Manifestation or Pre-cognition?

FIIISH · 10-01-2009, 04:57 AM

I have been debating this with myself for awhile, and I thought
it might be helpful to pose this question to my fellow Avalonians:

How do you tell the difference between apparent manifestation of
thought, and pre-cognition?

I believe I experience both daily, and am puzzled at identifying the
two separately.

Kind of like Chicken or the egg...
Did the thought create the experience, or is the thought merely
a projection of the experience waiting to be had?

Lets assume that you have an experience that you have identified
positively as being intuitive in nature.

A couple examples:

IE: Thinking of a song, and then hearing it later that same day

IE: Thinking that you like a particular car,and you receive an advertisement in the mail about one

Either example could be a result of pre-cognition, or manifestation.

How would you tell the difference?

Christo888 · 10-01-2009, 05:15 AM

I don't know, but very good question... here's a few extras...

I know that when I play the lottery I am not going to win; premonition.

And that when I get my paycheck it's already spent; prediction.

And I'll have to go to work for another week;
prophesy.

And if I work real hard I'll get a raise;
propaganda.

And I know in the end I'll have nothing to show for it;
pre-cognition.

But when I look back I knew it all along;
manifestation!!!!

And now that I know this I'll always be hopeful; brainwashed

Not bad... I have the 7 gifts of the third dimension!!!

FIIISH · 10-01-2009, 05:30 AM

Christo888.

I see you brought your sense of humor with you tonight!

Jacqui D · 10-01-2009, 12:45 PM

This is a hard one Fiiish to define. I have had all those experiences.
The ones i like, is when you get stuck on that last answer of a very difficult crossword, then suddenly the word is given via TV/radio or just hearing someone having a conversation, i just say out loud "thanks for that!"lol!

Steven · 10-01-2009, 01:47 PM

Hello Fiiish. I'm glad you are mentioning this.

If a thought pop up in your head and you see it happen soon after, then there is no doupt it is Pre-cognition.

Why? Because manifested intention needs focus. The creative energy are gathered around a thought when it is focused; a maintained focus with the emotive charge it needs to fuel it. You need to charge your thought with creative energy in order to see it becoming reality.

If you catch a thought of something that will manifest soon after, it is simply because we are transmiter-receiver. Your mind caught the creative energy at work. But it might also not happen at all, because the creative energy is dynamic, it is always in movement, simply because the mass consciousness is always evolving/changing. That is why it happens rarely.

If someone catch a focus in gestation, being collective or individual, being conscious or unconscious, and tells it to others in a prediction form, and the others begging to believe it, to focus on it. Their focus adds to the creative formation of energy and it come closer to being manifested. On the other hand, if enough people focus on an opposite thought including the same elements concerned, than the creative energy answer to these focus and the prediction might not happen or happens but in a different manner.

We have different focus, but use the same creative energy. This is why it adds to the complexity of making predictions.

Hope it helped.

Namaste, Steven

FIIISH · 10-01-2009, 05:10 PM

Quote:

manifested intention needs focus

Steven,

You make a very good point here. It occurred to me after making
the original post that manifestation does ineed require focused intention,
and often repetition to be realized. It would appear that the closer
we are to making the shift, the shorter the time will be between thought and
manifestation.

Still, I think the difference will remain between what appears to
be the realization of a 'future' event, and the manifestation of a fear
or desire.

Christo888 · 10-01-2009, 06:01 PM

Well Fiiish I couldn't have done it without you, seriously!

And a great thread for real... I was pondering the very issues myself the other day!

I spend more time canceling my thoughts than I do manifesting them!

So I began to switch how I think in order to make what I don't want come true!

For instance; I don't want all these bills, and I don't want petty ailments, and I don't want to keep repeating the same day day after day while time passes by.

So after watching "Ghost Busters" and realizing that they had to cross the streams in order to cancel what they don't want while at the same time they had to watch their thoughts in order to create what they do want, and of course ... poof... the 'stay puft marshmallow man' appeared big as life!!

So now I tell myself I don't want an abundance of cash flow, and I don't want to be youthful and totally healthy, and I don't want exciting adventuresome days every day. And I don't want to time travel, or levitate, or shape shift my holographic self into my lightbody.

And now I don't have to spend so much time canceling my 'don't wants' anymore!!!

XXX Cross the streams to get what you don't want!

Seriously!!!

mntruthseeker · 10-01-2009, 06:20 PM

Question for the two of you or anyone else for that matter

So what do we call it when we read it in on the web and asked by others to react on the process ?

H1N1 info or American Military Police in Arden MT ? Do we not talk about it or view it to make it disapear ?

I'm not trying to be smart as I'm confused.

David Icke says stand up for your rights. It seems to me that some people in here will not even discuss certain things. They made read the postings but not contribute one word. This makes me think that I should also ignore the stories.

IMO...............you must know what is happening in order to react one way or another as that will not go away on it's own or will it ?

Christo888 · 10-01-2009, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Question for the two of you or anyone else for that matter

So what do we call it when we read it in on the web and asked by others to react on the process ?

H1N1 info or American Military Police in Arden MT ? Do we not talk about it or view it to make it disapear ?

I'm not trying to be smart as I'm confused.

David Icke says stand up for your rights. It seems to me that some people in here will not even discuss certain things. They made read the postings but not contribute one word. This makes me think that I should also ignore the stories.

IMO...............you must know what is happening in order to react one way or another as that will not go away on it's own or will it ?

Oh MN, you have it down! Absolutely discuss it, inform others of it, and provide solutions to empower the person you are talking with, such as how to start learning the 4 laws as mentioned in the handbooks which can be discussed in many ways as examples.

Point out the scheme's used by tptw to continue a 'victimhood' mentality, and how they want the 'rescuers' to rise up and directly fight them, which is correct in doing. But fighting them directly is effective when those who become aware of the tptw schemes begin to think entirely different and engage in actions of self-empowerment and personal responsibility to move out of the polarity energy, and move into a whole new focus of living, which does not include the world of tptw as controllers; a new paradigm of thought that magnify's all those around you to do the same.

Ya, it takes time but the more the merrier!!!

mntruthseeker · 10-01-2009, 06:39 PM

Thank you very much. You don't how much that helped.

I was beginning to think by reading this ****, I was calling it to myself. I see now Knowledge is Power.

I pray for all parties involved. I protect myself and have at it.........

I know that since I started thinking of it all turning around and not being a part of my world that my dreams and life have changed. I don't like feeling fear or want any part of it.

Thank you again for answering me Christo888

Steven · 10-01-2009, 07:02 PM

I agree with Cristo. Information about the situation of the world is absolutly important. Ignorance is what keeps us fragile.

The distinction is in the focus. Now that you know the truth about the elite, you can redirect your focus on something else. Shut down the TV.

I often say to the poeple who are not much aware of all this that there is a good news and a bad news.

The bad news is that there is an elite controlling our world since many years. The good news is that we have much more power than we beleive we have and we can change the course of destiny.

The balance is knowing about the elite scheme without maintaining a focus on it. Moreover, without feeding it with fear... This is why it is so important when we bring a news about the elite that we also bring the good news. Never loosing sight of our focus on a New Paradigm for Humanity and planet Earth.

Namaste, Steven

FIIISH · 10-01-2009, 10:36 PM

Quote:

I spend more time canceling my thoughts than I do manifesting them!

I can relate to this. I constantly find myself thinking about things
I DON'T want, canceling the thought, and starting again with something
more positive. Endless u-turns of thought! I do think it is getting
easier, and will continue to do so.

mntruthseeker,

I agree with Christo and Steven that awareness is important, but focus
is everything. I think we are more empowered knowing about a problem
and visualizing a solution than burying our heads in the sand and pretending
the problem doesn't exist. The point you get into trouble is when you
begin to focus on the negativity itself rather than a more positive outcome.
It can be a slippery slope-especially if you are already aren't feeling well to begin with! Easy it is not, but that is why we are here at this time. Only the brightest and best got picked for the assignment to assist in the transition.
It is a doozy! But we can handle it.

Steven · 10-01-2009, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIIISH

I can relate to this. I constantly find myself thinking about things
I DON'T want, canceling the thought, and starting again with something
more positive. Endless u-turns of thought! I do think it is getting
easier, and will continue to do so.

mntruthseeker,

I agree with Christo and Steven that awareness is important, but focus
is everything. I think we are more empowered knowing about a problem
and visualizing a solution than burying our heads in the sand and pretending
the problem doesn't exist. The point you get into trouble is when you
begin to focus on the negativity itself rather than a more positive outcome.
It can be a slippery slope-especially if you are already aren't feeling well to begin with! Easy it is not, but that is why we are here at this time. Only the brightest and best got picked for the assignment to assist in the transition.
It is a doozy! But we can handle it.

... And keep in mind, thought can be re-thought. Passed event which actually hurt you badly can also be re-thought the way you would have like it to happen. Remember, time is dimensional, not linear. This way you can heal a lot in yourself. You will only really believe this after trying it. Yes, it is highly speculative, I can't measure it. But I can experiment it.

Namaste, Steven

FIIISH · 10-01-2009, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Passed event which actually hurt you badly can also be re-thought the way you would have like it to happen

Absolutely. You can change your perception of an event from the
past and see it in a completely different light.

I do believe this particular technique has contributed largely
to the thing that passes for my sanity.

Steven · 10-01-2009, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIIISH

Absolutely. You can change your perception of an event from the past and see it in a completely different light.

I do believe this particular technique has contributed largely
to the thing that passes for my sanity.

Same here, bro, same here. It has drastically improved my life as for my wife too. And in my experience of this, the most painful event in my life is now something I can carry with pride and responsibility because of this technique. When you cross the river of pain again, consciously, you pour in some grace, love and joy, with the assistance of the whole, you unite the dark part with the light part in you and feel peace and balance once again.

Namaste, Steven

mntruthseeker · 10-02-2009, 03:15 AM

I just had that happen to me. After watching several protest clashes this weekend, it brought up such a rage in me that I had to take a look at the reasoning and get over it !

I did bring the thoughts of something in the past, and forgave certain people and moved on. I feel much better now because it was a lesson I needed and I got over it !

Christo888 · 10-02-2009, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

I just had that happen to me. After watching several protest clashes this weekend, it brought up such a rage in me that I had to take a look at the reasoning and get over it !

I did bring the thoughts of something in the past, and forgave certain people and moved on. I feel much better now because it was a lesson I needed and I got over it !

Maybe a sore subject but a great example of what a community will have to come to grips on...

Palestinians got screwed!!! And Israeli's knew they did this, but until Palestine finally gets over it they will always bitch and moan about being screwed. And Israel will always play the blame game on others until they recognize they screwed the Palestinians through deception. And so it will be with China and our debt notes... China was greedy and thinks we will pay back the debt... it will never get paid back but China knew this since the beginning but China hopes we will not pay attention... China is screwed and too bad for them... though we tricked them... tempted them, they still took the bait out of their own greed!

So it is with all in each own's life... taking the bait and getting screwed through deception and then hoping for vindication... yet the vindication will not arrive.
Greed is the motivator (many applications) and HOPE is the deception that created the greed to surface... neither one will ever go away... one just learns to see how that game plays and after much experience walks away once that game rears its head again to tempt... when the lesson is learned that game no longer exists!

Reviewing those moments in one's life and mentally changing the outcome with passion of understanding that one has the power to actually release the trap of it, then one can move on with life, and the linear days from the past forward will shift over time to the present until the memory of it no longer hurts and a shift out of pain mode is the result.

Extreme example... take the devil for a ride and the devil no longer hurts!

Art is life and life is art!!!

Stay sick or make yourself healthy, stay poor or make yourself wealthy, stay lonely or make love... woohoo!!!

Whatever you give power to comes to life!!!!!

FIIISH · 10-02-2009, 04:12 AM

I guess there were things that Michael Hutchence(of INXS) couldn't
think differently about. He committed suicide.

I have been in that place-never want to go back.

Christo888 · 10-02-2009, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIIISH

I guess there were things that Michael Hutchence(of INXS) couldn't
think differently about. He committed suicide.

I have been in that place-never want to go back.

Ya... the tools of understanding were not as available then as they are now... bringing those tools to light is not an easy task... but I guess that is what timing is all about!

A wow moment of synchronicity to appreciate this moment in history!!!

Carmen · 10-03-2009, 11:45 PM

Hi FIIISH,I to am interested in this and have wondered about it. Maybe when we first start on our spiritual journey all we experience is pre-cognition, of our spirit breaking through to bring us intuitive pre-cognition of an accident or disaster of some sort. Then as we advance somewhat we experience a blend of pre-cognition and manifestation. Further advancement would perhaps be all of what we focus on manifesting.

Another aspect to this, and one that I have experienced is that of a lucid dream or vision of disaster, changed the dream/vision to another outcome. I did this a few years ago when I woke from a dream of my daughter being killed in an auto accident on her way to school. I sat bolt upright in bed and yelled "CHANGE IT' and went back to sleep. I did not remember the dream until a day later when my daughter recounted to me a close call she had while driving to school. All the details were exactly how I saw it in the dream, except the outcome! A very useful tool I thought, and one that everyone should know about and apply.

Love and Light

Carmen

FIIISH · 10-04-2009, 05:52 AM

Carmen,

Great post.

What I perceive as precognition generally comes to me as either a flash
of knowing, or repetitive thoughts about something abstract that later
happens, or manifests. I often seem to have little choice in the matter
about whether or not I want to have the thought, it just happens.

Manifestation does seem to require more focus. I expect in time, that
these abilities will grow stronger for all of us. Won't that be amazing?

10-01-2009, 04:57 AM	#1
FIIISH Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 296	Manifestation or Pre-cognition? I have been debating this with myself for awhile, and I thought it might be helpful to pose this question to my fellow Avalonians: How do you tell the difference between apparent manifestation of thought, and pre-cognition? I believe I experience both daily, and am puzzled at identifying the two separately. Kind of like Chicken or the egg... Did the thought create the experience, or is the thought merely a projection of the experience waiting to be had? Lets assume that you have an experience that you have identified positively as being intuitive in nature. A couple examples: IE: Thinking of a song, and then hearing it later that same day IE: Thinking that you like a particular car,and you receive an advertisement in the mail about one Either example could be a result of pre-cognition, or manifestation. How would you tell the difference?

10-01-2009, 05:15 AM	#2
Christo888 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OC, CA and next... Posts: 1,289	Re: Manifestation or Pre-cognition? I don't know, but very good question... here's a few extras... I know that when I play the lottery I am not going to win; premonition. And that when I get my paycheck it's already spent; prediction. And I'll have to go to work for another week; prophesy. And if I work real hard I'll get a raise; propaganda. And I know in the end I'll have nothing to show for it; pre-cognition. But when I look back I knew it all along; manifestation!!!! And now that I know this I'll always be hopeful; brainwashed Not bad... I have the 7 gifts of the third dimension!!! Last edited by Christo888; 10-01-2009 at 05:23 AM.

10-01-2009, 05:30 AM	#3
FIIISH Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 296	Re: Manifestation or Pre-cognition? Christo888. I see you brought your sense of humor with you tonight!

10-01-2009, 12:45 PM	#4
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: Manifestation or Pre-cognition? This is a hard one Fiiish to define. I have had all those experiences. The ones i like, is when you get stuck on that last answer of a very difficult crossword, then suddenly the word is given via TV/radio or just hearing someone having a conversation, i just say out loud "thanks for that!"lol!

10-01-2009, 01:47 PM	#5
Steven Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Temiscouata Posts: 873	Re: Manifestation or Pre-cognition? Hello Fiiish. I'm glad you are mentioning this. If a thought pop up in your head and you see it happen soon after, then there is no doupt it is Pre-cognition. Why? Because manifested intention needs focus. The creative energy are gathered around a thought when it is focused; a maintained focus with the emotive charge it needs to fuel it. You need to charge your thought with creative energy in order to see it becoming reality. If you catch a thought of something that will manifest soon after, it is simply because we are transmiter-receiver. Your mind caught the creative energy at work. But it might also not happen at all, because the creative energy is dynamic, it is always in movement, simply because the mass consciousness is always evolving/changing. That is why it happens rarely. If someone catch a focus in gestation, being collective or individual, being conscious or unconscious, and tells it to others in a prediction form, and the others begging to believe it, to focus on it. Their focus adds to the creative formation of energy and it come closer to being manifested. On the other hand, if enough people focus on an opposite thought including the same elements concerned, than the creative energy answer to these focus and the prediction might not happen or happens but in a different manner. We have different focus, but use the same creative energy. This is why it adds to the complexity of making predictions. Hope it helped. Namaste, Steven Last edited by Steven; 10-01-2009 at 01:50 PM.

10-01-2009, 06:01 PM	#7
Christo888 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OC, CA and next... Posts: 1,289	Re: Manifestation or Pre-cognition? Well Fiiish I couldn't have done it without you, seriously! And a great thread for real... I was pondering the very issues myself the other day! I spend more time canceling my thoughts than I do manifesting them! So I began to switch how I think in order to make what I don't want come true! For instance; I don't want all these bills, and I don't want petty ailments, and I don't want to keep repeating the same day day after day while time passes by. So after watching "Ghost Busters" and realizing that they had to cross the streams in order to cancel what they don't want while at the same time they had to watch their thoughts in order to create what they do want, and of course ... poof... the 'stay puft marshmallow man' appeared big as life!! So now I tell myself I don't want an abundance of cash flow, and I don't want to be youthful and totally healthy, and I don't want exciting adventuresome days every day. And I don't want to time travel, or levitate, or shape shift my holographic self into my lightbody. And now I don't have to spend so much time canceling my 'don't wants' anymore!!! XXX Cross the streams to get what you don't want! Seriously!!! Last edited by Christo888; 10-01-2009 at 06:03 PM.

10-01-2009, 06:20 PM	#8
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Manifestation or Pre-cognition? Question for the two of you or anyone else for that matter So what do we call it when we read it in on the web and asked by others to react on the process ? H1N1 info or American Military Police in Arden MT ? Do we not talk about it or view it to make it disapear ? I'm not trying to be smart as I'm confused. David Icke says stand up for your rights. It seems to me that some people in here will not even discuss certain things. They made read the postings but not contribute one word. This makes me think that I should also ignore the stories. IMO...............you must know what is happening in order to react one way or another as that will not go away on it's own or will it ?

10-01-2009, 06:39 PM	#10
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Manifestation or Pre-cognition? Thank you very much. You don't how much that helped. I was beginning to think by reading this ****, I was calling it to myself. I see now Knowledge is Power. I pray for all parties involved. I protect myself and have at it......... I know that since I started thinking of it all turning around and not being a part of my world that my dreams and life have changed. I don't like feeling fear or want any part of it. Thank you again for answering me Christo888

10-01-2009, 07:02 PM	#11
Steven Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Temiscouata Posts: 873	Re: Manifestation or Pre-cognition? I agree with Cristo. Information about the situation of the world is absolutly important. Ignorance is what keeps us fragile. The distinction is in the focus. Now that you know the truth about the elite, you can redirect your focus on something else. Shut down the TV. I often say to the poeple who are not much aware of all this that there is a good news and a bad news. The bad news is that there is an elite controlling our world since many years. The good news is that we have much more power than we beleive we have and we can change the course of destiny. The balance is knowing about the elite scheme without maintaining a focus on it. Moreover, without feeding it with fear... This is why it is so important when we bring a news about the elite that we also bring the good news. Never loosing sight of our focus on a New Paradigm for Humanity and planet Earth. Namaste, Steven

10-02-2009, 03:15 AM	#16
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Manifestation or Pre-cognition? I just had that happen to me. After watching several protest clashes this weekend, it brought up such a rage in me that I had to take a look at the reasoning and get over it ! I did bring the thoughts of something in the past, and forgave certain people and moved on. I feel much better now because it was a lesson I needed and I got over it !

10-02-2009, 04:12 AM	#18
FIIISH Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 296	Re: Manifestation or Pre-cognition? I guess there were things that Michael Hutchence(of INXS) couldn't think differently about. He committed suicide. I have been in that place-never want to go back.

10-03-2009, 11:45 PM	#20
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: Manifestation or Pre-cognition? Hi FIIISH,I to am interested in this and have wondered about it. Maybe when we first start on our spiritual journey all we experience is pre-cognition, of our spirit breaking through to bring us intuitive pre-cognition of an accident or disaster of some sort. Then as we advance somewhat we experience a blend of pre-cognition and manifestation. Further advancement would perhaps be all of what we focus on manifesting. Another aspect to this, and one that I have experienced is that of a lucid dream or vision of disaster, changed the dream/vision to another outcome. I did this a few years ago when I woke from a dream of my daughter being killed in an auto accident on her way to school. I sat bolt upright in bed and yelled "CHANGE IT' and went back to sleep. I did not remember the dream until a day later when my daughter recounted to me a close call she had while driving to school. All the details were exactly how I saw it in the dream, except the outcome! A very useful tool I thought, and one that everyone should know about and apply. Love and Light Carmen

10-04-2009, 05:52 AM	#21
FIIISH Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 296	Re: Manifestation or Pre-cognition? Carmen, Great post. What I perceive as precognition generally comes to me as either a flash of knowing, or repetitive thoughts about something abstract that later happens, or manifests. I often seem to have little choice in the matter about whether or not I want to have the thought, it just happens. Manifestation does seem to require more focus. I expect in time, that these abilities will grow stronger for all of us. Won't that be amazing?