JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Christina Sila

In respect to the “God-Spirit-Soul Complex”, the Wingmakers explanation of the human condition challenges all that I have believed in. Far be it for me to say whether GSSC is truly mind programming or not until I personally test the recommended practice of breathing and remain open to what I may learn. I, for one in our collective, intend to explore the practice of Quantum Pause breathing patterns/techniques for myself before formulating any opinion. It will be interesting to see whether it opens a new awareness or state of consciousness. Here’s hoping.

Hi Christina,

Your reasoning here may be a bit wobbly for a couple reasons. I wouldn't be too quick to draw a cause - effect relationship between the validity of "GSSC = HMS" and the utility of "Quantum pause'".

First... If you do prove the utility of the breathing technique - "Quantum Pause" - it won't necessarily invalidate the truth found in concepts of God / Spirit / Soul.

Second... The so called "Quantum Pause" is an exact replica of an ancient breathing technique which the 1920s yogic group the "Self-Realisation Fellowship" called "SRF breathing exercises" and which a 1970's text called the "sacred fire breath". So, if your soul awakens to the gentle breeze of spirit give gratitude to God the Source. James didn't invent it.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

Second... The so called "Quantum Pause" is an exact replica of an ancient breathing technique which the 1920s yogic group the "Self-Realisation Fellowship" called "SRF breathing exercises" and which a 1970's text called the "sacred fire breath". So, if your soul awakens to the gentle breeze of spirit give gratitude to God the Source. James didn't invent it.

That's interesting. Why do you think that this breathing technique is being suggested? Why would it be different?

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Czymra

That's interesting. Why do you think that this breathing technique is being suggested? Why would it be different?

To be clear, i'm saying the breathing technique is no different and that it is not new.

There's several reasons why the technique is being suggested. One is that no technique alone is guaranteed to enlighten or free any soul who is wed to the mass consciousness through inordinate desire and monkey mindedness.. There is a lot to learn and a lot to see through on the path of awakening so no technique of itself is the answer to the human condition. Even valid techniques like the "sacred fire breath" in question is no panacea although some people will make the most of it perhaps because of their soul sensitivity developed in past lives due to honest self examination and genuine charity. Some may for the first time open the windows of the soul to the sunlight of spirit while using this technique. Most probably won't however although in oxygen there is prana which sedentary folk do no get enough of. Others will get light headed from the lack of oxygen and think they're now enlightened.

Our inner work is not only to see and root out (of the ego) all the anti-theses of the virtues of the real- Self, but the imposters too. Both are present and must be seen through. Most people are self decieved because that inner imposter masquarades as the real-Self. It is a part of them yet they are blind to it and consequently blind to the real - Self. That sense of self-aggrandisement blinds some people to the Grand ego of others which they are drawn to as a magnet. Consequently, they choose their teachers unwisely because of their own spiritual blindness.

So, breathing and other techniques can safely be given (by false teachers and very often have been) because a technique is only as good as the person using it. So in most cases, but not all, the technique will be of little benefit, it being just one of many elements which a soul needs for self-realisation. Even the false teachers are happy for you to have techniques which the real adepts discovered and released centuries ago because by association they come up smelling roses. "Such charity ... he simply must be my friend." In James' case he'd probably rather you didn't know where he got this breathing technique because it would beg the obvious question:

"What other concepts and techniques are valid from the same source?" And which of them has James already arrogantly dismissed?"

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

"What other concepts and techniques are valid from the same source?" And which of them has James already arrogantly dismissed?"

Thanks for that. I do have an odd feeling about quite some of the stuff being said. The emotional and intellectual involvement of the interviewee's of Project Camelot range from "cool American" to "righteous human defender" (no offence meant to anyone, apologies) and even though they are talking about complex and only party unveiled topics, it seems obvious that they struggle with their own demons and ignorance.
I do think that James' interview here strips many of the ideas that others so willingly bought into, I do agree with the notion of 'saving ourselves' and many other concepts that dismiss dogmas of any kind. However, I am still left wondering what's left and how this actually ties in with the life I'm leading for obviously if I can't even escape in death, what's the point? And when living, am I to act and stand thoughtless and emotionless at all times or is this just a state to 'ground' me again?

[efields]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Thanks for that. I do have an odd feeling about quite some of the stuff being said. The emotional and intellectual involvement of the interviewee's of Project Camelot range from "cool American" to "righteous human defender" (no offence meant to anyone, apologies) and even though they are talking about complex and only party unveiled topics, it seems obvious that they struggle with their own demons and ignorance.
I do think that James' interview here strips many of the ideas that others so willingly bought into, I do agree with the notion of 'saving ourselves' and many other concepts that dismiss dogmas of any kind. However, I am still left wondering what's left and how this actually ties in with the life I'm leading for obviously if I can't even escape in death, what's the point? And when living, am I to act and stand thoughtless and emotionless at all times or is this just a state to 'ground' me again?

I'd just say that alignment and sincerity along with awareness of the Truth of illusion is all thats necessary in your stillness. Indeed the technique is not new. Its the realization of the lack of levels between you and the oneness, and the need to be wary of including the false profits and imaginary levels stipulated by those 'profits' trapped in the HMS, that are plentiful on this Orb that must be realized, as false, and given no reality in your
thoughts. There is really just You and the Oneness. Really just the Oneness, of which you are a part. Not apart. One with. It's a refreshing perspective as it cuts out all the Junk. You are The Creation and The Creation is you. Simple, Elegant, and Complete.

It's as if we on this Orb, in totality, are really all just 'One cell' In a Organ seen as the 'Universe' which is part of Infinity, which is the Body of which we exist in. Vast is The Creation, all that is.

[idunno]

mayim mayim mayim

Ja mes Mahi Nahi
is it french... 4.... MingDina-st-y?
hmm...

St-k-y ????????????

Phin = a Phi + b

1·61803 39887 49894 84820 45868 34365 63811 77203 09179 80576 ..More..

Multiples of Phi
We've just seen that we can use multiples of Phi to calculate its powers easily and you might think that there's not much else we can discover about multiples of Phi.

Here we show another relationship and also explain how the Rabbits family Tree diagram was made, originally seen in the Fibonacci and Nature. It's all to do with the multiples of Phi, or, rather, the fractional parts of the multiples.

[idunno]

Powers of Phi
We return to the definition of Phi, as the positive valued solution to
P(P-1)=1
P here is either of 2 values, Phi and 1-Phi.
So P has the property that P2=P+1.
Let's look at Phi2 first.
Phi squared

We can read the equation above as to find P2, just add 1 to P.

Things to do

-Use your calculator to evaluate Phi=(1+5)/2. If you have a Memory on your calculator, store this value in it.
-Square it and check that it is just Phi+1 (i.e. subtract one and compare with the Memory value).
-Use your calculator to evaluate the other value (1-Phi) or (1-Memory) = (1-5)/2
-Again square the value just found and check that it is just the same as adding 1 to the value you squared.
Now let's look at Phi3.

Phi cubed

Is there another way to calculate Phi3 apart from just Phi x Phi x Phi?
Yes - let's see how to compute it in two more ways. We use the basic P(P-1)=1 formula or, in another form, P2=P+1.
P3 is just P.P2 = P(P+1) by our "basic formula", which expands to P2+P

...now that's interesting!... 1 + P = P2 AND P + P2 = P3 ...hmmm! Is there anything in this do you think?
Question: How could this be generalized? We'll use this result in the next sub-section about a Phi-bonacci Brick... but, for now, let's get back to the original equation...
and P2 + P = (P+1) + P after using the "basic formula" again and this is just 2P + 1. So
Phi3 = 1 + 2 Phi
Notice that this needs just one multiplication rather than two if we evaluated Phi x Phi x Phi. That's the first quick way.
The second answer was spotted by Scott Beach but it is also in the table at the foot of this page: since Phi=(√5+1)/2 then 2Phi is √5+1 and 1+ 2 Phi = &radic 5 + 2:

Phi3 = 2 + √5
Interesting Facts about a Phi-bonacci Brick

[This variation was suggested by Hud Nordin of Sunnyvale, California.]
If we have a brick with sides of lengths 1, Phi=1·61803... and phi=1/Phi=0·61803... then:-
the longest side is the sum of the other two lengths since 1 + phi = Phi
the largest face (area C=1 x Phi) is the sum of the other two face's areas (area A =1 x phi and area B=phi x Phi) since
Area A + Area B
= 1 x phi + phi x Phi
= phi + 1
= Phi
= Area C
The next three interesting facts and figures on the Phibonacci brick were first pointed out by Donald Seitz in The Mathematics Teacher, 1986, pages 340-341 in an article entitled A Geometric Figure Relating the Golden Ratio to Pi.
What is the surface area S of the brick?
Above we saw that the sum of the 2 smaller face's areas equals the largest face's area, and that this is Phi.
Since there are 2 faces with smallest area, 2 of middle-sized area (which total 2 times the largest face area, that is 2 Phi) and we also have two other faces of the largest area (Phi) , then:

The surface area of the brick is 4 Phi

How long is the diagonal across the brick?
Another surprise awaits us when we calculate the length of the diagonal across the brick.
The formula is a 3-dimensional analogue of Pythagoras Theorem.
For a rectangle of sides x and y, its diagonal is (x2 + y2).
For a 3-D brick with sides x,y and z, its diagonal has length (x2 + y2 + z2).
So how long is the diagonal of our Phi-bonacci brick? Since its sides (x,y and z) are 1, Phi and phi, the length of its diagonal is: (12 + Phi2 + phi2). I'll leave you to check the algebra but the surprisingly simple answer is

The diagonal of the brick has length 2
A relationship between Phi and Pi

Things to do

just a
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TruthSeeker7
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...ge454148/pg296

TruthSeeker7
User ID: 384266
3/3/2008 2:07 AM Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' is back in the night skies!
QUOTE

A great sign from the heavens is due. No doubt about it. One final last great sign.


57th TONY AWARDS MAN OF LA MANCHA
[link to youtube.com]

And who knows for sure. Maybe "comet" Holmes is not done.

the above video is about a dream i had and the sign from the heavens.[/QUOTE]
Quoting: * <----star of destiny




Thank you for that

A song for the hero in all of us.

It takes great courage just to live in this day and age.

a nu n
all is repeated
^n-time ...now
mobius-book.....
We Have Died and Gone to Mobius ...
or is it from REaM to bbiooas?

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by efields

I'd just say that alignment and sincerity along with awareness of the Truth of illusion is all thats necessary in your stillness. Indeed the technique is not new. Its the realization of the lack of levels between you and the oneness, and the need to be wary of including the false profits and imaginary levels stipulated by those 'profits' trapped in the HMS, that are plentiful on this Orb that must be realized, as false, and given no reality in your
thoughts. There is really just You and the Oneness. Really just the Oneness, of which you are a part. Not apart. One with. It's a refreshing perspective as it cuts out all the Junk. You are The Creation and The Creation is you. Simple, Elegant, and Complete.

It's as if we on this Orb, in totality, are really all just 'One cell' In a Organ seen as the 'Universe' which is part of Infinity, which is the Body of which we exist in. Vast is The Creation, all that is.

That's nothing new to me either in fact, maybe that's why I'm confused. It's basically Zen isn't it? (No I don't mean the 'style'.)

[Christina Sila]

Milk and honey:

As you indicated above, “quantum pause” breathing may not be anything new, however it is new to me. I’m delighted that James offered up the recommendation for the practice of quantum pause breathing, for I’m now integrating that into the disciplines I’ve already embraced. And you’re correct in that the utility of quantum pause does not prove that GSSC = HMS.

I guess what I really wanted to say in the brief post above is that rather than attacking any of the James interview content that shakes my belief system, I chose to take what seems useful to me and leave the rest… for now.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Christina Sila

Milk and honey:

As you indicated above, “quantum pause” breathing may not be anything new, however it is new to me. I’m delighted that James offered up the recommendation for the practice of quantum pause breathing, for I’m now integrating that into the disciplines I’ve already embraced. And you’re correct in that the utility of quantum pause does not prove that GSSC = HMS.

It doesn't concern you that James "translated" the technique from the "tributary zone" for the first time ever? - after a portal opened in 1998 for the first time ever?

Originally Posted by Christina Sila

I guess what I really wanted to say in the brief post above is that rather than attacking any of the James interview content that shakes my belief system, I chose to take what seems useful to me and leave the rest… for now.

I'm not 'attacking' James by exposing his hypocrisy, his plaigerism, his dis-ingenuity and his shillery for the PTB.

Secondly, you assume that any such commentary of my own must be based merely on my personal beliefs being shaken by the WMM. Have you considered that the WMM is based on plaigerism, internet conspiracies and James' personal beliefs? And that considering some of the other things he has to say in support of the agenda of the PTB that his motive is questionable? Or the possibility that my own commentary is based on truth rather than belief?

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Czymra

I do agree with the notion of 'saving ourselves' and many other concepts that dismiss dogmas of any kind. However, I am still left wondering what's left and how this actually ties in with the life I'm leading for obviously if I can't even escape in death, what's the point? And when living, am I to act and stand thoughtless and emotionless at all times or is this just a state to 'ground' me again?

I agree too with the notion of 'saving ourselves'. Salvation = self-elevation.

That was the true message of Jesus, Guatama and many others before and since. It's the very minimum which the false teachers need to parrot in order to have any apparant credibiliy even when they're promising UFO landings and whatnot as external salvation too.

We can escape the lower-ego in death if we escape it in life. It is assumed that the nirvanic state (the soul at-One with the I AM) is soley a passive state of 'knowing' or 'nothingness'. It's also been said that it's a state of non-identity and non activity. These definitions are unbalanced and make it easy to miss something in the translation.

When one finds the centre of being - personal spiritual Selfhood - the ego is no longer active with IT's feelings and IT's thoughts. IT's identity is 'no more' which allows the unobstructed expression of the true Self through the mind and emotions. See the difference? Doesn't mean the christ-consciousness is inactive. The lower-ego (the negative aspects of the psyche) has been inactivated.

On the path to the center, as we get nearer the flame of true being, the subtle emotional and mental bodies are progressively purged of the gross egoistic urges which keep the soul disturbed and ignorant of the higher- Self. In the process, the vibrations of the lower-ego (fear, hatred etc) are transmuted into light and thereby removed as an obstacle to the realisation and expression of true being.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

When one finds the centre of being - personal spiritual Selfhood - the ego is no longer active with IT's feelings and IT's thoughts. IT's identity is 'no more' which allows the unobstructed expression of the true Self through the mind and emotions. See the difference? Doesn't mean the christ-consciousness is inactive. The lower-ego (the negative aspects of the psyche) has been inactivated.

Firstly, sorry for triple posting here.

Milk and Honey, I understand and this does make a difference. It does sound like some scary entity is taking possession of me however and the 'I' (whatever that is, and whatever right it has of being) would be purged and lost. Maybe I'm afraid of losing that along with all my relations?

Thanks for the input, and again sorry for posting so many answer. I'll wait longer next time to combine them.

[heroskiss]

Has anyone studied the Course in Miracles and seen the work of James being a more in depth explanation. For me, studying the Course has made me think about the world differently. The Course says, "Do not try and change the world but rather change the way you think about the world".
Studying James material or the Course, one would certainly tend to think about life differently.

The Course also says,
Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God.

That would mean religion, spirituality, 3d dimension to 7th dimension or anything else in between doesn't truly exist. If it dies, it doesn't exist. Only what is eternal is real.

If you like James' material, which I do, I think some of you might find the Course in Miracles at the very least.....interesting.

I'm not trying to sell anything here....I find myself looking at it all. Seeing all the paths and finding the commonalities within them. love it!

Thank you to Kerry and Bill and to all of us out their making a difference in the "illusion".

Claudia

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by heroskiss

Has anyone studied the Course in Miracles and seen the work of James being a more in depth explanation. For me, studying the Course has made me think about the world differently. The Course says, "Do not try and change the world but rather change the way you think about the world". That appears to be what is happening with me, although I know my limits


Studying James material or the Course, one would certainly tend to think about life differently.

The Course also says,
Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God.

That would mean religion, spirituality, 3d dimension to 7th dimension or anything else in between doesn't truly exist. If it dies, it doesn't exist. Only what is eternal is real.

I can see that, I can see myself as nothingness w/potential and only what I say is real is real, although we rigged that up to be very complicated and not that easy to extricate ourselves from "unconscious reality" at this stage.

If you like James' material, which I do, I think some of you might find the Course in Miracles at the very least.....interesting.

I'm not trying to sell anything here....I find myself looking at it all. Seeing all the paths and finding the commonalities within them. love it!

Thank you to Kerry and Bill and to all of us out their making a difference in the "illusion".

Claudia

please see dialogue within quotes.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Firstly, sorry for triple posting here.

Milk and Honey, I understand and this does make a difference. It does sound like some scary entity is taking possession of me however and the 'I' (whatever that is, and whatever right it has of being) would be purged and lost. Maybe I'm afraid of losing that along with all my relations?

It's a gradual process. Only the negative aspects of the psyche are changed by the transformer of spiritual Identity. As you surrender those aspects of the lower-self, the higher-Self displaces or replaces them. So there's a sense of continuity and growth. You change for the best.

The idea that you lose the personal self is untrue. You simply re-discover your real Self as the negative 'skins' of the darker aspects of the ego are shed. During this process your soul in the material plane gradually rises in vibration as your spiritual-Self in the spiritual plane descends into matter to embrace it. The soul is awakening to it's origin. Isn't that beautiful? The more you see the inner raiment of the Spiritual- Self the easier it is to identify and surrender the tattered garments of the lower-ego. In that union of both aspects of being is ecstatic joy, soul liberty and ascension.

[Czymra]

Thanks for all those answers Gnosis and Milk and Honey.

[Gnosis5]

You're most welcome I like Milk 'n Honey's poetic descriptions.

love,
gnosis

[DigitalKid]

Originally Posted by shanonatime

kerry, i feel i know these people. it's strange.

like too strange.

you have no idea how much synchronicity has hit me in the face around this interview....

Must say I agree there, this interview really resonated with me, my inner vibrations where going wild at some points.

This guy is genuine and clearly knows his stuff, one of the best interviews by Camelot to date.

[ENdJOY]

Magii...did you read the interview, or just scan it...? James says

"The mythology of gold, being the purpose in which Anu manifested this entire system of creation, is only the surface motive. It was a much broader agenda that Anu aspired to: it was being God to all beings"

To fill you in on the legend: It is believed by members of the NSA today, (I just read last year's report) that the Anunaki live on the planet Niburu, which is three times the size of Jupiter, and one orbit (Sar) takes 3,600 of our years...they have created an atmosphere, laden with gold particles, that will maintain heat and light, even at its furthest point from Sol. This artificial atmosphere, needs to be replenished from time to time, and because Earth has a plentiful supply of gold, it was the likely place to mine it...but the Anunaki don't do manual labor, so they got the humans to do it, by altering their DNA.


now back to the point, I am trying to make here... James says that Anu ASPIRED to be god... well that tells you right up front that he knew that he wasn't god...because GOD is god, it doesn't aspire to become what it IS.

There is no doubt in my mind that God created Anu, to help the human species progress...he might not have seen it that way, when he altered the DNA of our species...but as we evolved, it has become apparent that this was all part of the plan...and he recognized our potential and at one point tried to destroy us all (Flood) because he was well aware of what we would become.

This line explains the fact that Anu knew exactaly what he was doing:

The motivation was more subtle: it was to enslave the Sovereign Integral consciousness, knowing that it was more powerful, more intelligent, and more aware than even Anu. This was the true motive of Anu – to control that which was greater than he.

now that is something that perhaps you should ponder for a while...we, each have the potential to activate a Sovereign Integral's perspective...which will make us "more powerful, more intelligent, and more aware than even Anu" ...and James tells us that those who have discovered this ability withIN themSelves, have reached a critical mass... and this is why Anu has abandoned his future plans concerning our species, because it is too late to stop our re-organization of FIRST SOURCE... and fulfilling our destiny as the true heirs of the "kingdom"...

[piers2210]

Endjoy, I like what you say.

Like i said on another thread, this was a brilliant, unique interview, for which we should be grateful to Camelot. However it will be hard for most people who are grounded in religion and spiritual teachings to take on board. Thankfully i can't stand religion.

Of course most people have never heard of Anu and the Annunaki, and even those who have have had to witness vicious trashing of the works of people like Sitchin and Michael Templeton.

Nothing is provable for sure, "proven" science is constantly being unproved, and we don't know the answers to basic questions like who we are, why we're here etc.

So this interview is where i'm going now.....i'm not going to worry about unbelievers. And i like the breathing programme too. Sounds great.....i need it.

[cway]

This interview was a great achievement by project camelot

[cway]

The amount of this information that is coming in now or being revived is amazing.

[ENdJOY]

I believe that it is a little more than co-incidence, that the Era of Transparency comes shortly after the Mayan 6Th Day began

[cway]

Kerry Cassidy's interview on X2 radio
http://x2-radio.mypodcast.com/2008/0...dio-70482.html