What Will It Take to Defeat the "New World Order"?

[BROOK]

Cripple their machine...they need us to feed on...without us they are nothing.....NOTHING...
We actually have the power over them....we just don't use it...they use us.
Eventually we will be the change...and they will have no more power..when that day comes...we will be free

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by BROOK

...We actually have the power over them....we just don't use it...

As in refusing to cooperate? Be "passive aggressive"?

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by seashore

As in refusing to cooperate? Be "passive aggressive"?

As in not allowing them to use us anymore...tell me..would they be able to have wars..if we did not fight them? If we decided to grow food and give it to the hungry..can they stop us?
Standing up and declaring our freedom to choose not to be part of their ugly machine...for without us...they have nothing.

Of course..everyone would have to BE THE CHANGE....be the peace we desire...show our love of mankind together...a global effort...one worth striving for...
I am actually in the process of doing just that... I am contacting evey peace organization I can find and try to start global organization of Architects of Peace....It's a lofty and huge job..I could use some help if any one is interested..but I can try to go it alone also...because..I want to be the change I desire....I cannot stand seeing the suffering of humanity any longer....we are a beautiful humanity...lets get back to the creating of Love and Peace...love of mankind we were brought here to create

[Zeddo]

you could start by reading this and then getting mad and then getting off your buts and then doing something and the..............................
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ht=declaration
that thread has a full copy of the declaration of independance.......quite a unique document don't you think (no pun intended).

[246]

I think I must have scared the NWO. Today, I went hiking in the forest with my dog as usual. Then off in the woods there was a loudmouth on a bullhorn and a group of idiots firing volleys into the trees. They were trying to scare me and it didnt work.

As for Global minimum wage and Global environmental protection. Thosa are major things and not scraps off the table. That would do more to alleviate world poverty and help save the planet than anything. Once you force the NWO order to listen to you with these two issues. Then you can begin co-opting their nefarious agenda on other things. Towards true World peace and Global Human rights.

[orthodoxymoron]

It must have been an Alex Jones wannabe! I walk my dog through the forrest every day. It sure beats fighting on the internet! I didn't mean to belittle your proposal regarding a global minimum wage and global environmental standards. You are right. This would be an important step in the right direction. What do you think about the relationship between free enterprise...a minimum wage...and environmental standards? I like the idea of speaking politely yet honestly to the PTB. This is much better than shouting insults at them.

[feeler]

I can't speak for others. Within my own ability, I have been sharing my understanding of the NWO agenda with coworkers, family and friends. The PTB agenda and methodology needs to be exposed, discussed, and understood. Just doing my share at the grass root level--

-feeler

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by feeler

Within my own ability, I have been sharing my understanding of the NWO agenda with coworkers, family and friends.

I find it almost impossible to do that. But I won't give up...

[246]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

It must have been an Alex Jones wannabe! I walk my dog through the forrest every day. It sure beats fighting on the internet! I didn't mean to belittle your proposal regarding a global minimum wage and global environmental standards. You are right. This would be an important step in the right direction. What do you think about the relationship between free enterprise...a minimum wage...and environmental standards? I like the idea of speaking politely yet honestly to the PTB. This is much better than shouting insults at them.

Ya of course free enterprise is good too, but we have minimum wage and environmental standards in the West and it works (or should legally) just fine. Why shouldnt the third world have that too? Right now the corporations are saying to the West: "Well your wages are too high and you wont allow us to pollute, so we'll go somewhere where we can do that". Then the West's politicians say to their people "We have to lower our standards if we're going to remain competitive". Their catch word for that is "Globalization". So, then standards are continually lowered everywhere. If the corporations cant go anywhere else for lower wages and no pollution controls, then standards wont be lowered, they will be increased. And the rest of the world will finally be exisiting on more than "less than a dollar per day per person". There will still be lots of room for free enterprise and making money.

[Zeddo]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

It must have been an Alex Jones wannabe! I walk my dog through the forrest every day. It sure beats fighting on the internet! I didn't mean to belittle your proposal regarding a global minimum wage and global environmental standards. You are right. This would be an important step in the right direction. What do you think about the relationship between free enterprise...a minimum wage...and environmental standards? I like the idea of speaking politely yet honestly to the PTB. This is much better than shouting insults at them.

you know what, at least he gets off his **** and does something, now what do you do? What do I do? What does anybody do other than to tear to pieces them that actually do something? Who cares about Alex Jones' affiliations, but let me tell you, he gets out and is heard, more than 99.9999% of us so-called enlightened beings do.

Seashore, good job and bravo, keep spreading it around at work. I do the same and am not smiled upon at work but you know what, if they fire me I just create another job to go to. I allow Spirit to take me where I need to be and that is enough for me.

The person who thinks he is free is indeed a slave

The person who thinks he is enlightened is indeed in deepest darkness

Zedd Out

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Zeddo

Seashore, good job and bravo, keep spreading it around at work.

Thanks but I guess you misunderstood me...

I find it very difficult to talk to people about issues. It seems that people think it is not appropriate to talk about such things.

But I keep trying to learn how.

I am so thankful for Avalon because I feel that these posts we write are making a contribution...

[orthodoxymoron]

I wasn't criticizing Alex Jones. I listen to his show probably once a week. His style is not my style...and he has much more brains, energy, drive, and courage than I do.
I know I'm lazy and stupid...but I'm doing the best I can.

Would a global minimum wage be socialistic in nature? Shouldn't pay be negotiated between the worker and employer? Should there be a global maximum wage? Should there be a cap on wealth(no millionaires, billionaires, or trillionaires)? In a way...I like the idea...but does this conflict with freedom? At what point do we enter into socialism and communism? Environmental and safety standards are another story. This would seem to be fair game for global regulators. On the other hand...at what point does the state over-step reasonable limits...and become an obstructive and overbearing pain in the ***? Perhaps full disclosure labels on all products...describing pay, working conditions, safety records, environmental impact, carbon footprint, etc, etc...might be a better approach. This would allow countries and companies to conduct business in an atmosphere of freedom...while freedom of inquiry would identify those companies and countries which violate basic human rights and decency. The retailers and consumers could then decide who and who not to do business with. Just a thought. I really don't know.

[246]

Some socialism is OK. What is the fire department?, police? education system? All forms of socialism. In the US and most of the West there already is minimum wage, environmental protection. And everyone still has freedom to make money- lots of it. The problem is that the corporations have moved industry offshore-away from the US and the West to cheaper labour (almost slave labour) and no pollution controls. Then they turn around to the west and say they will only come back when the West lowers it's standards. Every country is competing for corporate jobs and industry by continually lowering their standards all over the world. A global agreement for global minimum wage and environmental protection would end the corporate tyranny. Remember some socialism works, some capiatlism, some democracy. it's the extreme of any of those that never works. extreme socialism=communism, extreme capitalism=slavery, extreme democracy=popularity contests.

[246]

Orthodoxymoron - I like the idea of having socially responsible labels including wages paid, environmental impact etc..it could really change things, as long as the companies are not lieing about their conduct on the labels.

[orthodoxymoron]

Would a little bit of fascism be ok? Or...is it just the extreme fascism we need to avoid? Can someone be a little bit pregnant? Can there be too much freedom? How much is too much? Can there be too much responsible freedom? I maintain that the combination of freedom and responsibility is an absolute standard. The words balance each other...and maintain homeostasis...sort of like a buffer for ph balance. There cannot be too much responsible freedom.

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by seashore

Thanks but I guess you misunderstood me...

I find it very difficult to talk to people about issues. It seems that people think it is not appropriate to talk about such things.

But I keep trying to learn how.

I am so thankful for Avalon because I feel that these posts we write are making a contribution...

start with something that will be easy to understand ans see if they just look around. codex Alimentarius or chemtrails. Show them youtube videos.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by burgundia

start with something that will be easy to understand ans see if they just look around. codex Alimentarius or chemtrails. Show them youtube videos.

Good suggestions. Thanks!

[orthodoxymoron]

'The Money Masters' is a good place to begin. It's a documentary about international banking. No shouting. No fear-mongering. Just the facts: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...19560256183936

For something with more of an edge...and with a bit of an attitude...'Endgame' is a good overview of what is being said about the New World Order: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...39989634&hl=en

The secret is to get informed without getting mad. People tend to gravitate toward being ignorant and apathetic...or toward being partially informed and very angry(especially when they get burned by the system).

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

'The Money Masters' is a good place to begin. It's a historical documentary about international banking. No shouting. No fear-mongering. Just a lot of quotes by people we all know...

I have this DVD. One thing about it is the guy keeps pointing a pen at the viewer when he's making his points. I found it to be distracting! But it's good info...

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

The secret is to get informed without getting mad. People tend to gravitate toward being ignorant and apathetic...or toward being partially informed and very angry(especially when they get burned by the system).

Great points. But get mad enough to take action in a smart, responsible way...

[orthodoxymoron]

Perhaps 'The Money Masters' needs to be remade...and updated. If you come across a better presentation of this information...let us know.
The love of money...and the mandrake...are the roots of all evil. This is an infowar. Let the new information settle into your system...and then communicate it. The hard part is to not be disruptive...and end up arguing, fighting, getting fired, getting divorced, getting excommunicated, etc. A lot of people may not be ready for a lot of new and upsetting information. If someone else brings up these subjects...we can be ready to enter into a conversation with them. Asking and answering questions is much better than preaching an angry sermon.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by seashore

Great points. But get mad enough to take action in a smart, responsible way...

The recent H1N1 outbreak was a good opportunity for me to raise healthy skepticism among my coworkers.

Words are going around on the Fed being a privately owned bank.

All in all, progress.

-feeler

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by feeler

Words are going around on the Fed being a privately owned bank.

All in all, progress.

-feeler

Yeah! This is encouraging...

[246]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Would a little bit of fascism be ok? Or...is it just the extreme fascism we need to avoid? Can someone be a little bit pregnant? Can there be too much freedom? How much is too much? Can there be too much responsible freedom? I maintain that the combination of freedom and responsibility is an absolute standard. The words balance each other...and maintain homeostasis...sort of like a buffer for ph balance. There cannot be too much responsible freedom.

Of course fascism isnt ok. Socialism isnt fascism. People tend to jump on the "antisocialist" bandwagon. But a few laws to keep minimum standards isnt fascism. Like in Canada, France and the UK with government funded healthcare. It's a form of socialism and it works. It's far cheaper for everyone per capita and the waiting list or quality is no worse than the USA. It's better. And free. That's why I say a little socialism is good. Obviously up to a point. And some capitalism is good to encourage ingenuity, and create jobs so people can live nicely. And give people hope because if they work hard they can make a better life for themselves. Responsible freedom is great, the problem is there are a lot of nefarious people who are completely irresponsbile. They are the ones causing the whole mess of corporate fascism. A few laws to keep them on an anti-fascist leash would help things. If you have no laws and just preach "responsible freedom" will everyone just go along with that? I have faith in humanity but not that much faith. The current world is living proof of how a lot of people are out to get everyone else for the almighty dollar. There are also a lot of really good people too, but not everyone is of that mindset. I love the US constitution and bill of rights. It protects people. I love that there is a minimum wage in the USA and other places. It protects people from even worse conditions. I love there are laws in the US and other places protecting the environment. I just wish they were global.

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Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Would a little bit of fascism be ok? Or...is it just the extreme fascism we need to avoid? Can someone be a little bit pregnant? Can there be too much freedom? How much is too much? Can there be too much responsible freedom? I maintain that the combination of freedom and responsibility is an absolute standard. The words balance each other...and maintain homeostasis...sort of like a buffer for ph balance. There cannot be too much responsible freedom.

And what does "responsible freedom" mean? You're allowed to have freedom, but not if you rock the boat? You're allowed to have freedom of expression but not if it challenges accepted norms? You're allowed to have freedom of thought or speech but not if it goes against the government or other "official" institutions? What would happen to the world if no one pushed envelopes, took risks, asked new questions? It almost sounds like a form of fascism itself.

[Dominic]

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