand mixture that makes up the bricks must be within a certain mixture zone, otherwise the brick can be comprimised.

At the same time of course, a brick that is ok in Africa may not be ok in Toronto. This however does not mean it cant work in Toronto. With experimentation, I expect that you could get away with using SCEB in most areas of the world. What is important is that no water sits and stays in contact with the brick. They are water resistant not water proof.

I'm not sure what you are talking about as far as pre-fab... Perhaps you just need some sleep?..

[mudra]

Pineal-Pilot-in the merkabah,

I wish you to sort things out soon.
May you make a quantum leap towards the reaching of your goal.
Any help needed ..ask it on this thread .

Love Always
mudra

[AscendingStarseed]

Originally Posted by Tango

I have left knowledge all over this site. No One reads it...Let The Force be withIn you.

I have read and enjoy your work Tango, I totally agree with your views on oil - well said!

[AscendingStarseed]

Originally Posted by mudra

Hello and welcome to You Ascended Starseed ,

Here is the link to Timeline 2012.

http://www.timeline2012.org/


You will see communities there that members from this forum are building as well as others across the world.
The rainbow community is being build in Canada by Northern Sanctuary .
The Trace the circle community is in Montana and is being built by TTC.

Both can be contacted .
Northern Sanctuary through PM
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=1116

and TTC through this link:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=15664

Love from me
mudra

Thanks for the leads, I really appreciate your help Mudra and wil let you know if anything comes of it...

Have you heard of a community somewhere in Washington, maybe around the Spokane area? Seems like I read about it on PA but can't remember exactly where and I do remember there was an issue some people couldn't live with - no guns allowed on the property. I don't have a problem with that, spiritual protection and guidance can overcome any threat with enough Faith, Love and Light.

With much love,
Annette

[Night Light]

Originally Posted by AscendingStarseed

Thanks for the leads, I really appreciate your help Mudra and wil let you know if anything comes of it...

Have you heard of a community somewhere in Washington, maybe around the Spokane area? Seems like I read about it on PA but can't remember exactly where and I do remember there was an issue some people couldn't live with - no guns allowed on the property. I don't have a problem with that, spiritual protection and guidance can overcome any threat with enough Faith, Love and Light.

With much love,
Annette

There are a few. I personally visited a couple just a few months ago. PM me if you would like to know more...

[Sideshow Shaman]

A few things in relation to radiant zones... first, the term seems to be gaining usage around the 'net.

Thanks to Night Light for the info about Compressed Earth Bricks. It has been forwarded to a researcher working on the next Zeitgeist addendum.

It appears that Trace the Circle has gone dark, in the internet sense. The website says, " Welcome to Trace the Circle, The Community is Now Closed". So I guess the community has a population now. Seems strange that there is no real status update. Also seems odd that the websites forum is no longer even readable by the public and forum registration is closed too. Pretty much total info lockdown... Anyway hope to hear what's going on over there sometime. The "proposal" posted on Avalon should probably be removed.

Now on to my main reason for posting on this thread. I've recently spent a couple months living in an urban community with over 30 people.

It's basically run on a room rental model but people that live there are expected to participate making the house work. The formal structure of the group is still being established. There is an informal (imperfect) consensus process in place that runs long term operations.

So much of the "radiant zone" ideas have been about building new physical structures out in the countryside. It would seem even more mindful to use existing structures to house communities. Population centers are natural gathering places for 'underground' communities. And some people, like myself, even prefer living in cities.

Actually finding such a place and being there was a fairly intense experience. I should probably reread this whole thread but it seemed like most of the issues presented here did not arise in day to day life. The main issues seemed the same as in "normal" life, paying the rent & gathering food, with a sprinkling of interpersonal conflict on top. The solutions to these were perhaps radical by some standards but were simply products of the personalities gathered together. It was not a place with formal policies for every occasion, it was a place filled with caring, knowledgeable, creative, but also flawed, people.

Now if I can just get rid of my small amount of debt, i will move back there. Any questions about this existing community are welcome.

[NorthernSanctuary]

Hi Sideshow Shaman,

That's an interesting experience. As far as questions, I was wondering if that setup attracted mostly single people? Were there couples/ kids?

The reason why the country setting was considered in this thread is the expected food shortage foreseen in the near future. This is problematic in an urban setting.

/NS

[Sideshow Shaman]

Hi Northern,
Yes, the residents were almost entirely single people. There were also some individuals that just stayed briefly then moved on. Of course everyone had to be invited or cleared through the housing board. This was a lot different than the typical communal setting of families homesteading, which I experienced in the 70s.

As for food... ever try dumpstering? There is currently enough planned obsolescence built in to food delivery systems (grocery stores) to feed large quantities of people. While it's true that a major catastrophy would break the supply chain, current supplies are abundant. Short of a truly massive disturbance, the dumpsters will continue to be stocked

A friend of mine is getting pretty deep into urban growing/hydroponics, but that does require an initial investment. Would like to see that explored more.

Also, being single and having purged the usual societal attachments, my life attitude is more like living in a beach town that gets blown away every 3 years. That is, do not possess anything you cannot walk away from. This allows me to not worry as much (at all?) about 'big future disasters' as I am confident in my ability to move during those situations.

As a child i lived in the middle-of-nowhere countryside and still think it is a great place to be a kid. However, I have been looking for a communal living situation because (in part) my life became isolating. So, for me, the inner city setting is preferred.

[Night Light]

Originally Posted by Sideshow Shaman

A few things in relation to radiant zones... first, the term seems to be gaining usage around the 'net.

Thanks to Night Light for the info about Compressed Earth Bricks. It has been forwarded to a researcher working on the next Zeitgeist addendum.

...

So much of the "radiant zone" ideas have been about building new physical structures out in the countryside. It would seem even more mindful to use existing structures to house communities. Population centers are natural gathering places for 'underground' communities. And some people, like myself, even prefer living in cities.

...

Now if I can just get rid of my small amount of debt, i will move back there. Any questions about this existing community are welcome.

Hi SS,

As a former member of The Zeitgeist Movement, I'd like to know who the info was forwarded to. I was the primary organizer of Seattle's Z-Day 2009, which to the best of my knowledge was the 2nd largest event in the US, just behind the main event. I explain why I no longer consider myself part of TZM in the about me article at www.TheQuantumU.com

I have no qualm whatsoever with the sharing of the info of course, I simply desire to know who you refer to, as I could potentially supply more info. I have not followed Peter Joseph's words lately but I recall being told that the next film was going to focus on suppressed and emergent technologies, of which I know a bit about.

Re: 'urban radiant zones'

First off, I consider myself a city boy who thrives in urban environments-
but- In my view it is impossible to call an urban area a radiant zone at this time(particularly in the US). Sure, you can create pockets of 'radiance', and I fully believe that running for the hills is a copout not an solution, but lets think about some potential scenarios...

-The economy collapses bringing a stop to the flow of goods, the dollar's value plummets making American buying power essentially non-existent. The moment this happens, you soon see ALL food supplies exhausted leaving little more than crumbs for massive populations. People have to create new ways of survival, because their jobs (if they are lucky to still have them) are no longer able to pay them the money they so desparately need to put food in their mouth. Such a scenario could easily give way to chaos, but less so in areas that are able to completely self sustain, at the very least, by producing their own food and water. Cities, as they are designed up to now, are incapable of supporting large populations without complete reliance on outside sources of food and water.

-I am not a doomsayer, but IF martial law were to be enforced, the last place I would want to be is anywhere near a city, or even a railroad for that matter. If I were in the city, and SHTF, I would hope to be able to make it to rural areas asap. I have never been in an evacuation scenario, but I have been in rush hour traffic, and I can say that when large numbers of people are on the roads, it becomes nearly impossible to travel. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if utter pandimonium erupted at the slightest hint of trouble. Desparation and fear can drive ordinary people to do ugly things for self preservation.

-Say you are smart and set up a comprehensive plan to prepare for any potential problems at a personal level. Say your friends down the street weren't so smart, leaving the burden on you to either share or refuse to help out of concern for your own survival. More importantly, what if some sad and lost soul decides that since you are a 'have', and they are a 'have-not', it is acceptable to even the odds through violence?

-Even if the above problems are not encountered, a radiant zone can hardly be called such in areas of large amounts of polution(i.e. industrial zones, airports and cities). Indeed there will soon be an intense global campaign to put an end to future pollution, in fact the techniques already exist, just waiting to be accepted and implemented. What few realize is that a large majority of our building materials are toxic, and release poisons over time. On top of that, our old ways of inefficiency and planned obselescence(driven by personal profit motive) have rendered our buildings and various infrastructures obsolete at best, dangerous at worst. My point here is that building new structures(and infrastructures) rather than utilizing existing ones in fact makes more sense. I have had this debate with many people while in the Zeitgeist Movement. It is not wise in my opinion to build on top of the old. If I were to rebuild a tower at Piza so that it no longer leans, would anyone think it wise of me if were to use the existing foundation below the current leaning tower? I think not.


It is our mission to co-create a new and harmonious paradigm in respect to all aspects of our human existence. A multi-faceted challenge deserves a multi-faceted solution, and I am personally planning on being city bound for as long as I can, because that is where I am most effective in reaching people.

I think that what people do everywhere to altruistically help their neighbors, friends, AND foes (no matter where they are physically), will be the deciding factor in the outcome of what is happening, here(USA) and everywhere.

Regarding your debt, my friend, I implore you to not let it stop you from doing what you have to do. Especially if the debt is to a creditor. When all this blows over I HIGHLY doubt it will be relevant.

With respect and humble gratitude,
NL

[pureheart7]

Greetings~~

I am a new member and very interested in farming and communities.

People have asked me if I feel safe where I am, and my answer for now is Yes. I live on high ground in a rustic cottage with fresh water and loads of firewood


I am passionate about local fresh food, co-creating community and expressing our natural talents and abilities. I have looked at the threads relating to ground crews etc. and see little activity there, so I decided to post here.

I would also like to share this website on Intentional Communities:
http://www.ic.org/ and this:http://wwoof.org/

Change requires courage and a leap of faith~~it needs to feel right and resonate. I have been applying for farm internships in my area so I can learn.

I would love to hear from others who are like-minded or in my area.
Blessings~~