Indigo

[2infinityandbeyond]

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[MMe M]

Originally Posted by Racsouran

even a mod don´t get what i have said... omg this sucks.i posted here in the first place without any "negative intention"... bfff

Dont dispair.

I can see your point. A paradox and an enigma do keep me guessing, always wondering. I am intruiged. I could deal with natural dilemmas, people passing on of their own accord, not because of someones personal agenda. Yes it makes for good drama, and heartache makes for good theater and novels but life is pretty harsh down here in mortal land. Charles dickens and Jayne Eyre are stellar entertainments if your not starring in the lead. I could happily putter away for the rest of my life doing what I love if money werent an issue with just a tornado hitting an empty barn every five years or so. Trow in a couple of false alarm whatevers, maybe someones cat has kittens with no hair and no tails. Thats plenty of drama for me.

I cant agree with your assesment of the non unity thing though. Even if we disagree we still must bond as a people against those that seek to make chaos and pit us against each other. When they divide us they divert our attention from the problems that need immediate attention. Its an old tactic and still being used as we have not learned, not grown as we should.

We can and should be able to speak to each other, debate issues civily and still be friends at the end of the day. Its what we must learn. Are we all guilty of being an ass now and then? Yes but we can also overcome this by being gracious to one another as well.

Regarding labels, well nothing is as it seems. We are not in the package we think we are so a label is kinda a mute point.

[Racsouran]

Originally Posted by MMe M

Dont dispair.

I can see your point. A paradox and an enigma do keep me guessing, always wondering. I am intruiged. I could deal with natural dilemmas, people passing on of their own accord, not because of someones personal agenda. Yes it makes for good drama, and heartache makes for good theater and novels but life is pretty harsh down here in mortal land. Charles dickens and Jayne Eyre are stellar entertainments if your not starring in the lead. I could happily putter away for the rest of my life doing what I love if money werent an issue with just a tornado hitting an empty barn every five years or so. Trow in a couple of false alarm whatevers, maybe someones cat has kittens with no hair and no tails. Thats plenty of drama for me.

I cant agree with your assesment of the non unity thing though. Even if we disagree we still must bond as a people against those that seek to make chaos and pit us against each other. When they divide us they divert our attention from the problems that need immediate attention. Its an old tactic and still being used as we have not learned, not grown as we should.

We can and should be able to speak to each other, debate issues civily and still be friends at the end of the day. Its what we must learn. Are we all guilty of being an ass now and then? Yes but we can also overcome this by being gracious to one another as well.

Regarding labels, well nothing is as it seems. We are not in the package we think we are so a label is kinda a mute point.

don´t worry, everything would end being as always, so boring and irrelevant.... this forum, all forums... with people ranting about primitive spiritual things, useless for me. that´s how i feel, i´ts not my fault

and me, so alone and hugely powerful at the same time, that i don´t really know how to go on properly.

here, an individual makes himself leader without acknowledge there are other persons much far advanced than him in therms of spirituality. yes, i know that to say im more advance than X is a sin, but in reality, there are beings more advanced than "x". So, if this point just stated now is nonsense, it´s nonsense to try to identifiy individuals to keep them to be sheep. At the same time, those sheep deserve to remain as sheep if they choose to buy that silly option.

I have to try to say my word, no matter what. if you ban me, ok, if you don´t like me, ok, if you don´t want to be my friend, ok, but still, the most important thing, is to say what i have to say. None of you will steal me that right. I will only use it on limited circumstances.


That´s why i am a lurker, an observer; i don´t play any role here, very aware of what i want to do here on this planet. Im far beyond all this scenerio, but curious still on what this humans want to do in this rare times.

[GoingToFast]

Originally Posted by Racsouran

don´t worry, everything would end being as always, so boring and irrelevant.... this forum, all forums... with people ranting about primitive spiritual things, useless for me. that´s how i feel, i´ts not my fault

and me, so alone and hugely powerful at the same time, that i don´t really know how to go on properly.

here, an individual makes himself leader without acknowledge there are other persons much far advanced than him in therms of spirituality. yes, i know that to say im more advance than X is a sin, but in reality, there are beings more advanced than "x". So, if this point just stated now is nonsense, it´s nonsense to try to identifiy individuals to keep them to be sheep. At the same time, those sheep deserve to remain as sheep if they choose to buy that silly option.

I have to try to say my word, no matter what. if you ban me, ok, if you don´t like me, ok, if you don´t want to be my friend, ok, but still, the most important thing, is to say what i have to say. None of you will steal me that right. I will only use it on limited circumstances.


That´s why i am a lurker, an observer; i don´t play any role here, very aware of what i want to do here on this planet. Im far beyond all this scenerio, but curious still on what this humans want to do in this rare times.

Racsouran, hasn´t it occurred to you that maby you yourself are an Indigo-child , I have been reading this thread and from what I see when I read your posts is that you fall under many of the criteria that Infinity is stating in hear original post. Racsouran turn of your computer walk out the door and out into the real world the world you can not escape from, go to the nearest Cafe´ sit down and drink a cup and just look at people.

[2infinityandbeyond]

I got a message from one of the members here earlier on and i feel that everyone could benifit from the reply i sent to her.

I would ask that one of the moderators delete all of the posts here that have gone way off topic so that this thread may become as valuable as its potential allows.

So, heres the reply.

Heya!

i know i know, labels totally suck, ive never really identified with anything myself. And i used to really hate it in school the way people used to divide themselves up into different groups. Like, in my school we had the Jocks who were good at sport, The Preps who were just good at socialising and looking good, The goths who liked heavy metal and had an affinity for black, The grunge kids who listened to nirvana and then.. there was me XD I liked sport, i liked lookin nice, i liked listening to heavy metal, I loved nirvana and so on and i just couldnt understand why people would put such limitations on themselves by assigning themselves to the "designated group" , Always seemed very restricting to me.

So, Now you know im definitly not one for labels.
But, I have done much study on this over the past years and i do know that there are people in this world who are more emotionally and spiritually evolved then what one would class as normal. These people seem to have an avid interest in spirituality from a pretty young age, and seem to shun conventional methods of doing things very early on in life.

When they are young they know before anyone else tells them that going to church just doesnt feel like the correct way to express their spirituality. They feel deep down inside of themselves that there is much more to life then meets the eye.

Unfortunatly many of these poor souls end up having very difficult lives because many of them turn to drugs and violence as a way of coping with their 'abnormal' emotional and psychological reactions to the outside world. Many end up ending their own lives in a bid to escape from the pain and never come to realise their true purpose in life. A purpose which is very important ; To help others raise the conciousness of mankind.

I will put a label on myself and i will put a label on them as a means to an end. It is the only way i can figure out to help these people, and although many will disagree with my methods i know that it works because ive helped quite a few so far.

And your visions and dreams do mean something. You are here to help save the world, you are here to drag it out of the low vibrational level that has dominated gaia for many thousands of years now. And you are very important, dont let anyone tell you otherwise. You just need to realise your true potential and get a small bit of direction. You are in the perfect position to help people who may face a life like the one you have experienced. To help wake these people up to their true spiritual essence so they can continue to carry the torch and spread their wisdom to others.

Peace and love to you sister,

Your friend

Infinity

[Sherab]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

Again, this thread is for people who are suffering serious problems in their life.


Do try to appreciate when someone is offering a helping hand here.
This thread is not to debate about indigos, it is for indigos to talk about their problems either publicly or privatly.

I am indigo and I have a problem with you trying to tell me what to post.

But seriously, I don't think that separating out indigos and how difficult their lives have been is a positive thing. Everyone has it hard in this life on this physical plane. Getting caught up in "my problems and my suffering" is a big part of what keeps us separated.

I feel that one can better use one's suffering to see how similar we all are, and therefore develop compassion for each other.

I understand that we all suffer, and that it can be beneficial to know you are not alone, but this just smacks of elitism and separation to me.

[bowspearer]

Originally Posted by Sherab

I understand that we all suffer, and that it can be beneficial to know you are not alone, but this just smacks of elitism and separation to me.

Then you seriously don't get it, and sorry to say it (as I know you're going to use it as fuel to somehow accuse me of being elitist by saying this) but you're clearly not an indigo, as you automatically want to equate being special and having a special role to play as being elitist.

Yes being an indigo is something special. Yes indigos feel they have a special destiny and hopefully they do, but that destiny is to shift the thinking of people to a more spiritually whole way of thinking and show them what really matters. Sure it makes me feel really special because of the place I'm at spiritually, but in my eyes that makes me no better or worse athan anyone else.

As someone who is more than likely an indigo, my ideal future would be one where the entire world was in a head and spiritual space of being indigo, because I know that the evil, the hate, the greed and the corruption would all be gone forever, and every law and bill would be voted on by every single citizen.

If all of that makes us seem elitist or "set apart" to you, then you might want to ask yourself what it is about the world today that got us all to a place where having that mindset and being this type of person, became the rare exception and not the rule . Then I'd suggest looking at what needs to happen internally to come and join the party .

[Jenny]

The sense of " being Special" is an ego thing.

Being special is divisive...standing out, being something special and other then human.


Anyone claiming they are special and something different are separating themselves and therefore suffering.


You cannot be anything else then YOU. And that is simple..easy...being who you are..BE.

trying to be anything special...labeling yourself with a special capacity will bring suffering.


Indigo's...stop labeling yourself and just BE...


Jenny

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Jenny

Indigo's...stop labeling yourself and just BE...

Hi Jenny.

The reason for the labeling was so that i could target people who are having specific trouble in their life who have come to realise that there are not many people out there who can relate to why they feel the way they do.

I guess i have to use this terminoligy because it is people with these specific charachteristics that i wish to help.

We all have different choices when we wish to help people. Some people wish to help cancer patients, some wish to help enlighten the dying.

I wish to help "Indigo's" And for an indigo to know their true essence is one of the greatest gifts you can give a person. Because once they are empowered they can continue to empower others.

[Swanny]

Is this the 2infinityandbeyond is the best thread???

[Jenny]

"The reason for the labeling was so that i could target people who are having specific trouble in their life who have come to realise that there are not many people out there who can relate to why they feel the way they do."



In my opinion you are having trouble with who you are.

Indigo or Special or Briljant Or Sensitive,or Psychic or shaman or Ph.D.....Plumber. carpenter.......whatever.

Blending in into the world you are born into ( out of free choice) and changing from within..who you are and what your experiences are...is all that can be expected.

BE.

Radiate Being.

Jenny

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Jenny

In my opinion you are having trouble with who you are.

On the contrare i am trying to help show others who they really are. I know who i am, i know where i come from and i know where im going.

[Jenny]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

On the contrare i am trying to help show others who they really are. I know who i am, i know where i come from and i know where im going.

Projection..is a weird thing.

helping others is a very good therapy for one's own probems.

I do not condem that ..........MARK MY WORDS! NB.

In my experience and opinion the one seeing a problem, feeling a problem and wanting to help others with likewise problems...MAY be helping him/herself in the first place and in the meantime help others.

It is a two way therapy.

Jenny

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Jenny

Projection..is a weird thing.

helping others is a very good therapy for one's own probems.

I do not condem that ..........MARK MY WORDS! NB.

In my experience and opinion the one seeing a problem, feeling a problem and wanting to help others with likewise problems...MAY be helping him/herself in the first place and in the meantime help others.

It is a two way therapy.

Jenny

I choose to help people because i know the value of being helped myself.

Of course, i have my own problems. Lots of them. But their not spiritual problems, just physical ailments.

But when i help someone else i do it for them. I do it so that when my time comes to depart this world i can look back on my life with pride that i made a difference from someones life. And i just LOVE to make people smile, its like a drug to me and i cannot explain it to someone who is not wired this way. Feels like trying to explain color to a blind man.

When i was a young child before i had lost my innocence and the spiritual essence i carried into this world i often went into the chemist with my mum. Every time i would go in the chemist would always offer me a lollypop. I would tell him "only if you give me on for my brother too" .. It wasnt long before i found out my brother done this also, except he kept the extra lollypop for himself. Yet, even though i knew this i would always keep getting him one regardless.
Why? I dont know, i get pleasure from seeing people smile.

And just because i have confidence and see myself for who i really am does not mean i am elitist. I dont feel superior to anyone. I do however feel that everyone would benifit from feeling this way, which is why i do what i do.

[Jenny]

Looking back on your life with Pride is an ego thing .

Jenny

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Jenny

Looking back on your life with Pride is an ego thing .

Jenny

No its not.

I do not understand this logic, could you elaborate please.

Ahh so now ego is the enemy, some aspects of so called "ego" are not bad. For a person to feel pride in helping others is not egotistical. It is self respect and shows a profound respect for others.

[Dantheman62]

I have to butt in here, I'm sorry Jenny but you are wrong about this ego thing, and 2IAB is right. And Jenny you're reading way to much into the label thing. If all the road signs were the same shape and size then how would you know what to do unless you label them.If you had soup cans with no labels how would you know what was in them. Labling is a way to differentiate things, not make something better or worse.And how is talking about your youth an ego problem? There is a differense between pride and ego.

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

Ahh so now ego is the enemy, some aspects of so called "ego" are not bad. For a person to feel pride in helping others is not egotistical. It is self respect and shows a profound respect for others.

I get a sense of joy for helping others, I feel no sense of pride whatsoever.
And sorry but the latter is the ego.
Your lack of knowledge about the inner and outer workings of the mind is
causing much harm, even though it's not your intention. I think this is the third
time I brought it up.

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

I have to butt in here, I'm sorry Jenny but you are wrong about this ego thing, and 2IAB is right.

Can you maybe elaborate a little more then that... lol?

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

And Jenny you're reading way to much into the label thing. If all the road signs were the same shape and size then how would you know what to do unless you label them.If you had soup cans with no labels how would you know what was in them. Labling is a way to differentiate things, not make something better or worse.

Sorry but you are not looking into it deep enough.
And your examples are pointless as you are comparing man made physical objects to us. I already pointed out the danger of the labeling in this thread beforehand so I won't say it again.

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

And how is talking about your youth an ego problem?

Doesn't that depend wholly on what is is that the person is saying?

[Dantheman62]

I don't need to elaborate more, she's wrong and he's right, simple. Labels are just simply a way to differentiate things, human or not. I would take pride in helping a little old lady across the street and feel the joy also. I don't think looking back on your life with pride is an ego thing. Don't get me wrong now, I'm really a cool person and don't mean anything personal by this at all, just my two cents, and now I'm out of money,LOL!

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Phtha

I get a sense of joy for helping others, I feel no sense of pride whatsoever.
And sorry but the latter is the ego.
Your lack of knowledge about the inner and outer workings of the mind is
causing much harm, even though it's not your intention. I think this is the third
time I brought it up.

Pride can mean many things, it only takes a quick glance at the dictionary to realise this.
When i say pride im refering to this definition ;

pride :

2. Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association:

-not- this ; 5. An excessively high opinion of oneself; conceit.

There are many different meanings to many of the words in the english dictionary. You cannot argue a point on one word unless you are aware of the definition that was intended.

And you will also notice that the words 'pride' and 'joy' are very much intertwined ;

Joy :

To take great pleasure; rejoice.


Notice the similarities?

Remember, before embarking on an argument you should first make an effort to understand what definition was intended when it was incorporated into a conversation.

[Dantheman62]

Clap,clap,clap.

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

Pride can mean many things, it only takes a quick glance at the dictionary to realise this.
When i say pride im refering to this definition ;

pride :

2. Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association:

-not- this ; 5. An excessively high opinion of oneself; conceit.

There are many different meanings to many of the words in the english dictionary. You cannot argue a point on one word unless you are aware of the definition that was intended.

And you will also notice that the words 'pride' and 'joy' are very much intertwined ;

Joy :

To take great pleasure; rejoice.


Notice the similarities?

Remember, before embarking on an argument you should first make an effort to understand what definition was intended when it was incorporated into a conversation.

I'm not knocking the dictionary but it teaches the same stuff we learn in public de-education institutions, it only scratches the surface of things.
Its exoteric knowledge as opposed to esoteric.
Look those two words up if it pleases you,
because they pretty much explain the method of our manipulation to a tee.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Phtha

I'm not knocking the dictionary but it teaches the same stuff we learn in public de-education institutions, it only scratches the surface of things.
Its exoteric knowledge as opposed to esoteric.
Look those two words up if it pleases you,
because they pretty much explain the method of our manipulation to a tee.

My main point is this ; Human kind will not advance until they recognise that yes each one of us is different. It is not our differences that divide us, it is our lack of love and respect for one another that keeps us at war.
To say that we are all the same is to turn our backs to the truth. We are all different, but no person is in any way superior to another. They may be better, but that is something that should be recognised. I believe that if Jesus did walk this earth he was better then me, and i will strive to be like him.

But if i do not admit that he was a better person then me i would completely lack the incentive to work towords attaining his way of being.

To say that being positive and loving is not better then being negative and hatefull can be debated on many fronts.

Holding low vibrational emotions literally deteriorates the human body. This is how cancer and many other diseases are cultivated.

Love is a proven healer. We all know this, we know the bilogical and chemical changes we feel in our body when we feel love and acceptance. This is joy, and its an awesome feeling that makes us feel truly alive.

To say one is better then another is not to claim one is superior. If somone wishes to advance along with the flow of the universe then he must first recognise that which is better then him and take action in order to progress in this direction. Getting angry and defensive is only putting roadblocks in ones own path.

Each persons difference is an expansion unto ourselves and must be met with love and acceptance.

If there are indigos, and if they are more evolved spiritually then other people big deal. This should be recognised and they should be loved for their difference. And these people didnt come into this world to argue, they came to show everyone a better way of being.

But then again, history may not have changed much.

Anyone remember that guy named Jesus who tried to help everyone.. what happened him again..?

See my point. People dislike being told that they are responsible for not only their own lives but for everyone elses. We each influence at least 100 other people as we go through different stages of our lives. Its our responsibility to come to the awareness that we are not living up to our potential and only when we come to this realisation can we take the neccesary steps to change this so that we can become something better.

Labels are neccesary. Until we develop telepathic communication we must use labels. Every word that comes out of our mouth is a label. "His eyes are blue", i just used a label ('blue') to describe the frequency of light that reflects off 'his' eyes. Not only that but i used a label to describe the biological organ which is composed of millions of bacteria and mini organisms that gives him the ability to convert light energy into an image which in turn can be recognised by his brain.

Just because the eye can process light into images does not mean it is superior to the ear. It just means it is better at its job. And when both work together they become an effective form of navigation in this physical world.

Dont be arguing over indigos, aknowledge their existance and try too work with them.

Namaste

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Phtha

Sorry but you are not looking into it deep enough.
And your examples are pointless as you are comparing man made physical objects to us. I already pointed out the danger of the labeling in this thread beforehand so I won't say it again.

Ok, i can only make my point clear by using metaphors ;

Labeling cans is different from labeling people, this much goes without saying for labeling the latter has much broader consequences some of them negative but you must not forget that some of them are also positive.

We do not label someone who is black a .. you know what, i dont wish to say it.
And the reason we do not do this is because it shows a complete lack of respect towords the person you are labeling. And this indeed causes friction.

Now there are instances where labeling is acceptable. If we did not label people with skitzophrenia then we would not be in a conveniant position to treat these people.

Now, your telling me that the use of labels is dangerous. This is a massive generalisation. Its close to saying driving cars is dangerous and we should not do it. There are some instances where driving a car can be dangerous but not always. And the pro's of driving a car far outweigh the cons.

I am saying that labeling people under certain circumstances can be benificial. Are you really saying that this is not true.

This subject is far more vast then to just throw a generalisation around it and call it dangerous. We are all adults here and are aware of the consequences of how we use our words and in what context.

Intent is the key word here.

- You may be a moderator here but that does not mean you are always right. Wether 18 or 80 we grow old as soon as we stop learning.

I would like to discuss this with you further, but i dont appreciate you stamping your opinion as if it is law. I am an adult and i will use labels and generalisations where i feel they are constructive. You telling me i cannot do this is a true sign of ego.

[Circlewerk]

Whatever you learn through psychoanalysis or self-observation is about you. It is content, not essence. Going beyond ego is stepping out of
content (Indigo).
Knowing yourself is being yourself, and being yourself is ceasing to identify with content.

With loving energy~
CW