The ego what is it? How to transcend? - Page 7

bushycat · 12-22-2009, 08:39 PM

When you can extend your meditation to 30 minutes.
Ive found that from twenty on it shifts a gear so to speak, but dont look for any result, that just gets in the way.

Best wishes
Chris[/QUOTE]

I've wondered about the 20 minute shifting of gears also for years. And that's what I've called it,too. It seems to happen also when I go out jogging. Must be something to it. After the 20 minutes there is the calm place within. The connection more complete.

Love,
Bushycat

371 · 12-22-2009, 08:42 PM

We seem to want to make things like this complicated.

It's not.

greybeard · 12-22-2009, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 371

We seem to want to make things like this complicated.

It's not.

Agree -- though until the ego is trascended it seems complicated.

If one can just stay present in the eternal moment thats all that is needed.

Unfortunately up till now the sucess rate has been abysmal, not many enlightened souls as yet but many well into the process.

Ramesh Balsakar said.
God gave you an ego let him remove it.. and He does.

Regards Chris

Neo · 01-05-2010, 07:51 AM

I dont think transcending the ego is really the objective, its more about just realizing that its one of the many tools we are equipped with and not the complete you. Just as you wouldnt use a hammer for every job, the ego is the same.

greybeard · 01-05-2010, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo

I dont think transcending the ego is really the objective, its more about just realizing that its one of the many tools we are equipped with and not the complete you. Just as you wouldnt use a hammer for every job, the ego is the same.

Hi Neo
There is a difference between ego and self esteem.
Self esteem is very healthy, the ego is helpful to begin with then it is an obstacle to further spiritual progress.
If you want to force your way to success in this world ,no matter what, then the ego is the tool to use. if the thought is that the end justifies the means then the ego is the right tool.

If you look for a powerful but peaceful way of achieving then the ego has to be transcended
Gandhi freed India by non-violent means, a very spiritual man.

So basically its down to the individuals goals, we have the choice.
The book "Power versus Force" by Dr David Hawkins explains it beautifully.
Regards Chris

greybeard · 01-05-2010, 01:23 PM

How do you know if you are making progress in transcending the ego?

The ego is a nosy attention seeking animal.

so you can measure the degree of progress by the amount of silence in the mind.
The more silence the more peace and tranquility.
The mind then is much more clear and is sharp when you need to process something.
There is a higher quality.
Judgment of others and situations decrease, there is an acceptance.
It is as it is, if action is required it will be quality action and effective.

The mind becomes more silent through meditation and surrendering personal will to God,

It is easy to get pulled out of the NOW and into the hypothetical, the what if.
Eventually that is countered by "So what!!!!" or "I dont mind" a famous statement by Krishna Murthy (cant spell)
When you dont mind marvelous things happen, action happens but there is no concern for out come, Its out with our control anyway. We can give it our best shot but thats all we can do. ego will try and force an out come, a sure way to friction and misery.

Eckhart says "There are two ways of becoming unhappy,
One --------not getting what you want
Two -----------getting what you want"

Chris

mudra · 01-05-2010, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo

I dont think transcending the ego is really the objective, its more about just realizing that its one of the many tools we are equipped with and not the complete you. Just as you wouldnt use a hammer for every job, the ego is the same.

I would say you are making a good point Neo as regarding the matter of the ego discernement is a good basis to start with .

Love Always
mudra

kriya · 01-05-2010, 05:44 PM

14 Chakras,

I don't know if you are a man or a woman. However, I think you are a person of true realization and your wisdom is appreciated.

In Divine Friendship,

Kriya

14 Chakras · 01-06-2010, 07:31 AM

There's a lot of wonderful consciousness that gets shared here on Avalon by so many beautiful souls. The most beautiful posts are when we can share something that helps ourselves learn, and maybe some who read it come up higher.

How best to learn something? Share our current level of understanding of it ! We're all students of More, and we learn by sharing. Gratitude to all for sharing, I will continue to do so.

To me, this thread, is really the heart of the matter.

You can research all the dimensions ET's, PTB, religions, science, technologies etc. but the reality is that it all comes down to what is being discussed here in this thread.

Do we want to keep playing the victim? The illusion of separation that is truly unconsciousness? Or are we ready to jump back in the River of Life where we are always More, always transcending our current level of understanding.

Are we the rich men, full of outer knowledge so that we cannot accept a higher truth. Or are we the child always seeking More, always. Never ending students of Life.

I suggest the human ego seeks security in identifying no-change in the matrix. However, the matrix is an illusion, and will never remain static. So the ego must continually seek to redefine itself... and suffering is always the fruit of the ego...

What's coming is change so massive that the egos of the world will no longer be able to convince us that we are so and so based on the matrix. We are so much more.

I suggest we seek security in Being More. In change. Seek security in knowing that who I am Now has died for who I Am Now. And who I was when I typed Now, has died, for who I Am Now.

Only the Now is real and lasting. True security can only Be found in eternally Being Now.

Life is More, always transcending. True security comes in knowing I Am One with it rather than trying to define myself as separate from Life itSelf ~

I Am Oneness that IS divine reality.

greybeard · 01-06-2010, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

There's a lot of wonderful consciousness that gets shared here on Avalon by so many beautiful souls. The most beautiful posts are when we can share something that helps ourselves learn, and maybe some who read it come up higher.

How best to learn something? Share our current level of understanding of it ! We're all students of More, and we learn by sharing. Gratitude to all for sharing, I will continue to do so.

To me, this thread, is really the heart of the matter.

You can research all the dimensions ET's, PTB, religions, science, technologies etc. but the reality is that it all comes down to what is being discussed here in this thread.

Do we want to keep playing the victim? The illusion of separation that is truly unconsciousness? Or are we ready to jump back in the River of Life where we are always More, always transcending our current level of understanding.

Are we the rich men, full of outer knowledge so that we cannot accept a higher truth. Or are we the child always seeking More, always. Never ending students of Life.

I suggest the human ego seeks security in identifying no-change in the matrix. However, the matrix is an illusion, and will never remain static. So the ego must continually seek to redefine itself... and suffering is always the fruit of the ego...

What's coming is change so massive that the egos of the world will no longer be able to convince us that we are so and so based on the matrix. We are so much more.

I suggest we seek security in Being More. In change. Seek security in knowing that who I am Now has died for who I Am Now. And who I was when I typed Now, has died, for who I Am Now.

Only the Now is real and lasting. True security can only Be found in eternally Being Now.

Life is More, always transcending. True security comes in knowing I Am One with it rather than trying to define myself as separate from Life itSelf ~

I Am Oneness that IS divine reality.

All so true 14 Chakras

we are in love with thinkingness.

But lets look at thoughts,

Are they our thoughts, no they come out of the energy field of thought.
if they were our thoughts we would have control over them to the degree that we could effortlessly stop thought. Just try and see what happens.
It would be easier to try and stop breath entering and leaving the body.

We can witness thoughts arising and we can witness them as separate from us, let them be, or claim them as our invention, identify with them make them our own.

Realizing we are One with the ONE necessitates letting go of all kinds of identification with belief systems, cherished postionalities, all of which are egoic.

The ego is simply identification with the me story in the head and how we love the story of past events, be it as the victim of the "enemy" out there or as the winner over other competitors.

For me winning in this life is discovering my true identity and not having to be reincarnated to have another human experience, at least in the world as it is.

If ego is not transcended then I will have another visit here to discover what I can know NOW . if not NOW when????

Every spiritual Master has said the same thing, God is within. There is no where God is not.
The best place therefore to look is where God is closest to you, within.

There is no need to investigate this and that in any great depth, its a form of avoidance in my humble opinion.

Having said that, this only applies to those who are serious about enlightenment -- discovering the Presence within which is your very own SELF.

With respect for all.
Chris

greybeard · 01-06-2010, 10:36 PM

There have been many interesting posts here so I would like to thank all who contribute.
Chris
Namaste

14 Chakras · 01-07-2010, 07:21 PM

The key understanding for me, is that beyond the human ego is not nothingness. Our "I" simply gets redefined from something that is separate from our source, to Being One with our source. Something we can experience, not fully grasp with the linear mind.

Here is a teaching that came through a spiritual work I'm aware of:

---- from Master MORE through a student -----

When you affirm I AM my I AM Presence you affirm oneness with your source, but at the same time you are also <Insert your name here> who has a unique individuality. So when you unite with the source of your being, you realize your true identity. But you also realize you are an individualization of that identity. Just as there is an original I AM in this world, which branched off into small individualization's in creation, the whole purpose of creation is to multiply individualization's of god, but you can also say the facet furthest from the source, has the source within its being.

So within your being, you can go all the way back to the pure being of God, the pure diving consciousness. So you are a spark in that consciousness and you have individuality. It is hard to put in terms on earth because of linear mind. When in reality you are both an individual and one with your source, it is hard for human mind to understand. Only when you rise above can you understand your separate individuality and being one with your source.

This forms a bit of a conflict between having your personal identity and not having your personal identity because you are in fact one with everything. So until you understand the reality of that you can go in circles whether you are an individual or who you really are, or whether you are one with everything, or connecting with your source. So my advice is to beyond your mind and experience what it is like.

There are only so many things I can say in linear words without being contradictory, so this kind of contradictory nature will only confuse the linear mind and propel it further and try to rationalize the un-rationizable. So until you experience the source of your being you will just be confused by words and concepts. So I suggest along with your meditations and decrees, you ask to be shown what you desire to experience oneness with your source. This may not happen right away but I assure will happen if you discipline stilling your mind and having me come into oneness with you.

greybeard · 01-07-2010, 07:39 PM

Thanks 14Chakras.
Yes God is immanent and transcendent both and yet neither.
When enlightenment occurs that is also the state of the sage.

Chris
Namaste

Logout · 01-09-2010, 09:12 PM

Hello all thanks for your sharing and experiences

Interesting opinions here. About the ego i look like it is selfcreated and its us. Created out of the need to survive and to be able to exist as a beeing. In a World/perception where you learn what you can eat where its safe to sleep what is dangerous and friendly you get teached this mostly from the very begining from your parents. Ego also is, not egoism, the part which is conciouss in the unconciousness of its higher self, means you are aware of what you want of what you be and have no fear to show it.
This ego is like the voice that says you to dont give up when you dont have a good mark in school, when you fall to stand up again or in a contest when you sing do sports do maths draw etc to do even a little bit more then usually to be successfull. But also is the voice which says when we are aware we cant swim to dont jump in the water or when we are aware we cant fly to dont jump from high because we might hurt us. Which would cause pain so we fear it because its a perception. Ego by itself is fearless. So it can help us to jump over our own shadow and leads also to evolution.

a nice example maybe why do alot people try do so much effort to get conciouss about the unconciousness^^ -reasearches, taking time for our self, talking about these, showing so much love to other things and and and
We do these things for others but/and also for our self.

Successfull in our society means to be better when others you got a A you become a doctor, judge someone respected. You got a F you failed you are dumb you dont get a job you are just anotherone on the street. Many know how nice other people can be when you win, did your job well, or got a A but also know maybe the words why you dont do better, you are lazy or even you are for nothing good.
In our society the system knows how to manipulate the ego of the people in a way that they try or want things even so hard that they are even able to kill. They show them things what the people dont have so they dont look on what they have already. So most people do want these things(new clothes techniques films musik sex and and) because of their ego and they cant get it mostly in the same time, which causes problems. When you can manipulate what people want you can control them by their ego. The most easy way is fear because our ego will do its very best to protect and shield us from outside. Some fully live in this system and dont have the time like some of us have to get aware of.

Its also our ego saying us when the world looks so bad why we dont make it a better place.

Our ego now is I, seperated from our higher self. The I wants to grow and experience everything, some things looks bad others good. Because we are used to judge things we dont know it any better and cant see the beauty in it. Like the Bad guy will deny the good part in him and the good guy will deny the bad part in himself.

Become oness with all like we are all one get aware of our higher self the I becomes I AM also caused me trouble in understanding like i can't be myself anymore and have to be like every other one. There are infinite possibilitys it might feel like give yourself up or loose yourself you can resist but you dont have to. From my experience the ego is the willpower you dont get connected just by a coincident its you who still can decide this and also to stop it. A way to do so is to chooce love. Imagine you are just love feel it be it and dont fear, nothing can harm you. Some people tell you you have to use special symbols, mantras, chacras or need years of practice for good karma its in our believesystem. Universal laws are very nice help. Some things are also good we dont know yet because we all have powers which are beyond of what we are able to take responsibility for yet. Dont worry be happy(thanks) things will naturally come to you when you are ready.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY my ego tells me i wanna be part of this too, enjoy

12-22-2009, 08:39 PM	#1
bushycat Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 442	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? When you can extend your meditation to 30 minutes. Ive found that from twenty on it shifts a gear so to speak, but dont look for any result, that just gets in the way. Best wishes Chris[/QUOTE] I've wondered about the 20 minute shifting of gears also for years. And that's what I've called it,too. It seems to happen also when I go out jogging. Must be something to it. After the 20 minutes there is the calm place within. The connection more complete. Love, Bushycat

12-22-2009, 08:42 PM	#2
371 Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 503	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? We seem to want to make things like this complicated. It's not.

01-05-2010, 07:51 AM	#4
Neo Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 97	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? I dont think transcending the ego is really the objective, its more about just realizing that its one of the many tools we are equipped with and not the complete you. Just as you wouldnt use a hammer for every job, the ego is the same.

01-05-2010, 01:23 PM	#6
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? How do you know if you are making progress in transcending the ego? The ego is a nosy attention seeking animal. so you can measure the degree of progress by the amount of silence in the mind. The more silence the more peace and tranquility. The mind then is much more clear and is sharp when you need to process something. There is a higher quality. Judgment of others and situations decrease, there is an acceptance. It is as it is, if action is required it will be quality action and effective. The mind becomes more silent through meditation and surrendering personal will to God, It is easy to get pulled out of the NOW and into the hypothetical, the what if. Eventually that is countered by "So what!!!!" or "I dont mind" a famous statement by Krishna Murthy (cant spell) When you dont mind marvelous things happen, action happens but there is no concern for out come, Its out with our control anyway. We can give it our best shot but thats all we can do. ego will try and force an out come, a sure way to friction and misery. Eckhart says "There are two ways of becoming unhappy, One --------not getting what you want Two -----------getting what you want" Chris

01-05-2010, 05:44 PM	#8
kriya Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 213	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? 14 Chakras, I don't know if you are a man or a woman. However, I think you are a person of true realization and your wisdom is appreciated. In Divine Friendship, Kriya

01-06-2010, 07:31 AM	#9
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? There's a lot of wonderful consciousness that gets shared here on Avalon by so many beautiful souls. The most beautiful posts are when we can share something that helps ourselves learn, and maybe some who read it come up higher. How best to learn something? Share our current level of understanding of it ! We're all students of More, and we learn by sharing. Gratitude to all for sharing, I will continue to do so. To me, this thread, is really the heart of the matter. You can research all the dimensions ET's, PTB, religions, science, technologies etc. but the reality is that it all comes down to what is being discussed here in this thread. Do we want to keep playing the victim? The illusion of separation that is truly unconsciousness? Or are we ready to jump back in the River of Life where we are always More, always transcending our current level of understanding. Are we the rich men, full of outer knowledge so that we cannot accept a higher truth. Or are we the child always seeking More, always. Never ending students of Life. I suggest the human ego seeks security in identifying no-change in the matrix. However, the matrix is an illusion, and will never remain static. So the ego must continually seek to redefine itself... and suffering is always the fruit of the ego... What's coming is change so massive that the egos of the world will no longer be able to convince us that we are so and so based on the matrix. We are so much more. I suggest we seek security in Being More. In change. Seek security in knowing that who I am Now has died for who I Am Now. And who I was when I typed Now, has died, for who I Am Now. Only the Now is real and lasting. True security can only Be found in eternally Being Now. Life is More, always transcending. True security comes in knowing I Am One with it rather than trying to define myself as separate from Life itSelf ~ I Am Oneness that IS divine reality. Last edited by 14 Chakras; 01-06-2010 at 10:24 AM.

01-06-2010, 10:36 PM	#11
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? There have been many interesting posts here so I would like to thank all who contribute. Chris Namaste

01-07-2010, 07:21 PM	#12
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? The key understanding for me, is that beyond the human ego is not nothingness. Our "I" simply gets redefined from something that is separate from our source, to Being One with our source. Something we can experience, not fully grasp with the linear mind. Here is a teaching that came through a spiritual work I'm aware of: ---- from Master MORE through a student ----- When you affirm I AM my I AM Presence you affirm oneness with your source, but at the same time you are also <Insert your name here> who has a unique individuality. So when you unite with the source of your being, you realize your true identity. But you also realize you are an individualization of that identity. Just as there is an original I AM in this world, which branched off into small individualization's in creation, the whole purpose of creation is to multiply individualization's of god, but you can also say the facet furthest from the source, has the source within its being. So within your being, you can go all the way back to the pure being of God, the pure diving consciousness. So you are a spark in that consciousness and you have individuality. It is hard to put in terms on earth because of linear mind. When in reality you are both an individual and one with your source, it is hard for human mind to understand. Only when you rise above can you understand your separate individuality and being one with your source. This forms a bit of a conflict between having your personal identity and not having your personal identity because you are in fact one with everything. So until you understand the reality of that you can go in circles whether you are an individual or who you really are, or whether you are one with everything, or connecting with your source. So my advice is to beyond your mind and experience what it is like. There are only so many things I can say in linear words without being contradictory, so this kind of contradictory nature will only confuse the linear mind and propel it further and try to rationalize the un-rationizable. So until you experience the source of your being you will just be confused by words and concepts. So I suggest along with your meditations and decrees, you ask to be shown what you desire to experience oneness with your source. This may not happen right away but I assure will happen if you discipline stilling your mind and having me come into oneness with you. Last edited by 14 Chakras; 01-07-2010 at 07:51 PM.

01-07-2010, 07:39 PM	#13
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? Thanks 14Chakras. Yes God is immanent and transcendent both and yet neither. When enlightenment occurs that is also the state of the sage. Chris Namaste

01-09-2010, 09:12 PM	#14
Logout Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 15	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? Hello all thanks for your sharing and experiences Interesting opinions here. About the ego i look like it is selfcreated and its us. Created out of the need to survive and to be able to exist as a beeing. In a World/perception where you learn what you can eat where its safe to sleep what is dangerous and friendly you get teached this mostly from the very begining from your parents. Ego also is, not egoism, the part which is conciouss in the unconciousness of its higher self, means you are aware of what you want of what you be and have no fear to show it. This ego is like the voice that says you to dont give up when you dont have a good mark in school, when you fall to stand up again or in a contest when you sing do sports do maths draw etc to do even a little bit more then usually to be successfull. But also is the voice which says when we are aware we cant swim to dont jump in the water or when we are aware we cant fly to dont jump from high because we might hurt us. Which would cause pain so we fear it because its a perception. Ego by itself is fearless. So it can help us to jump over our own shadow and leads also to evolution. a nice example maybe why do alot people try do so much effort to get conciouss about the unconciousness^^ -reasearches, taking time for our self, talking about these, showing so much love to other things and and and We do these things for others but/and also for our self. Successfull in our society means to be better when others you got a A you become a doctor, judge someone respected. You got a F you failed you are dumb you dont get a job you are just anotherone on the street. Many know how nice other people can be when you win, did your job well, or got a A but also know maybe the words why you dont do better, you are lazy or even you are for nothing good. In our society the system knows how to manipulate the ego of the people in a way that they try or want things even so hard that they are even able to kill. They show them things what the people dont have so they dont look on what they have already. So most people do want these things(new clothes techniques films musik sex and and) because of their ego and they cant get it mostly in the same time, which causes problems. When you can manipulate what people want you can control them by their ego. The most easy way is fear because our ego will do its very best to protect and shield us from outside. Some fully live in this system and dont have the time like some of us have to get aware of. Its also our ego saying us when the world looks so bad why we dont make it a better place. Our ego now is I, seperated from our higher self. The I wants to grow and experience everything, some things looks bad others good. Because we are used to judge things we dont know it any better and cant see the beauty in it. Like the Bad guy will deny the good part in him and the good guy will deny the bad part in himself. Become oness with all like we are all one get aware of our higher self the I becomes I AM also caused me trouble in understanding like i can't be myself anymore and have to be like every other one. There are infinite possibilitys it might feel like give yourself up or loose yourself you can resist but you dont have to. From my experience the ego is the willpower you dont get connected just by a coincident its you who still can decide this and also to stop it. A way to do so is to chooce love. Imagine you are just love feel it be it and dont fear, nothing can harm you. Some people tell you you have to use special symbols, mantras, chacras or need years of practice for good karma its in our believesystem. Universal laws are very nice help. Some things are also good we dont know yet because we all have powers which are beyond of what we are able to take responsibility for yet. Dont worry be happy(thanks) things will naturally come to you when you are ready. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY my ego tells me i wanna be part of this too, enjoy Last edited by Logout; 01-09-2010 at 09:30 PM.