OBIWAN Creative help.

Malletzky · 06-02-2009, 12:06 PM

The idea of putting as much as possible of knowledge on one single site is great. Videos, Books, stories, dreams, experiences...all is wellcomed.

Nevertheless, I would also like to express my concerns that you should really try to avoid presenting this material in any hierarchical order.

Who decides what's the apropriate level of any person? Please don't make that mistake to assume. What's a beginner? Who's advanced? How advanced? Who knows what's the best for me? Or for you? Who decides which material is apropriate for a certain level?

For example: there's an absolute beginner, a "sleeper", or a highly tallented lightworker out there who's abilities are enormous, but unrevealed. He sees the presented material and "decides" that he should go directly to the top level. He reads the first pages of any book, or sees the first minutes of any video and then, suddenly, it makes "BANG" in his/her head...he/she gets a "completelly" download, he/she understand it all, all hidden thruts, all that is, all is revealed!!

Now, imagine that he didn't followed his/her own inner guidance, but he accepted some others opinion where to start. That would be an enormous waste of time in order to climbe the hierarchical levels and "learn" step by step...

IMO, Each individual should try to tune in to his/her own inner guidance in order to move forward. Only if guided from your own heart you'll find the apropriate material for you in any moment of your awakening path.

Please don't get me worng, I don't want to offend anyone, I'm just presenting my subjective input, my own point of view how the things should be organised.

with

malletzky

MastaYoda · 06-02-2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malletzky

Who decides what's the apropriate level of any person? Please don't make that mistake to assume. What's a beginner? Who's advanced? How advanced? Who knows what's the best for me? Or for you? Who decides which material is apropriate for a certain level?

with

malletzky

I totally agree. This is where I kind of got stock

, in trying to decide the appropriate level idea. But after reading your post my creative thinking mind just went "BAAM" and the Idea came to my head.

So, instead of creating a level based method why not just create a circle "Circle of Enlightenment”. The circle will consists of points around it, such as a level but will not contain the hierarchies such as Levels, 1,2,3… and so on. It will work more like Groups. Each dot will represent a group. Each group will have its categories. Woooow, I’m totally loving this idea.

With this "Circle of Enlighten” the user can decide where he or she would like to learn from based on their experience. With no one group being first then the other.

Malletzky · 06-02-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MastaYoda

So, instead of creating a level based method why not just create a circle "Circle of Enlightenment”. The circle will consists of points around it, such as a level but will not contain the hierarchies such as Levels, 1,2,3… and so on. It will work more like Groups. Each dot will represent a group. Each group will have its categories. Woooow, I’m totally loving this idea.

With this "Circle of Enlighten” the user can decide where he or she would like to learn from based on their experience. With no one group being first then the other.

I just got an idea: how about creating a pyramide-like 3D shape, where each dots are connected to each other. So the participants could choose where to start, where to go, without any restrictions of desired movements and without getting the feeling of being stocked somewhere on any hierarchical levels?

Just an idea

with

malletzky

Myplanet2 · 06-02-2009, 09:46 PM

I think the thing to keep in mind on this project is that there are profound changes taking place right now, which are essentially rewriting how reality unfolds.

The two things we've been very used to, which are now getting a big shake up, are that we've been immersed in a reality which is based on duality or polarity, and it's been unfolding on a linear timeline, in a physically solid universe.

I'm sure we've all heard the terms "multi dimensional" and "non-linear" by now. What do these things mean? How do they relate to our "current" reality?

It's a real challenge still, to function multi dimensionally, while our linear 3-D world is still so solid and "there". But every day sees the weakening of our linear game, and a strengthening of our multi dimensional existence.

This will sound like complete nonsense if you are not yet experiencing it, and if you are, you know exactly what I'm talking about. When you start to see how this shift is taking place, and what the differences are, you can start to draw lines to otherwise inexplicable phenomena.

When waking up to our multi dimensional nature, it doesn't happen on any sort of linear time table, or in steps, or levels.

Every persons process will be different. Our higher selves are totally multi dimensional in character. So it's "now" can be any "when", past, present or future. I recently woke up one morning with a new "past". If you live in a linear stream, this is not possible. Past is past, and that's it. Well, no, it isn't. I've also got a short span of reversed time I carry around now. It's like a little multi dimensional bubble I'm in, approximately...now. I'm doing my best to describe some of these things, but words born in linear reality, don't adequately suffice in our new world.

How all of this plays into the project under discussion, is this awakening is not happening along any linear lines. It's happening as a shift from linear into multi dimensional existence. There are no levels. There is no 'next'. There is a smorgasbord of everything all at once, and our higher selves drop the little tidbits we next need directly into our paths in the form of all those amazing synchronicities we are all experiencing.

One thing I've noticed, is that in any areas where multi dimensionality is opening up, linear thinking, which is the speciality of our mundane minds, begin to feel very restrictive and even distasteful.

You may for example, think that organizing is necessary and desirable. Organizing is a linear reality inhabitant. The need to lay out steps of ever increasing depth or complexity falls into this same box.

I believe that those well on their way into this migration from 3rd to 4th and beyond will be, and actually are, no longer drawn to opportunities to play in the linear, where there is any choice in the matter.

This is actually our ace in the hole where the PTB are concerned. They are trying to herd us along these various paths, and we keep wandering off wherever we choose. Their control is breaking down for this very reason, and will continue to do so on an exponential curve. Every linear day shows control slipping away from their grasp, because the awakening multitudes are just choosing to do other more interesting things.

So, I'm not trying to rain on anybodies parade here, or to blunt anyones enthusiasm, but I don't want to see anyone set themselves up for a loss, either.

I don't see many people participating in this game. I could be wrong, and don't mind being wrong, but I think a structure of any sort for this ascension into higher realms, is just not possible. The chances of anyone setting up a structure which just happened to right for any other person, are astromonical.

We've got guidance which we can tap for cues and clues we need in order to be when and where our next Aha moment is available.

It's why this whole ground crew idea never got off the ground. It's attempting to organize within a linear framework, when that is exactly what we are graduating from.

Just look at all the completely impossible "accidental" discoveries you just happened to be in the right place at the right time in order to make.

That's how this is going down, and on a non-linear level, we all know that, and simply won't involve ourselves in organized, structured environments because they won't work as intended.

Several of us members here on Avalon, volunteered to create a library which contains everything we could find that we thought might be useful to have on hand if TSHTF, and the internet were to go down. It was a very "ground crew" oriented endeavour. We worked for months on it, and when we opened it to the membership, only a handful seemed to really find it to be of immediate use and necessity. By now, lots of members have downloaded lots of stuff from the library, so it wasn't a wasted effort, but I've certainly learned the lesson about trying to organize something like this thinking it's what will be needed and wanted by a group of beings making the shift from linear to non-linear reality.

Multi dimensional reality doesn't conform to linear logic of one thing following another, etc. It's a creative reality, of manifestation of thought, of energetically vibrating something into being. There is no past and future. Only now, with an unlimited number of variations of that now. And we simply shift around as need be.

What I think will be useful, is for Avalon to carry on as it's developed. A meeting place, where those waking up can drop a link to something they found useful, and then leave it for others to find, or not. A lot of us were drawn here, and it's one of the best places for people like us, who are on the leading edge of the changes, to compare notes and share discoveries, and give and receive support. Members come and stay as long as it's useful to do so, and then move on. Avalon reaches out of linear reality and into multi dimensional reality, and many people can find much here which will be useful to them.

But I don't think the process can be organized beyond what it already is. Many have opened projects and tried to gain support for them. It's almost proven to be impossible. Several ended up discouraged or even disgusted that so few would want to participate in their games.

Creative people don't need others to create games for them to play. They create their lives in a marvelous now, which happens to bend miraculously to their wants and desires. We create our own learning experiences and opportunities. We're all peeling ourselves off of linear time and space by whatever process suits us best.

I know this got pretty long, but I wanted to explain my observations on how organizing these types of group activities, may be nearly a thing of the "past".

And I hope this makes some sense. It does to me, but round words don't describe square concepts too well.

MastaYoda · 06-03-2009, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Myplanet2

I'm sure we've all heard the terms "multi dimensional" and "non-linear" by now. What do these things mean? How do they relate to our "current" reality?

It's a real challenge still, to function multi dimensionally, while our linear 3-D world is still so solid and "there". But every day sees the weakening of our linear game, and a strengthening of our multi dimensional existence.

This will sound like complete nonsense if you are not yet experiencing it, and if you are, you know exactly what I'm talking about. When you start to see how this shift is taking place, and what the differences are, you can start to draw lines to otherwise inexplicable phenomena.

We have to remember that all people are different and some need a "push" or guide to see the light!. Wile other like your self completely understand and don't need any of this. This is more of a tool, whether is linear or non-linear, its a tool for people that are living on a linear way. The best way I can explain this is, We can not help people break-out of this linear way by just telling them how it is. We need to use tools they already understand in such a way that will help them break free.

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Originally Posted by Myplanet2

So, I'm not trying to rain on anybodies parade here, or to blunt anyones enthusiasm, but I don't want to see anyone set themselves up for a loss, either.

You are not raining on anybodies parade or anything. The fact is the Kerry asked for some help from the Avalon members and so that is what we are providing.
As far as setting someone up for a loss, I'm not sure "What loss?" are you talking about. The fact that we are trying to think of more creative ways to help more people out is a loss? We need not to be afraid and work as one. as "fear is to hate, and hate is to hanger and hanger is to betray one self".

If you fear this is a waste of time, we ask of you to not participate. I'm doing what my hart is telling me, and that is to help everyone as much as possible to know the truth at all levels possible. Just like everyone else is helping out in providing info to related subjects of currents events that are happening around the world.

lemon_sky88 · 06-03-2009, 11:49 AM

Exallent form yoda. I just wanted to add too this as well. I think people think that we think we have a magic idea thats gona magically wake people up. This is not our idea. I like how you refer to this as a tool. For example I hoped online and started watching film at vbs.tv and got interested in wordly issues rather than just local issues. For example they goto N. Korea and show u how crazy those guys are. Blah blah blah and so forth. This led me to see what was on you tube reguarding N. Korea I watched a few and then started to explore the snippits that you tube provides as related topics and saw the truth movement for 9.11 which then produced a project camelot clip i watched and then i was hooked. Ive watched most of the interviews and i have an open enough mind to accept the information and take it for what it means to me. This idea came up because we wanted a great easy reference when wanting to tell friends family and any other average sleeping joe about this wonderful experience. Its just an information archive set up in a very clever manor by our bud yoda. Not a hiarchy system or a warrior in training site. well i guess were all warriors in training batel just is not as our human linear minds conceve it to be eh? We need some positive vibes in here keep this coming we need both cudos and oposition to get this right thanks every one for all input! And keep rockin YODA!

Carmen · 06-03-2009, 08:00 PM

I haven't read everything posted here, but I get the gist of what you people are creating, and I like the idea.

A few comments on the issue of heirachy. I think that there are definite 'levels' to spiritual growth and that that to me is a truth. I also like the idea of yoda's of a circle because the levels can be thought of in terms of 'expansion' 'extention' into the next level.

For many years I have tested myself in a spiritual way and have experienced expanding or going into another level. Everything changes, and the new level is different and extends into and includes the other levels (not necessarily 'lower')

I have a few key books that I read and re-read. When I move (or expand) in consciousness I understand at a new level and there is info I'd never noticed before!

Another good example I use to explain moving to a new level is of 'climbing the hill, climbing out of the valley, and looking down on the activities below. Watching the street fighting! But not being part of it. Observing. Images convey so much more than words and are multi-dimensional.

I love all the ideas here, and I myself would enjoy a sort of 'testing' of spirit to see where I was at. As someone else has stated, ones 'inner self' reveals where we are at, but it would be fun to try this sort of thing on the forum

When a person is at a certain level they cannot 'see' the next level at all. They cannot even form the questions that relate to a higher level. Those beings at more expanded levels can 'see' all of the lower levels and none of the ones that they are yet to expand into. Spiritual growth is ongoing and ones "inner Self" knows when the person is ready to move. Nobody gets to go to where they have not passed the 'tests' to go. Forget equality, we only get what we deserve. We have equal "potential" to be or do anything, and advanced beings have always tried to help us in our evolution on this planet.

Keep up the good work guys. I am very interested in what you are proposing.

Love and Light

Carmen

lemon_sky88 · 06-04-2009, 04:01 AM

Cymatic Veilbegone: I Hope ther was no offence taken as to my post. I am just trying to make shur that I come across in a clear manor and am not meaning to come across as blunt.

This project has a momentum which I for one do not want to see lost. I am very optomistic and have great prospect for ideas in general, the more the marier. Anything to express us and be free. Take a fresh breath and enjoy the day.weve gotten a few "this may not be such a good idea" vibes. I just have yet to make sence of why this is not a good idea. So i want to inject my positive input. It seems that theres a few comment reguarding hiarchy and structure and I am simply trying to clear up the fact that yes there is some what of a structure to it but we are dealing with people who have been force fed structure all their lives. we are looking for something marketable and interesting to connect to normal folk. not just avalonians. The goal is to have the average joe, to busy with a job to look at the internet in such a mentally expanding way and introduce them to this topic or information. Please work with us and in-ject ur ideas, we welcome them. If you dont get the concept so well, please work with us to understand and mold with your touch as well. we are receptive Yoda is da man. We are in this together and this is a steping stone. and there are many in a single path and many paths along the way. Im just asking for open minds and positive attitudes to keep this revolution a rollin. Keep injesting what ever, we want to hear it all. energy is energy and let this bolder roll!

Have a ball and keep this up Im lovein u all by the way and couldnt be more proud to be apart of this community.

Cymatic Veilbegone · 06-04-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon_sky88

Cymatic Veilbegone: I Hope ther was no offence taken as to my post. I am just trying to make shur that I come across in a clear manor and am not meaning to come across as blunt.

This project has a momentum which I for one do not want to see lost. I am very optomistic and have great prospect for ideas in general, the more the marier. Anything to express us and be free. Take a fresh breath and enjoy the day.weve gotten a few "this may not be such a good idea" vibes. I just have yet to make sence of why this is not a good idea. So i want to inject my positive input. It seems that theres a few comment reguarding hiarchy and structure and I am simply trying to clear up the fact that yes there is some what of a structure to it but we are dealing with people who have been force fed structure all their lives. we are looking for something marketable and interesting to connect to normal folk. not just avalonians. The goal is to have the average joe, to busy with a job to look at the internet in such a mentally expanding way and introduce them to this topic or information. Please work with us and in-ject ur ideas, we welcome them. If you dont get the concept so well, please work with us to understand and mold with your touch as well. we are receptive Yoda is da man. We are in this together and this is a steping stone. and there are many in a single path and many paths along the way. Im just asking for open minds and positive attitudes to keep this revolution a rollin. Keep injesting what ever, we want to hear it all. energy is energy and let this bolder roll!

Have a ball and keep this up Im lovein u all by the way and couldnt be more proud to be apart of this community.

Absolutely no offense taken. Sounds great! I am excited to see what you come up with, and will be happy to offer more input/help when you have this more sussed out.

Respect, CV

MastaYoda · 06-04-2009, 02:38 PM

SAMPLE 5 x 7 POSTCARD / FLYER

So here is one side of the flyer. I think is the message is pretty clear. don't you agree?

Note: I plan to support a few websites with this Idea. Like Project Avalon, The Zeitgeist Movement, The Show Podcast, Veritas Show.. and a few others.

MastaYoda · 06-04-2009, 04:17 PM

Other Side:

Not sure if this is as clear of a message then the first one. Any Ideas?

lemon_sky88 · 06-04-2009, 04:27 PM

I think this is perfect. Very simple and just braises the curiosity. Just enough to say what the hell is this all about. I also like the idea of doing this for multiple movements. Im totally into the 9/11 truth movement. I love the zeitguiest thing. What ever get people to think is what im lookin for. I really like what youve come up with. Great stuff YODA!

MastaYoda · 06-04-2009, 04:33 PM

If ask what image comes to mind with the word “Massive” that has impacted your life? What do you get?

Malletzky · 06-04-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MastaYoda

If ask what image comes to mind with the word “Massive” that has impacted your life? What do you get?

the sudden massive feeling I got few years ago that we're eternal beings...with the image of white pulsing light, just as my avatar

massive certainity, that nothing is impossible, if we just open our minds..with the image of happy humans just flying around and do nothing but learn, learn learn...learn notning more but the divine lessons.

Myplanet2 · 06-04-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MastaYoda

Other Side:

Not sure if this is as clear of a message then the first one. Any Ideas?

I'm not sure what that means. Are you asking how deep down the rabbit hole they want to go?

MastaYoda · 06-04-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Myplanet2

I'm not sure what that means. Are you asking how deep down the rabbit hole they want to go?

Just as I thought. I'm not sure everyone has seen the movie "The Matrix" so this is hard to under stand.

I think we need to rephrase the question. Something like:

1. "How well do you think you know the truth? Show me | Keep dreaming"
2. "What pill heals you? Prayers | Medicine"
3. "Which side are you on? Toxic | Poison"
4. "What side are you on? AM | PM" (I dig this one!)
5. "New Virus....." awake | sleep"

Well, any more Ideas? or can I get Vote?

MastaYoda · 06-04-2009, 05:52 PM

I got it:

So..?

MastaYoda · 06-05-2009, 03:16 AM

Sample LINK:

http://www.massiveawareness.com/jeditest/
(Note: This is only a DEMO, if you wish to start over, just refresh the page)

1. No Levels, Just categories.(represented by stars)
2. Categories will have Sub-categories that are related. One sample category can include PSI, ESP,..or so. List of sub cat's are shown when you mouse over a cat(star)
3. Ones you select sub-cat(PSI), you will be taken to all the material related to that sub-category.

So, visually their is no level structure. But technically its a 3 step process.

lemon_sky88 · 06-05-2009, 03:40 AM

Very cool, the site layout is just down right crative... im lovin it. The way the info is presented is a little plain tho. It needs to say open me some how and it just dosent do it for me by saying psi... what is psi..Ill have you a subjestion in the mornin when im feeling a bit more creative. I just want to make shur to keep attention. This is blowin me away tho as far as layout. Nice work Yoda.

Carmen · 06-05-2009, 04:10 AM

Please keep the font large enough for us older ones, Ta

Cymatic Veilbegone · 06-05-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MastaYoda

I got it:

So..?

what's an Aganda? Why would I have to be on one? And what does 21 have to do with an Aganda? Do I really have "my own" Aganda? If so, how did I get it?

I'm confused.

MastaYoda · 06-05-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

what's an Aganda? Why would I have to be on one? And what does 21 have to do with an Aganda? Do I really have "my own" Aganda? If so, how did I get it?

I'm confused.

Wooow, sorry. Not sure how I missed that one. Its "Agenda" and not Aganda. I'm sorry. I will get the fix. I'm sure you know about Agenda 21. And sorry for the miss spelling.

Cymatic Veilbegone · 06-05-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MastaYoda

Wooow, sorry. Not sure how I missed that one. Its "Agenda" and not Aganda. I'm sorry. I will get the fix. I'm sure you know about Agenda 21. And sorry for the miss spelling.

No, I'M sorry. I have not heard of Agenda 21 , what is it? Is it like Codex Alimentarius?

MastaYoda · 06-07-2009, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

No, I'M sorry. I have not heard of Agenda 21 , what is it? Is it like Codex Alimentarius?

Agenda 21 is an book / manuel in which US government works by. It list some of the things they wish to do us! Like De-population..and other such things. Here is a link to a forum "Agenda 21"

Cymatic Veilbegone · 06-07-2009, 01:21 PM

Ok I've heard of this before, but didnt remember that it was called Agenda 21. Thanks Yoda, sorry for asking so many questions...all I can say is...

holy crapola.

06-02-2009, 12:06 PM	#1
Malletzky Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: It doesn't matter any more Posts: 534	Re: OBIWAN Creative help. The idea of putting as much as possible of knowledge on one single site is great. Videos, Books, stories, dreams, experiences...all is wellcomed. Nevertheless, I would also like to express my concerns that you should really try to avoid presenting this material in any hierarchical order. Who decides what's the apropriate level of any person? Please don't make that mistake to assume. What's a beginner? Who's advanced? How advanced? Who knows what's the best for me? Or for you? Who decides which material is apropriate for a certain level? For example: there's an absolute beginner, a "sleeper", or a highly tallented lightworker out there who's abilities are enormous, but unrevealed. He sees the presented material and "decides" that he should go directly to the top level. He reads the first pages of any book, or sees the first minutes of any video and then, suddenly, it makes "BANG" in his/her head...he/she gets a "completelly" download, he/she understand it all, all hidden thruts, all that is, all is revealed!! Now, imagine that he didn't followed his/her own inner guidance, but he accepted some others opinion where to start. That would be an enormous waste of time in order to climbe the hierarchical levels and "learn" step by step... IMO, Each individual should try to tune in to his/her own inner guidance in order to move forward. Only if guided from your own heart you'll find the apropriate material for you in any moment of your awakening path. Please don't get me worng, I don't want to offend anyone, I'm just presenting my subjective input, my own point of view how the things should be organised. with malletzky Last edited by Malletzky; 06-02-2009 at 12:09 PM.

06-02-2009, 09:46 PM	#4
Myplanet2 In The Mists Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,133	Re: OBIWAN Creative help. I think the thing to keep in mind on this project is that there are profound changes taking place right now, which are essentially rewriting how reality unfolds. The two things we've been very used to, which are now getting a big shake up, are that we've been immersed in a reality which is based on duality or polarity, and it's been unfolding on a linear timeline, in a physically solid universe. I'm sure we've all heard the terms "multi dimensional" and "non-linear" by now. What do these things mean? How do they relate to our "current" reality? It's a real challenge still, to function multi dimensionally, while our linear 3-D world is still so solid and "there". But every day sees the weakening of our linear game, and a strengthening of our multi dimensional existence. This will sound like complete nonsense if you are not yet experiencing it, and if you are, you know exactly what I'm talking about. When you start to see how this shift is taking place, and what the differences are, you can start to draw lines to otherwise inexplicable phenomena. When waking up to our multi dimensional nature, it doesn't happen on any sort of linear time table, or in steps, or levels. Every persons process will be different. Our higher selves are totally multi dimensional in character. So it's "now" can be any "when", past, present or future. I recently woke up one morning with a new "past". If you live in a linear stream, this is not possible. Past is past, and that's it. Well, no, it isn't. I've also got a short span of reversed time I carry around now. It's like a little multi dimensional bubble I'm in, approximately...now. I'm doing my best to describe some of these things, but words born in linear reality, don't adequately suffice in our new world. How all of this plays into the project under discussion, is this awakening is not happening along any linear lines. It's happening as a shift from linear into multi dimensional existence. There are no levels. There is no 'next'. There is a smorgasbord of everything all at once, and our higher selves drop the little tidbits we next need directly into our paths in the form of all those amazing synchronicities we are all experiencing. One thing I've noticed, is that in any areas where multi dimensionality is opening up, linear thinking, which is the speciality of our mundane minds, begin to feel very restrictive and even distasteful. You may for example, think that organizing is necessary and desirable. Organizing is a linear reality inhabitant. The need to lay out steps of ever increasing depth or complexity falls into this same box. I believe that those well on their way into this migration from 3rd to 4th and beyond will be, and actually are, no longer drawn to opportunities to play in the linear, where there is any choice in the matter. This is actually our ace in the hole where the PTB are concerned. They are trying to herd us along these various paths, and we keep wandering off wherever we choose. Their control is breaking down for this very reason, and will continue to do so on an exponential curve. Every linear day shows control slipping away from their grasp, because the awakening multitudes are just choosing to do other more interesting things. So, I'm not trying to rain on anybodies parade here, or to blunt anyones enthusiasm, but I don't want to see anyone set themselves up for a loss, either. I don't see many people participating in this game. I could be wrong, and don't mind being wrong, but I think a structure of any sort for this ascension into higher realms, is just not possible. The chances of anyone setting up a structure which just happened to right for any other person, are astromonical. We've got guidance which we can tap for cues and clues we need in order to be when and where our next Aha moment is available. It's why this whole ground crew idea never got off the ground. It's attempting to organize within a linear framework, when that is exactly what we are graduating from. Just look at all the completely impossible "accidental" discoveries you just happened to be in the right place at the right time in order to make. That's how this is going down, and on a non-linear level, we all know that, and simply won't involve ourselves in organized, structured environments because they won't work as intended. Several of us members here on Avalon, volunteered to create a library which contains everything we could find that we thought might be useful to have on hand if TSHTF, and the internet were to go down. It was a very "ground crew" oriented endeavour. We worked for months on it, and when we opened it to the membership, only a handful seemed to really find it to be of immediate use and necessity. By now, lots of members have downloaded lots of stuff from the library, so it wasn't a wasted effort, but I've certainly learned the lesson about trying to organize something like this thinking it's what will be needed and wanted by a group of beings making the shift from linear to non-linear reality. Multi dimensional reality doesn't conform to linear logic of one thing following another, etc. It's a creative reality, of manifestation of thought, of energetically vibrating something into being. There is no past and future. Only now, with an unlimited number of variations of that now. And we simply shift around as need be. What I think will be useful, is for Avalon to carry on as it's developed. A meeting place, where those waking up can drop a link to something they found useful, and then leave it for others to find, or not. A lot of us were drawn here, and it's one of the best places for people like us, who are on the leading edge of the changes, to compare notes and share discoveries, and give and receive support. Members come and stay as long as it's useful to do so, and then move on. Avalon reaches out of linear reality and into multi dimensional reality, and many people can find much here which will be useful to them. But I don't think the process can be organized beyond what it already is. Many have opened projects and tried to gain support for them. It's almost proven to be impossible. Several ended up discouraged or even disgusted that so few would want to participate in their games. Creative people don't need others to create games for them to play. They create their lives in a marvelous now, which happens to bend miraculously to their wants and desires. We create our own learning experiences and opportunities. We're all peeling ourselves off of linear time and space by whatever process suits us best. I know this got pretty long, but I wanted to explain my observations on how organizing these types of group activities, may be nearly a thing of the "past". And I hope this makes some sense. It does to me, but round words don't describe square concepts too well. Last edited by Myplanet2; 06-02-2009 at 09:57 PM.

06-03-2009, 11:49 AM	#6
lemon_sky88 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio U.S.A. Posts: 152	Re: OBIWAN Creative help. Exallent form yoda. I just wanted to add too this as well. I think people think that we think we have a magic idea thats gona magically wake people up. This is not our idea. I like how you refer to this as a tool. For example I hoped online and started watching film at vbs.tv and got interested in wordly issues rather than just local issues. For example they goto N. Korea and show u how crazy those guys are. Blah blah blah and so forth. This led me to see what was on you tube reguarding N. Korea I watched a few and then started to explore the snippits that you tube provides as related topics and saw the truth movement for 9.11 which then produced a project camelot clip i watched and then i was hooked. Ive watched most of the interviews and i have an open enough mind to accept the information and take it for what it means to me. This idea came up because we wanted a great easy reference when wanting to tell friends family and any other average sleeping joe about this wonderful experience. Its just an information archive set up in a very clever manor by our bud yoda. Not a hiarchy system or a warrior in training site. well i guess were all warriors in training batel just is not as our human linear minds conceve it to be eh? We need some positive vibes in here keep this coming we need both cudos and oposition to get this right thanks every one for all input! And keep rockin YODA!

06-03-2009, 08:00 PM	#7
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: OBIWAN Creative help. I haven't read everything posted here, but I get the gist of what you people are creating, and I like the idea. A few comments on the issue of heirachy. I think that there are definite 'levels' to spiritual growth and that that to me is a truth. I also like the idea of yoda's of a circle because the levels can be thought of in terms of 'expansion' 'extention' into the next level. For many years I have tested myself in a spiritual way and have experienced expanding or going into another level. Everything changes, and the new level is different and extends into and includes the other levels (not necessarily 'lower') I have a few key books that I read and re-read. When I move (or expand) in consciousness I understand at a new level and there is info I'd never noticed before! Another good example I use to explain moving to a new level is of 'climbing the hill, climbing out of the valley, and looking down on the activities below. Watching the street fighting! But not being part of it. Observing. Images convey so much more than words and are multi-dimensional. I love all the ideas here, and I myself would enjoy a sort of 'testing' of spirit to see where I was at. As someone else has stated, ones 'inner self' reveals where we are at, but it would be fun to try this sort of thing on the forum When a person is at a certain level they cannot 'see' the next level at all. They cannot even form the questions that relate to a higher level. Those beings at more expanded levels can 'see' all of the lower levels and none of the ones that they are yet to expand into. Spiritual growth is ongoing and ones "inner Self" knows when the person is ready to move. Nobody gets to go to where they have not passed the 'tests' to go. Forget equality, we only get what we deserve. We have equal "potential" to be or do anything, and advanced beings have always tried to help us in our evolution on this planet. Keep up the good work guys. I am very interested in what you are proposing. Love and Light Carmen

06-04-2009, 04:01 AM	#8
lemon_sky88 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio U.S.A. Posts: 152	Re: OBIWAN Creative help. Cymatic Veilbegone: I Hope ther was no offence taken as to my post. I am just trying to make shur that I come across in a clear manor and am not meaning to come across as blunt. This project has a momentum which I for one do not want to see lost. I am very optomistic and have great prospect for ideas in general, the more the marier. Anything to express us and be free. Take a fresh breath and enjoy the day.weve gotten a few "this may not be such a good idea" vibes. I just have yet to make sence of why this is not a good idea. So i want to inject my positive input. It seems that theres a few comment reguarding hiarchy and structure and I am simply trying to clear up the fact that yes there is some what of a structure to it but we are dealing with people who have been force fed structure all their lives. we are looking for something marketable and interesting to connect to normal folk. not just avalonians. The goal is to have the average joe, to busy with a job to look at the internet in such a mentally expanding way and introduce them to this topic or information. Please work with us and in-ject ur ideas, we welcome them. If you dont get the concept so well, please work with us to understand and mold with your touch as well. we are receptive Yoda is da man. We are in this together and this is a steping stone. and there are many in a single path and many paths along the way. Im just asking for open minds and positive attitudes to keep this revolution a rollin. Keep injesting what ever, we want to hear it all. energy is energy and let this bolder roll! Have a ball and keep this up Im lovein u all by the way and couldnt be more proud to be apart of this community.

06-04-2009, 02:38 PM	#10
MastaYoda Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Georgia, US Posts: 58	Re: OBIWAN Creative help. SAMPLE 5 x 7 POSTCARD / FLYER So here is one side of the flyer. I think is the message is pretty clear. don't you agree? Note: I plan to support a few websites with this Idea. Like Project Avalon, The Zeitgeist Movement, The Show Podcast, Veritas Show.. and a few others. Last edited by MastaYoda; 06-04-2009 at 02:46 PM.

06-04-2009, 04:17 PM	#11
MastaYoda Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Georgia, US Posts: 58	Re: OBIWAN Creative help. Other Side: Not sure if this is as clear of a message then the first one. Any Ideas?

06-04-2009, 04:27 PM	#12
lemon_sky88 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio U.S.A. Posts: 152	Re: OBIWAN Creative help. I think this is perfect. Very simple and just braises the curiosity. Just enough to say what the hell is this all about. I also like the idea of doing this for multiple movements. Im totally into the 9/11 truth movement. I love the zeitguiest thing. What ever get people to think is what im lookin for. I really like what youve come up with. Great stuff YODA!

06-04-2009, 04:33 PM	#13
MastaYoda Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Georgia, US Posts: 58	Re: OBIWAN Creative help. If ask what image comes to mind with the word “Massive” that has impacted your life? What do you get?

06-04-2009, 05:52 PM	#17
MastaYoda Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Georgia, US Posts: 58	Re: OBIWAN Creative help. I got it: So..?

06-05-2009, 03:16 AM	#18
MastaYoda Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Georgia, US Posts: 58	Re: OBIWAN Creative help. Sample LINK: http://www.massiveawareness.com/jeditest/ (Note: This is only a DEMO, if you wish to start over, just refresh the page) 1. No Levels, Just categories.(represented by stars) 2. Categories will have Sub-categories that are related. One sample category can include PSI, ESP,..or so. List of sub cat's are shown when you mouse over a cat(star) 3. Ones you select sub-cat(PSI), you will be taken to all the material related to that sub-category. So, visually their is no level structure. But technically its a 3 step process.

06-05-2009, 03:40 AM	#19
lemon_sky88 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio U.S.A. Posts: 152	Re: OBIWAN Creative help. Very cool, the site layout is just down right crative... im lovin it. The way the info is presented is a little plain tho. It needs to say open me some how and it just dosent do it for me by saying psi... what is psi..Ill have you a subjestion in the mornin when im feeling a bit more creative. I just want to make shur to keep attention. This is blowin me away tho as far as layout. Nice work Yoda.

06-05-2009, 04:10 AM	#20
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: OBIWAN Creative help. Please keep the font large enough for us older ones, Ta

06-07-2009, 01:21 PM	#25
Cymatic Veilbegone Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 528 HZ, Costa Rica Posts: 227	Re: OBIWAN Creative help. Ok I've heard of this before, but didnt remember that it was called Agenda 21. Thanks Yoda, sorry for asking so many questions...all I can say is... holy crapola.