The ego what is it? How to transcend?

Moxie · 01-04-2010, 12:58 AM

greybeard wrote:
"... when I surrendered my life to God I was lifted from the hell... I am free of many bondages and I like it that way."

Are you saying that you "tapped an unsuspected inner resource"?
Or might you define God differently? Is God within or without, interior or exterior?

Greybeard, you also wrote this: "There would be unending conflict as we would never come into agreement as to what should be created"

I would say, rather, that there are fewer choices choosing What is Right. The expression of what is right has fewer options than to go with what creates division & chaos because what is right is inclusive and not exclusive, that means it's not all about "me".

14 Chakras · 01-04-2010, 01:42 AM

We have a purpose. We are not just a bad dream. I suggest God has a purpose for us. I suggest Jesus was not lying when he said we must be reborn to inherit life eternal. I suggest that Jesus did not mean 'life until God wipes you out!'.

We are here to Be More in Oneness ~ THIS IS THE MAGICAL KEY HERE.

The human ego is born of seperation, it is born out of saying "I am this because of who I am compared to that or this." However, this is illusion. There is only One.

Oneness is not sameness. Oneness simply is reality.

Death of the ego, is not death of the I.

This is the key.

Rebirth is what happens. I stop tyinking I am this or that, and instead I just Be. I'm Light. I'm in Oneness. I see this, but I'm still BEing, I'm still I.

As we overcome ego, we are reborn at a higher level, the level of Oneness, interconnectedness. The ONLY way to get there is 'not my will but thine Be done'.

I Am not the doer, it is the consciousness within that does the work, however, I and my Father Mother are One, I Am the consciousness within.

My true identity is in Oneness, not separate.

In Oneness, the Divine Flame within me has eyes to see and ears to hear. I won't make decisions that do not benefit the whole, because the creative source within me is doing the work, and knows exactly what is within God's will, what benefits my brothers and sisters and what does not.

The key realization is that I truly AM that creative source.

As co-creators, we are either creating from our ego sense of identity that is separate, or we are creating from our enlightened identity that is in Oneness. We can't stop creating. We were created in the image of the infinite, we are creators. Hence, the world of suffering we live in ~ we've co-created it from our ego sense of identity.

I suggest key is to shift our sense of identity from the separate sense of identity, to the reality of who we are, our Divine blue print, that is in Oneness with all life.

In Oneness, we will co-create abundance for All Life, because that is our true nature ~ unconditional Love Beings.

Moxie · 01-04-2010, 02:24 AM

However, we are what we affirm we are. Affirm we are no good seperate sinners who add nothing to the whole, and guess what? That's the role we will continue to play. Affirm we are One with the infinite, we are the Christ, we are the Buddha we are the One, and this reality (because this IS reality), manifest through our Beingness until we can clearly see what was ALWAYS Truth ~ I and my Father Mother are One. - 14 Chakras

So, there IS nothing Evil, only Ignorance (of Godhood) which brings forth all that is evil & wrong....sometimes referred to as Fallen and also "evil" as in there was a "time" this transpired.

We were created Ignorant, else we'd know.
What does that say about God?
Oh, nevermind, we have free will and we misused it, it's not God's deal, I get it.

When were we Not Ignorant? (and don't go the bible story please)
When were we in conscious full awareness of who we are before we turned ignorant?

It's all speculation ...
but
many have experientials that try to explain their "turnaround" from ignorance to knowledge (which the bible say IS eternal life).

We were either created or we weren't and if we were created, we can be destroyed i.e: the ego, that which is self conscious identity.

If self conscious identity (ego) is destroyed, then we cease to be, we are all aspects of God Consciousness (which we all were anyway while we were deluded in ego...right?)
is that what everytone is saying? That what's I hear.

If it means ego death to realize God oneness ...
then it means the uncreation of your Self.
Who knows? It doesn't seem that i have anything to do with it.

How's about we center ourselves in the here and Now and
get some things changed for the better? IF you are God Conscious
what ARE you doing to manifest that? (other than profess to others that you were ignorant and now you are God Consciousness and everthing now is OK).

off to la la land... got carried away!

greybeard · 01-04-2010, 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moxie

greybeard wrote:
"... when I surrendered my life to God I was lifted from the hell... I am free of many bondages and I like it that way."

Are you saying that you "tapped an unsuspected inner resource"?
Or might you define God differently? Is God within or without, interior or exterior?

Greybeard, you also wrote this: "There would be unending conflict as we would never come into agreement as to what should be created"

I would say, rather, that there are fewer choices choosing What is Right. The expression of what is right has fewer options than to go with what creates division & chaos because what is right is inclusive and not exclusive, that means it's not all about "me".

Hi Moxie
I went to AA when I hit rock bottom and they have a 12 step program.
3rd step is.
"Made a decision to turn our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him."
Dont think God minds what name we give Him/Her.

For me God is immanent and transcendent, within and without.
The twelve step program clears all the character defects that lead to the dependence on alcohol in the first place, through dependence on God paradoxically freedom arises --- liberation.
I tried will power, I tried everything, I was in denial that I was helpless, it wasn't until the illness progressed to the suicidal stage that I had enough humility to accept the help that is always available through AA. The power of example of long time sober members of the fellowship lifted me into sobriety along with an acceptance of God.

In essence I created misery for myself and others though the illness, the power of Divinity saved me and does a day at a time till this day.
So you can see that personally the power of creation does not appeal much to me.

Though to be clear I became successful as a sportsman, musician,therapist, (Hypnotherapy, Reiki and Bio- energy) and businessman in sobriety. I am grateful for those experiences, I realize they were a gift rather than my creation. Of myself I do nothing.

Unless consciousness changes we will have the same story over and over.
The side that starts the war justifes it. Christians slaughtered people to save their souls, witches were burned for their own good.
So what one thinks of as good for others is not necessarily truly for the good of all/
God forgive them for they know not what the do. (Jesus on the cross) They are spiritually asleep, unconscious. in order to be what we truly are we need to wake up.

Even though the wave subsides into the ocean it is fully aware of its identity, (metaphor is always flawed) awareness is eternal. You must die to be born again.

I only need to know that which is necessary for my next step on the spiritual ladder so like to keep it simple.
Basically I follow those who are enlightened because they talk from experience.

As through the grace of the guru (the late Dr Goels)I have been Kundalini awakened for over ten years im taken care of. (we all are in different ways) Shiva and Shakti the male and female aspects of God are bringing me home.

Ive shared rather more of my story than I intended but I am clear of believing that I am my story, it happened then this is now.
(let my ego out to play Lol)
"I dont mind"
Chris
Namaste

Gnosis5 · 01-04-2010, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greybeard

Hi Moxie
I went to AA when I hit rock bottom and they have a 12 step program.
3rd step is.
"Made a decision to turn our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him."
Dont think God minds what name we give Him/Her.

For me God is immanent and transcendent, within and without.
The twelve step program clears all the character defects that lead to the dependence on alcohol in the first place, through dependence on God paradoxically freedom arises --- liberation.
I tried will power, I tried everything, I was in denial that I was helpless, it wasn't until the illness progressed to the suicidal stage that I had enough humility to accept the help that is always available through AA. The power of example of long time sober members of the fellowship lifted me into sobriety along with an acceptance of God.

In essence I created misery for myself and others though the illness, the power of Divinity saved me and does a day at a time till this day.
So you can see that personally the power of creation does not appeal much to me.

Though to be clear I became successful as a sportsman, musician,therapist, (Hypnotherapy, Reiki and Bio- energy) and businessman in sobriety. I am grateful for those experiences, I realize they were a gift rather than my creation. Of myself I do nothing.

Unless consciousness changes we will have the same story over and over.
The side that starts the war justifes it. Christians slaughtered people to save their souls, witches were burned for their own good.
So what one thinks of as good for others is not necessarily truly for the good of all/
God forgive them for they know not what the do. (Jesus on the cross) They are spiritually asleep, unconscious. in order to be what we truly are we need to wake up.

Even though the wave subsides into the ocean it is fully aware of its identity, (metaphor is always flawed) awareness is eternal. You must die to be born again.

I only need to know that which is necessary for my next step on the spiritual ladder so like to keep it simple.
Basically I follow those who are enlightened because they talk from experience.

As through the grace of the guru (the late Dr Goels)I have been Kundalini awakened for over ten years im taken care of. (we all are in different ways) Shiva and Shakti the male and female aspects of God are bringing me home.

Ive shared rather more of my story than I intended but I am clear of believing that I am my story, it happened then this is now.
(let my ego out to play Lol)
"I dont mind"
Chris
Namaste

Yes to the "dying". Casting off the unnecessary self.

14 Chakras · 01-04-2010, 05:18 AM

What I'm suggesting is that we are all One already. We are operating however from the illusions that we are seperate. This is what needs to die, the illusion that I am seperate from the whole. When this illusion dies, do I die? Does a cell in my body die if it knows that it is a part of my body? Does it need to fight my body and pretend it is seperate from my body in order to survive? No of course not. If the cell in my body maintains the illusion long enough that it is seperate from my body and fights my body and other cells, then it will either die itself, or eventually it will kill my body and die that way.

Now you can't kill god because truly, that's all there IS.

So in our case, and yes, you could say we're cells in God's body, we either surrender to the reality we're One, we're a part of the whole, or we keep maintaining the illusion that we are seperate from the Body of God, and eventually we die...

it's the old biblical saying from Jesus:

Those who seek to save their lives will lose them ~ meaning ~ those who seek to save their egos, and their illusions of seperation will eventually lose their opportunity to continue their evolution.

Those who seek to lose their lives for my sake will save them ~ meaning ~ those who seek to lose the illusions of seperation, the human ego, for the sake of the Christ consciousness, who they are in Oneness, rather than seperate, will save them.

Do we die when the illusion dies that we're separate from the Body of God? No. We Become More.

As all of us here, I Am still on the path, however, I have committed, made a verbal pledge actually and continue to do so daily in one way or another, to have my human ego die. I know the reality, I give all I have to God, and God (my own God Self, my own I AM Presence) gives everything it has back in return to me.

I affirm my Christhood Now as I draw down this reality into my Being, and I suggest others do the same.

We are the holy grail. Clean your cup (surrender your illusions of separation), and the blood of Christ ~ which is the Christ consciousness will be poured into your cup.

We are like babies in a womb ready to be born into our true identities...

Oneness with All that IS ~ YE ARE GODS!

greybeard · 01-04-2010, 09:14 AM

The power of prayer is phenomenal.
I use this daily.

Courtesy of Sai Baba

I am born now from the womb of sleep
I am determined to carry out all acts this day as offerings to Thee with Thee ever present before my minds eye.
Make my words thoughts and deeds sacred and pure.
Let me not injure anyone.
Let no one injure me.
Guide me direct me this day
Amen

Before sleep. after thoughts of gratitude.

The acts whose burden I placed on Thee this morning are now over.
It was You who made made walk, talk, think and act this day.
Recieve me now I am coming home to Thee.
Amen

The ego cannot survive such a prayer indefinitely and is weakened every day by it.
The prayer also dissolves karrma

I trust in God implicitly.

Sai Baba also recomended the affirmation.
"I am God"

Chris
Namaste

kriya · 01-04-2010, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greybeard

The power of prayer is phenomenal.
I use this daily.

Courtesy of Sai Baba

I am born now from the womb of sleep
I am determined to carry out all acts this day as offerings to Thee with Thee ever present before my minds eye.
Make my words thoughts and deeds sacred and pure.
Let me not injure anyone.
Let no one injure me.
Guide me direct me this day
Amen

Before sleep. after thoughts of gratitude.

The acts whose burden I placed on Thee this morning are now over.
It was You who made made walk, talk, think and act this day.
Recieve me now I am coming home to Thee.
Amen

The ego cannot survive such a prayer indefinitely and is weakened every day by it.
The prayer also dissolves karrma

I trust in God implicitly.

Sai Baba also recomended the affirmation.
"I am God"

Chris
Namaste

Beautiful affirmations Chris!!

Except for the last bit though, as the affirmation I am God in PYs view is not a correct one. If you think of God as the ocean and us as the wave, the ocean can exist without the wave, but the wave cannot exist without the ocean. So he was not keen for us to say that we are God, rather that we are children of God.

I quite often use this:

I am not a mortal being,
I am not the body,
I am a child of God.

Love,

Kriya

RedeZra · 01-04-2010, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kriya

Beautiful affirmations Chris!!

Except for the last bit though, as the affirmation I am God in PYs view is not a correct one. If you think of God as the ocean and us as the wave, the ocean can exist without the wave, but the wave cannot exist without the ocean.

how can it not be correct

when the Ocean is also the waves

when wants wishes and desires are exhausted

and free will is replaced with thy will be done

what remains

a Sage fit to be God

nothing is lost

the wave finds itself as the whole Ocean

the Sage finds himself as God

as did Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi

sure there are stages from Sainthood to Godhood

first we should strive to be saints and sages

to control the elements to do our bidding

and not be victims of circumstances

there is much good work to be done for a Man to turn into a Saint

Saints and Sages only can be called co-creators with God

God is God

regardless if we realize Him or not

greybeard · 01-04-2010, 09:12 PM

Hi Kriya RedeZra
Re quote from Kriya
"Except for the last bit though, as the affirmation I am God in PYs view is not a correct one. If you think of God as the ocean and us as the wave, the ocean can exist without the wave, but the wave cannot exist without the ocean. So he was not keen for us to say that we are God, rather that we are children of God."

I kind of take the middle ground on this.
I can see the sense of affirming something you want to be, to know, but cant get my head round saying I am God.
However the Enlightened Sage can honestly say " I am the totality all of it" ie God.
No ego no duality -- only God remains.
Love your poetic way RedeZra , please keep the words tumbling.
chris
Namaste

RedeZra · 01-04-2010, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greybeard

I can see the sense of affirming something you want to be, to know, but cant get my head round saying I am God.

thats because you are humble like me lol

greybeard · 01-04-2010, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RedeZra

thats because you are humble like me lol

You are laughing --I am laughing.
Thats what it is all about -- people can get too serious.
I love this quote
"We make plans and God laughs"

So the more we laugh the closer we get to God in my humble opinion.

Thanks RedeZra
Chris

kriya · 01-04-2010, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedeZra

how can it not be correct

when the Ocean is also the waves

when wants wishes and desires are exhausted

and free will is replaced with thy will be done

what remains

a Sage fit to be God

nothing is lost

the wave finds itself as the whole Ocean

the Sage finds himself as God

Hello love,

Without wishing to get into semantics, the ocean is the waves, but the 'wave' is not the whole ocean, only part of it. Therefore we are part of God and not God itself, the unmanifested absolute. If self-realized we become part of universal consciousness and manifest it physically, yes.

Love,

Kriya

RedeZra · 01-04-2010, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kriya

Hello love,

Without wishing to get into semantics, the ocean is the waves, but the 'wave' is not the whole ocean, only part of it. Therefore we are part of God and not God itself, the unmanifested absolute. If self-realized we become part of universal consciousness and manifest it physically, yes.

hello love too lol

what if the wave knows it is the Ocean

kriya · 01-04-2010, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RedeZra

hello love too lol

what if the wave knows it is the Ocean

Then it knows it is part of the ocean, but not the ocean itself, because only the ocean can be the ocean.

R we going round in circles, lol.

Love,

Kriya

greybeard · 01-04-2010, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kriya

Then it knows it is part of the ocean, but not the ocean itself, because only the ocean can be the ocean.

R we going round in circles, lol.

Love,

Kriya

Anyone for tennis

R to serve ---- the score----Love all.

Such friends I can do with.

Love to you both.
Chris

RedeZra · 01-04-2010, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kriya

Then it knows it is part of the ocean, but not the ocean itself, because only the ocean can be the ocean.

R we going round in circles, lol.

lol dance of the dervish

the wave is hardly a part of the Ocean

it is the Ocean undulating

is it not

14 Chakras · 01-04-2010, 10:59 PM

We are God pretending to be limited. The enlightened sage can say "I AM that I AM, I AM the whole of it" ~ True and they should, and WE can say that too right here right NOW when we connect to our own God Prescence within.

Now that being said... there is spiritual hiearchy, we are not at the top of the pyramid by any means, the creator is at the top of this pyramid of evolutions, but there is even a bigger pyramid that extends from there all the way back to the original idea of creation - the 'no thing' that is the All Ness - infinite potentiality Now.

Point is, it is good to affirm we are Oneness, we are the Christ, the Christ speaks through us, we are One with it, we it, it is us. We can affrim this.

God's saints are those that choose to Be.

However, it is important to understand, we are One with the fullness of it, but we are very simply not the fullness of the creator or of it in embodiment.

We are an individualization of Oneness here Now. We are a Divine flame, a divine momentum within the infinity of God.

I can affirm I Am that I Am, I AM One with my Father Mother, I AM the space between the atoms, I AM Purity. But there is always MORE.

I connect to spiritual hiearchy, to Oneness, I AM Oneness, not my will but thine Be done however...

We are not the fullness of the creator, we are unique flame of the creator, and we are here to grow and Be More.

But the reality is, that my "I" is the Eye of the Creator. It is true, there are many I's, but there is only one I at the top, but there are many. We make up IS.

None of this makes linear logical sense in totality, because it is spherical Truth, non-linear.

As explained already in this thread, human words do no justice to truth, they enter the realm of duality as soon as they are spoken.

This is why we must strive for the experience of reality, the experience of Truth.

The secret to doing so: know you are worthy NOW, surrender completely, ask and you shall receive. Build the momentum. Follow the Way.

You are the Son and Daughter of God. You are the Way the Truth and the Life. This is your True identity. Seek it, merge with it, BE it.

Oneness is reality, not a belief, but reality. So experience reality. This should be our goal. Samadhi.

greybeard · 01-04-2010, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

We are God pretending to be limited. The enlightened sage can say "I AM that I AM, I AM the whole of it" ~ True and they should, and WE can say that too right here right NOW when we connect to our own God Prescence within.

Now that being said... there is spiritual hiearchy, we are not at the top of the pyramid by any means, the creator is at the top of this pyramid of evolutions, but there is even a bigger pyramid that extends from there all the way back to the original idea of creation - the 'no thing' that is the All Ness - infinite potentiality Now.

Point is, it is good to affirm we are Oneness, we are the Christ, the Christ speaks through us, we are One with it, we it, it is us. We can affrim this.

God's saints are those that choose to Be.

However, it is important to understand, we are One with the fullness of it, but we are very simply not the fullness of the creator or of it in embodiment.

We are an individualization of Oneness here Now. We are a Divine flame, a divine momentum within the infinity of God.

I can affirm I Am that I Am, I AM One with my Father Mother, I AM the space between the atoms, I AM Purity. But there is always MORE.

I connect to spiritual hiearchy, to Oneness, I AM Oneness, not my will but thine Be done however...

We are not the fullness of the creator, we are unique flame of the creator, and we are here to grow and Be More.

But the reality is, that my "I" is the Eye of the Creator. It is true, there are many I's, but there is only one I at the top, but there are many. We make up IS.

None of this makes linear logical sense in totality, because it is spherical Truth, non-linear.

As explained already in this thread, human words do no justice to truth, they enter the realm of duality as soon as they are spoken.

This is why we must strive for the experience of reality, the experience of Truth.

The secret to doing so: know you are worthy NOW, surrender completely, ask and you shall receive. Build the momentum. Follow the Way.

You are the Son and Daughter of God. You are the Way the Truth and the Life. This is your True identity. Seek it, merge with it, BE it.

Oneness is reality, not a belief, but reality. So experience reality. This should be our goal. Samadhi.

In total agreement with this post 14 Chakras.
Thank you for expressing it so well and so clearly.
Chris

Indigocat · 01-05-2010, 12:52 AM

What i am going to say has probably been said before as i have not read all that is in this thread , all that really mattered to me was the question . It is a question that has been asked before on other Forums and strange how people can get so confused and angry defending the need for ego as they understand it .
What i know, i know from observing and not from the study of books ,by the study of myself and other humans .

Ego to me is a piece of ones self that has given us status in our own minds , it likes to be patted on the back for what it has learnt . When many people learn the same thing they group together for strength to up hold this ego , but inside of this is a place of stillness , because ego doesn't like to be challenged .
So to me ego holds us back from the learning , as to truly learn the most it is needed to let go of the self .
So for me to say ' i know nothing ' is a freeing place to learn ,as i let go of old patterns and welcome the new , until its purpose has been served . Namaste

RedeZra · 01-05-2010, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Indigocat

It is a question that has been asked before on other Forums and strange how people can get so confused and angry defending the need for ego as they understand it .

lol nice observation

ego is a sense of security

an identification of oneself in a diverse world

it's a basket of wants wishes duties dreams beliefs fears too

greybeard · 01-05-2010, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Indigocat

What i am going to say has probably been said before as i have not read all that is in this thread , all that really mattered to me was the question . It is a question that has been asked before on other Forums and strange how people can get so confused and angry defending the need for ego as they understand it .
What i know, i know from observing and not from the study of books ,by the study of myself and other humans .

Ego to me is a piece of ones self that has given us status in our own minds , it likes to be patted on the back for what it has learnt . When many people learn the same thing they group together for strength to up hold this ego , but inside of this is a place of stillness , because ego doesn't like to be challenged .

So to me ego holds us back from the learning , as to truly learn the most it is needed to let go of the self .
So for me to say ' i know nothing ' is a freeing place to learn ,as i let go of old patterns and welcome the new , until its purpose has been served . Namaste

Welcome Indiocat
What you say is so.
Knowing nothing is a very good place to be.

All thoughts are untrue because even before they register in consciousness they have gone through a very complex filter system in the subconscious so we are not getting even a direct experience to know. Therfore we know nothing in its pristine glory and freshness. Therfore we know nothing.

The ego stands guard at the gates of knowledge and filters out anyhing which doesnot fit with current belief system so its very difficult to "change your mind"
We look for proof that we are right ---very rarely is it proof that we are wrong that comes to our attention and acceptance.

The ego would rather die than admit it is wrong.
So that is why you are fortunate to have discovered you know nothing.
Nothing to defend.
Nothing to be right about.

There is a lot from page one on this thread that is worth a look.

Regards Chris

mudra · 01-05-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Indigocat

So to me ego holds us back from the learning , as to truly learn the most it is needed to let go of the self .
So for me to say ' i know nothing ' is a freeing place to learn ,as i let go of old patterns and welcome the new , until its purpose has been served . Namaste

I enjoyed reading your post Indigocat . It conveyed a gentle flow of peacefullness ..like a soft music played on the strings of the Heart .

Thank you
Love from me
mudra

2rivers · 01-19-2010, 08:50 PM

Indigocat: I cannot figure out how to use this forum. I have wanted to reply to your friend request and I think that I have finally done that. I finally found one of your posts and was able to send this response. As wonderful as these forums can be, they frustrate me because reading the directions hasn't helped me much.
It seems you have been offended by someone's post to you but I can't figure it out. And I honestly don't know why you friended me. I'm glad, but I wonder what drew you to me. I saw one post that you wrote about people's attitude and behavior. It is the reason I am somewhat reluctant. People pick up on a word or a phrase that pushes their own buttons and then try to make it your problem.
I have wondered how anything cohesive can be accomplished when even the people who present themselves here cannot get along. Diversity of life is a double edged sword.
Please don't give up. Just don't give energy to the nastiness. I guess here is as good as any place to practive discernment.
I am completely alone in my life. If nothing else, this is lively entertainment. Best Wishes. I tried to post within your profile area where others have posted, but I just couldn't figure it out.

mudra · 01-05-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by greybeard

In total agreement with this post 14 Chakras.
Thank you for expressing it so well and so clearly.
Chris

I second this Chris .
Reading through your post 14Chakras I perceived it as a joyfull breath of fresh air coming straight from the Heart we all share

Love from me
mudra

01-04-2010, 12:58 AM	#1
Moxie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beaver Lake, AR Posts: 402	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? greybeard wrote: "... when I surrendered my life to God I was lifted from the hell... I am free of many bondages and I like it that way." Are you saying that you "tapped an unsuspected inner resource"? Or might you define God differently? Is God within or without, interior or exterior? Greybeard, you also wrote this: "There would be unending conflict as we would never come into agreement as to what should be created" I would say, rather, that there are fewer choices choosing What is Right. The expression of what is right has fewer options than to go with what creates division & chaos because what is right is inclusive and not exclusive, that means it's not all about "me". Last edited by Moxie; 01-04-2010 at 01:02 AM.

01-04-2010, 01:42 AM	#2
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? We have a purpose. We are not just a bad dream. I suggest God has a purpose for us. I suggest Jesus was not lying when he said we must be reborn to inherit life eternal. I suggest that Jesus did not mean 'life until God wipes you out!'. We are here to Be More in Oneness ~ THIS IS THE MAGICAL KEY HERE. The human ego is born of seperation, it is born out of saying "I am this because of who I am compared to that or this." However, this is illusion. There is only One. Oneness is not sameness. Oneness simply is reality. Death of the ego, is not death of the I. This is the key. Rebirth is what happens. I stop tyinking I am this or that, and instead I just Be. I'm Light. I'm in Oneness. I see this, but I'm still BEing, I'm still I. As we overcome ego, we are reborn at a higher level, the level of Oneness, interconnectedness. The ONLY way to get there is 'not my will but thine Be done'. I Am not the doer, it is the consciousness within that does the work, however, I and my Father Mother are One, I Am the consciousness within. My true identity is in Oneness, not separate. In Oneness, the Divine Flame within me has eyes to see and ears to hear. I won't make decisions that do not benefit the whole, because the creative source within me is doing the work, and knows exactly what is within God's will, what benefits my brothers and sisters and what does not. The key realization is that I truly AM that creative source. As co-creators, we are either creating from our ego sense of identity that is separate, or we are creating from our enlightened identity that is in Oneness. We can't stop creating. We were created in the image of the infinite, we are creators. Hence, the world of suffering we live in ~ we've co-created it from our ego sense of identity. I suggest key is to shift our sense of identity from the separate sense of identity, to the reality of who we are, our Divine blue print, that is in Oneness with all life. In Oneness, we will co-create abundance for All Life, because that is our true nature ~ unconditional Love Beings. Last edited by 14 Chakras; 01-04-2010 at 02:08 AM.

01-04-2010, 02:24 AM	#3
Moxie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beaver Lake, AR Posts: 402	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? However, we are what we affirm we are. Affirm we are no good seperate sinners who add nothing to the whole, and guess what? That's the role we will continue to play. Affirm we are One with the infinite, we are the Christ, we are the Buddha we are the One, and this reality (because this IS reality), manifest through our Beingness until we can clearly see what was ALWAYS Truth ~ I and my Father Mother are One. - 14 Chakras So, there IS nothing Evil, only Ignorance (of Godhood) which brings forth all that is evil & wrong....sometimes referred to as Fallen and also "evil" as in there was a "time" this transpired. We were created Ignorant, else we'd know. What does that say about God? Oh, nevermind, we have free will and we misused it, it's not God's deal, I get it. When were we Not Ignorant? (and don't go the bible story please) When were we in conscious full awareness of who we are before we turned ignorant? It's all speculation ... but many have experientials that try to explain their "turnaround" from ignorance to knowledge (which the bible say IS eternal life). We were either created or we weren't and if we were created, we can be destroyed i.e: the ego, that which is self conscious identity. If self conscious identity (ego) is destroyed, then we cease to be, we are all aspects of God Consciousness (which we all were anyway while we were deluded in ego...right?) is that what everytone is saying? That what's I hear. If it means ego death to realize God oneness ... then it means the uncreation of your Self. Who knows? It doesn't seem that i have anything to do with it. How's about we center ourselves in the here and Now and get some things changed for the better? IF you are God Conscious what ARE you doing to manifest that? (other than profess to others that you were ignorant and now you are God Consciousness and everthing now is OK). off to la la land... got carried away!

01-04-2010, 05:18 AM	#6
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? What I'm suggesting is that we are all One already. We are operating however from the illusions that we are seperate. This is what needs to die, the illusion that I am seperate from the whole. When this illusion dies, do I die? Does a cell in my body die if it knows that it is a part of my body? Does it need to fight my body and pretend it is seperate from my body in order to survive? No of course not. If the cell in my body maintains the illusion long enough that it is seperate from my body and fights my body and other cells, then it will either die itself, or eventually it will kill my body and die that way. Now you can't kill god because truly, that's all there IS. So in our case, and yes, you could say we're cells in God's body, we either surrender to the reality we're One, we're a part of the whole, or we keep maintaining the illusion that we are seperate from the Body of God, and eventually we die... it's the old biblical saying from Jesus: Those who seek to save their lives will lose them ~ meaning ~ those who seek to save their egos, and their illusions of seperation will eventually lose their opportunity to continue their evolution. Those who seek to lose their lives for my sake will save them ~ meaning ~ those who seek to lose the illusions of seperation, the human ego, for the sake of the Christ consciousness, who they are in Oneness, rather than seperate, will save them. Do we die when the illusion dies that we're separate from the Body of God? No. We Become More. As all of us here, I Am still on the path, however, I have committed, made a verbal pledge actually and continue to do so daily in one way or another, to have my human ego die. I know the reality, I give all I have to God, and God (my own God Self, my own I AM Presence) gives everything it has back in return to me. I affirm my Christhood Now as I draw down this reality into my Being, and I suggest others do the same. We are the holy grail. Clean your cup (surrender your illusions of separation), and the blood of Christ ~ which is the Christ consciousness will be poured into your cup. We are like babies in a womb ready to be born into our true identities... Oneness with All that IS ~ YE ARE GODS! Last edited by 14 Chakras; 01-04-2010 at 05:25 AM.

01-04-2010, 09:14 AM	#7
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? The power of prayer is phenomenal. I use this daily. Courtesy of Sai Baba I am born now from the womb of sleep I am determined to carry out all acts this day as offerings to Thee with Thee ever present before my minds eye. Make my words thoughts and deeds sacred and pure. Let me not injure anyone. Let no one injure me. Guide me direct me this day Amen Before sleep. after thoughts of gratitude. The acts whose burden I placed on Thee this morning are now over. It was You who made made walk, talk, think and act this day. Recieve me now I am coming home to Thee. Amen The ego cannot survive such a prayer indefinitely and is weakened every day by it. The prayer also dissolves karrma I trust in God implicitly. Sai Baba also recomended the affirmation. "I am God" Chris Namaste

01-04-2010, 09:12 PM	#10
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? Hi Kriya RedeZra Re quote from Kriya "Except for the last bit though, as the affirmation I am God in PYs view is not a correct one. If you think of God as the ocean and us as the wave, the ocean can exist without the wave, but the wave cannot exist without the ocean. So he was not keen for us to say that we are God, rather that we are children of God." I kind of take the middle ground on this. I can see the sense of affirming something you want to be, to know, but cant get my head round saying I am God. However the Enlightened Sage can honestly say " I am the totality all of it" ie God. No ego no duality -- only God remains. Love your poetic way RedeZra , please keep the words tumbling. chris Namaste

01-04-2010, 10:59 PM	#18
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? We are God pretending to be limited. The enlightened sage can say "I AM that I AM, I AM the whole of it" ~ True and they should, and WE can say that too right here right NOW when we connect to our own God Prescence within. Now that being said... there is spiritual hiearchy, we are not at the top of the pyramid by any means, the creator is at the top of this pyramid of evolutions, but there is even a bigger pyramid that extends from there all the way back to the original idea of creation - the 'no thing' that is the All Ness - infinite potentiality Now. Point is, it is good to affirm we are Oneness, we are the Christ, the Christ speaks through us, we are One with it, we it, it is us. We can affrim this. God's saints are those that choose to Be. However, it is important to understand, we are One with the fullness of it, but we are very simply not the fullness of the creator or of it in embodiment. We are an individualization of Oneness here Now. We are a Divine flame, a divine momentum within the infinity of God. I can affirm I Am that I Am, I AM One with my Father Mother, I AM the space between the atoms, I AM Purity. But there is always MORE. I connect to spiritual hiearchy, to Oneness, I AM Oneness, not my will but thine Be done however... We are not the fullness of the creator, we are unique flame of the creator, and we are here to grow and Be More. But the reality is, that my "I" is the Eye of the Creator. It is true, there are many I's, but there is only one I at the top, but there are many. We make up IS. None of this makes linear logical sense in totality, because it is spherical Truth, non-linear. As explained already in this thread, human words do no justice to truth, they enter the realm of duality as soon as they are spoken. This is why we must strive for the experience of reality, the experience of Truth. The secret to doing so: know you are worthy NOW, surrender completely, ask and you shall receive. Build the momentum. Follow the Way. You are the Son and Daughter of God. You are the Way the Truth and the Life. This is your True identity. Seek it, merge with it, BE it. Oneness is reality, not a belief, but reality. So experience reality. This should be our goal. Samadhi.

01-05-2010, 12:52 AM	#20
Indigocat Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Uk Posts: 4	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? What i am going to say has probably been said before as i have not read all that is in this thread , all that really mattered to me was the question . It is a question that has been asked before on other Forums and strange how people can get so confused and angry defending the need for ego as they understand it . What i know, i know from observing and not from the study of books ,by the study of myself and other humans . Ego to me is a piece of ones self that has given us status in our own minds , it likes to be patted on the back for what it has learnt . When many people learn the same thing they group together for strength to up hold this ego , but inside of this is a place of stillness , because ego doesn't like to be challenged . So to me ego holds us back from the learning , as to truly learn the most it is needed to let go of the self . So for me to say ' i know nothing ' is a freeing place to learn ,as i let go of old patterns and welcome the new , until its purpose has been served . Namaste

01-19-2010, 08:50 PM	#24
2rivers Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Colorado front range Posts: 3	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? Indigocat: I cannot figure out how to use this forum. I have wanted to reply to your friend request and I think that I have finally done that. I finally found one of your posts and was able to send this response. As wonderful as these forums can be, they frustrate me because reading the directions hasn't helped me much. It seems you have been offended by someone's post to you but I can't figure it out. And I honestly don't know why you friended me. I'm glad, but I wonder what drew you to me. I saw one post that you wrote about people's attitude and behavior. It is the reason I am somewhat reluctant. People pick up on a word or a phrase that pushes their own buttons and then try to make it your problem. I have wondered how anything cohesive can be accomplished when even the people who present themselves here cannot get along. Diversity of life is a double edged sword. Please don't give up. Just don't give energy to the nastiness. I guess here is as good as any place to practive discernment. I am completely alone in my life. If nothing else, this is lively entertainment. Best Wishes. I tried to post within your profile area where others have posted, but I just couldn't figure it out.