Warning: VERY CONTROVERSIAL - holocaust

[Noela]

Bishop Williamson who believes the generally
reported "facts" of the holocaust have been
distorted is now in hiding in Britain, having
been expelled from Venuzuela for stating
his beliefs.

On national television last night I saw
David Irving, historian, who went to
jail for having similar beliefs.

It seems strange to me, that in countries
that believe in free speech someone can
be jailed for giving a view that is
contrary to the "norm". I,m not sure
what the charge was, but certainly
the judge labelled him "racist" and
commentators assert that to hold
such views means the person is
anti-semitic - but surely, the one
does not follow from the other.

[KathyT]

Originally Posted by Noela

On national television last night I saw David Irving, historian, who went to
jail for having similar beliefs.

I thought this would be odd it it were in America, so I looked up David Irving on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving

For clarification, Wikipedia says:
"David John Cawdell Irving (born 24 March 1938) is a British writer[1] specializing in the military history of World War II. His interpretations of the Third Reich have proved highly controversial due to allegations of undue sympathy for the Third Reich and antisemitism, and because of his involvement in the Holocaust denial movement. He is the author of 30 books, including The Destruction of Dresden (1963), Hitler's War (1977), Uprising! (1981), Churchill's War (1987), and Goebbels — Mastermind of the Third Reich (1996).

Irving's reputation as an historian was widely discredited[2] after he brought an unsuccessful libel case against American historian Deborah Lipstadt and Penguin Books in 1996. During the trial, an English court found that Irving was an "active Holocaust denier," as well as an antisemite and racist, and that he "associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism."[3] The judge also ruled that Irving had "for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence."[3][4]

On a visit to Austria, Irving was apprehended, tried and convicted of "glorifying and identifying with the German Nazi Party", which is a crime in Austria under the Verbotsgesetz law. He served a prison sentence from February to December 2006 on the charges."

[cantaloupe]

Let's not forget that the Japanese in China killed what is estimated to be double the number of Jews that were purportedly killed by the Nazis. The holocaust(s) happened. They have always happened and they continue to this day. I don't doubt that the numbers have been exaggerated to capitalize on the appropriate outrage / emotional charge created by such an occurrence, or that what has since been perpetrated has less to do with the original atrocity and is more about the agenda of a small group that is now practicing the same sort of policy against yet another group. Maybe it should be termed holocaust reappraisal so that we can look at it without dissing the Jews or what happened to them and thereby finally learn from it. Never again has turned out to be, in reality, ever again.

[theseeker64]

Originally Posted by Noela

Bishop Williamson who believes the generally
reported "facts" of the holocaust have been
distorted is now in hiding in Britain, having
been expelled from Venuzuela for stating
his beliefs.

On national television last night I saw
David Irving, historian, who went to
jail for having similar beliefs.

It seems strange to me, that in countries
that believe in free speech someone can
be jailed for giving a view that is
contrary to the "norm". I,m not sure
what the charge was, but certainly
the judge labelled him "racist" and
commentators assert that to hold
such views means the person is
anti-semitic - but surely, the one
does not follow from the other.

Your right in some countries people are going to prison for questioning the holocaust. There is something wrong with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0hQ_...EA37B&index=10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVU3I...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqR0S...eature=related

[Céline]

Any attack on Humans...should concern all of us.

Am i surprised to hear that the facts are distorted? no...only surprised that some are still surprised....

History is written by the victors..afterall.