Possible deep insider on another forum right now.

He really is pushing my buttons this guy (well I presume its a guy)

quote:
I will decide whether or not I am either willing or permitted to answer your question. If your question is not answered, it is either because I cannot disclose it, or because I considered your question was lacking in one or more of the following: respect, courtesy, intelligence, decency, or that it was otherwise unworthy of being dignified with a response.

His kidding isn't he, please tell me his kidding.

[Antaletriangle]

Originally Posted by Tuza

He really is pushing my buttons this guy (well I presume its a guy)

quote:
I will decide whether or not I am either willing or permitted to answer your question. If your question is not answered, it is either because I cannot disclose it, or because I considered your question was lacking in one or more of the following: respect, courtesy, intelligence, decency, or that it was otherwise unworthy of being dignified with a response.

His kidding isn't he, please tell me his kidding.

After reading this, well,last page now i find it very informative and rings a true bell in many areas.It's all about positive service to each other,thanks for the post again JOGY

Hidden hand quote:
"Thank you. We are aware of Project Camelot. They are doing some remarkable work. Though I was not aware they also have a forum, if that's what you are suggesting? Not really my area usually, dealing with the internet. In fact I rarely have time to even venture onto it. I have quite enjoyed this time of relating to others over "cyber-space".


Well, if you're game for an "assignment", or maybe someone else if you haven't the time, I would be happy for someone to collate this topic (minus the "interruptions") so that the message appears with just the actual flow of questions and answers, and post it there in one piece, if you so desire. As I mentioned before, I chose ATS as I was reliably informed that it is one of the forums with a higher rate of intelligence and reasoning amongst it's members. On the whole, from my experience here, I would tend to agree.
Though if you think it would be of value to Camelot, by all means you are most welcome to spread this message. The more people it can reach, the better."

[arcora]

Originally Posted by Antaletriangle

After reading this, well,last page now i find it very informative and rings a true bell in many areas.It's all about positive service to each other,thanks for the post again JOGY

Hidden hand quote:
"Thank you. We are aware of Project Camelot. They are doing some remarkable work. Though I was not aware they also have a forum, if that's what you are suggesting? Not really my area usually, dealing with the internet. In fact I rarely have time to even venture onto it. I have quite enjoyed this time of relating to others over "cyber-space".


Well, if you're game for an "assignment", or maybe someone else if you haven't the time, I would be happy for someone to collate this topic (minus the "interruptions") so that the message appears with just the actual flow of questions and answers, and post it there in one piece, if you so desire. As I mentioned before, I chose ATS as I was reliably informed that it is one of the forums with a higher rate of intelligence and reasoning amongst it's members. On the whole, from my experience here, I would tend to agree.
Though if you think it would be of value to Camelot, by all means you are most welcome to spread this message. The more people it can reach, the better."

So a little flattery and some go running to take advice from reptilians?

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by arcora

So a little flattery and some go running to take advice from reptilians?

you might be shocked one day to find out,
you have "one" dna strand, and, it is "reptilian"

how you play that "one" strand,
makes all the difference in the world

as long, as you, have "charge" or "issue" with something
you will never transcend it

love
susan
the eXchanger

[samncheese]

It doesn't matter what DNA anyone has, that is elitism. It is what is in your heart that matters. Not all reptiles are bad, not all humans are good.

peace be with you

[arcora]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

you might be shocked one day to find out,
you have "one" dna strand, and, it is "reptilian"

how you play that "one" strand,
makes all the difference in the world

as long, as you, have "charge" or "issue" with something
you will never transcend it

love
susan
the eXchanger

And you may be shocked one day to find out that it isn't only humans who lie, and captors have no interest in teaching captives how to escape.

[Knightbk]

More **** for the sheeples to believe in.


Wake up people. This isn't real.

We are in a cyclical downturn. It isn't the end of the world.

Sick of fear? Then stop scaring yourselves with this stupid ****. God.

[Jogy]

Originally Posted by Knightbk

More **** for the sheeples to believe in.


Wake up people. This isn't real.

We are in a cyclical downturn. It isn't the end of the world.

Sick of fear? Then stop scaring yourselves with this stupid ****. God.

If you read it carefully you could read there is nothing at all to be afraid of. The ones trying to destroy our soul-energy needs the people to be scared withless for it to work and what he is saying is counterproductive for the said goal.

[Fredkc]

ok, Veni Vidi, took some notes.

Now, it was really my first day reading over at the ATS forum, so I don't have a feel, or a sense of what the place is like.

First thing that struck me was this li'l bit. and I have only read of this in two places. See what ya think:

@ ATS:
There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as the time of the Great Harvest approaches. You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater.

And then there is....

@ Camelot, G. Green interview:
KC: But, there’s going to be like solar flares, it’s...
GG: Solar flares - that’s just energy coming out. Remember the sun works on this, it’s putting out frequency of light. When the light hits something, the atoms start to vibrate which creates the heat.
KC: Right.
GG: Doesn’t create it at the sun.
KC: But, what I’m talking about is that what they’ve been talking about coming, to hit this, you know, to hit the Earth, and so on, are the solar flares that are going to make life very uncomfortable and...
GG: That’s part of it. That’s the reason why we start looking at the underground facilities or something close to that.

GG: [Shows photographs of domes.] Now you have something that - the structure will be able to withstand 340 mph winds that are coming... that will be coming to us. This structure here, you can heat it with about ten hundred-watt light bulbs. So, you don't have any energy use.

The biggest problem with these units, at this minute, is that since the air is basically stagnated, you have to have circulating of the air and then the humidity's always at least 50%. So you have to address that, but we have a lot ways to cure all that problem. Meanwhile, it doesn't take anything to heat them. They'll withstand anything. The only thing that concerns me is that a lot of stuff, nothing's going to withstand the winds that are going to be coming down to us very shortly.

GG: It’s not, so they, they’ve built, yeah, they got underground facilities, so, let’s laugh about it. We have the information, we’re going to have to be, like the picture I showed you, somewhat above ground in the side of the hill or something so you have access. You’re going to have to build greenhouses in order offset these things and the greenhouses are going to be designed in a way to withstand these winds that are going to be created by all of this - the changes that’s happening. I mean, we’re going to have, I mean Mount Baldy in California, you know where that’s at...
KC: Yeah.
GG: Yeah, 212 mph winds for a week up there at the top. Same thing at both poles. Well, we got, now we got what, hurricanes hitting 250 and 300 mph, wiping out all over the - we don’t know where it’s going to be safe. I do know because of the mountain ranges where I am right now and I ask about where is safe. For my job, I could have went to Four Corners, I looked at all of that.

The rest of the guy's stuff I saved off to a file to look at later.

Being a jaded old fart, whose been to 3 too many seances, I can't get too excited. With just that to look at, I can't yet sound the source of his information, and I won't judge his heart. so Quien Sabe?

[RSF]

Hi all,
Seems these days most anything outside of out-of-this-world seems to originate from ATS, pitty. Under Simon Gray it used to be a greatly respected place to dwell.. now what? There are far more sincere and gratifying places to be online and seems ATS is doing whatever it can to bring back those who are in search for answers after leaving an online dictatorship. Many years but I still remember that Septicoverlord dude.

RSF

[Magamud]

It reminded me of the RA material years ago. Sounds good to me from what i can feel of other densities. Im so stuck in fighting all the tyranny around me that im loosing my ability to think on multidimensional dramas. Is this spiritual heirarchy stuff to redirect me from taking action in this physical world, stopping tyranny in my community? Will I become just a hatefull, spitefull person without thinking and believing in spiritual concepts? Whew, im trying to balance both right now. Im in ebb and flow right now but im being conservative with all this harvest information.

[GregorArturo]

Now what's interesting is on ATS the conversation seems to focus much more on a hoaxer when it comes to the negative comments. On Camelot, it focuses more on that it's info to deceive us, implying from the best I can guess that it's the real deal. Also, what's interesting, no one has been talking about his style of writing on Camelot (which is very eloquently written IMO). I recommend that people not only as the facts or 'truths' within the conversation but the whole context of the moment at hand. There's more underlying pyschology to it, and I really think Hidden Hand summed it up actually perfectly with what's happening with this discussion: It is a catalyst.

And for that reason alone, whether the information be true or not, one should analyze this situation so the catalyst can benefit you in a positive way. Things happen for a reason. The question is if you are willing to recognize it.

[Quarian]

Much of this rings true to me, but I'm a cynic. As I read H-H's posts, I am reminded of the writing styles of two people: "John Titor" and.... (ducking).... David Wilcock. Anyone else note the number of shout-outs he makes to "Ra"?

[Jogy]

Originally Posted by Quarian

Much of this rings true to me, but I'm a cynic. As I read H-H's posts, I am reminded of the writing styles of two people: "John Titor" and.... (ducking).... David Wilcock. Anyone else note the number of shout-outs he makes to "Ra"?

Jup, he made me look for the books online and am reading them now. Good stuff!

[dayzero]

Such food for thought....So many interesing points.....BUT


"There were Ruling-Bloodlines long before your 'Yahweh' and his 'Christianity' arrived on this planet."

hmmm.

So why mention Yaweh? A bit recent in the timeline isn't it?......as if he's only aiming for Christians.

I don't think he's what he says he is, but he's a player.

Anyone read Paradise Lost? I skimmed it.

[munkey]

@ ATS:
There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as the time of the Great Harvest approaches. You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater.

From my understanding, if you fill up a glass of water and place ice in it until it almost over flows, when the ice melts, the water doesn't spill out.

even if the poles melted it would not cause the water to rise dramatically.
the change in air temperature would cause the rise of the sea level

[dayzero]

GregorArturo, i think you have it sir, and very eloquently put yourself!

The entire post is pushing some very interesting buttons.

Some thoughts.......

-There is a wild disconnect between the positive aspects and the passages about Yaweh and Christianity, Adam & Eve etc. I'm still thinking on it, but what's the big deal with this timeframe? What about the more ancient cosmonogies?

- Following on form that, how can our creators be so different, if the planetary Holon is as he explains it to be. Doesn't quite add up.
No mention of Galactic need for balance either.

-Also this bad Dimension where they take the negative 95%, well there seems an awful lot of justification for that in the text. the New Paradigm warnings about attempts to polarise the whole system come to mind. Perhaps he doth protest too much?

- Finally, the premise on which the communications is based is that;

<"Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief window of opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required to make communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us any questions you would like answered.
I am double-bound in this duty. It is required of me by The Law of our Creator to offer this opportunity to you at this time, though I am also bound by the Law of (planetary) Free Will and by Family Oaths, that there is only so much I am able to say.">

I'd have thought that the authority would come not from his [different] creator, but from the Council of Elders whom he mentions later.

Notice the phrase 'Window of Opportunity' [the thread name of the OP], and the mention of that same phrase in the last passages in Messages For The GC.

In my dreams last night there was an awful lot of movement from within what i saw as ancient physical structures that stretched into the ground as well as on the surface. I woke up, as usual these days, at 4 am, then went straight back to what was goin on in the dreams, which is rare for me. That's the only way I can put it. Like mechanisms triggering. Everywhere.
I woke up elated by the way.

Wishing you all a pleasant day!

[KathyT]

I have placed the entire collated topic/messages from Hidden_Hand here:

http://home.comcast.net/~readingnews/Hidden_Hand.html

(Quote from within message: “Well, if you're game for an "assignment", or maybe someone else if you haven't the time, I would be happy for someone to collate this topic (minus the "interruptions") so that the message appears with just the actual flow of questions and answers, and post it there in one piece, if you so desire. As I mentioned before, I chose ATS as I was reliably informed that it is one of the forums with a higher rate of intelligence and reasoning amongst it's members. On the whole, from my experience here, I would tend to agree.
Though if you think it would be of value to Camelot, by all means you are most welcome to spread this message. The more people it can reach, the better.” )

Window of Opportunity

“Topic started on 18-10-2008 @ 09:05 PM by Hidden-Hand
I am a generational member of a Ruling Bloodline Family.

Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief window of opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required to make communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us any questions you would like answered.

I am double-bound in this duty. It is required of me by The Law of our Creator to offer this opportunity to you at this time, though I am also bound by the Law of (planetary) Free Will and by Family Oaths, that there is only so much I am able to say.”

Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by dayzero

GregorArturo, i think you have it sir, and very eloquently put yourself!

Thank you DayZero! Must appreciated. Also, thank you for sharing your points about the discussion.

[lennonmccartney]

That was very interesting to read so far, interesting what he ha to say about no freedom for humans and reincarnation.

[Anchor]

That is all I have time for at present. I have a Sacrifice I must attend now.
No, not really.

I am glad to see our overlords have a wicked sense of humour.

A..

[Average Joe]

How can somebody you don't even know who it is be your overlord or controller? Thats whats always got me.

If we are not aware of them, then they have no power.

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by Tuza

So based on the 2012 scenario, all of us have got three roads opening for us.
One leads to the negative 4th dimension with the Insider's mob, the other leads to the positive 4th dimension for those of us that have 51% of good inside us, and the other is a new 3rd dimension planet where we have to incarnate over and over until we evolve.

Where do all the animals go, please answer.

I have really been pondering this myself. Here's my best guess: It seems that all planets start out as 1st density planets, it would make the most sense. Ra had a few inconsistencies in his material, mainly do with the densities. There's an indiscretion I noticed in reference to the Orions group and the number of 6th density beings. Hidden Hand also commented on Orions group too, stating that they are only of 4th density negative, and didn't reference any other densities belonging to the group. Another (with Ra) is that not all, but most planets are inhabited in the universe (as there is some form of density), but there are 1st density only planets. It would make much more sense that ALL planets are 1st density or greater. Hidden Hand also stated that the Ra Material was about 85%-90% correct, and explained how that could also be so which resonates as a very logical thing within me.

So let's analyze this idea of density evolution from what we can gather and speculate from. All planets seem to start out as 1st density planets. When they evolve to a 2nd density planet (in which mainstream science calls 'life' or 'cellular organisms'). 1st density beings are still present upon the planet (ie crystals and water). When the planet evolves into a 3rd density planet, out of 2nd density beings, both 2nd density and 1st density beings are still present.

Now here's the interesting part to contemplate is the gray area we all seem to be pondering around December 21st, 2012 (if it's specifically that date or not). I believe Hidden Hand even mentioned there's dimensions in which Earth still has dinosaurs. Well what if there is an Earth that still has great apes and no man (and toss aside genetic manipulation/alien breeding for a second to make this less confusing)? What could of happened is the world split into two Earthly realms during the time of say that harvest, one in which humans came forth in the 3rd density, and another in which the great apes remained in 2nd density. I am not sure if polarity came into the effect during the 2nd density harvest in which we recognize it as now for maybe even the concept of polarity evolves.

Anyways, point being is that all the densities I feel should remain as they do now would seem to be the most logical analysis. The great apes seemed to of disappeared as we know it (big foot/yeti is another story, and I have to lean toward Ra's version of it). So in that analysis, 3rd density humans might have to disappear to. It's all very confusing yes. Much pondering is needed to get anywhere without any further information.

IMO, there will be 2nd density life forms. It would make the most sense. With all this information, as Hidden Hand, what resonate best with you tends to be the correct course of action. I also like thrown in the idea of common sense with the notion of mathematics is perfect, our reality is based off mathematics, so our reality must inherently be perfect.

I also want to throw in my two cents in that the notion of our world splitting into three separate entities doesn't resonate too well with me, and borders on the edge of some untouched quantum physics.

Originally Posted by Average Joe

I feel like I've just wasted 3 hours of my life reading some of that ****.

Life is only short, I haven't got hours to waste.

Nothing is going to happen in 2012, it will be business as usual. All one needs to do is to be a positive nice person, and you'll get your reward.

I'm not religious but read the 10 commandments and you can't go far wrong....it is in fact common sense.

Why we need to be spinning all of these complicated yarns is beyond me.

Average Joe, you sure do sound like the average joe. I recommend you do some more reading outside those commandments of yours. I for myself would rather live by a positive notion (Love thyself), than a negative one (Thou shalt not...). Hell, negative and wrong are synonymous with each other.

Originally Posted by Average Joe

How can somebody you don't even know who it is be your overlord or controller? Thats whats always got me.

If we are not aware of them, then they have no power.

You're controller is yourself my friend.

I took time to read Hidden Hand's entire post. Took a few hours but I read every word. Some of it I read twice, three times. Perhaps we should begin a thread for those among us who would like to discuss the powerful message it conveyed in a more postive manner. Please don't get me wrong. Everyone is certainly free to post their opinions regarding this subject matter. It just appears to me that this thread has tons of negativity. There are those of us that would like to share our views with the absence of hearing a Sunday sermon. Before you attack me with "you don't know squat" about the bible, god, jesus, etc. I need to say that I can stand with anyone on this thread and intelligently discuss the contents of "god's word." In fact I would go as far as saying that some could gleem a better understanding of "god's word" if they opened up their closed mind. Although it's been filtered, changed, edited it remains an abundant source of information. How do I know this? I was raised in the Baptist church and attended a religious based learning institution. So, mods what do think? Should we start a positive "Hidden Hand" thread?

Namaste,
julie

[Jogy]

Originally Posted by CosmicFever

Should we start a positive "Hidden Hand" thread?

Namaste,
julie

Not a mod but YES! I've found some sources he/she suggested and that could be a nice starting point. Disecting the message and following up on the references and other tips. It would be great to go in depth.