For "Survivors" Eyes Only

Shechaiyan makes a good point about architecture - does anyone have any practical experience with what he is talking about, or the domed structures that George Green discussed in one of his interviews?

Originally Posted by Shechaiyah

You know, the planet Mars has a very extended history and it is a very old civilization.

Despite what NASA says about Mars, it is inhabited, as attested to by a number of contemporary informants: Collier, Hoagland, Cooper, and so forth.

In studying NASA interpretations of the Mars landscape, what I find is that their architecture is "hidden." Roofs of their structures look like flat rocks; they are hiding. And I believe they are hiding for the same reason we may want to hide: abductions. Alpha Draconis abduct humans FOR FOOD.

what we learned from Bucky Fuller is that geometric shapes conserve and accumulate energy. What we learn from alternative physics is that we live in an electric universe.

Put this all together, and we may develop a new architecture, clustered energy-conserving homes that are undetectable from satellites and probes.

May we find the way to be safe and appropriate.


Shech--

Welcome Sol Invictus - this is the first chance in days I have been able to check the direction this thread is taking, and I welcome your input - - THANKS!

LiquidSwords - while I am all for being prepared (thus the thread), I am not just concerned about "surviving." After whatever comes, I would like to be in a postion to help as many others as I can. To take a page from the good people on Avalon, let's keep this positive. This thread is not just about simple survival, it is about positioning oneself to live in service-to-others mode after whatever may be on its way.

Thanks everyone!

[bosr]

Providing a nuke doesn't fall on our head, we inhale smallpox, a volcano erupts under our feet, wer'e thrown off the planet from a pole shift or get smothered in nerve gas; we will not only survive, but we'll do it in style.

Survival comes first, without it nothing else matters. Dead people cannot help others.

There are smarter ways to overcome without going out in a blaze of glory. Be prepared.

[Sol Invictus]

Clustered energy efficient homes.

Skara Brae on the Orkney Isles. Bear with me and I will explain.

These are ancient, older than the pyramids houses found after a devastating storm hit the islands. They are stone and wood roofed houses covered with a layer of earth, built semi buried and low to the ground to conserve heat.

Now, they actually had interlinking 'tunnels' between each home, so to move from one to the other you never actually had to go 'outside'. This also had a huge benefit as you would share the heat from a fire between many homes. In short, a 'communal central heating' system.

me thinks it would be a good idea to build this way, as a semi buried and earthed over home would be very hard to spot from the air or ground if it was camouflaged the right way.

[Trishsgate]

Originally Posted by Sol Invictus

Clustered energy efficient homes.

Skara Brae on the Orkney Isles. Bear with me and I will explain.

These are ancient, older than the pyramids houses found after a devastating storm hit the islands. They are stone and wood roofed houses covered with a layer of earth, built semi buried and low to the ground to conserve heat.

Now, they actually had interlinking 'tunnels' between each home, so to move from one to the other you never actually had to go 'outside'. This also had a huge benefit as you would share the heat from a fire between many homes. In short, a 'communal central heating' system.

me thinks it would be a good idea to build this way, as a semi buried and earthed over home would be very hard to spot from the air or ground if it was camouflaged the right way.

That is amazing I had a dream a littlee over a month ago about partially underground homes that were interconnected. Above ground was like your garden\play with streams of water around them while semi-below was your homes. The other thing in the dream was you had a central kitchen,living & greenhouse area which then branched off to the living areas. In this dream they were dome or round type housing was the only difference. Very strange dream indeed but it was so vivid. Still don't know what purpose it served as according to the maps of global changes or polar shift my area would be underwater or too close to risk it.

[Sol Invictus]

Originally Posted by Trishsgate

That is amazing I had a dream a littlee over a month ago about partially underground homes that were interconnected. Above ground was like your garden\play with streams of water around them while semi-below was your homes. The other thing in the dream was you had a central kitchen,living & greenhouse area which then branched off to the living areas. In this dream they were dome or round type housing was the only difference. Very strange dream indeed but it was so vivid. Still don't know what purpose it served as according to the maps of global changes or polar shift my area would be underwater or too close to risk it.

Skara Brae had central dining areas with a fire right in the middle for equal heating to all parts of the house. It also served to funnel warm air through the tunnels in a great big doughnut shape. Every one heated every ones homes.

Right by the sea and with very fertile land about it. Its a beautiful place it really is.

[Trishsgate]

Thanks for the information just checked it out and it truly is amazing. The picture on Wikipedia with the vegetation buildup is pretty similar to what I viewed and yes the heating was in a central location. This may well be the way to proceed for myself as well. Just need to do a little more research on the rise in water. Seems to me my dream was telling me this was the way for me to proceed.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

ive had similar thoughts of an under ground vilage undetectable to outside forces.. im a bit bothered about going so far up north as i understand we are headed for an ice age??? but i imagined it in the highlands on the side of a hill on the edge of a wood with a lake at the bottom..no visible entrance or a door that was covered in actual plants or turf..

[Seva]

You mean like a hobbit house?

http://blissful.co.nz/blog/archives/...bbit_house.php

http://www.greenhomebuilding.com/index.htm

Originally Posted by Trishsgate

That is amazing I had a dream a littlee over a month ago about partially underground homes that were interconnected. Above ground was like your garden\play with streams of water around them while semi-below was your homes. The other thing in the dream was you had a central kitchen,living & greenhouse area which then branched off to the living areas. In this dream they were dome or round type housing was the only difference. Very strange dream indeed but it was so vivid. Still don't know what purpose it served as according to the maps of global changes or polar shift my area would be underwater or too close to risk it.

[SynchrOMicity]

Well U better hurry! As far as food and self preserevation, a very inexpensive item is a 22 cal. rifle, and you can still get ammo for about 8-13 bucks. That's 500 rounds. Goes along way for eating, etc. Will post other ideas later.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

im gonna stay in the suburbs as long as possible.. if nuke war erupts then that is where the undergrpound villages come in handy.. we will probably be the only ones left alive, witht he exceptions of a few chipped city dwellers. i think we will be ok as far as hiding goes.. tehy will just let us rot in the northen hemisphere ithink.. not sure how many of us they want to keep..

[Sol Invictus]

'They' have a suspected 'number' in mind, and thats 500 million people world wide.

500,000,000. Thats a figure that is thought to be a 'stabilised' amount for the earth to cope with.

Now, will they let 'us rot'? For certain they will, thats why soon will come the time of the small well hidden village that is totally self sustainable.

[showmemo]

What wonderful information shared on this post yes stay positive and think things through we can live and survive have seeds where there is a will there is a way! learn to build shelters find books on survival. What was said about only natives will survive is wrong only those who have the will and the strength will come through this.

You can purify water using different ways I saw some interesting ways on utube using sand and gravel in layers a natural filter system of course boil water. Peace brothers and sisters

Important too & lightweight for transport, stores for a looong time, is to have an assortment of seeds, to sprout for food... red clover/alfalfa, teeny tiny, hundreds per sq inch... especially in winter (seasonal warfare strategy right?), powerhouses of nutrition, rich in chlorophyl (think red blood cells) ! Lots of books out there on edible plants ! Sunshine on the skin makes D3 for immune system! I appreciate this thread! ty

[efields]

Originally Posted by Sol Invictus

'They' have a suspected 'number' in mind, and thats 500 million people world wide.

500,000,000. Thats a figure that is thought to be a 'stabilised' amount for the earth to cope with.

Now, will they let 'us rot'? For certain they will, thats why soon will come the time of the small well hidden village that is totally self sustainable.

Funny, '500 million' is the number Billy Meier mentioned that the Plejaeren told him was the maximum number that the earth should be supporting. I wonder if 'they' read his material and value it more that we realize?

[Sol Invictus]

500 million, not a soul more is what they want, and they aim to get it too.

Now this figure was first bandied about in the early 1960's when the worlds population was creeping past its third billion. Now it looks like we are going to have to see when their 'breaking point' will be.

How does the Iron Mountain report square with that? Didn't that figure go as high as a third? Either way - scary stuff if it is true. To think that there are those who think like that.

Sol - I'm not saying that handguns are useless, but just like all tools, they are made for specific jobs. I chose to discuss the 4-10 because it is the shotgun I am most familiar with and had the most success with hunting birds. I think anyone making such an investment, both in money to acquire them and time to learn how to use them properly, should plan on having multiple guns and plenty of ammo for all. I am hoping some other experts on these matters will contribute for those that don't know.

More to come . . .

[Dantheman62]

I own a 4/10 shotgun and it folds in half and very useful, carry around anything bigger for a day and you wish you had another choice, that's where a handgun comes in, as far as bamboo in U.S., good luck. I know that winter is actually better for fishing and easier to hunt animals.Best thing overall for multiple uses is a roll of plastic, catching rain water and shelter and can be used over and over again.Surviving is fairly easy unless you were raised in the city!, one of the best posts here is the one about being out of shape, that's where only the strong will survive.And to PEER, hunting is necessary, not just for fun!, if people didn't hunt deer for example, thousands of them would just die from starvation in the winter, hunting keeps herds down to a number than can live on the food thats available.

SHELTER FROM NATURE

Native Americans of North America had housing that was designed to accommodate many people, and be assembled and dismantled easily. Thanks to them, we have numerous models to consider from a multitude of different environments. These shelters could do in pinch, and can be constructed from what you find around you. Granted, they won’t stand up to five hundred mile an hour winds, but barring that, they might be well considered for a winter layover in the wilderness. Many reading this might not be able to lug tents around, nor will most commercial tents of reasonable price be ideal for winter quartering. Native American housing will allow for thicker walls, the accommodation of many people, and a hearth fire within the enclosure.

Here is a kids’ site – no directions for building, but there are images of several different types of lodging.

http://www.native-languages.org/houses.htm

This next site is designed for people trying to put together boy scout activities. I am posting the teepee page, but there is so much more on this site. It has step by step, detailed directions for building teepees, rush mats, skin coverings, etc. It is a big site with much to explore, and note the books that the guy has posted – a lot of information on building shelter from natural surroundings.

http://www.inquiry.net/outdoor/shelter/tepee.htm

Here are some books:


Pocket Guide to Field Dressing Game by Ron Cordes, Steve Gilbert, and Gilbert Cordes

Field Dressing and Butchering Upland Birds, Waterfowl, and Wild Turkeys by Monte Burch

The Complete Book of Tanning Skins and Furs by James E. Churchill


Field Dressing and Butchering Big Game: Step-by-Step Instructions, from Field to Table by Monte Burch

Field Dressing and Butchering Deer: Step-by-Step Instructions, from Field to Table by Monte Burch

Field Dressing and Butchering Rabbits, Squirrels, and Other Small Game by Monte Burch

Preparing Fish & Wild Game: The Complete Photo Guide to Cleaning and Cooking Your Wild Harvest by Editors of creative Publishing

The Ultimate Guide to Skinning and Tanning: A Complete Guide to Working with Pelts, Fur, and Leather by Monte Burch

Hope some of that helps – and I welcome any additional advice/specifics on housing or skin preparation.

[Peer]

Hai Dan,
I agree hunting is nessecary but no more than you need, no more than you can eat.
The idea that it is nessecary because they otherwise would starve in winter is turning things upside down.
Why didn't they starve before mankind had firearms?
I've heard these story's before and it is nonsense.
Nature will rule itself and doesn't need the white man's infinite wisdom.

What's more important is:
When you have shot an animal, be it rabbit or elk do you know how to skin it?
What to do with the skin?
Will you use the liver and kidney's
What can we make out of the guts and the tendons or will we leave them there to rot and eventually contaminate a watersource or attract foxes, wolves, bears and wolverines?

Absolute nono's:
Aftershave, soap (perfumed or not).
No chewing-gum.
It will take about 3-4 days for your smell to become "natural" and by natural I mean non-chemical and you will not scare animals away by your strange "non-forest" smell.
Many soldiers died in Vietnam because the VC detected them by the smell of their aftershave and their chewing-gum and they themselves were packed in such a cloud of chemical smell that they wouldn't detect a pile of elephantdung if they stood in it.
No shaving cause a beard is good camouflage.
No talking.
By talking you don't hear the birdsounds changing.
Ever heard birdsounds changing when you were walking in the forest?
They see you and warn each other.
Every animal hears it too and detects you long before you detect the animal.
Listen to the birds and if they suddenly become silent be very attentive because it might mean there is another hunter nearby and you yourself are probably the prey.

[Dantheman62]

If I could ever make it back to northern Minnesota in the event of some disaster, there's more deer,rabbit,squirrels,and all kinds of birds than you know what to do with! The fishing is excellent and easy, and there is still land which is almost untouched by man. The only drawback of going to MN. is it gets extremely cold in the winter, like -20 degrees below zero for days on end. I know all this because I grew up there and also left there when I was 18(way to cold) and moved to Florida. But I am experienced in the wildlife and fishing there, after all it is the land of 10,000 lakes!(state motto) P.S. Squirrel tastes exactly like chicken! and If I knew I was going to a cold climate I wouldn't need the skins of animals because I'd already have coats, sweaters,gloves, and all needed items to stay warm so I don't think we would have to resort to extreme primitive means, unlike the indians and settlers of old had to. P.S.,P.S. I like you're quote about the queens english, funny!

Thanks for this thread! Great information from everyone.

I have a question though--->
For those of us here in the US on the East Coast who are living check to check, hand to mouth. When do we stop paying the bills and start using the little money we have on Survival Supplies, i.e dried meats, canned goods, water, and protection?

I have been taking a small piece of my grocery budget to buy more canned goods, but I do not have anyway of purchasing a 6 month supply.

Any suggestions is greatly appreciated.

[Dantheman62]

Originally Posted by kamchadon

Thanks for this thread! Great information from everyone.

I have a question though--->
For those of us here in the US on the East Coast who are living check to check, hand to mouth. When do we stop paying the bills and start using the little money we have on Survival Supplies, i.e dried meats, canned goods, water, and protection?

I have been taking a small piece of my grocery budget to buy more canned goods, but I do not have anyway of purchasing a 6 month supply.

Any suggestions is greatly appreciated.

Hey k, there is no real way of knowing when, just keep a very close eye on the news and such and if need be run to the store quickly. For now it sounds like you're doing the right thing, alittle at a time and don't forget dehydrated stuff too. I know if I have to I'll break into the store if need be,just to survive.

Thanks Dan!

I will keep doing it a little at a time. If I think of anything else that can benefit others who are on a tight budget, I will be sure to add to the thread/discussion.


Peace & Light
Kam

[Dantheman62]

I'm actually unemployed and just about broke so like I said, if I have to go to extremes I will, but growing up in minnesota has prepared me to pretty much survive on the land.