Camelot responds to St Clair's blurb

[orthodoxymoron]

The following comment is generic...and doesn't necessarily apply to this thread: I wonder how many organizations have been infiltrated and subverted by people who know exactly how to stir up controversy...and get people fighting with each other? I suspect that it happens all the time. That, and blackmailing, intimidation, exposing embarrassing personal histories, etc, etc. This sort of exchange is probably a good thing...once in a while...as long as it doesn't get out of control. It helps us to learn how to think and respond under pressure. This may be a very valuable skill in the coming years.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

The following comment is generic...and doesn't necessarily apply to this thread: I wonder how many organizations have been infiltrated and subverted by people who know exactly how to stir up controversy...and get people fighting with each other? I suspect that it happens all the time. That, and blackmailing, intimidation, exposing embarrassing personal histories, etc, etc. This sort of exchange is probably a good thing...once in a while...as long as it doesn't get out of control. It helps us to learn how to think and respond under pressure. This may be a very valuable skill in the coming years.

Absolutely... Orthodoxy...
and Feeler: "Clif exposed Bill Deagle and Dan Bursch as disinfo agents. Woudn't that "offend" Kerry and Bill to the nth degree?"

***'

This is what I don't understand. Cliff High spoke supposed facts, yes, according to his software, but those remarks he made about Dan & B Deagle were his personal take.... that's the way I heard it... so I can't understand either why B&K are not miffed w/Cliff...

And 777, your depiction above... I "get" that one!

Like I said... mind control is SO deniable... it's so perfected that hardly anyone can muster up to owning that their thoughts are not always their own.]

That said, what do you all think? Mighe we let this thread END?

I can honestly say that I was "recruited" to St Clair's zone... as though it was some sort of honor to have been invited.... just to go in there I apparently also signed up, it wasn't my intention, it just was required (I guess)...before I knew it, I had a freakin' page...

AND just as is the case of this site... you CANNOT delete your own stuff..
you have to write to get Permission.. so I wrote St Clair asking to delete me, but he wrote back w/words that I ought just to hang out, to just pipe in however infrequent it might be...

WHAT IS THAT???

I've been too busy to get back to his site, but my profile is there as a member, tho I don't partake... I'm too busy growing my garden to check in... I'm just too tired of this chit!

[777 The Great Work]

Mind control is right

Cliff HigH ,is a ,Heathe Cliff ,as in Heathe Ledger the purple fool of Gotham City

We are being taken through ritual on this forum and others.
There is a King Barry at Jeff rense.

Ches - shire Cat

This forum is being taking through Ritual. That mess on the watcher thread with Barry King. Then the sun ,came on the Horizon on the 7th day, or 4\7=11 providing the light in the darkness. Then the thread was put on lock down. Thats Ritual

[Dantheman62]

LOL, is that Hanson?, LOL

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

LOL, is that Hanson?, LOL

And why...YES IT IS...lol...you know the lead Hanson is singing with the drummer of Cheap trick and the guitar player from Smashing pumpkins...lol...SURREEEAAALLLL!!!!

[Malletzky]

If we bear in mind that St. Clair was born in Zurich and is therefore probably german-speaking, the meaning of the world "handler" used in this case should be considered as deduction from the german meaning of the word "händler" / "handhaber", which also means "manipulation".

So who would like to be titled as a manipulator or more worst, being manipulated by someone?

malletzky

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Kerry and Bill (home page)

A NOTE ABOUT WHISTLEBLOWERS AND RESEARCHERS that you find on these pages:
We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here. What Camelot is about is the investigation into the mysteries that surround us. We are all, in a sense, investigators of our world. And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. --31 December 2008

Originally Posted by Bill (home page)

All we will say is that the remarks he has made about us are defamatory and untrue, and we are extremely disappointed. He does not understand our mission, and has ceased to support it.

In light of the recent development, may I suggest the following addendum (IN BOLD):

And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth AS LONG AS IT IS NOT CRITICISM (OR ACCUSATION) DIRECTED TOWARDS US THAT WE DISAGREE WITH. ALL INTERVIEWEES ARE EXPECTED TO UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT OUR MISSION.

-feeler

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by feeler

In light of the recent development, may I suggest the following addendum (IN BOLD):

And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth AS LONG AS IT IS NOT CRITICISM DIRECTED TOWARDS US THAT WE DISAGREE WITH. ALL INTERVIEWEES ARE EXPECTED TO UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT OUR MISSION.

-feeler

My thoughts exactly.

[777 The Great Work]

I feel its all an act

T parties

Talks Of Revolution

Alex Jones got Beef with Rense

Now B&K got beef with SinClair

Now there is Beef in this thread

This is by design, and none of them are to be trusted. Trust your hearts

[777 The Great Work]

B&K Angry whopper lies-I knew it was a matter of time.
Kassidy

Ryan = O rion

Barry king [I]Another Beef on his thread,I know you are watching. All Staged
Avalon
Camel20


Revolutions No Revelations

Sub-S-CRYP-TI-ON

This is a Berry King, its a purpleish Black Berry. Egg ON

The sun Yolk,Ego

King arthur gathered his heraldic pride, counted thirteen and cried 'Ey (7up) up lads, theres a fake one in here! He must have been sent for our thirteen pieces of Gold!

[NewParadigmGuy]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

I was shocked when Burger King came out with this product. Why in the world would anyone want to eat a burger that is angry?

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

I feel its all an act

T parties

Talks Of Revolution

Alex Jones got Beef with Rense

Now B&K got beef with SinClair

Now there is Beef in this thread

This is by design, and none of them are to be trusted. Trust your hearts

I could not agree more I've been inclined to see the same thing
this does seem to be by DESIGN

[McMaster]

Hello all!

I do not partisipate on discussing too much, but I read even more, and I apologise if I offend anyone, but I can not understand why so many people react the way they have on this thread (one way or the other). People really should just worry about their own business and stop making this artificial drama out of nothing. Don't we have enough going on there in the real world, so we don't have to make our own on top of that?

As someone said, this is like a high school lunch brake. Get a grip people!

[feeler]

Originally Posted by McMaster

Hello all!

I do not partisipate on discussing too much, but I read even more, and I apologise if I offend anyone, but I can not understand why so many people react the way they have on this thread (one way or the other). People really should just worry about their own business and stop making this artificial drama out of nothing. Don't we have enough going on there in the real world, so we don't have to make our own on top of that?

As someone said, this is like a high school lunch brake. Get a grip people!

McMaster, you might not have the time or interest to participate on discussion too much. My understanding is that you "read even more". Censorship will impact #1) what you read at Avalon and #2) the larger picture you form from available pieces of the puzzle.

If censorship at Avalon is irrelevant to you, then why read here at all? Wouldn't TV (MSM) be just as good?

Therefore, previously to Kerry and Bill, I suggested the following revision (IN BOLD) in order to fully disclosure Kerry's and Bill's agenda (in the name of integrity, which Bill claims):

And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth AS LONG AS IT IS NOT CRITICISM (OR ACCUSATION) DIRECTED TOWARDS US THAT WE DISAGREE WITH. ALL INTERVIEWEES ARE EXPECTED TO UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT OUR MISSION.

-feeler

_____________________________________________Censorship Restricts the Dream

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by McMaster

Hello all!

I do not partisipate on discussing too much, but I read even more, and I apologise if I offend anyone, but I can not understand why so many people react the way they have on this thread (one way or the other). People really should just worry about their own business and stop making this artificial drama out of nothing. Don't we have enough going on there in the real world, so we don't have to make our own on top of that?

As someone said, this is like a high school lunch brake. Get a grip people!

Not to worry when someone takes your neighbor in the middle of the night or your cousin comes up as a missing person....I'm not offended but the side line sitting days are over my friend. I have an obligation as part of humanity to stop them when they knock on your door in the middle of the night. That's my pledge to you.

On the Bill and Kerry hubbub....When you stand for " GETTING THE SUPPRESSED INFO OUT".....and then you suppress folks that don't agree with you = hypocrisy

[addalight]

I'm a member of both forums. I'm not sure what's happening with

StClair right now. I do know it's a very peaceful and loving group of members

over there. I will miss them if get kicked off after this post. I feel that Bill and

Kerry are fierce defenders of free speech and very much against any kind

censorship. We probably do not know the whole story, since some of the

comments have been made privately. There has been disagreement among

the whistle blowers in the past and there will be in the future. What Clif High

said was not offensive. St Clair seems to have drug him into this mess.

What St Clair said was a PERSONAL attack, not a criticism or

disagreement. B&K have not asked us to take sides. In any relationship gone

sour, I thank spirit for the experience bless them and move on. I'm

thinking B&K may have done the same. Save your energy.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Stargazer1965

On the Bill and Kerry hubbub....When you stand for " GETTING THE SUPPRESSED INFO OUT".....and then you suppress folks that don't agree with you = hypocrisy

That's a mischaracterization. B&K's action of removing Michaels materials, although ill advised, was not about suppressing someone that doesn't agree with them. Michael attempted to undermine their whole mission by calling Bill's and then Kerry's integrity into question. All of Michaels materials are still available on his own sites.

Michael devotes a good deal of time to self promotion. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't continue to aid in that promotion if he was attacking me.

perhaps it could be seen as hypocritical to continue to support someone who is actively undermining you and your mission.

Just a different viewpoint/counterpoint.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Michael attempted to undermine their whole mission by calling Bill's and then Kerry's integrity into question.

By the same token, Bill and Kerry attempted to undermine the PTB's whole mission e.g. War on Terror by calling the PTB's integrity into question. What is the PTB entitled to? The removal of all reference to B&K in the PTB's MSM?

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

perhaps it could be seen as hypocritical to continue to support someone who is actively undermining you and your mission.

Interviewing St. Clair and presenting St. Clair's interviews is not supporting St. Clair. Among the interviewees, there are disinfo agents. That doesn't mean Kerry and Bill support them.

Kerry and Bill made it clear interviewing a guest is not the same thing as supporting (endorsing) the guest :

And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. --31 December 2008

-feeler

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

That's a mischaracterization. B&K's action of removing Michaels materials, although ill advised, was not about suppressing someone that doesn't agree with them. Michael attempted to undermine their whole mission by calling Bill's and then Kerry's integrity into question. All of Michaels materials are still available on his own sites.

Michael devotes a good deal of time to self promotion. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't continue to aid in that promotion if he was attacking me.

perhaps it could be seen as hypocritical to continue to support someone who is actively undermining you and your mission.

Just a different viewpoint/counterpoint.

Bill and Kerry's credibility were not questioned UNTIL they censored St Clair...I have no idea who St Clair is or what he's about...but he has the right to be heard.

[Myplanet2]

I'd debate the points raised, but that would be a bit like clapping with one hand.

How about get some facts, then form an opinion.

Or not.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

I'd debate the points raised, but that would be a bit like clapping with one hand.

How about get some facts, then form an opinion.

Or not.

Myplanet2, you act as if facts have not been brought forth in this thread with 136 posts.

-feeler

[David]

Originally Posted by feeler

Myplanet2, you act as if facts have not been brought forth in this thread with 136 posts.

-feeler

Sorry but you missed the point. *claps with one hand*

[Myplanet2]

That's not really what I was saying. My comment was in regards to opinions raised which then present themselves unsupported, or go off in search of supporting "facts". There are "facts" available, I'm sure, but comments like ("Bill and Kerry's credibility were not questioned UNTIL they censored St Clair...I have no idea who St Clair is or what he's about...but he has the right to be heard") don't demonstrate evidence of having gone off to search for any facts. They indicate an opinion exists all on it's own.

Hardly inspiring of discussion.

What's a fact? What's an opinion? What's the difference?