Last Try (I suspect, in vein. Hope I am wrong.)... - Page 2

robyn · 12-15-2009, 06:58 PM

Well Warrior,I was interested in what you had to say but if you don't feel this is going to work for you, I understand.

Consider that if this forum is not already set up in a way that will work for you, this may not be the forum in which to express your insights.
There are many forums on the net and it will be far easier to find another one that already meets your specifications more closely. This one is highly unlikely to make the changes that work for you. It is what it is. Accept that and move on.

It's a little like going to another country and insisting natives accomodate you rather than adapting to the customs there - as poor as those customs may be.

All the best,
Robyn

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Originally Posted by WarriorServant

I have tried on this forum, but the threads keep turning into a religious debate.

I am just trying to make everyone see that there needs to be better moderation on the forum to insist people stay on topic and stop the consensus that it's ok to beat on the Jesus guy.

Once we can all get THERE, I can post a lot of stories all about my life -- many of which I am quite sure people will be interested in. But I just cannot do that unless people learn to stay on topic and stop accusing me of beliefs that I don't hold and didn't promote.

WarriorServant · 12-15-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by robyn

Well Warrior,I was interested in what you had to say but if you don't feel this is going to work for you, I understand.

Consider that if this forum is not already set up in a way that will work for you, this may not be the forum in which to express your insights.
There are many forums on the net and it will be far easier to find another one that already meets your specifications more closely. This one is highly unlikely to make the changes that work for you. It is what it is. Accept that and move on.

It's a little like going to another country and insisting natives accomodate you rather than adapting to the customs there - as poor as those customs may be.

All the best,
Robyn

I do not have any specifications except for a request for people to stay sincere and stay on topic. I wish that to be backed up by proper moderation.

Initiate · 12-15-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WarriorServant

I have TRIED to make topics before. They always go the same way. The context of the thread is ignored and a hoard of Bible haters are allowed to hijack the thread and turn it in to reasons all about why they hate the Bible and religion. If there wasn't a problem, I wouldn't be complaining about it.

I'm not starting ONE more serious thread about any of my life experiences or concerns until this problem is settled.

Further, I have already answered your response within the original post.

Before you start sharing your truth could you please point out posts that are from bible haters? This seems to be at the heart of your problem with the forum. You are free to use what ever reference material you desire is that not correct guys? The bible is respected by a lot of people here. A Minority say it is a complete falsehood. So what. that's their choice. It shouldn't stop you sharing your truth and relating it to the bible.

Will your next post be defending your right to free speech (which you already have) or will it be continuing to share your story? The right to free speech has to go hand in hand with the right for people to choose to believe. It's up to you. Are you the war monger or the peach bringer? Will you serve the forum or will you fight it?

WarriorServant · 12-15-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Initiate

Before you start sharing your truth could you please point out posts that are from bible haters? This seems to be at the heart of your problem with the forum. You are free to use what ever reference material you desire is that not correct guys? The bible is respected by a lot of people here. A Minority say it is a complete falsehood. So what. that's their choice. It shouldn't stop you sharing your truth and relating it to the bible.

Will your next post be defending your right to free speech (which you already have) or will it be continuing to share your story? The right to free speech has to go hand in hand with the right for people to choose to believe. It's up to you. Are you the war monger or the peach bringer?

This particular thread has not been created for me to share any stories. It is a last ditch attempt to have people realise that topics need to stay "on topic" or when serious people want to post about serious things, the thread can easily get hijacked (as mine are). You want evidence? Go see my threads. You'll be shocked.

Everything else is outlined clearly in the original post of this thread.

Initiate · 12-15-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WarriorServant

This particular thread has not been created for me to share any stories. It is a last ditch attempt to have people realise that topics need to stay "on topic" or when serious people want to post about serious things, the thread can easily get hijacked (as mine are). You want evidence? Go see my threads. You'll be shocked.

Everything else is outlined clearly in the original post of this thread.

I have read the initial post in this thread and my question stands will you answer it?

Will your next post be defending your right to free speech (which you already have) or will it be continuing to share your story? The right to free speech has to go hand in hand with the right for people to choose to believe. It's up to you. Are you the war monger or the peach bringer? Will you serve the forum or will you fight it?

Majorion · 12-15-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Initiate

I have read the initial post in this thread and my question stands will you answer it?

Will your next post be defending your right to free speech (which you already have) or will it be continuing to share your story? The right to free speech has to go hand in hand with the right for people to choose to believe. It's up to you. Are you the war monger or the peach bringer? Will you serve the forum or will you fight it?

He is just going to offer you the same exact response with a different variation.

WarriorServant · 12-15-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorion

He is just going to offer you the same exact response with a different variation.

You were right.

Initiate · 12-15-2009, 08:46 PM

You obiviously refuse to answer the question so I can only assume you are here debate your right to free speach rather than share your story.

Take care.

WarriorServant · 12-15-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Initiate

You obiviously refuse to answer the question so I can only assume you are here debate your right to free speach rather than share your story.

Take care.

If that's what you got from the problems addressed in this thread, then what more can I say? My problem isn't a free speech problem. I am clearly allowed to post what I like on this forum. That's not my problem. My problem (for those who missed the 900 times I said it) is that people do not stay on topic.

WarriorServant · 12-15-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Initiate

I have read the initial post in this thread and my question stands will you answer it?

Will your next post be defending your right to free speech (which you already have) or will it be continuing to share your story? The right to free speech has to go hand in hand with the right for people to choose to believe. It's up to you. Are you the war monger or the peach bringer? Will you serve the forum or will you fight it?

I am unable to continue sharing my life experiences until this forum allows me to post without turning everything into a religious debate. It's that simple.

However, after watching this thread for 6 pages (and watching moderators come and go), and after seeing no one has got my point, there's pretty much no way for me to remain a contributor of this forum.

All I wanted to do was post in peace without being made a mockery of, and all the arm flapping I have done hasn't gained any acknowledgment from the moderators. The moderators couldn't care less.

As far as they're concerned, they're quite happy to allow everyone to post as they wish. I will not continue this for much longer. I am almost flat out - out of patience. So anyone who believes that I am after attention or playing games, just watch me walk out the door..

I WANTED to post and contribute, because I am deeply interested in many topics of this forum. That's why I am here! But "my kind of" knowledge is laughed at around God hating places like this. It's a shame, because I had a lot to share.

I have done no wrong on this forum. I tried to shake it and have it become more fair, but no one who is able to set the tone of the forum cares.

100thmonkey · 12-15-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WarriorServant

I have been told, many times, to simply "spit it out". I've been told to stop playing the victim and just say what ever it is I have to say. I can only reiterate that I have been sincerely trying, but I cannot, no matter how much I try, prevent a band of people who "think" they hate what ever it is (they "think") I have to say, because they (incorrectly) presume that it's *obviously* going to be all about finger pointing and how I am right and everyone else is wrong.

WS. Here is the core of where you are correct and you are incorrect.
Actually, you really can just type whatever you want into a post.

No one can edit your posts (except mods) and change what you have typed.

Say what you want, as fully and completely as you want - and it will be up before anyone can stop you.

People may respond how they want but that's not in your control, so don't worry. You don't have to try to clear a solemn vacuum roundabout before you lay down your testimony.
Just put it out.

You can't control others. You can only control yourself.
Trying to control others is futile.
Let your words speak for themselves.
If someone is open to what you say they will be able to ignore the opposition on their own.
Leave the rest in god's hands.

WarriorServant · 12-15-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

WS. Here is the core of where you are correct and you are incorrect.
Actually, you really can just type whatever you want into a post.

No one can edit your posts (except mods) and change what you have typed.

Say what you want, as fully and completely as you want - and it will be up before anyone can stop you.

People may respond how they want but that's not in your control, so don't worry. You don't have to try to clear a solemn vacuum roundabout before you lay down your testimony.
Just put it out.

You can't control others. You can only control yourself.
Trying to control others is futile.
Let your words speak for themselves.
If someone is open to what you say they will be able to ignore the opposition on their own.
Leave the rest in god's hands.

Ok, I am able to "physically type what I want", but I am not able to "converse" with people that are interested, because the majority that's "uninterested" comes along and purposeful derails my threads, taking everything back to a religious debate -- which I've said a thousand times, I am completely and utterly uninterested in. I am sick and tired of every thread I make going back to the same tired old direction which I have absolutely NO interest in. I am not going to post the myriad of things I want to post if the SAME people are going to bring up the SAME things about religion in EVERY thread, over and over and over and over again -- to0tally ignoring the original post, just because they have something they'd like "the POSTER to know about how the feel about the Bible". It's ridiculous.

I wont mind if I mention something about the Bible or Jesus and that causes someone to raise a question (or disbelief) about the "actual thing I said".. but to just swing into a thread, not really care or have any idea about what's being discussed and simply pop out with: "Well here's what I think of the Bible..." ... I'm SICK of it! Reply to the topic, or to the comments of the topic _ IN CONTEXT! I'm not asking much!

I didn't come here for religious debates. I came here because I have a LOT of things I want to share and I can never get more than 3 responses into a thread before it goes back to: "Oh Bible basher", "Oh preacher", "I don't believe in the Bible, it's a storybook"... well good for YOU! Go make a thread about it then. We can all have 50,000 threads about why various people don't believe the Bible, but I would like MY threads to stay on topic!

Céline · 12-15-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WarriorServant

Go make a thread about it then. We can all have 50,000 threads about why various people don't believe the Bible, but I would like MY threads to stay on topic!

Threads are PUBLIC..you do not own them...

You seem very concerned...about You...all the time...

WarriorServant · 12-15-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Céline

Threads are PUBLIC..you do not own them...

You seem very concerned...about You...all the time...

Thanks for not contributing anything valuable.

Céline · 12-15-2009, 05:28 PM

Ok...this is to much for me...

We are in a war? all you wish to do is battle...not one word of compassion..or understanding... Many people here have tried to be understanding with you...you do not give others the same ..

a member is declaring war...is being very self centered...

i find this thread extremely negative...along with anything else you write...

Question for moderators...

Is there a way to set a member on ignore? so i do not have to read his comments or posts?

i am done responding to you...you need love...if you wish to have some...pm me.

WarriorServant · 12-15-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Céline

Ok...this is to much for me...

We are in a war? all you wish to do is battle...not one word of compassion..or understanding... Many people here have tried to be understanding with you...you do not give others the same ..

a member is declaring war...is being very self centered...

i find this thread extremely negative...along with anything else you write...

Question for moderators...

Is there a way to set a member on ignore? so i do not have to read his comments or posts?

i am done responding to you...you need love...if you wish to have some...pm me.

I am sorry the word war offends you. Nevertheless, there's a war all around you. You can't escape it. If you do not pick up a sword, you will most likely be slain in it. I will declare war on any untruth, or evil spirit, no matter where I see it in the world.

To ignore my threads, I suggest you look at the name of the contributor before clicking on a post. If you see one by me, don't read it. I could do without your responses also, so that will make us both happier.

robyn · 12-15-2009, 06:14 PM

Hmmm...many people have been to church, bible studies, read the bible, read it again, been to more church and bible studies...and chose something else. Sometimes rejecting christianity completely, sometimes holding some respect for it and those that believe in it.

Can we allow people to make their own choices and respect that without insisting they listen to us telll them we have the truth and they are gone astray?

I think so.

I have no interest in christianity, which, along with other religions claims an exclusive on truth, but don't reject the central message of Jesus, which, of course, is heresy to christianity. That's ok, it's my choice.

I was raised christian and believed it until I could no longer accept it, so I moved on -- as many others have. I have no quarrel with those that remain or convert.

Each to his own best understanding of the truth.

What I'm saying is, few want to discuss christianity on a non-christian forum and there's not much that can be done about it. You may want what very few here want, and that is causing, and is going to continue to cause, you great frustration.

You may want to consider doing something that won't cause this frustration.

All the best,
Robyn

WarriorServant · 12-15-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by robyn

Hmmm...many people have been to church, bible studies, read the bible, read it again, been to more church and bible studies...and chose something else. Sometimes rejecting christianity completely, sometimes holding some respect for it and those that believe in it.

Can we allow people to make their own choices and respect that without insisting they listen to us telll them we have the truth and they are gone astray?

I think so.

I have no interest in christianity, which, along with other religions claims an exclusive on truth, but don't reject the central message of Jesus, which, of course, is heresy to christianity. That's ok, it's my choice.

I was raised christian and believed it until I could no longer accept it, so I moved on -- as many others have. I have no quarrel with those that remain or convert.

Each to his own best understanding of the truth.

What I'm saying is, few want to discuss christianity on a non-christian forum and there's not much that can be done about it. You may want what very few here want, and that is causing, and is going to continue to cause, you great frustration.

You may want to consider doing something that won't cause this frustration.

All the best,
Robyn

That's all wonderful.

What you have something to post that's "ON TOPIC" break a leg.

This is NOT a religious debate and I didn't ask to hear anyones religious views.

Read the initial post.

You obviously ahve no idea what the thread is about.

100thmonkey · 12-15-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Céline

We are in a war? all you wish to do is battle...not one word of compassion..or understanding... Many people here have tried to be understanding with you...you do not give others the same ..

a member is declaring war...is being very self centered....

When you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail.

Is it really surprising that someone calling themself a 'warrior' ends up declaring war?

Céline · 12-15-2009, 05:34 PM

you are correct, monkey...i should have been more observant...and less naive.

Angel in Disguise · 12-15-2009, 05:37 PM

A Warrior's SERVANT... explains a lot now

Angel in Disguise · 12-15-2009, 05:42 PM

I've noticed where you have 'tried'... How bout rereading your posts and taking out all negatively charged words and replacing them with positive ones. Might get you back on track with the folk and we are all interested with what you have to say... It's all in the way you say it. Positive posts gain positive replies.... Good luck

WarriorServant · 12-15-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel in Disguise

I've noticed where you have 'tried'... How bout rereading your posts and taking out all negatively charged words and replacing them with positive ones. Might get you back on track with the folk and we are all interested with what you have to say... It's all in the way you say it. Positive posts gain positive replies.... Good luck

What negatively charged words?

Examples?

How have I been negative?

Examples?

Also, I understand that I will hardly EVER get "positive" replies -- because a lot of the things I see about the world are HIGHLY NEGATIVE and I want people to become aware of them (even when most want to ignore the problems). I am fine if people disagree, I just want people to stay on topic and offer something intelligent for me to respond to.

Angel in Disguise · 12-15-2009, 05:48 PM

Why don't you find something constructive?... That for one is pretty condescending... And there are tons of remarks like that in your posts so I'm not about to go back to your first post and pick all of them apart to find the negatvities... Basically it could take hours... Just try and change that and you might find better responses to your posts

WarriorServant · 12-15-2009, 05:48 PM

cloud9,

I am not trying to correct people's "opinions". I am happy to let people have all the opinions they want. But a GREAT amount of people are accusing em of things I didn't do, promote or SAY. I MUST correct them so that they do not believe what ever they believed about me anymore. But people are "persisting". I tell people I am not here to discuss religion and then the same people pipe up saying how deluded church people are -- or something. What's that goe to do with me? I correct them so they might think: "Oh, I missed the point -- sorry". But no one ever does. People just keep on asserting and asserting and asserting that they don't want a Bible shoved down there mouth. That's all well and good, but where dod I ever do that?

I've got a good name for most people on this forum: Biblephobic!

12-15-2009, 08:46 PM	#8
Initiate Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 391	Re: Last Try (I suspect, in vein. Hope I am wrong.)... You obiviously refuse to answer the question so I can only assume you are here debate your right to free speach rather than share your story. Take care.

12-15-2009, 05:28 PM	#15
Céline Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,285	Re: Last Try (I suspect, in vein. Hope I am wrong.)... Ok...this is to much for me... We are in a war? all you wish to do is battle...not one word of compassion..or understanding... Many people here have tried to be understanding with you...you do not give others the same .. a member is declaring war...is being very self centered... i find this thread extremely negative...along with anything else you write... Question for moderators... Is there a way to set a member on ignore? so i do not have to read his comments or posts? i am done responding to you...you need love...if you wish to have some...pm me.

12-15-2009, 06:14 PM	#17
robyn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Rim of the World, California Posts: 58	Re: Last Try (I suspect, in vein. Hope I am wrong.)... Hmmm...many people have been to church, bible studies, read the bible, read it again, been to more church and bible studies...and chose something else. Sometimes rejecting christianity completely, sometimes holding some respect for it and those that believe in it. Can we allow people to make their own choices and respect that without insisting they listen to us telll them we have the truth and they are gone astray? I think so. I have no interest in christianity, which, along with other religions claims an exclusive on truth, but don't reject the central message of Jesus, which, of course, is heresy to christianity. That's ok, it's my choice. I was raised christian and believed it until I could no longer accept it, so I moved on -- as many others have. I have no quarrel with those that remain or convert. Each to his own best understanding of the truth. What I'm saying is, few want to discuss christianity on a non-christian forum and there's not much that can be done about it. You may want what very few here want, and that is causing, and is going to continue to cause, you great frustration. You may want to consider doing something that won't cause this frustration. All the best, Robyn

12-15-2009, 05:34 PM	#20
Céline Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,285	Re: Last Try (I suspect, in vein. Hope I am wrong.)... you are correct, monkey...i should have been more observant...and less naive.

12-15-2009, 05:37 PM	#21
Angel in Disguise Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 364	Re: Last Try (I suspect, in vein. Hope I am wrong.)... A Warrior's SERVANT... explains a lot now

12-15-2009, 05:42 PM	#22
Angel in Disguise Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 364	Re: Last Try (I suspect, in vein. Hope I am wrong.)... I've noticed where you have 'tried'... How bout rereading your posts and taking out all negatively charged words and replacing them with positive ones. Might get you back on track with the folk and we are all interested with what you have to say... It's all in the way you say it. Positive posts gain positive replies.... Good luck

12-15-2009, 05:48 PM	#24
Angel in Disguise Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 364	Re: Last Try (I suspect, in vein. Hope I am wrong.)... Why don't you find something constructive?... That for one is pretty condescending... And there are tons of remarks like that in your posts so I'm not about to go back to your first post and pick all of them apart to find the negatvities... Basically it could take hours... Just try and change that and you might find better responses to your posts

12-15-2009, 05:48 PM	#25
WarriorServant Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 209	Re: Last Try (I suspect, in vein. Hope I am wrong.)... cloud9, I am not trying to correct people's "opinions". I am happy to let people have all the opinions they want. But a GREAT amount of people are accusing em of things I didn't do, promote or SAY. I MUST correct them so that they do not believe what ever they believed about me anymore. But people are "persisting". I tell people I am not here to discuss religion and then the same people pipe up saying how deluded church people are -- or something. What's that goe to do with me? I correct them so they might think: "Oh, I missed the point -- sorry". But no one ever does. People just keep on asserting and asserting and asserting that they don't want a Bible shoved down there mouth. That's all well and good, but where dod I ever do that? I've got a good name for most people on this forum: Biblephobic!