The US Constitution

[Malynda]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

I'm just trying to sample a lot of different things and points of view...but not get bogged down on any one thing...or take anything too seriously. Here is yet another viewpoint on Washington D.C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eynHq...eature=related.

I've been living with eyes wide shut. Thanks for that interesting video. I'm with you. I look at lots of different points of view but am not necessarily buying into anything. It just helps to clear out the cobwebs and make me more aware.

[orthodoxymoron]

seashore: Nice job researching. I would need to hear constitutional lawyers or university professors or seasoned researchers debate the issue of constitutional corruption. Everything needs to be reexamined in a rational manner. We have taken a lot of things for granted...and trusted a lot of people and institutions in an unquestioning way. This is obviously changing. I just hope and pray that when we throw out the bathwater...we don't throw out the baby as well. Forums such as Avalon may help us to arrive at correct conclusions...and achieve appropriate responses.

[orthodoxymoron]

Just Following Orders vs Responding Responsibly

[Seashore]

"Even more shocking to many Americans is the notion that the Bill of Rights is intended to protect our rights from officials and personnel of the federal government...

Our American ancestors were easily able to avoid conflating the federal government and the private sector. They had learned an important lesson from history and from personal experience, a lesson that unfortunately has been lost on many modern-day Americans: the greatest threat to the freedom and well-being of a citizenry lies not with foreigners but rather with their own government, especially a government with a large standing military force... "

These quotes are taken from an essay entitled "Do We Still Need the Bill of Rights? by Jacob G. Hornberger, Posted December 10, 2008.

[Seashore]

Here is a website that I discovered today: Freedom.org (now Freedom21.org).



They are announcing a conference to be held in Oklahoma August 13 - 15, 2009 entitled "The Growing American Tyranny and How to Stop It"...

[peaceandlove]

Seattle Regional Conference Fliers

Campaign for Liberty Conference Memorial Weekend

Posted by Matt Hawes on 05/15/09 4:52 PM

It's hard to believe that May is halfway over and next weekend is Memorial Day Weekend! We're excited about our upcoming Regional Conference in Seattle and are looking forward to a great time of inspiration, training, and networking.

We've added a couple of fliers about the event to our "Handouts" section to help those of you in the Northwest area spread the word about the Conference.

This flier emphasizes our free and open to the public Freedom Celebration with Dr. Paul and Tom Woods (taking place on Friday, May 22):



And thanks to Michael Nystrom over at the Daily Paul for allowing us to add his great fliers.



Get the full-size version here, and click here for a smaller, four-to-a-page PDF.

Check out our Seattle Regional Conference event page for full agenda, registration, sponsorship, hotel, and travel details. If you are unable to make it out, consider sponsoring a student to attend.

EVENT INFORMATION PAGE: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/event/2009seattle.php

Source for article and links within article: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/bl...cpg=1#comments

[TtC]

I bet very, few if any, of you actually know that the the Constitution is not a legally binding contract and has, when brought up in a court of law, been thrown out because it is not legally binding. It only ever applied to those people who were alive at the time of its writing and were asked if they chose to live by it. Do you know why government exists? What is its purpose?

Even the foundation upon which the United States is based is a farce, but people still believe they have standing based on it.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by TtC

I bet very, few if any, of you actually know that the the Constitution is not a legally binding contract and has, when brought up in a court of law, been thrown out because it is not legally binding. It only ever applied to those people who were alive at the time of its writing and were asked if they chose to live by it. Do you know why government exists? What is its purpose?

Even the foundation upon which the United States is based is a farce, but people still believe they have standing based on it.

Please elaborate on this. Can you give an example of a court case? And what do you mean the foundation is a farce? How so? Do you remember where you got these ideas from? A book, or article, or something?

[Seashore]

On another thread I read the phrase the "masonic constitution," and because I've seen discussions about the founding fathers being mostly masons, I googled this to see what I could find.

I found a website that lists the signers of the Constitution and whether or not they were Freemasons. I see that James Madison, considered the father of the Constitution, is listed as "no evidence of Masonic membership."

Also of interest is that the site says only 33% of the signers were masons--not the majority as is often alleged.

Here's what the page on the website states:

"Freemasons & the U.S. Constitution

The purpose of this webpage is to present information about Freemasons and the U.S. Constitution. Most of the information comes from a booklet, Masonic Membership of the Signers of the Constitution of the United States, published by the Masonic Service Association, and written by Bro. Ronald E. Heaton. It was originally published in 1962, reprinted in 1986.

Please feel free to contact me with information, suggestions, or corrections about the information on this site. You can contact me by clicking on my name: Paul M. Bessel."

He states in his biography on the site that he is a Freemason and lists his Freemason history.

Here's the link:

http://bessel.org/constmas.htm

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

In the video documentary 'Ring of Power' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj0cu...eature=related the following assertion is made: 'The flag of the Washington District of Columbia has three red stars. One for each city state in the empire. This empire rules the world economically through London's "City", militarily by the District of Columbia, and spiritually by the Vatican. The Constitution for the District of Columbia operates under a tyrannical Roman law known as the lex fori and has no similarities to the U.S. Constitution'. http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php...308-000266.htm

Did you insert the link to the newslog to show that the "Constitution" for the District of Columbia alleged in the video is actually the Act of 1871? Because I see no reference to a Constitution for the District of Columbia in the newslog post. And this is important. Let's leave the corporation status out of the discussion for the present. I'm interested in the allegation of a separate Constitution for the District of Columbia that bears no resemblance to the US Constitution...

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by seashore

Did you insert the link to the newslog to show that the "Constitution" for the District of Columbia alleged in the video is actually the Act of 1871? Because I see no reference to a Constitution for the District of Columbia in the newslog post. And this is important. Let's leave the corporation status out of the discussion for the present. I'm interested in the allegation of a separate Constitution for the District of Columbia that bears no resemblance to the US Constitution...

No...the link was present in the material which I copied and pasted: http://www.lanksamling.se/blogg/eng3kronstater.html No quotation marks were originally present...and I did not realize that it was a quote from 'Ring of Power' until you inquired about it. Your desire to not discuss the corporation status issue is understandable. I feel no particular need to examine this potentially important issue presently. Regarding a constitution for the District of Columbia...this could be a misstatement by 'Ring of Power'. It may have been an inference that the U.S. Constitution could be vetoed by Lex Fori...which might imply that a U.S. President could be ordered to act in an unconstitutional manner by an individual, court, or organization outside of Washington D.C...or even outside of the United States. This, of course, is merely conjecture...and the subject is in need of further study. The only reference I could locate regarding a Washington D.C. constitution was in a chronology which I found on narpac.org http://www.narpac.org/ITXDCHIS.HTM :

November 4, 1980: District electors approve the District of Columbia Statehood Constitutional Convention of 1979, which became D.C. Law 3-171 and which called for convening a state constitutional convention.

November 2, 1982: After the constitutional convention, a Constitution for the State of New Columbia is ratified by District voters.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

The only reference I could locate regarding a Washington D.C. constitution was in a chronology which I found on narpac.org http://www.narpac.org/ITXDCHIS.HTM :

November 4, 1980: District electors approve the District of Columbia Statehood Constitutional Convention of 1979, which became D.C. Law 3-171 and which called for convening a state constitutional convention.

November 2, 1982: After the constitutional convention, a Constitution for the State of New Columbia is ratified by District voters.

This is a record of the effort to make DC a state...

I wonder whether we can find the text of the "District of Columbia Act of 1871"...

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Here is a link which may make your hair stand on end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj0cu...eature=related...

Originally Posted by seashore

Okay. I just finished watching. I took four pages of notes...The District of Columbia...has its own Constitution??

This video is part of the documentary Ring of Power; Empire of the City by Amenstop Productions. I was so impressed with it that I purchased the DVD set for any additional features it might include, etc. On the DVD box was an URL for a website associated with Amenstop Productions, www.helpfreetheearth.com.

From the website I got the name of the producer, Grace Powers, and her email address.

I emailed her asking her the source for the assertion that the District of Columbia has its own Constitution.

Her response was to read The Empire of the City by E. C. Knuth. Well, I purchased the book, and I've just finished perusing the table of contents and the index, and scanning the pages about the Constitution of the United States, but I can't find one word about a Constitution for the District of Columbia...

Does anyone have any info on this?

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by seashore

...I emailed her asking her the source for the assertion that the District of Columbia has its own Constitution.

Her response was to read The Empire of the City by E. C. Knuth. Well, I purchased the book, and I've just finished perusing the table of contents and the index, and scanning the pages about the Constitution of the United States, but I can't find one word about a Constitution for the District of Columbia...

Does anyone have any info on this?

This post must show where the assertion originates from:

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

The only reference I could locate regarding a Washington D.C. constitution was in a chronology which I found on narpac.org http://www.narpac.org/ITXDCHIS.HTM :

November 4, 1980: District electors approve the District of Columbia Statehood Constitutional Convention of 1979, which became D.C. Law 3-171 and which called for convening a state constitutional convention.

November 2, 1982: After the constitutional convention, a Constitution for the State of New Columbia is ratified by District voters.

And there's this:

"...In 1982 elected delegates to a District of Columbia statehood convention drafted a constitution for the proposed State of New Columbia. The petition for statehood was approved by voters within the District and sent to Congress. But in 1993 Congress voted on and rejected District statehood by 63 votes (277 against, 153 for, and four not voting)..."

Here's the link:

http://www.city-data.com/states/Dist...overnment.html

The Ring of Power video states the year 1982 as the year the "city-state" of the District of Columbia was officially created. But how can it be so if in 1993 Congress voted against District statehood and its associated Constitution?

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by seashore

But how can it be so if in 1993 Congress voted against District statehood and its associated Constitution?

I emailed Grace Powers about this as well.

Her response was to refer me to this website:

http://www.lanksamling.se/blogg/eng3kronstater.html

Here is the "About Me" info for this blog:



Im Carl Grinde and I made this blog. Im an artist from sweden, into photography and I also do other things.
For the moment a little unemployed but im selling a few photos now and then.
Besides this site I've also made:
http://www.flowchannel.com searh engine for music
http://www.hafwero.se My photos
http://www.lanksamling.se art, photo, food, garden etc. Useful stuff.
Every one must fight against the new dictatorship-world order in their own way. They uses the economic crisis to strengthen their global power. Read also about HAARP. The official presentation that it is to study the weather is a lie. They do something else. HAARP is their ulitimate weapon of mass destruction. Soon we will be told how we have to come together to solve all the **** crises Illuminati deliberately created. Global Governmental platforms are slowly being formed within the UN. Soon we have global taxation. A chip in your hand to keep track of potential terrorists. It is sick.

Contact me at carlgrinde@live.se
If you don´t get a personal response on your e-mail, it probably never reached me.

Peace
/Carl

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by seashore

And I'm praying that the military and the police are reading this forum. I hope they will come through for us, rather than for the powers that be...

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