A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. - Page 4

Swamisalami · 10-06-2008, 08:05 AM

PLEASE, brothers and sisters.

We, at Avalon, are here to collect information which is keepen away from us, Norval provides us with this kind of info. It's the WAY you take this information in which makes the emotions flow, not the information itself! If its to confrontating, chew on it for a while before posting a reaction to it. You can't blame the info. Info IS info and thats it.

Matthew 4:16,17
16 the people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned." 17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."

Love, Luck and Light to all you posters in this thread. Please dont let it explode, there's exploding enough these days around the world.

http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q...ld&hl=nl&emb=0

Ashatav · 10-06-2008, 08:34 AM

Swamisalami, In a response of an old post from you I really validate the Urantia book.

I don't know it's source (really nobody knows exactly) but what it says is the oposite what the luciferian wanna-be ruling cabal are saying and believes, so, in that parameter, it´s ok.

That's (what the little evoluted luciferian cabal believes)

-The no-existence or existence with little importance of Jehoshua (that's a important topic because if they tries to eliminate this figure from the history is for something, like Teilhard de Chardin's -jesuit- New Age scam)

(in any case, you know the spiritual bases of UN are Teilhard and Alice A Bailey, a satanist, just look out at the publishers of her books, Lucis Trust, before called Lucifer trust! and that's Real!)

-The divinity of the human being with out GOD.

-The rules are made by the subjet alone.

-We all gonna be One and mold with the Oness.

-Long live to Isis Horus and Seth and all they alternative names (a long list, Mary, Moon, Semiramis as isis, etc. etc. etc.).

-You are cattle, ahaha!

So, if you find something with these topics in it's ideology, trash it!

etc.

Cheers!

Swamisalami · 10-06-2008, 08:59 AM

THX, Ashatav

10-06-2008, 12:45 PM

I agree with Carol because Avalon is about sharing individual knowledge and accepting that everyone is different. We are supposed to be about love not about hate. We need to always respect another's view, even if we disagree with their beliefs.
Perhaps you may find this article interesting : Crater Chains Part II. I can't seem to get a link from avalon to this site.

Argante · 10-06-2008, 01:11 PM

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Just a quick post to let all members know that if you do not like it here, and think that you can demand the removal of a Moderator or you will leave...

Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out! See ya. Bye.

Mary Lou

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10-06-2008, 01:20 PM

Thread to remain locked as per Norval's request

Sol Invictus · 10-06-2008, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henners

Typical. We do not need people like you here. Very mature.

Its not very nice of Norval to add that, nor was it needed. a simple 'I disagree' would suffice. I know I am new here, but some people seem to think 'they and they alone' have the truth.

Sol Invictus · 10-06-2008, 07:35 AM

Earth to moon.

Moon to Mars.

Mars to Iapetus.

Iapetus to Triton.

Triton to Kupier belt and beyond.

Sol Invictus · 10-06-2008, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norval

Henners, fut the shuck up as a NASA image artist told some one, , , ,

Very rarely have I ever made a snap judgement on some one, but I don't care what information you have - if Jesus himself went around telling people to 'fut the shuck up' i would punt him square on and send him packing, no exceptions.
Manners maketh the man and thus seperate us from the monkey.

gazbom · 10-06-2008, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carol

Aloha gazbom,

I've been reading over this thread and your posts tend to exhibit a pattern of disrespect toward anyone who disagrees with your point of view. I for one know that time travel exists. I also know there are bases on the moon. I've read unpublished interviews of the insiders as I edit these documents for future publishing.

Not all of Norvals assumptions are accurate which is okay. If he were to have access to some of the info I've seen I suspect his opinion would change. I also know there are multiple timelines and that it has been altered and have proof, which is also unpublished information from top level military sources.

Each person here is to be respected and not dissed just because there is a difference in opinion. Please follow the spirit and guidelines of Avalon.

Mahalo,

Carol

OK, point taken!

henners · 10-06-2008, 06:37 AM

I think every body should have respect for each other whether you are a moderator or a whistler blower. Everyone is allowed their opinion so don't put S..t on any one else. Lets keep it above the belt and respect everyone, please.....

Carol · 10-06-2008, 06:38 AM

Norval, each of us is entitled to our own opinion which is based on our own information from different sources. I respect your information and think what you have to share is of value and of interest.

I also respect my inside top military sources which are from both the US and Canada. However, I'm not at liberty to share this info as it is yet unpublished. The reason I do know what I know is because I edited the transcripts.

If I am wrong, which I seriously doubt, I apologize to you in advance.

Peace,

Carol

Norval · 10-06-2008, 06:41 AM

Unacceptable.

Lies at every level.

I am at the highest level. KMA

Your removal as a moderator is my sign.

Norval

Norval · 10-06-2008, 06:57 AM

Mark 9:12

gazbom · 10-06-2008, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carol

Aloha gazbom,

I've been reading over this thread and your posts tend to exhibit a pattern of disrespect toward anyone who disagrees with your point of view. I for one know that time travel exists. I also know there are bases on the moon. I've read unpublished interviews of the insiders as I edit these documents for future publishing.

Not all of Norvals assumptions are accurate which is okay. If he were to have access to some of the info I've seen I suspect his opinion would change. I also know there are multiple timelines and that it has been altered and have proof, which is also unpublished information from top level military sources.

Each person here is to be respected and not dissed just because there is a difference in opinion. Please follow the spirit and guidelines of Avalon.

Mahalo,

Carol

If I have shown disrespect to any person on this this forum I would like to take this chance to appologise, as that was not my intention, especially to Old Dood who I consider a friend.
I also consider ALL of Gale and Norval's assumption's to be extremely accurate but that's only my humble oppinion, I don't happen to believe time travel exists but again that's only my humble oppinion, I wouldn't have thought this makes me disrespectfull.
I respect every person here and to the best of my knowledge I have alway's followed the spirit and guidelines of Avalon.
Kind regards.

PS. Not all of Norvals assumptions are accurate which is okay. Say's who? You? Do I now accuse you of being disrespectful to Norval?

arcora · 10-06-2008, 11:57 AM

Popped in for a lurk and had to respond to this thread as it is of prime importance.

First, if memory serves, it is Judges who have no mandatory retirement.

Why does any mention of the Bible set so many people on edge? It is imperative to understand that the Bible is separate from the religions that sprung up around it. The Bible as a book is NOT corrupt. It IS the Word of God.

During the time of the council of Nicea the church had the task of collating and establishing one set of universally accepted works that make up this book. We can debate all day long about the intentions of the council. My personal experience with human nature is that corruption sinks in and takes root slowly and insidiously. The council itself may have had some corrupt members with different agendas (just like this forum) but was, for the most part, attended by true believers who were attempting to make the Word of God available for all people in the world. Most members of the council had pure intentions and good hearts.

The corruption took root later and now many people have equated the corruption with the Word itself which is exactly what the corrupt wanted. They don't want you to understand the Word. This is why they give you corrupt interpretations and don't encourage self study or alternative interpretations. If you don't read or don't trust the Bible you are doing exactly what the PTB want. The Bible is a bombshell that they do not want people to understand because it subverts their power and dominion over you.

There are a few constant themes throughout the Bible that are anathema to the New Age movement which is another reason some here don't want to believe it. One of these themes is devotion to God the Father.

Too many people have bought into the false idea that they are themselves Gods or coCreators. This is the penultimate ego trip taken by those same people who claim to have detatched themselves from ego. For those of you who insist that you are a God (I have seen one person post here who called God his 'brother') you really need to take stock and humbly accept your place in the Universal scheme. Lucifer was cast down for the very same thinking. How can you decry the Luciferians in one breath and claim to be a Creator in the next?

God is much like a father. Think of a family unit - parents and small children. The parents know and understand things that the children can't. The parents love their children and want them to learn about their world. The children get caught up in what they want and through short sightedness and lack of understanding make mistakes. Parents lovingly correct their children and expect obedience because they know that it is for the children's own good.

This is the relationship God the Father expects - you are the child. You don't know or understand the things He does. Therefore you must obey while you learn. Some of you are like teenagers. You know a little - just enough to think you know everything. What you don't know can kill you. The Father understands this but you don't.

Events are coming which have to be. Someone asked about Dr. Deagle's phone call. I don't know if he had a real vision or if he's looking for publicity. Really it doesn't matter. What he said is a good encapsulation of events that will transpire. The events may or may not culminate this week. They may just get a start in the same manner as the assasination of Archduke Ferdinand.

Time is short. Everyone here seems to understand that. Read the Bible. Keep an open mind. Replace the word 'heaven' with 'sky' and replace the word 'angel' with 'et' if that helps you.

Accept your proper place in the cosmic family and let God take care of the things he needs to. Just like Hollywood movies - Good always overcomes evil and there is a happy ending to the Book.

Racsouran · 10-06-2008, 12:00 PM

arcora · 10-06-2008, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carol

Aloha gazbom,

I've been reading over this thread and your posts tend to exhibit a pattern of disrespect toward anyone who disagrees with your point of view. I for one know that time travel exists. I also know there are bases on the moon. I've read unpublished interviews of the insiders as I edit these documents for future publishing.

Not all of Norvals assumptions are accurate which is okay. If he were to have access to some of the info I've seen I suspect his opinion would change. I also know there are multiple timelines and that it has been altered and have proof, which is also unpublished information from top level military sources.

Each person here is to be respected and not dissed just because there is a difference in opinion. Please follow the spirit and guidelines of Avalon.

Mahalo,

Carol

One can believe in the existence of moon bases. The only way one can know of them is to have been there. Have you been there?

The oldest trick in the book is to say "I possess secret knowledge that that refutes your claims". Unfortunately, those with the 'secret' knowledge are usually unwilling to say what it is.

Usually this tactic is taken by those who have no ability to effectively defend their own beliefs when they feel they are under attack.

10-04-2008, 07:37 PM

Norval,
Please do not dismiss my question. It was a valid inquiry.

I am literate and I have studied many things for more years than you and so have a lot more on this forum. Some of us here have been searching for the real truth, and I repeat real truth, not something some POPE put together from SELECTED scrolls from different sects or tribes that originally came from the SUMERIAN ANCIENT HISTORY TEXTS. Abraham came from the land of Shumer {Sumeria}

I respect your belief system and I expect you also to respect mine and others in return.

All of the answers are not in the bible, only some clues. The information that you feel is proof positive has already been written about in many books referring to bible passages for at least decades. Nothing new here.

What I saw in your correspondence with Bill and Kerry is that you believe that you are a whistleblower and should be interviewed because you have all the answers from a Biblical Technical Perspective and your ELITE connections with the government.

Bill and Kerry are not looking for the answers for the forum or the site. They are just presenting the possibilities and we make the decision about what we want to make of the information given. Additionally, Kerry and Bill have a right to their opinions as well; and you are telling them that they are wrong.

Many people on this forum have had experiences that you cannot possibly conceive. Everyone is different; and Norval, you know what? This is the beauty of the human race. Try to see the beauty in others, just for a moment. When someone does disagree with you they could be right. Check it out. Maybe you both are right.

10-04-2008, 09:59 PM

Dump this trash barge and sail for the sunrise

before its too late. this forum is riddled with

Egomania ,Dementia and dumb.Goodluck Bill and

Kerry and i wish you the best.I know your hearts

are in the right place.You should take into

account that this cancer will spead.

I still cant believe the bunk i have read here.

Mr norval ,did you blow the whistle that the bible has secrets?

Or that some folks see aliens or the fact than mankind has a much different and more interesting past than told to us in the history books? Nevermind please. I wont be reading anymore and wont see your reply.

This whole thing is a joke.right? My turn hehe (In jest)."Im here to say to all folks in forum land. i want to tell you that sometimes government and other important people lie to us.My discovery will be of monumental importance for all times and all people."I get dibs on the first book the screenplay and Royalties everytime someone says"doomsday". Awesome! i've heard it all before (ALL)long before this forum was born. Try meditation,it'll help with tension and dealing with ass hats like myself.

p.s i'm hoping on october 14th the galaxy will

expel some large scary space crafts for your

viewing pleasure.i'll be knitting and having tea

with goblins that day .Do tell the details.
Goodluck all.

10-04-2008, 10:08 PM

For all you who DID NOT see this?
SEE IT !!!

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

sunnyrap · 10-05-2008, 12:33 AM

Yes, I got through more than an hour of it before it just refused to load the rest. And even at that point, I was cheering out loud and pumping the air--like Tiger Woods sinking that million dollar putt, having that expansive heart feeling when 'Willy, The Orca" sails over the barrier to freedom at sea... Finally, some uplifting thoughts and visions are breaking through the gloom like sun burning off fog!
I quickly searched their site to see how I could sign up to help their movement any way I could...

Trishsgate · 10-04-2008, 10:10 PM

Hi Norval & Gale, thank you for coming out so to speak.
This is no coincidence for me I have been listening to what Red Elk has to say about all this as well and relistened to his last message just last night. He was on Coast to Coast I believe either on Sept. 17th or 18th.. He seems to think much if not all this could be avoided (cataclysms) if we follow the creator. Would the Gnostics be more in line with less disinformation or is the bible free and clear, I really want to know.

I understand from research that it has been altered to serve the money changers and reinforce slavery. However I still value it for the moral value system it represents as well as guidance. I am sorry to say I do not find it a religious book for me to follow but more of a guide for life in general. I have researched far to many wars and conflicts that start over this subject "religion" as many people wish to represent their god as better than any other god for me this is not god in any fashion nor could it ever be it is an illusion in the mind of that person and their religious system.

nagualton · 10-04-2008, 10:29 PM

Hi Norval,

You are right about who's behind the bible, but certainly you are wrong if you think they (ET) create us. In this case totally opposite, they want us to believe that, it's part of the game. We are pure energy not some ET/Dr.Frankenstein experiment.

All religions on this planet are produced to keep us blind, and as far is possible from the real true.

10-04-2008, 10:35 PM

Many blessings to everyone,regardless of your beliefs. My belief is that no matter what anyone does they are still part of the whole and hate towards any individual or group is unacceptable. Therefore, as I have said before, no one individual or group is right about everything. We all have a piece to the puzzle. Annihilation of one group over another is archaic and we should all have learned better by now. Enough said.

10-06-2008, 08:05 AM	#1
Swamisalami Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 158	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. PLEASE, brothers and sisters. We, at Avalon, are here to collect information which is keepen away from us, Norval provides us with this kind of info. It's the WAY you take this information in which makes the emotions flow, not the information itself! If its to confrontating, chew on it for a while before posting a reaction to it. You can't blame the info. Info IS info and thats it. Matthew 4:16,17 16 the people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned." 17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near." Love, Luck and Light to all you posters in this thread. Please dont let it explode, there's exploding enough these days around the world. http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q...ld&hl=nl&emb=0

10-06-2008, 08:34 AM	#2
Ashatav Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 603	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. Swamisalami, In a response of an old post from you I really validate the Urantia book. I don't know it's source (really nobody knows exactly) but what it says is the oposite what the luciferian wanna-be ruling cabal are saying and believes, so, in that parameter, it´s ok. That's (what the little evoluted luciferian cabal believes) -The no-existence or existence with little importance of Jehoshua (that's a important topic because if they tries to eliminate this figure from the history is for something, like Teilhard de Chardin's -jesuit- New Age scam) (in any case, you know the spiritual bases of UN are Teilhard and Alice A Bailey, a satanist, just look out at the publishers of her books, Lucis Trust, before called Lucifer trust! and that's Real!) -The divinity of the human being with out GOD. -The rules are made by the subjet alone. -We all gonna be One and mold with the Oness. -Long live to Isis Horus and Seth and all they alternative names (a long list, Mary, Moon, Semiramis as isis, etc. etc. etc.). -You are cattle, ahaha! So, if you find something with these topics in it's ideology, trash it! etc. Cheers!

10-06-2008, 08:59 AM	#3
Swamisalami Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 158	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. THX, Ashatav

10-06-2008, 12:45 PM	#4
Alexandra Guest Posts: n/a	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. I agree with Carol because Avalon is about sharing individual knowledge and accepting that everyone is different. We are supposed to be about love not about hate. We need to always respect another's view, even if we disagree with their beliefs. Perhaps you may find this article interesting : Crater Chains Part II. I can't seem to get a link from avalon to this site. Last edited by Alexandra; 10-06-2008 at 12:59 PM.

10-06-2008, 01:11 PM	#5
Argante Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Frostbite Falls, MN Posts: 287	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. . Just a quick post to let all members know that if you do not like it here, and think that you can demand the removal of a Moderator or you will leave... Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out! See ya. Bye. Mary Lou .

10-06-2008, 01:20 PM	#6
Colin Guest Posts: n/a	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. Thread to remain locked as per Norval's request

10-06-2008, 07:35 AM	#8
Sol Invictus Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 599	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. Earth to moon. Moon to Mars. Mars to Iapetus. Iapetus to Triton. Triton to Kupier belt and beyond.

10-06-2008, 06:37 AM	#11
henners Project Avalon Researcher Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 432	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. I think every body should have respect for each other whether you are a moderator or a whistler blower. Everyone is allowed their opinion so don't put S..t on any one else. Lets keep it above the belt and respect everyone, please..... __________________ Henners Thoughts are boomerangs, returning with precision to their source. Choose wisely which ones you throw.

10-06-2008, 06:38 AM	#12
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. Norval, each of us is entitled to our own opinion which is based on our own information from different sources. I respect your information and think what you have to share is of value and of interest. I also respect my inside top military sources which are from both the US and Canada. However, I'm not at liberty to share this info as it is yet unpublished. The reason I do know what I know is because I edited the transcripts. If I am wrong, which I seriously doubt, I apologize to you in advance. Peace, Carol __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198

10-06-2008, 06:41 AM	#13
Norval Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: On a boat in Tacoma, wa, usa Posts: 394	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. Unacceptable. Lies at every level. I am at the highest level. KMA Your removal as a moderator is my sign. Norval

10-06-2008, 06:57 AM	#14
Norval Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: On a boat in Tacoma, wa, usa Posts: 394	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. Mark 9:12

10-06-2008, 11:57 AM	#16
arcora Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 696	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. Popped in for a lurk and had to respond to this thread as it is of prime importance. First, if memory serves, it is Judges who have no mandatory retirement. Why does any mention of the Bible set so many people on edge? It is imperative to understand that the Bible is separate from the religions that sprung up around it. The Bible as a book is NOT corrupt. It IS the Word of God. During the time of the council of Nicea the church had the task of collating and establishing one set of universally accepted works that make up this book. We can debate all day long about the intentions of the council. My personal experience with human nature is that corruption sinks in and takes root slowly and insidiously. The council itself may have had some corrupt members with different agendas (just like this forum) but was, for the most part, attended by true believers who were attempting to make the Word of God available for all people in the world. Most members of the council had pure intentions and good hearts. The corruption took root later and now many people have equated the corruption with the Word itself which is exactly what the corrupt wanted. They don't want you to understand the Word. This is why they give you corrupt interpretations and don't encourage self study or alternative interpretations. If you don't read or don't trust the Bible you are doing exactly what the PTB want. The Bible is a bombshell that they do not want people to understand because it subverts their power and dominion over you. There are a few constant themes throughout the Bible that are anathema to the New Age movement which is another reason some here don't want to believe it. One of these themes is devotion to God the Father. Too many people have bought into the false idea that they are themselves Gods or coCreators. This is the penultimate ego trip taken by those same people who claim to have detatched themselves from ego. For those of you who insist that you are a God (I have seen one person post here who called God his 'brother') you really need to take stock and humbly accept your place in the Universal scheme. Lucifer was cast down for the very same thinking. How can you decry the Luciferians in one breath and claim to be a Creator in the next? God is much like a father. Think of a family unit - parents and small children. The parents know and understand things that the children can't. The parents love their children and want them to learn about their world. The children get caught up in what they want and through short sightedness and lack of understanding make mistakes. Parents lovingly correct their children and expect obedience because they know that it is for the children's own good. This is the relationship God the Father expects - you are the child. You don't know or understand the things He does. Therefore you must obey while you learn. Some of you are like teenagers. You know a little - just enough to think you know everything. What you don't know can kill you. The Father understands this but you don't. Events are coming which have to be. Someone asked about Dr. Deagle's phone call. I don't know if he had a real vision or if he's looking for publicity. Really it doesn't matter. What he said is a good encapsulation of events that will transpire. The events may or may not culminate this week. They may just get a start in the same manner as the assasination of Archduke Ferdinand. Time is short. Everyone here seems to understand that. Read the Bible. Keep an open mind. Replace the word 'heaven' with 'sky' and replace the word 'angel' with 'et' if that helps you. Accept your proper place in the cosmic family and let God take care of the things he needs to. Just like Hollywood movies - Good always overcomes evil and there is a happy ending to the Book.

10-06-2008, 12:00 PM	#17
Racsouran Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 248	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum.

10-04-2008, 07:37 PM	#19
Alexandra Guest Posts: n/a	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. Norval, Please do not dismiss my question. It was a valid inquiry. I am literate and I have studied many things for more years than you and so have a lot more on this forum. Some of us here have been searching for the real truth, and I repeat real truth, not something some POPE put together from SELECTED scrolls from different sects or tribes that originally came from the SUMERIAN ANCIENT HISTORY TEXTS. Abraham came from the land of Shumer {Sumeria} I respect your belief system and I expect you also to respect mine and others in return. All of the answers are not in the bible, only some clues. The information that you feel is proof positive has already been written about in many books referring to bible passages for at least decades. Nothing new here. What I saw in your correspondence with Bill and Kerry is that you believe that you are a whistleblower and should be interviewed because you have all the answers from a Biblical Technical Perspective and your ELITE connections with the government. Bill and Kerry are not looking for the answers for the forum or the site. They are just presenting the possibilities and we make the decision about what we want to make of the information given. Additionally, Kerry and Bill have a right to their opinions as well; and you are telling them that they are wrong. Many people on this forum have had experiences that you cannot possibly conceive. Everyone is different; and Norval, you know what? This is the beauty of the human race. Try to see the beauty in others, just for a moment. When someone does disagree with you they could be right. Check it out. Maybe you both are right. Last edited by Alexandra; 10-04-2008 at 07:40 PM.

10-04-2008, 09:59 PM	#20
Jelly Guest Posts: n/a	so sorry camelot Dump this trash barge and sail for the sunrise before its too late. this forum is riddled with Egomania ,Dementia and dumb.Goodluck Bill and Kerry and i wish you the best.I know your hearts are in the right place.You should take into account that this cancer will spead. I still cant believe the bunk i have read here. Mr norval ,did you blow the whistle that the bible has secrets? Or that some folks see aliens or the fact than mankind has a much different and more interesting past than told to us in the history books? Nevermind please. I wont be reading anymore and wont see your reply. This whole thing is a joke.right? My turn hehe (In jest)."Im here to say to all folks in forum land. i want to tell you that sometimes government and other important people lie to us.My discovery will be of monumental importance for all times and all people."I get dibs on the first book the screenplay and Royalties everytime someone says"doomsday". Awesome! i've heard it all before (ALL)long before this forum was born. Try meditation,it'll help with tension and dealing with ass hats like myself. p.s i'm hoping on october 14th the galaxy will expel some large scary space crafts for your viewing pleasure.i'll be knitting and having tea with goblins that day .Do tell the details. Goodluck all.

10-04-2008, 10:08 PM	#21
Kuculcan Guest Posts: n/a	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. For all you who DID NOT see this? SEE IT !!! http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

10-05-2008, 12:33 AM	#22
sunnyrap Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 147	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. Yes, I got through more than an hour of it before it just refused to load the rest. And even at that point, I was cheering out loud and pumping the air--like Tiger Woods sinking that million dollar putt, having that expansive heart feeling when 'Willy, The Orca" sails over the barrier to freedom at sea... Finally, some uplifting thoughts and visions are breaking through the gloom like sun burning off fog! I quickly searched their site to see how I could sign up to help their movement any way I could...

10-04-2008, 10:10 PM	#23
Trishsgate Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NC, USA Posts: 140	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. Hi Norval & Gale, thank you for coming out so to speak. This is no coincidence for me I have been listening to what Red Elk has to say about all this as well and relistened to his last message just last night. He was on Coast to Coast I believe either on Sept. 17th or 18th.. He seems to think much if not all this could be avoided (cataclysms) if we follow the creator. Would the Gnostics be more in line with less disinformation or is the bible free and clear, I really want to know. I understand from research that it has been altered to serve the money changers and reinforce slavery. However I still value it for the moral value system it represents as well as guidance. I am sorry to say I do not find it a religious book for me to follow but more of a guide for life in general. I have researched far to many wars and conflicts that start over this subject "religion" as many people wish to represent their god as better than any other god for me this is not god in any fashion nor could it ever be it is an illusion in the mind of that person and their religious system.

10-04-2008, 10:29 PM	#24
nagualton Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 53	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. Hi Norval, You are right about who's behind the bible, but certainly you are wrong if you think they (ET) create us. In this case totally opposite, they want us to believe that, it's part of the game. We are pure energy not some ET/Dr.Frankenstein experiment. All religions on this planet are produced to keep us blind, and as far is possible from the real true.

10-04-2008, 10:35 PM	#25
Alexandra Guest Posts: n/a	Re: A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. Many blessings to everyone,regardless of your beliefs. My belief is that no matter what anyone does they are still part of the whole and hate towards any individual or group is unacceptable. Therefore, as I have said before, no one individual or group is right about everything. We all have a piece to the puzzle. Annihilation of one group over another is archaic and we should all have learned better by now. Enough said.