Is Vegan/Vegetarian an Illuminati Deception?

[Karen]

Examples of metabolic typing, but first look out for disinfo angents.


Excerpt from: http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=500765&s=1#i1 The man who started the Metabolic Typing Diet was Dr. Kelley when he needed to cure his own pancreatic cancer, not Dr. Wolcott or any other person who infiltrated the Kelley program (sponsered by the pharmaceutical industry) ... In figuring out the metabolic nuances needed to treat and reverse his cancer, Kelley was able to come up with a protocol which enabled him to help many people cure their cancers too. The cancer/pharmaceutical industry caught wind of what he did and gave him a really rough ride(tehre's a suprise). In the end they couldn't stop him so what they did is a warning to everyone in this forum. They had several people infiltrate his organization, then start up their "new improved" systems which according to Kelley, were designed not to work. It was a way to use marketing and disinformation to cloud Kelley's successful work and results with a new improved method that WILL NOT WORK. Classic disinfo propoganda measures. According to Kelley, William Wolcott is the main disinfo person who is now author of the best selling Metabolic Typing Diet

http://www.drkelley.info/articles/ar...artid=320Recap of The Twelve Types of Metabolism ~

~ Vegetarian Types ~
Type 1 - Needs no animal products at all. Can live entirely on fruits, vegetables and nuts.
Type 4 - Needs some animal products such as fish, chicken, eggs and unpasteurized goat cheese several times a week.
Type 6 - Combination of Types 1 and 4, but has horrible metabolism. Needs more food to make up for lack of absorption.
Type 11 - Most efficient sympathetic metabolizers. They need little food and prefer fruits and sugars to other foods.
~ Carnivore Types ~
Type 2 - Needs meat up to 14 ounces a day, preferably beef. Has little or no energy unless they eat meat.
Type 5 - Needs meat to feel good, but less often, perhaps 2-3 times a week.
Type 7 - A cross between Types 2 and 5 but with a horrible metabolism.
Type 12 - A supper efficient metabolizer Happy, cheery.
~ Balanced Types ~
Type 3 - Has horrible metabolism. Only absorbs 15% of what he or she eats. Feels so bad that they often wish they were dead.
Type 8 - Normal balanced metabolism. - Can eat and benefit from all foods, provided they are wholesome.
Type 9 - Needs 70% cooked food in diet. Hates raw food.
Type 10 - Super-efficient metabolizer. Needs very little food and sleep, yet feels terrific
~ Metabolic Type Spiral ~
This is what we call the Metabolic Type Spiral. It shows all 12 metabolic types and their relationship to each other, their sympathetic or their parasympathetic dominance and their metabolic efficiency.


For more detail on each type/Keep reading: http://www.drkelley.info/articles/archive.php?artid=320 Copied here is one example.



~ MetabolicType Nine ~
Type Nine metabolizers are in the balanced class - their sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems work equally well. This type is the most difficult to understand. If these people had a choice, they would always prefer cooked food. Working with these people through the years has led to the conclusion that they truly cannot do well on raw foods. Evidently they have mutated to the point that they need cooked food to be satisfied. They generally require 70% cooked food and can comfortably handle 30% raw food. Type nine metabolizers do best when they can eat at Smorgasbord three or four times a week. In other words, if they eat a little of everything, they function best.

[Phtha]

I don't understand though. There is nothing in animals that we can't get from fruits, veggies, grains, 'pure' milk, and so on. Or is there? I've not been able to find one thing, aside from protein lies.. I used to eat meat, just like I used to believe Bin Laden took down the towers. But then I learned truth, and that is simply our anatomy. We are not designed to eat meat. There is no denying this. It causes disease in so many ways.

There are to many factors when it comes to eating that I don't believe its possible to do this huge studies. Maybe those that are sick when becoming a veggie have toxic water, or maybe the air, or maybe the building the live in has air born abominations. MAybe they have emf poisoning, or to much pollution intake in the Cities, chemtrails. Maybe they do not exercise enough..So many factors. Our anatomy is key. That and not having to take life to eat.
Most flesh eaters don't think much about that though as the animals are tortured and killed elsewhere.

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Phtha

I don't understand though. There is nothing in animals that we can't get from fruits, veggies, grains, 'pure' milk, and so on. Or is there? I've not been able to find one thing, aside from protein lies.. I used to eat meat, just like I used to believe Bin Laden took down the towers. But then I learned truth, and that is simply our anatomy. We are not designed to eat meat. There is no denying this. It causes disease in so many ways.

There are to many factors when it comes to eating that I don't believe its possible to do this huge studies. Maybe those that are sick when becoming a veggie have toxic water, or maybe the air, or maybe the building the live in has air born abominations. So many factors. Our anatomy is key. That and not having to take life to eat.
Most flesh eaters don't think much about that though as the animals are tortured and killed elsewhere.

I started the research because I didn't like the thought of having to kill animals to live healthy. I'm 57 yrs old and its been a long journey through the vegetarian thing and out again. Unfortunately, that's the way the earth is set up. Life lives off other life. I think that's just gross, but came to understand attitude, respect and being thankful are a factor. Read "The Secret Life of Plants". They have feelings and consciousness. I advocate for cleaning up the way we raise our food animals. Is a 1,000 acre sea of celery in nice straight rows natural? How many ground animals are chopped up by the plows? How many worms and bugs killed by the chemicals?

Yes, I can give you some information on what's missing. I can show you at least 10 cultures where meat, or milk or fish are a very important part of the diet and the people are/were (before they were encroached up by "foods of commerce) almost 100% healthy, lived to an old age, had almost zero cavities, mental illness and crime. They have/had no need for police - until they started eating the canned, refined, and devitalized foods of commerce.Then they got everything physical, mental and social that Americans are suffering from today, including crime. If they went back to their traditional diet they got well. When a culture lived off the land and the nearby waters they had perfect health. The more vegetarian the culture, the less healthy. Those in the African dessert, the Eskimos in the north, and the Swiss in the high alps had very little vegetation to consume, and were absolutely robust!

This is the work of Weston A Price, a dentist, who did a huge study in the 1930's traveling to places people were said to be vibrantly healthy, because he was wondering why all of sudden people had so many dental cavities and so many children with crooked and crowed teeth. His entire book documenting that with pictures in online for free. I just have to go find it.

Animal fat is highly prized by these traditional people and when asked why they said, because it makes perfect babies. The young married couples were given all the best fats for a full year before they conceived and while the mother was breast-feeding. The fat-soluble vitamins such as A are not available in high enough amounts in vegetation. Beta-carotene, such as in carrots is not vitamin A and it takes 5 beta-carotenes to make the conversion.

People on vegan diets are usually recommended to take vit B12 supplements. That was the turning point for me. I wanted vegan to be the way for everyone. But I don't see any trees out there sprouting bottles of B12 and the B12 in spirulina etc. are analogues and not true vitamin B12 and compete with true B12.

You will find lots of answers here on the Price website and maybe later I can look up some more info.
http://www.westonaprice.org/tour/vegtourindex.html
Website Tour for Vegetarians

Vegetarians, especially vegans, are often dismayed at The Weston A. Price Foundation's emphasis on animal foods as essential for health. This website tour will give you an overview of our position in light of the scientific evidence that humans need animal foods, particularly animal fats, for optimum health.

The Foundation supports raising animals on pasture as much of the year as possible, and opposes confinement operations, feedlots, debeaking, growth hormones, routine antibiotics in feed, inappropriate feed such as soy, and other practices that harm animals' health and well-being, harm the environment, and result in animal foods that are not optimally nutritious for humans.

The Foundation believes that strict vegetarianism (veganism) is detrimental to human health. Vegetarianism that includes eggs and raw (unpasteurized) dairy products, organic vegetables and fruits, properly prepared whole grains, legumes, and nuts, and excludes unfermented soy products and processed foods, can be a healthy option for some people. However, some people have difficulty assimilating vitamins, minerals, protein, and other factors from plant foods. These individuals may need a higher proportion of nutrients from animal foods to achieve optimum health.

[Anchor]

Vegetarians who bitch and preach about meat eaters need to learn about the law of allowance and freewill.

Any divisive issue is a chink in the armour for the dark forces to strike through. Its is no surprise they would try it.

A.. (vegetarian by the way)

[Metaphor]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Vegetarians who bitch and preach about meat eaters need to learn about the law of allowance and freewill.

Any divisive issue is a chink in the armour for the dark forces to strike through. Its is no surprise they would try it.

A.. (vegetarian by the way)

We better stay polite!
Vegetarian/ meatetingthreads usally go totally berzerk.







cheers

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Metaphor

We better stay polite!
Vegetarian/ meatetingthreads usally go totally berzerk.

I've seen a lot of compliments about this forum being a nice place now with high quality thoughtful people.

I thought a good test of that would be to see how this thread goes, if people can give information for both sides of the argument without going berzerko.

[Carmen]

Yes I agree Karen. Although what I have written may not indicate a willingness to look into both sides of this discussion I have read widely and agree with most of what is written about the merits of eating vegetarian. I did not feel as though the knowledge was complete and I am really enjoying hearing other opinions and experiences. I often comment to my friends that if people saw or had to kill the animals that they eat, they would most likely be vegetarian!! I live on a farm and I am closer to the experiences of killing animals for food. This does not make it any easier, but I do not consider myself to be a bad person for eating meat.

I love the idea of establishing a 'Forest Garden" and many of the trees I plant on my land are food producing. Permaculture systems are to me the future ideal for living. I think in time people will live close to nature and animals will not be eaten, but this transition will be a gradual one.

Cheers

Carmen

[Carmen]

Thank you for all your information here Karen. The whole subject of diet, vegetarianism and meat eating has interested me for a long time and I have had difficulty with what is the ideal diet. At 59 I have found that the basic diet that Weston Price discovered as the healthiest, suits me very well. As I said before in another post, it is an individual choice and bodies differ widely in nutritional requirements.

A diet is only as good as the attitude of the person using any diet. To me a died-in-the-wool vegetarian who has turned vegetarianism into a sort of 'religion' that everyone should be following with all the accompaning dogma, is not particularly healthy. Live and let live I say. Peoples freedom of choice to me is sacresanct. Wisdom through knowledge is the key.

Cheers

Carmen

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Phtha

I don't understand though. There is nothing in animals that we can't get from fruits, veggies, grains, 'pure' milk, and so on. Or is there?

Milk is not part of a strict vegan diet. I once had a vegan that was very fragile emotionally go over the top about the thought of sucking milk from a cow teat.

I've not been able to find one thing, aside from protein lies.. I used to eat meat, just like I used to believe Bin Laden took down the towers. But then I learned truth, and that is simply our anatomy. We are not designed to eat meat. There is no denying this. It causes disease in so many ways.

I think the "humans are herbivores" "proof" is in error. Dr. Weston A. Price did a huge study of real people in isolated parts of the world and proved that humans need the fat from animal sources. One African tribe was exceptionally healthy with zero vegetable matter and only ate meat, milk and blood. They were a bit out of balance, very tall, for the lack of the plant food. More vegetarian neighbors were much less healthy. The real problem in poor human health is excess sugar, carbohydrates, and starch. Indians eating mainly corn, beans and squash were very fat and very unhealthy.

http://www.westonaprice.org/tour/vegtourindex.html
click on 3. Ancient Wisdom

Excerpt:
Price took samples of native foods home with him to Cleveland and studied them in his laboratory. He found that these diets contained at least four times the minerals and water soluble vitamins--vitamin C and B complex--as the American diet of his day. Price would undoubtedly find a greater discrepancy in the 1990s due to continual depletion of our soils through industrial farming practices. What's more, among traditional populations, grains and tubers were prepared in ways that increased vitamin content and made minerals more available--soaking, fermenting, sprouting and sour leavening.

It was when Price analyzed the fat soluble vitamins that he got a real surprise. The diets of healthy native groups contained at least ten times more vitamin A and vitamin D than the American diet of his day! These vitamins are found only in animal fats--butter, lard, egg yolks, fish oils and foods with fat-rich cellular membranes like liver and other organ meats, fish eggs and shell fish.

Price referred to the fat soluble vitamins as "catalysts" or "activators" upon which the assimilation of all the other nutrients depended--protein, minerals and vitamins. In other words, without the dietary factors found in animal fats, all the other nutrients largely go to waste.

Price also discovered another fat soluble vitamin that was a more powerful catalyst for nutrient absorption than vitamins A and D. He called it "Activator X" (now believed to be vitamin K2). All the healthy groups Price studied had the X Factor in their diets. It could be found in certain special foods which these people considered sacred--cod liver oil, fish eggs, organ meats and the deep yellow Spring and Fall butter from cows eating rapidly growing green grass. When the snows melted and the cows could go up to the rich pastures above their village, the Swiss placed a bowl of such butter on the church altar and lit a wick in it. The Masai set fire to yellow fields so that new grass could grow for their cows. Hunter-gatherers always ate the organ meats of the game they killed--often raw. Liver was held to be sacred by many African tribes. The Eskimos and many Indian tribes put a very high value on fish eggs.

The therapeutic value of foods rich in the X Factor was recognized during the years before the second World War. Price found that the action of "high vitamin" Spring and Fall butter was nothing short of magical, especially when small doses of cod liver oil were also part of the diet. He used the combination of high vitamin butter and cod liver oil with great success to treat osteoporosis, tooth decay, arthritis, rickets and failure to thrive in children.

Other researchers used such foods very successfully for the treatment of respiratory diseases such as TB, asthma, allergies and emphysema. One of these was Francis Pottenger whose sanitorium in Monrovia, California served liberal amounts of liver, butter, cream and eggs to convalescing patients. He also gave supplements of adrenal cortex to treat exhaustion.

Dr. Price consistently found that healthy "primitives", whose diets contained adequate nutrients from animal protein and fat, had a cheerful, positive attitude to life. He noted that most prison and asylum inmates have facial deformities indicative of pre-natal nutritional deficiencies.
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The whole article is a very good read.

[Phtha]

All of the studies have good information to pick out. But the problem with any study is that the ones conducting them are more often then not trying to prove a point.
I can paste lots of studies that would disagree with the "we must eat meat" studies. And then someone could post studies that disagree with the studies that I just posted, and so on, probably forever in today's information age. 6969696

So putting all studies aside, I still say our anatomy is designed like that a herbivore.
They say some vitamins can only be found in meat. I bet that anything that can be found in meat, can be found in plants. We are so limited in the amount of plants we eat in today's diets that who knows what we could be missing. I have recently been juicing white pine needles. I tell you a tree has a certain energy that I never felt before.

What are vitamins really anyways? Can they even be seen under a microscope? What I know vitamins really are, is different wave vibrations, energy, like everything else. Maybe this is how scientists measure food to see what so called vitamins they contain, by measuring wave pattern?. I dunno, I just know that modern science has way over complicated everything.

I'm still convinced that anyone could live a long healthy life without the need for consuming flesh.

[Karen]

http://www.westonaprice.org/tour/vegtourindex.html

Myth #11: The human body is not designed for meat consumption.

Some vegetarian groups claim that since humans possess grinding teeth like herbivorous animals and longer intestines than carnivorous animals, this proves the human body is better suited for vegetarianism (122). This argument fails to note several human physiological features which clearly indicate a design for animal product consumption.

First and foremost is our stomach's production of hydrochloric acid, something not found in herbivores. HCL activates protein-splitting enzymes. Further, the human pancreas manufactures a full range of digestive enzymes to handle a wide variety of foods, both animal and vegetable. Further, Dr. Walter Voegtlin's in-depth comparison of the human digestive system with that of the dog, a carnivore, and a sheep, a herbivore, clearly shows that we are closer in anatomy to the carnivorous dog than the herbivorous sheep. (123)

While humans may have longer intestines than animal carnivores, they are not as long as herbivores; nor do we possess multiple stomachs like many herbivores, nor do we chew cud. Our physiology definitely indicates a mixed feeder, or an omnivore, much the same as our relatives, the mountain gorilla and chimpanzee who all have been observed eating small animals and, in some cases, other primates (124).

[Phtha]

Well I have read books and I am sure I can find studies that would disagree with Weston on those facts. I personally don't believe him.

I thought this was funny.


I recently picked me up some silkie chickens, the lady who I bought them raises all sorts of heritage breeds, she often shows them to schools and such. She was telling how many kids were absolutely shocked that eggs came from chickens. They thought eggs came from the grocery store.

[Metaphor]

Originally Posted by Karen

Examples of metabolic typing, but first look out for disinfo angents.


Excerpt from: http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=500765&s=1#i1 The man who started the Metabolic Typing Diet was Dr. Kelley when he needed to cure his own pancreatic cancer, not Dr. Wolcott or any other person who infiltrated the Kelley program (sponsered by the pharmaceutical industry) ... In figuring out the metabolic nuances needed to treat and reverse his cancer, Kelley was able to come up with a protocol which enabled him to help many people cure their cancers too. The cancer/pharmaceutical industry caught wind of what he did and gave him a really rough ride(tehre's a suprise). In the end they couldn't stop him so what they did is a warning to everyone in this forum. They had several people infiltrate his organization, then start up their "new improved" systems which according to Kelley, were designed not to work. It was a way to use marketing and disinformation to cloud Kelley's successful work and results with a new improved method that WILL NOT WORK. Classic disinfo propoganda measures. According to Kelley, William Wolcott is the main disinfo person who is now author of the best selling Metabolic Typing Diet

http://www.drkelley.info/articles/ar...artid=320Recap of The Twelve Types of Metabolism ~

~ Vegetarian Types ~
Type 1 - Needs no animal products at all. Can live entirely on fruits, vegetables and nuts.
Type 4 - Needs some animal products such as fish, chicken, eggs and unpasteurized goat cheese several times a week.
Type 6 - Combination of Types 1 and 4, but has horrible metabolism. Needs more food to make up for lack of absorption.
Type 11 - Most efficient sympathetic metabolizers. They need little food and prefer fruits and sugars to other foods.
~ Carnivore Types ~
Type 2 - Needs meat up to 14 ounces a day, preferably beef. Has little or no energy unless they eat meat.
Type 5 - Needs meat to feel good, but less often, perhaps 2-3 times a week.
Type 7 - A cross between Types 2 and 5 but with a horrible metabolism.
Type 12 - A supper efficient metabolizer Happy, cheery.
~ Balanced Types ~
Type 3 - Has horrible metabolism. Only absorbs 15% of what he or she eats. Feels so bad that they often wish they were dead.
Type 8 - Normal balanced metabolism. - Can eat and benefit from all foods, provided they are wholesome.
Type 9 - Needs 70% cooked food in diet. Hates raw food.
Type 10 - Super-efficient metabolizer. Needs very little food and sleep, yet feels terrific
~ Metabolic Type Spiral ~
This is what we call the Metabolic Type Spiral. It shows all 12 metabolic types and their relationship to each other, their sympathetic or their parasympathetic dominance and their metabolic efficiency.


For more detail on each type/Keep reading: http://www.drkelley.info/articles/archive.php?artid=320 Copied here is one example.



~ MetabolicType Nine ~
Type Nine metabolizers are in the balanced class - their sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems work equally well. This type is the most difficult to understand. If these people had a choice, they would always prefer cooked food. Working with these people through the years has led to the conclusion that they truly cannot do well on raw foods. Evidently they have mutated to the point that they need cooked food to be satisfied. They generally require 70% cooked food and can comfortably handle 30% raw food. Type nine metabolizers do best when they can eat at Smorgasbord three or four times a week. In other words, if they eat a little of everything, they function best.

Thanks, interesting stuff. I´ll look into it. I guess i´m a type 4 with a splash of 9 then?