David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters

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[Egg]

Its not physical shape shifting, its the simple falling away of their very careful and highly advanced camouflage.

However, they are out there, and no one in their right minds wants to meet one face to face.

[gwynned]

Originally Posted by End_Times012

I don't recognize a lot of the people in my dreams. Almost as if I'm having someone else's dreams.

I think this is in essence what Icke is saying. We ARE someone else's dream, or, in the current scenario, nightmare. But unplugging from the matrix, and gaining back our own dreams, involves confronting our deepest fears and often leaving behind people we love. This is something Icke spoke about in Santa Clara recently.

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[davefla73]

Originally Posted by whitecrow

Sometime in the 80s I happened to casually look over at a guy and see him change reptile-to-human right in front of me. I was, needless to say, amazed. It's true that I was probably smoking some good weed at the time. It's also true that this was before I'd ever heard of reptilians or shape-shifters. And it's also true that I never hallucinated in my life while smoking mota, unless it was this once.

I first heard of David Icke probably ten years ago. I never read one of his books until this year...I just finished Children Of The Matrix. I confess I don't know what to make of it. His theories are plausible, in a weird way - at least in their main points. Like Carlos Castaneda, it would be easy to dismiss him as delusional. But I remind myself of what I saw in Texas in the 80s, and ask myself to what degree we are all delusional.

Last year a psychic told me I was Anunnaki. That's reptilian, isn't it? A strange thought. But I've had that "stranger in a strange land" feeling ever since birth, I believe - my conscious memories don't go quite that far back.

My karma ran over my dogma many years ago.

I wouldnt beleave what these so called psychics say they are mostly BS the few that are any good are few and far between. and if you were UI of a drug i wouldnt give much credit to what you were seeing the mind will play tricks on you everytime!

[fawziya]

Has anyone researched what Dan Burish, Thomas Castello, Phil Schneider, Credo Mutwa has said about reptilian-type creatures?

Anybody noticed how prevalent reptile-type creatures (dragons & such) are so common in myths & legends in all cultures throughout time? Look at various historical relics (pics, statues, mozaics, jewelry, paintings, etc.). How many are dragon or reptile oriented.

The symbol for the medical profession consists of two intertwining snakes!

[Blisstasista]

Originally Posted by fawziya

Has anyone researched what Dan Burish, Thomas Castello, Phil Schneider, Credo Mutwa has said about reptilian-type creatures?

Anybody noticed how prevalent reptile-type creatures (dragons & such) are so common in myths & legends in all cultures throughout time? Look at various historical relics (pics, statues, mozaics, jewelry, paintings, etc.). How many are dragon or reptile oriented.

The symbol for the medical profession consists of two intertwining snakes!

My thoughts exactly

[Antonia]

On the subject of reptilians.... I answerd a thread where the question was asked about the "Fallen Ones" in the bible... maybe being able to pose as light beings in crafts and land and fool us... I've cut and pasted my take on it which is to do with reptillians (The Draco)

To answer this the answer is yes... There are renegade factions in from the pleiadian sector as well Sirious.... and Draco.. as well as highly eveolved light beings and physical beings of extremely high intent who are watching us and helping us in ways that doesn't interfear with our group consiousness evolution...The main groupe that ,if my understanding is correct, the fallen ones refers to is ("The decent in to third dimentional matter") is a group from Orion who somehow lost their Kundalini DNA blood fire... which is some sort of light implosion in our DNA maitrix which is activated through emotion and compassion. This is our "soul" energy... I have read that they lost this soul fire and in this their souls and have tried to remain imortal in third and fourth dimensions through technolegy...and the ingestion of an alchimical substance made form powderd gold...That they came to earth to mine... they live for sometimes hundreds of thousands of years... they can not asscend in to the higher dimentions. There is a whole process of Enki (Who's mother was a reptilian Orion Queen) mixing his kundalini fire infused DNA with the human worker they bred to mine the gold. Becuase not all Draco lost their soul infussed DNA, just the fallen ones... as we humans are a mixture of I think 22 alien races...with our main frames reptilian...we carry the DNA of the suoless ones ( Enlil/Yaweh was one of the souless ones) as well as those with Kundalini fire in thier DNA. The Dracco's with soul were broken hearted at the loss of their fallen brothers but saw them as a lost cause.. The fallen ones have been trying to recapture their soul energy by eating human flesh and drinking our hormone soaked blood in order to try and ingest our kundalini... (Hurmones are linked to emotion which is the key to this soulfire )and regain their soul energy... They are now trying to storm the higher dimentions through technolegy... but our emotions are vital to the Dracco..and we radiate back our emotions through our Enki DNA to the Dracco who are not the fallen ones... as well as other races who have infused their DNA codes in to ours.This is powerfull to them in that the love and empathy as well as the fear and pain we feel is absorbed and experianced by them..

The fallen ones need to keep us in the vibration of fear as it keeps them charged and it keeps us anchored in the third dimention ... and in their controle. they feel as they engenered us ,that we are their posesion... We can escape them and the third dimention by the asscention process.... But yes they can appear as beings of light on the astral plains and there is supposedly a fake renigade Ashtar command or Galactic federation that is dark posing as light..as well as a genuine galactic council . I personally would not board the first ships that land... Even with a Jesus him self on bord.. Suppsed plan for holographic projection jesus/ bhudda et all... Then there is the fact that the fallen ones need to keep us here in third dimention to keep trying to capture our soul energy. They were on this planet before us and view it as theirs... Which is understanable. We have needed thier negitiive pull and fear vibrations to pull us in to the deep 3D experiance and so really awaken our soul energy by finally transmuting fear and understanding the dark. When we finally awaken our Enki soul fire...or Kundelini and riase it through our crown chakera's and ignite our true blazing heart energy... We have completed our mission and completed the earth experament succesfully, the whole galaxy and universe is affected...

Earth is in a veryi mporatant position and by showing that all these diiffernt spieces DNA can finally asssend to higher and higher dimentions until we are all co-creating universes together/ How we elvolve on Earth will affect all the speices back where ever they are in the universe.. Mass exudus in ET Ships would be like aborting the mission.... mass inervention or rapture up in to space ships is not the solution and I believe it would halt our evolutionary process... I think we need to want to go down with this ship (Earth) in order to vibrationally go up. The bible story of the fallen angels doesn't tell the half of it... and the old testament was written by followers of Enlil any way... So it will be pretty deceptive and biast against Enki and not very liberal with the truth... but each faction even the dark Reptillian one, is doing what it believes it needs to do... Even the illumanati believe they are the only ones who are smart enough to rule the earth and it's their job. "The trouble with the devil is he doesn't know he's the Devil...he thinks he's God", ...

I am fascinated to think how so many different agenda's with different sought out comes are all comming together and cullminationg in something amaizing if we Earth humans/mungrel/living united-nations of a spieces who is the key to some sort of universal evolution do succeed. Hell may litteraly freeze over as they say as we just might, with out realising it, bring the dark ones back in to the light and help them regain their soul fire by accepting unconditional love.... or there is a possiblity of a lot of people and tyranical entities being trapped in third and lower astal dimentions . Not so good for any of us or them....Only they don't realise that. But it's hard to know who's who and who to trust? I certainly am with you there... any how all that I have just said is what I've come to understand it's just one perticular take on the whole thing ... I hope I have been of some help... even if you want to diisagree with my view... it will polorize your own views and ideas.... As long as we are al lthinking and asking questions... we are getting somewhere...
Keep asking questions and keep those amaizing hearts of yours blazzing...

I also have a familly blood line that is deeply reptillian and RH Neg blood... I have a spirit guide or a connection with a reptillian being who is female and gives me amaizing advice and her vibration is full of love and healing intent for me her and the whole mess we are slowely getting our selves out off... I was weary about her at firsr but she has proved to be of the utmost integrety and high intension...I had read all the David Ike books so I presumed that all reptilians were dark and bad... but I had the fascination with them I would imagine due to my DNA...that i was an easy canditit for controle... I thought OMG... here's one trying to cagole and fool me... I was gobsmacked when I read all that she had told me later in pages by a guy called Dan Winter ... and Steweret Swedlow.and the website Temas Paraciencia. She said she was from an ancient Dragon mother goddess cult back on Orion and had been working with my soul for many life times and felt like some sort of maternal link thruogh DNA... She was working at healing a rift through the tiny black holes or interdimentional links in the crystiline maitrix of both our human and reptilian DNA wich linked experiance and emotions....

She absorbed my emotional expeariances and in return sent me wisdon and explination of the universe and struggles between Dark and light polarities...

She explianed our quest here on Earth to transmute the Dark and raise the vibration was imperitive not just for us here on Earth but for this entire section of the universe... any how so much she told me and then when I went on to open books and web-pages and read all she told me, was so exciting, as I thought thank God...Im not going mad and imagining her......

here's some pages of interest
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...anwinter08.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...anwinter05.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...anwinter07.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...anwinter09.htm
http://www.light1998.com/OSIRIS/Blac...t-of-Orion.htm


Then I watched a video by a guy called George Kavassilias... I think called galactic federation of light... (Yes one one of the many!!!! real and not real)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kPs8tYvSG4

and this seemed to back upa lot of the info and explain...what went on way before humans were in the universe... And why the reptillians think they are the main event... not us etc...


hope this can shed some light... and you can make upyour own minds


peace Love and Lght Antonia

[samncheese]

There are reptilians here, they would like to think they are in power. They do have a power base here but there are other groups here that dispute thier claim. This is a planet that many desire to have ownership over.

Do to the law that governs worlds on a higher level these groups can only do somuch in interfering with our progression. Sort of a Prim derective idea. It is more complex then this but in a nut shell that is it. The real factor in this is to see if we the humans of Earth will grow to govern ourselves in peace, and grow into higher energy beings in the near future. Well that is my 2cents...

Peace be With you.

My view on the Draconians is that they are very dominent and operate with a different soul construct than humans and for you people living in denial..it's quite pathetic because there is so much evidence out there but people will find out sooner or later(probably in 2010)

[martina]

I have to go to all is said here, but that which is written on page one, I can agree with.
my english is not so good, but I like to say something nevertheless.
I have also read this and that and heard a lot of things in my life and this is my picture now (very short and poorly):

Maybe a million years ago there was a fight between de dark-aliens and the light site. Lucifer was the first "son"of God and had a task to be the opposite of God or something that cause a move in the universe, an evolution if you will.
Anyway, Lucifer thought (or had to) he was god and had to be the dark = "wrong" site. He want the whole universe to be his. So also us.
Because the war between light and dark was endless, they made an agreement.
The dark site could have us, if we allow oneself to be let astray.
So when we (our bodies) were made (by peacful, intelligent creatures, maybe million years ago), the creatures of Lucifer (reptilians) began to manipulate our brains, so we could not remember who we where, where we came from and where we go to, if we die and also lost our ability to communicate with higher beings, our makers, our ancestors essentially.
Becouse Earth is a place where everything may happen, a place of freewill, many alien races could interfere with us. (our bodies and DNA are created out of 22 different alien races, capabel to bear a human-light soul).
The reason that the reptilians manipulated our DNA, was to let us forget our souls, our abilities, our ancestors and god, to became easy controllable slaves.
Then they make religions for us (by the way, the Jesuits are behind allmost every religion, also the Islam): we had to worship a god outside of us and we must feel weak, helpless, guilty, etc. instead find god in ourself, the god of which we are part of, our ultimate, eternal source.
Many reptilians went under ground because the climate on Earth is to cold and others left this planet.
We where bussy with religions, wars (the brains they left us with, are constructed to have fear, survival/animal instincts, anger, etc).
The reptilians learned us we needed money, wealth, etc., they set us against each other.
Finaly, they made us being dependent on money, technique, computers.
All by means of temptation, to controlle the whole world.
And the leaders of the world have a special bloodline (reptilian?) that made them easily belief Lucifer is there god. The are very fond of sex, cruelty, money and power.
I think, they are completely influenced by the reptilians, reptilian-possessed.

Jesus and others came here to remeber us who we are and were we life for, what our purpose is, but many things in the Bible is manipulated, so we still have to belief that God is outside us, but Jesus told that we are gods and that we are able to do things He could and more.

And now we are in the time we definitively must chose : this world we are prisoned in, the 3th dimension, with our feelings of separation, which give us fear and anger, this matrix of illusion.
Or feeling united in the higher dimensions and beings of light and hapiness, without fear an anger.

[Celtic_Man]

My guess is Icke's Reptilians are more of a metaphor for the globalist elite than a literal reality. Some claim Icke is actually talking about immigration into the UK. It's a crime in the UK to openly critique Muslims for example. 1984.

Anyway, the Globalist elite and Reptiles have many traits in common metaphorically.

-Cold Blooded
-Lack of emotion and empathy
-Behavior is more focused on being ruthless and amoral.

Especially true for large Reptiles such as Crocs and Komoto Dragons.

[isotelesis]

Originally Posted by Celtic_Man

My guess is Icke's Reptilians are more of a metaphor for the globalist elite than a literal reality. Some claim Icke is actually talking about immigration into the UK. It's a crime in the UK to openly critique Muslims for example. 1984.

Anyway, the Globalist elite and Reptiles have many traits in common metaphorically.

-Cold Blooded
-Lack of emotion and empathy
-Behavior is more focused on being ruthless and amoral.

Especially true for large Reptiles such as Crocs and Komoto Dragons.

It's also a crime to openly critique Jews in some parts of the world. Many who criticize Islam do not really have a sophisticated understanding of the multifaceted faith. Catholics don't need to send missionaries around the world telling people how to live when they can't get the basics down themselves. If only it was considered polite to talk down to the less spiritually evolved members of the human race. The Celts/Druids practiced human sacrifices, lets teach them a lesson, right? It should be legal to lower the self-esteem of people who practice Paganism.

[cway]

David Icke Interview 20th Dec 2008
http://journeyswithrebecca.com/jwr8/jwr8_dec20aa.mp3
http://journeyswithrebecca.com/jwr8/jwr8_dec20bb.mp3

[Barron]

To Doom.

Reptilian Aliens are real. And contrary to popular belief, they are not all what one would term "negative" or having solely their own agenda and interests at heart. There is plenty of variety.

Although, i do not expect my saying they are real will alter your beliefs Doom and perhaps even after physically seeing one, you would still not believe. And that is okay.

[Antonia]

There are some amaizing Christed beings who are reptilian.... Ra him self was a reptilian great military commander (yes Ra of the Law of one)... He changed evolved and was taught peace by great Sirian cat beings.... There is talk that the Three Orion Queens (Once fierce domminat cosmic conquistedors) have had a few hundred thousand years to evolve spiritually.. there is an amizing comming together of many entities and beings from all over the universe at the moment and the nasty reptilians and they do exist ,are no more nasty then the nasty humans who do thier biddings.. The human being has the capacity to feel such love yet still be responsible for some of the cruelist acts ever seen in this galaxy.... The nasty renegade reptillians have lost their ability to feel such extreme emotion or empathy so tell me who is the more dangerous or contrived being here?

Yet we humans have Enki 's reptilian mothers sacred Ptaa taal kundalini soul fire in our blood... that's why we are so special and powerfull... being the mongrels that we are 22 different alien blood DNA matrixes flow through our viens we are so important in this universal asscention that is about to take place...... "reptilians aren't just for Christmass, their for life" so take one home and love one today"...Joke.... but hey there are many who are on our side..... It's a pitty that the nasty guys got to our military... but don't trust all the blond Nordics either.... some of them aren't what thay seem...

But I dismiss no one at this point.... my soul is ancient Orion in origin but has been on Earth a long time.... and we earthies if we stick together... are soverign amaizing beings even the unawakened.... The secret is that our souls are totally free and no one can control our soul unless we invite them to..... if we stick togther in pure love... we can change more then this planet.... Even Lucifer can be brought in to the love and out of dueality with enough loving intent on our part.... There is no seperation at the end ...

The negitive ones work on mind controle and are advanced in this technolagy... Lets counter ballance this with heart controle... zap their dwindiling heart chakra energy with pure violet/pink/golden and white light.... Blue cosmic rays.... even shiney velvety black infused with unconditional love as black is absorbed and cant be reflected or diflected... send them dark colors so's they attach and resignate but resinate with such passion and love that their hearts begin to glow again and feel compasion.... then the brighter light will start to attach.... send this energy gently un intrusivly...as intrusive zapping is a negitave action .... try more of a sort of Knock Knock.... Hi ... do you fancy trying a bit of this my dear one?? They can always say **** off... but even the interaction brings the thought to thier head and the enrgy lifts.... Never fear them.... They are allaspects of the prime creator.... as loved and important as any of us.... Peace to you all Antonia

[piers2210]

As I was listening today to the mid-2007 Coast-to-Coast radio show hosted by Rense with Credo Mutwa and David Icke (fascinating stuff), it is clear to me from what Credo was saying that these muti dimensional creatures do exist and obviously look very different from us when not in human form....i have never heard someone so powerful as Credo Mutwa.

But we're going to have to get used to "other forms" as we move form this planet to other galaxies or dimensions, so we've got to get past this "fear" of them....

much like you should not be prejudiced against someone of a different colour on this planet, we all have the same basic DNA, we were just raised differently. If we can't even accept the "look" of other humans how will we be able to accept the look of "other beings"?

As Icke said at the end of the broadcast, if you think "fear", it will materialise (he was referring to whistleblowers who said they feared for thier lives after they gave witness statements)...Icke said these whistleblowers often did indeed subsequently die because they "manifested" this event - Icke's view was in response to a question from a listener who asked if he felt "fearful for his life" because of what he was doing. Big Dave emphatically said "no" - because he doesn't "think fear".

Having said that, the first non-human i see should preferably be in a form which will relax me (!)...like happened to Jodie Foster in "Contact"

Credo said the mass media is trying to soften us for the revalation that these reptilians exist..he said he had personally seen the reptilian from the star wars movie in africa and said it was SO precise in its colouring and appearance that someone MUST have actually known about this reptilian look.....his wife had pointed the star wars advertisement out to him in a paper saying "there's the reptilian we have seen in africa -its being used in star wars!" - and Mutwa was amazed.

[KathyT]

I just want to know why we don't have any good pictures of the reptilians and shapeshifters. After all, the paparazzi are all over the place, and many people have either cam recorders or cell phone recorders and cameras.

It seems like we can easily get all sorts of other pictures around the world, but I have yet to see a picture or video of a reptilian that I think is real.

[K626]

Originally Posted by KathyT

I just want to know why we don't have any good pictures of the reptilians and shapeshifters. After all, the paparazzi are all over the place, and many people have either cam recorders or cell phone recorders and cameras.

It seems like we can easily get all sorts of other pictures around the world, but I have yet to see a picture or video of a reptilian that I think is real.

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Originally Posted by piers2210

As I was listening today to the mid-2007 Coast-to-Coast radio show hosted by Rense with Credo Mutwa and David Icke (fascinating stuff), it is clear to me from what Credo was saying that these muti dimensional creatures do exist and obviously look very different from us when not in human form....i have never heard someone so powerful as Credo Mutwa.

I don't suppose you have a link to that do you? I've gone through the C2C archives and can't find it.

Cheers

Thanks Kathleen

[orthodoxymoron]

It is more believable to me that someone can be possessed by a demonic/reptillian entity...and that under certain circumstances...such as during a satanic ritual...the demonic/reptillian entity can become visible. But...perhaps good people have demonic/reptillian entities attached to them...who are trying to exhaust, deceive, corrupt, and destroy them. The difference might be that the evil person has the demonic/reptillian entity inside of them...or in control of them...while the good person has the demonic/reptillian entity attacking them from the outside...and not in control of them. Has anyone analyzed the DNA of an alleged reptillian/human? Where's CSI Area 51 when you need them? Oh, they're checking out sub-floors 9-11. They're looking for remote controls! I have a hard time believing that the physical body of a human/reptillian actually changes physical shape. The reptillians and grays seem to be very creepy and dangerous. I'd rather take my chances with a beautiful female Pleiadian alien...who has the hots for me! That would be out of this world! Beam me up, Sweetie!

This video was a huge piece of the jigsaw for me. Part two is also out there on youtube, but parts 10 and 12 are missing.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...w&q=peggy+kane

I won't say enjoy, but give it full consideration- I believe there is a LOT of truth here.

Blessings

[orthodoxymoron]

Do they find Reptillians in crashed UFO's? I keep hearing about and seeing Grays. Where are the photos of Reptillians? All I have seen is drawings...and the alleged Reptillian clobbered and captured by Dr. Reed in Washington State. Would it be possible to genetically engineer 'aliens' from genetic stock found here on Earth? What if what we are really dealing with is 1. Humans with Souls(Us!). 2. Reptillian Non-Physical Entities(Them!). 3. Genetically Engineered 'Aliens' Possessed with Reptillian Non-Physical Entities? How much of the alien phenomenon is genuinely from outer space...and how much is manufactured right here on Earth? Are the genetics labs in the Deep Underground Military Bases producing bodies for the Non-Physical Reptillian Entities? Are particle-accelerators used to transfer Non-Physical Reptillian Entities into Created Gray Aliens and into Human Beings? Is timetotelltheworld onto something? This stuff is giving me a headache!