Knowing and freedom

[mudra]

Originally Posted by BROOK

I agree...just don't let the heart be driven by the ego...it may want to scare the living daylights out of you by others who say they know the "Truth"...when in fact their truth is driven by their egos....what a web of deception the ego can weave....Just learn to
KNOW PEACE...and FREEDOM will follow
As I said..

[I]

Love does not want or fear anything.
Echkart Tolle

Loving kindness
mudra

[mudra]

Be well Brook

Peace in your heart and love always
mudra

[Wormhole]

Beautiful to hear you again Brook!

More quotes from E.Tolle:

"What is your relationship to the present moment?

What you resist persists.

Accept what "is" first, action from acceptance, not resistance.

How present you are defines your spirituality.

The ego overlooks the now.

People in the ego live as though the present moment is their enemy.

Ego constantly compares itself to others to find spirituality.

The ego is a false sense of self based in concepts people identify with.

Wanting keeps the ego alive more than having."


I keep these posted in my office to remind myself where I am and what is real. Thank you for this thread.

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

[dolphin]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

We can not escape who we chose to be before we incarnated into this reality. We chose our "egos" before we where even born. This new age fluffy idea of giving up your personal identity because that is what has been deemed most acceptable by gurus is not something that I am willing to accept into my paradigm. If that is my big fat ego talking then so be it. It is really no different than someone pointing at another and saying "ego ego ego". The act of observing an individual having an "ego" is an act of the "ego". It is not escapable in this reality. As long as the individual is not being dishonest with them selves then they are on the right track. I will give up my version of who I am in this world the day I die and not a day sooner because it enables me to function and have focus.

tone3jaguar, i would have to agree... and by the way i like my ego. i don't want to be like everyone else. sitting on a mountaintop as a monk meditating all day, to me is not having much ego and doesn't sound like too much fun. i think we're here to explore our egos, the good, the bad, the ugly and inbetween. how else does the soul learn? we have oversouls and higher selves, and our egos.

everyone has their indivdual journey... as well as having everyone's own "truth"... truth is whatever perspective you perceive it to be. some of this new age bit is overdone. don't you see, they want you to surrender you... your ego.

i'm an individual made of the whole (the creator)... and i am both me and creation itself.

[mudra]

Originally Posted by dolphin

i'm an individual made of the whole (the creator)... and i am both me and creation itself.

good point

loving kindness
mudra

[mudra]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

The act of observing an individual having an "ego" is an act of the "ego". .. As long as the individual is not being dishonest with them selves then they are on the right track. I will give up my version of who I am in this world the day I die and not a day sooner because it enables me to function and have focus.

Good point too Tone.
I like your honesty about it .

Loving kindness
mudra

[rhythm]

she watches things as they come and go

the nature of things is to come and go

with or without her permission

so why not enjoy the show

its all so beautifull..

without something , what fun it is to be nothing ...
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love the world as yourself
then you can care for all things ..
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resistence to the what is

will be suffering .....

[mudra]

Originally Posted by rhythm

she watches things as they come and go

the nature of things is to come and go

with or without her permission

so why not enjoy the show

its all so beautifull..

without something , what fun it is to be nothing ...
***********************
love the world as yourself
then you can care for all things ..
**************************

resistence to the what is

will be suffering .....

You put it so beautifully dear

loving kindness
mudra

[mudra]

I think there is nothing wrong in every one holding a truth of their own .
No matter where that truth comes from . I see it as an opportunity
to learn from it . It's all a matter of how you take it .
Knowing that one does'nt know is the humble way to take things .
This allows knowing to change and evolve.
Life is a game and nothing is so serious as to be defended or rejected with tooth and claws.
Within love you can find unity always and within challenge a dynamic to put understanding to.
Go with the flow .. embrace what comes with a smile .
And know that on this plane there will always be dichotomies .
This is what makes it interesting and fertile soil to grow and outgrow until one can encompass all that is.

Loving kindness
mudra

[BROOK]

just my 2cents (ego, tisk tisk)...i posted this on your other thread but would like to reiterate.

(btw, brook, you seem to preach alot, and that makes me a bit queasy. yes, i do believe meditation is a wonderful way to be. but posting a picture of you doing it, seems to me like your "ego" getting in the way).

tone3jaguar, i would have to agree... and by the way i like my ego. i don't want to be like everyone else. sitting on a mountaintop as a monk meditating all day, to me is not having much ego and doesn't sound like too much fun. i think we're here to explore our egos, the good, the bad, the ugly and inbetween. how else does the soul learn? we have oversouls and higher selves, and our egos.

everyone has their indivdual journey... as well as having everyone's own "truth"... truth is whatever perspective you perceive it to be. some of this new age bit is overdone. don't you see, they want you to surrender you... your ego.

i'm an individual made of the whole (the creator)... and i am both me and creation itself.

I do not advocate losing your ego..as we all need it for one very important thing right now in this 3D existence...that reason is:

Before we can love anybody or anything else..we must first love ourselves..for that we need ego.

I am however very concerned at the manipulation of the powers that be..because they have only one power over us.....OUR EGO...and that being said..as I said before...be careful not to be manipulated by your ego from the very thing that tries to control you....you are much more then your ego.

Dolphin...
Yes I do have an ego....but that picture is not of me..I only wish it was..I am a 55 year old woman...the picture was to represent the "heart center" in the sky above the young woman meditating...take another look at it...there is a heart in the sky...quite a lovely picture..but not me unfortunately.

I think 14Chakras said exactly what I was trying to convey in the other thread..I only hope she shares it here...and it's not been more then half an hour ago that I got out of surgery..so I must get some sleep now...I just want you to know I was not trying to in any way say lose your ego..just don't let it be manipulated, by so called whistleblowers, and the powers that be..they play on your ego every time....that is their only power over you.
Am I preaching? Sorry...it's a passion for me to convey my concerns

[14 Chakras]

To love yourself, you must simply know your Self.

Your true Self is made of unconditional love. It pours out of you, around you, you are that love, and the power and wisdom behind it.

Your human ego is what blocks the love from your true Self. It seeks love outside of itself, and therefore, will never find true unconditional love for itself, or for others. Because unconditional love can only come from within.

Unconditional love comes from beyond the human ego, it comes from the sun of your Being.

Expose the illusions of the human Ego and you are Love made manifest.

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

To love yourself, you must simply know your Self.

Your true Self is made of unconditional love. It pours out of you, around you, you are that love, and the power and wisdom behind it.

Your human ego is what blocks the love from your true Self. It seeks love outside of itself, and therefore, will never find true unconditional love for itself, or for others. Because unconditional love can only come from within.

Unconditional love comes from beyond the human ego, it comes from the sun of your Being.

Expose the illusions of the human Ego and you are Love made manifest.

Wonderfully said!

[mudra]

To See

To see, to really see,
you must take off your head
and put it well aside, friends.

Open the eyes of your heart instead.
Open the ears of your soul
and ride on the river of light
that glows along: a constant caterpillar
leading you back home
to where you came from and have forgotten.


Your eyes see not into the nature of things.
They see the diver, but not the dive,
they see the winding smoke, but not the fire burning inside,
they see only the road before them, and not the moon sailing beside.
Rather you gouge them out than stay blind
to true vision which resides only in the chest,
beating, and pounding.
Why do you think the heart beats?
To call your attention, so wandering,
back to it.


Come home then, come home.
You can ride the big stream of heart.


Let the spirit rise out of you like steam,
like a snake uncoling, like a dreamer stepping into the dream.
The flowers are watered then with your tears,
the wounds are healed with your lips,
and pain is found out in everyones' hearts
and purged away to the lake, the sea, the ocean,
where it drowns in the cleansing waters.


Wash your ego from your self,
and step out of your skin
which is battle-worn and bruised from abuse.
Come swim in the golden waters of this pond,
naked, wearing only your spirit.


It's warm here like luminous oil massaging you.
There are morning doves and orchids at night
and in the day, there is rest and the stars.


The trees sing you lullabies
in harmony with the breeze
and the moon sometimes eclipses the sun.
You always have playmates--
ones who cry and laugh at once,
reveling in the irony, the paradox of the universe.
They work to stop suffering,
but their pain and their joy become one here
--pain a vine winding around the tree of joy,
and all explode together in green
where branches touch the sky.

We are one in the heart..we are two in the mind

Loving kindness
mudra

[BROOK]

Knowing


You have the ability to know everything there is to know.
That is what your brain was designed For, so that spirit
living on a physical plane in a physical body could
experience and understand whatever dimension of spirit
he desired, seen through three-dimensional forms.


Why is knowledge important? It is your grandest treasure,
for when all else has been taken from you, what has not been
taken from you and never can be is the knowledge that gives you
the ability to create again. When you have knowledge, you have
freedom; you have options. When you have knowledge, you can
build kingdoms unlimited. When you have knowledge, there is
nothing to fear, for then there is no thing, no element, no
principality, no understanding that can ever threaten or enslave
or intimidate you. When fear is given knowledge, it is called
enlightenment.

Knowledge allows your mind to reason and contemplate
beyond what you already know. It permits you to see further into
the knowingness of all things that are and to grow in your capacity
to receive even greater knowledge. Knowledge urges you to expand
yourself, to seek an ever-broadening identity, to become. In that,
it takes you from the boundaries of a limited life into a more
unlimited expanse. Through knowledge and the adventure into
learning, you become heightened in simplicity, and in that
simplicity will you find peace in being and the joy of life.

From The White Book
Ramtha

[BROOK]

Lovely poem Mudra!

[mudra]

Loving kindness
mudra

[Tango]

Mudra....

Girl, You are trooly "brillant." WoW...


Tango

Originally Posted by mudra

[I]To See

To see, to really see,
you must take off your head
and put it well aside, friends.

Open the eyes of your heart instead.
Open the ears of your soul
...

[BROOK]

The Altered Ego

Now what is the altered ego? It is the understanding gained
from the human experience that is stored in the soul and
articulated through the reasoning portions of the brain. It is
the collective attitudes of man living merely as a surviving
creature, living in the shadow of social consciousness. And that
collective view will refuse to accept any thought frequency that
does not fit within its security, that does not help to insure the
survival of the entity. The altered ego is the refusal to allow all
thoughts to be received and entertained for a greater realization
within the embodiment.

Ramtha

[BROOK]

Freedom in Knowing

You have the ability to know everything there is to know.
That is what your brain was designed for, so that a spirit living on
a physical plane in a physical body could experience and
understand whatever dimension of spirit he desired, seen through
three-dimensional forms. Whatever thoughts you allow yourself
to know through your wonderful receiver will become an
experienced reality, seen first within your embodiment and then
through the conditions of your life. And whatever you desire,
you have the ability - through knowing - to manifest into your
life in the twinkling of an eye. That is how you create the kingdom
of heaven on Earth.

Ramtha

[Northern Boy]

Good points made Brook. I`m not a big Tolle fan but I will say this there are times when a persons Ego can cause his head to swell and his eyes to shut and it does cause them to miss what is in plain site

[BROOK]

Thank you Northernboy...but this is not only about Tolle....it's everywhere I look.... Example:

Taoist Ethics

Selflessness

One thing basic to the Taoist belief is a redefinition of "self" or "ego." Taoists believe that the way we try to stand outside ourselves in the attempt of self-observation is the source of most, if not all, of our unhappiness and loneliness, simply because in order to observe as such, we must see our "self" as separate from other "selves." This creates many unnecessary and troublesome illusions, and is based on an untrue assumption: that organisms are mutually exclusive. For a good argument against this assumption, as well as some of the negative affects of the illusions it creates, it is recommended that you read The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are by Alan Watts.
The goal of Taoism isn't to obliterate the ego, simply because this isn't possible. In order to stop ourselves from seeing ourselves as separate, we must see ourselves as separate, which creates a never-ending paradox. The goal instead is to keep our attention on the greater whole, the process to which there is a pattern, which is known to always return the source.

The Tao is infinite, eternal. Why is it eternal? It was never born; thus it can never die. Why is it infinite? It has no desires for itself; thus it is present for all beings. The Master stays behind; that is why she is ahead. She is detached from all things; that is why she is one with them. Because she has let go of herself, she is perfectly fulfilled.



Source: http://www.taoism.net/articles/mason/ethics.htm

[14 Chakras]

Mudra, beautiful poetry. Thank you for shining the sun of your Beingness, keep it bright so we can bask in the rays.

[14 Chakras]

Brook, thank you for sharing.

I like the idea of knowing, knowing the truth that will set us free...

for me true knowing, comes from Being... it's not a matter of mind knowledge, it's a matter of achieving unity with the higher consciousness that is inside, I and my father are one.

When we are Being, we're coming from that higher place, we're storing up the treasures in heaven because we're multiplying our light, our talents are being multiplied.

When we're Being, we're beyond thinking, we're in the Now, we're letting the consciousness within be the doer.

To Be, or not to Be, that is the question.

I agree it is impossible to 'obliterate' the ego... however, it is very possible to transmute it. That's what divine alchemy is all about. Turning the base metal of the human ego into the Gold of the I AM within. Being reborn into our higher identity as Jesus described. The Phoenix symbolizes this rebirth, and it will happen in us when we are ready...

The caterpillar will turn into the butterfly.

[14 Chakras]

Thanks to all who contribute on these threads. All contributions are valuable. I personally appreciate. Together we are seeking and finding and becoming More.

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Thanks to all who contribute on these threads. All contributions are valuable. I personally appreciate. Together we are seeking and finding and becoming More.

You can say that again This is pretty important information on the path to enlightenment. And thank you for your contributions