JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot - Page 5

12-23-2008, 12:15 AM

Interesting terminology for information we've read or heard before. Why make it complicated, with fancy terminology almost coming off like they are new concepts.
The perspective on the Anu and the Anunnaki is rather disagreeable and not in a favorable tone. How they dare question the will and actions of the Creator? Do you really think The Most High Supreme Being Anu, deceived, manipulated souls just to imprison them?

ENdJOY · 12-23-2008, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebula

Interesting terminology for information we've read or heard before. Why make it complicated, with fancy terminology almost coming off like they are new concepts.

It is not intended to make it "complicated" it is to give you a new word for you brain NOT to associate with the old ones... you ask ten different people what "soul" is...and you will get ten different answers...and none of them will define what we understand the Sovereign Integral is... these old words just get in the way when they are associated with a GSSC program.

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The perspective on the Anu and the Anunnaki is rather disagreeable and not in a favorable tone. How they dare question the will and actions of the Creator? Do you really think The Most High Supreme Being Anu, deceived, manipulated souls just to imprison them?

yes, I do, because Anu IS NOT the "most high supreme being"... he is not THE creator, he is just creative... FIRST SOURCE is ALL of US...a collective consciousness...not a GOD but a harmonized tone of equality that you can get in tune with, by discovering your true identity (the sovereign integral -fragment of God) that dwells within you.

asteram · 12-23-2008, 03:59 AM

ahh, we've heard all this before, no? The sunrise is the sunrise, don't tell me it's anything more. The earth is a turtle-shell bowl held on the back of elephants, and the sun goes underneath in the night time. It's all karma, as I read yesterday on another forum. All karma.

What if?

Yes I'm talking to you, holy fool. What if?

Does this push your buttons? Good, say I. It is meant to do that. It is meant to make you question everything.

What care I if the book of Jesus says this and the book of Buddha says that and this other book tells me something different? What is my goal?

Give up on this lame **** of quoting others, arguing from their positions. What is your position? Do you get it or don't you? Is it yours or is it something you have accepted?

I think it's difficult to deny that the rejection of the hierarchy is heresy. How dare one do that? Dare you question all that you have accepted? Dare you question everything you have ever read, heard, experienced?

Do you think this writer is buying into the cosmology and dogma of the WingMakers? Do you think he is unable to discern? I (read I) hold no dogma. Rather I am ready to learn and to experience. Prove it, don't give me ********. I know ********.

Let's give a for instance. Let's say what James talks about in the interview has some validity. That all this spiritual hierarchy being discussed is actually a construct of a rather egotistic chip off the old block who saw the opportunity to cut a fat hog. This Anu. Is he special? Don't we all wish to construct reality and make it our own? What is creating your own reality other than that?

Do you think the Creator needs to be worshiped?

It's his creation, is it not? How much worship do you need from your own creation?

In the case we are talking about, where the Creator has split itself into myriad parts and given them each freewill: You yourself are a chip off the old block. Do you need worship from that you have created? Or do you perhaps have a grander goal in mind?

Here's what is going on from my point of view: the Creator has extended itself into the most dense form, and some entities have been seduced or intrigued into incarnating in dense form, in bodies such as our own. They may have been seduced into that by the inducements of the entity Anu; they didn't lack free will. They still don't. Nonetheless it has been a fascinating journey, has it not? Perhaps the Creator allowed it to happen in this way for a purpose?

What James may be saying is that part of the plan has been realized through the manifestation of actual soul/spirit/entities into these human forms, and these forms are personally sending back the experience to the Creator. The Creator has not yet, at least on this planet, fully manifested itself into its creation, but the potential to do so has been placed within the human instruments to access Source, to enable some unknown "source codes" to be activated, and for the full manifestation of the Creator's potential to be realized here. All feeds back to the Creator, but at the same time all feeds forward from the Creator.

I'll leave it there for now.

12-23-2008, 04:13 AM

Endjoy,

I know terms like:
The ALL
Ether
Soul
Densities / Planes/realms (material, force, spiritual, mental, divine truth, divine reality, eternal bliss)
Mental Reservior
Conciousness
Spirit
Ego
Illusion

Giving something a new word doesn't change what that thing is! I agree, you can get different perspectives of the soul from different ppl and all. But using fancy words for something we already know doesn't resonate for me. But if it resonates to you then all is agreeable as well.

We have long ways to go and there is much much more information to be learned on our journey back home. Back to the source of all. I have simply learned to call it "The ALL" which means everything in existence.
Anu the Most High is a creator as endowed by the ALL who created us and we are all within the ALL. I never said he was the source of all.

See we forgot our true nature. So I endevour to become a Supreme being once again, so i have to follow the example of those who came before us, on this journey back to the ALL.

Does that sound complicated to you?

dayzero · 01-07-2009, 08:35 PM

H aha!

Totally reversed my 'opinion'

I get it now, having listened to the Audio interviews with James.

LucidJia · 02-15-2009, 02:38 AM

Is there any way to listen to the full tracks of this music without paying for it? If not I am very skeptical. Why would he charge for this if it is an amazing gift given from an ancient race? Only the people with an extra $14.99 can evolve there DNA?

Jia.

Czymra · 02-15-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LucidJia

Is there any way to listen to the full tracks of this music without paying for it? If not I am very skeptical. Why would he charge for this if it is an amazing gift given from an ancient race? Only the people with an extra $14.99 can evolve there DNA?

Jia.

Well, after all the discussion, that's what eventually stopped me as well.
Free your soul, it's just 3.99.

dayzero · 02-15-2009, 10:16 AM

You'll find some free downloads of the music here;

http://www.wingmakers.com/wingmusic/music.html

Along with [IMO] a very good mp3 interview, 3 hours long, highly instructive.
And free also. Scroll down a little.....

http://www.wingmakers.com/whats-new.html

dayzero · 02-15-2009, 10:18 AM

"Do you really think The Most High Supreme Being Anu, deceived, manipulated souls just to imprison them? "

Ha ha! On your knees Human!

clarkkent · 02-15-2009, 04:22 PM

i have to say, all these various sources are confusing.

the james interview has good things in it, but so does micheal st clair and the "bloodline insider" --theres good material i agree with, but at the same time i really agree with "milk and honey" that the whole human goldminers doesnt really make sense. the idea that an ultra powerful "godlike" being couldnt find an easier way to get some "bling" other than creating "HMS" sounds like baloney to me, i remember steven greer shooting down this hypothesis saying were on the verge of being able to create elements from other elements with our technology NOW, the idea of a technologically and spiritually advanced annunaki not being able to do that is loony.

i also find the common thread with the 3 above mentioned people is they all believe earth is and the human body is a "prison", the illuminati operate under that idea too. at st clairs website i find it funny he comments about being so above the common man and being the "master" of light or crystals or whatever, not a very humble dude. the "bloodline insider" refers to all of us as "peasants' who wont escape this prison because we dont view it as such in the first place.

after all this reading from all these sources and david wilcock, and all the camelot witnesses..honestly all anyone can do is be a good person and treat yourself and others with respect if we all did that we'd be fine. everything else is just fun speculation as to the true nature of the universe. what good is knowing about quantum mechanics, alien visitation, the origin of humanity, meditation, the illuminati, and every other conspiracy on the planet if your an egotistical jerk.

id say being a good person outweighs figuring out how to master your breathing or becoming one with everything (especially since everyone already is ONE, you cant not be one with all)

ill give wilcock and dr greer this, they at least seem like nice guys with a good sense of humor certain witnesses give me the creeps.
anyhow, itll be an exciting next few years, ill be sure to not make the mistake of thinking im above the 'common people" for maybe being a little more informed.

Malletzky · 02-15-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by clarkkent

...what good is knowing about quantum mechanics, alien visitation, the origin of humanity, meditation, the illuminati, and every other conspiracy on the planet if your an egotistical jerk.

id say being a good person outweighs figuring out how to master your breathing or becoming one with everything (especially since everyone already is ONE, you cant not be one with all)...

...anyhow, itll be an exciting next few years, ill be sure to not make the mistake of thinking im above the 'common people" for maybe being a little more informed.

Well said Clarkkent.

Just to point here that we, the humans, have been teached that our IQ is the main value of being "common" or special. But this is not true...

We also have an EQ = Emotional Intelligence Quotient.

And there it comes: an IQ of 140 or more is worthless, if you're an emotinal (or egoistical) jerk...

Read the Books EQ 1 and EQ2 from Daniel Goleman, you'll have an A-HA expirience...

malletzky

Czymra · 02-24-2009, 11:58 PM

I know this may sound a little off but I was just remembered why the Wingmakers were so familiar:

Music:
http://www.battle.net/window.shtml

Images:

LucidJia · 02-25-2009, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dayzero

You'll find some free downloads of the music here;

http://www.wingmakers.com/wingmusic/music.html

Along with [IMO] a very good mp3 interview, 3 hours long, highly instructive.
And free also. Scroll down a little.....

http://www.wingmakers.com/whats-new.html

1 free song and a few excerpts. Its like any other website they give you a tiny taste of it and hope you fork out the cash for the rest.

This is not how I percieve a very enlightened and nobel person in touch with the loving one infinite creator to act.

I know a few very good musicians that give all there music away just because they love to share. Why cant it be the same here?

Namaste, Jia.

dayzero · 03-05-2009, 10:03 AM

Oh well, Lucidija, it's not an issue that bothers me....and I'm one of those musicians you speak of...lol....
I'm happy to buy stuff I really like, and often do.

Here's those links to his interview with the webmaster.

http://www.wingmakers.com/downloads/..._Session_1.mp3
http://www.wingmakers.com/downloads/..._Session_2.mp3
http://www.wingmakers.com/downloads/..._Session_3.mp3

LucidJia · 03-08-2009, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dayzero

Oh well, Lucidija, it's not an issue that bothers me....and I'm one of those musicians you speak of...lol....
I'm happy to buy stuff I really like, and often do.

Here's those links to his interview with the webmaster.

http://www.wingmakers.com/downloads/..._Session_1.mp3
http://www.wingmakers.com/downloads/..._Session_2.mp3
http://www.wingmakers.com/downloads/..._Session_3.mp3

Hey thats cool that you share your music!

I have listened to the interviews and there is allot of great info and wisdom and I agree with allot of it. So I guess the music part isn't a big deal as he does give allot of great resources and has obviously put allot of time and effort into getting it to the public. Maybe I jumped to conclusions to soon .I think it just stunned me a bit after listening to his amazing story and reading allot of his info and then tried to download some of his music that he said help activate or enhance your soul and seeing a price. I guess the sceptical part of me jumped into action.

Anyway there is allot to be learned from this material.

Namaste, Jia.

12-23-2008, 12:15 AM	#101
Nebula Guest Posts: n/a	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot Interesting terminology for information we've read or heard before. Why make it complicated, with fancy terminology almost coming off like they are new concepts. The perspective on the Anu and the Anunnaki is rather disagreeable and not in a favorable tone. How they dare question the will and actions of the Creator? Do you really think The Most High Supreme Being Anu, deceived, manipulated souls just to imprison them?

12-23-2008, 03:59 AM	#103
asteram Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Isla de Margarita, Venezuela Posts: 161	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot ahh, we've heard all this before, no? The sunrise is the sunrise, don't tell me it's anything more. The earth is a turtle-shell bowl held on the back of elephants, and the sun goes underneath in the night time. It's all karma, as I read yesterday on another forum. All karma. What if? Yes I'm talking to you, holy fool. What if? Does this push your buttons? Good, say I. It is meant to do that. It is meant to make you question everything. What care I if the book of Jesus says this and the book of Buddha says that and this other book tells me something different? What is my goal? Give up on this lame ** of quoting others, arguing from their positions. What is your position? Do you get it or don't you? Is it yours or is it something you have accepted? I think it's difficult to deny that the rejection of the hierarchy is heresy. How dare one do that? Dare you question all that you have accepted? Dare you question everything you have ever read, heard, experienced? Do you think this writer is buying into the cosmology and dogma of the WingMakers? Do you think he is unable to discern? I (read I) hold no dogma. Rather I am ready to learn and to experience. Prove it, don't give me ****. I know ******. Let's give a for instance. Let's say what James talks about in the interview has some validity. That all this spiritual hierarchy being discussed is actually a construct of a rather egotistic chip off the old block who saw the opportunity to cut a fat hog. This Anu. Is he special? Don't we all wish to construct reality and make it our own? What is creating your own reality other than that? Do you think the Creator needs to be worshiped? It's his creation, is it not? How much worship do you need from your own creation? In the case we are talking about, where the Creator has split itself into myriad parts and given them each freewill: You yourself are a chip off the old block. Do you need worship from that you have created? Or do you perhaps have a grander goal in mind? Here's what is going on from my point of view: the Creator has extended itself into the most dense form, and some entities have been seduced or intrigued into incarnating in dense form, in bodies such as our own. They may have been seduced into that by the inducements of the entity Anu; they didn't lack free will. They still don't. Nonetheless it has been a fascinating journey, has it not? Perhaps the Creator allowed it to happen in this way for a purpose? What James may be saying is that part of the plan has been realized through the manifestation of actual soul/spirit/entities into these human forms, and these forms are personally sending back the experience to the Creator. The Creator has not yet, at least on this planet, fully manifested itself into its creation, but the potential to do so has been placed within the human instruments to access Source, to enable some unknown "source codes" to be activated, and for the full manifestation of the Creator's potential to be realized here. All feeds back to the Creator, but at the same time all feeds forward from the Creator. I'll leave it there for now.

12-23-2008, 04:13 AM	#104
Nebula Guest Posts: n/a	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot Endjoy, I know terms like: The ALL Ether Soul Densities / Planes/realms (material, force, spiritual, mental, divine truth, divine reality, eternal bliss) Mental Reservior Conciousness Spirit Ego Illusion Giving something a new word doesn't change what that thing is! I agree, you can get different perspectives of the soul from different ppl and all. But using fancy words for something we already know doesn't resonate for me. But if it resonates to you then all is agreeable as well. We have long ways to go and there is much much more information to be learned on our journey back home. Back to the source of all. I have simply learned to call it "The ALL" which means everything in existence. Anu the Most High is a creator as endowed by the ALL who created us and we are all within the ALL. I never said he was the source of all. See we forgot our true nature. So I endevour to become a Supreme being once again, so i have to follow the example of those who came before us, on this journey back to the ALL. Does that sound complicated to you? Last edited by Nebula; 12-23-2008 at 04:21 AM.

01-07-2009, 08:35 PM	#105
dayzero Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southern England Posts: 458	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot H aha! Totally reversed my 'opinion' I get it now, having listened to the Audio interviews with James. Last edited by dayzero; 01-12-2009 at 08:01 AM.

02-15-2009, 02:38 AM	#106
LucidJia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 135	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot Is there any way to listen to the full tracks of this music without paying for it? If not I am very skeptical. Why would he charge for this if it is an amazing gift given from an ancient race? Only the people with an extra $14.99 can evolve there DNA? Jia.

02-15-2009, 10:16 AM	#108
dayzero Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southern England Posts: 458	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot You'll find some free downloads of the music here; http://www.wingmakers.com/wingmusic/music.html Along with [IMO] a very good mp3 interview, 3 hours long, highly instructive. And free also. Scroll down a little..... http://www.wingmakers.com/whats-new.html

02-15-2009, 10:18 AM	#109
dayzero Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southern England Posts: 458	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot "Do you really think The Most High Supreme Being Anu, deceived, manipulated souls just to imprison them? " Ha ha! On your knees Human!

02-15-2009, 04:22 PM	#110
clarkkent Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 319	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot i have to say, all these various sources are confusing. the james interview has good things in it, but so does micheal st clair and the "bloodline insider" --theres good material i agree with, but at the same time i really agree with "milk and honey" that the whole human goldminers doesnt really make sense. the idea that an ultra powerful "godlike" being couldnt find an easier way to get some "bling" other than creating "HMS" sounds like baloney to me, i remember steven greer shooting down this hypothesis saying were on the verge of being able to create elements from other elements with our technology NOW, the idea of a technologically and spiritually advanced annunaki not being able to do that is loony. i also find the common thread with the 3 above mentioned people is they all believe earth is and the human body is a "prison", the illuminati operate under that idea too. at st clairs website i find it funny he comments about being so above the common man and being the "master" of light or crystals or whatever, not a very humble dude. the "bloodline insider" refers to all of us as "peasants' who wont escape this prison because we dont view it as such in the first place. after all this reading from all these sources and david wilcock, and all the camelot witnesses..honestly all anyone can do is be a good person and treat yourself and others with respect if we all did that we'd be fine. everything else is just fun speculation as to the true nature of the universe. what good is knowing about quantum mechanics, alien visitation, the origin of humanity, meditation, the illuminati, and every other conspiracy on the planet if your an egotistical jerk. id say being a good person outweighs figuring out how to master your breathing or becoming one with everything (especially since everyone already is ONE, you cant not be one with all) ill give wilcock and dr greer this, they at least seem like nice guys with a good sense of humor certain witnesses give me the creeps. anyhow, itll be an exciting next few years, ill be sure to not make the mistake of thinking im above the 'common people" for maybe being a little more informed.

02-24-2009, 11:58 PM	#112
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot I know this may sound a little off but I was just remembered why the Wingmakers were so familiar: Music: http://www.battle.net/window.shtml Images: Last edited by Czymra; 02-25-2009 at 12:01 AM.

03-05-2009, 10:03 AM	#114
dayzero Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southern England Posts: 458	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot Oh well, Lucidija, it's not an issue that bothers me....and I'm one of those musicians you speak of...lol.... I'm happy to buy stuff I really like, and often do. Here's those links to his interview with the webmaster. http://www.wingmakers.com/downloads/..._Session_1.mp3 http://www.wingmakers.com/downloads/..._Session_2.mp3 http://www.wingmakers.com/downloads/..._Session_3.mp3