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Old 09-20-2008, 06:28 PM   #1
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Question Nasa - why is shuttle placed on 'rescue' launch pad??

Hi all.... anybody got information on why NASA would be placing a shuttle on the Rescue Pad. This was an article in NYT this morning and I have never heard a report of such a thing before. Seems a little strange in light of our preparedness for something "BIG" happening in the next month or so or more particularly the big event in October.

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Old 09-20-2008, 06:48 PM   #2
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From what I read from NASA it's because the Hubble is in a much higher orbit that the ISS. So if anything happens during launch like another hunk of foam making a hole. the Shuttle would be unable to reach the ISS , ( i'm not sure of the reasoning) So they have the next Shuttle ready to go do the rescue.
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Old 09-21-2008, 01:16 PM   #3
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it is because of the different orbital trajectories of the ISS and Hubble, NASA does not want another disaster simple as that
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Old 09-21-2008, 01:41 PM   #4
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it is because of the different orbital trajectories of the ISS and Hubble, NASA does not want another disaster simple as that
Are you 100% sure of that?
Or is this just your opinion?

Do not worry...I am not attacking you.
I just want everyone to be clear to how you came up with this.
Do you have first hand knowledge or is this just your opinion....

I personally do not know either way.
BUT, the government has lied to us before. That I do know.
In fact I am willing to bet most people in the States do not realize that NASA is run by the DoD and is NOT a Civilian Agency!
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Old 09-21-2008, 02:07 PM   #5
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Anything is possible, I do know that this is not the first time that NASA has had 2 shuttles on the launch pads at the same time.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sh.../bothpads.html
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Old 09-21-2008, 03:13 PM   #6
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Default Re: Nasa - why is shuttle placed on 'rescue' launch pad??

I have been waiting for someone to start this thread.

I find NASA'a official story on this to be hog wash.

The way I read their report, they are worried about a large piece of space junk in the vacinity of the hubble telescope. If there are problems with the first shuttle, the second will be launched to assist the first shuttle.

So I ask myself, Is the hubble telescope realy worth risking 2 shuttles and the crew aboard them?

Personaly I'm betting these shuttles have crucial millitary payloads that must be put into orbit before a certain date.
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Old 09-21-2008, 03:20 PM   #7
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I wouldn't doubt it. you also have Cape Canaveral Airforce base right next to the Space Center that launches rockets, some comercial launches some government.
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Old 09-21-2008, 03:37 PM   #8
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Hi,

There is a similar thread ... I posted there ...

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...72&postcount=3

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Old 09-21-2008, 03:51 PM   #9
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Hi,

There is a similar thread ... I posted there ...

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...72&postcount=3

Cheers
your right! only time will tell, I know that the shuttle get rolled out to the launch pad I think 3 - 4 weeks before launch. what ever payload is going up is loaded at the launch pad. I guess there is a lot of system checks that have to be done.. we shall see i think the launch date is Oct.15th unless it was delayed due to Ike hitting Houston. they did mention a possible delay
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Old 09-21-2008, 03:54 PM   #10
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http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/2...n_08pd2730.jpg

here's a link to a pic. of both shuttles on the launch pads
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Old 09-21-2008, 04:04 PM   #11
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I have been waiting for someone to start this thread.

I find NASA'a official story on this to be hog wash.

The way I read their report, they are worried about a large piece of space junk in the vacinity of the hubble telescope. If there are problems with the first shuttle, the second will be launched to assist the first shuttle.

So I ask myself, Is the hubble telescope realy worth risking 2 shuttles and the crew aboard them?

Personaly I'm betting these shuttles have crucial millitary payloads that must be put into orbit before a certain date.
I personally think the Hubble is more than just a Telescope,and I'm guessing it's part of some exotic weapons system...don't ask me why? It's just this thing I have with anything NASA does or says.

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Old 09-21-2008, 04:09 PM   #12
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I personally think the Hubble is more than just a Telescope,and I'm guessing it's part of some exotic weapons system...don't ask me why? It's just this thing I have with anything NASA does or says.

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with all the top secret military launches since Hubble has been up there I wouldn't doubt it.
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I personally think the Hubble is more than just a Telescope,and I'm guessing it's part of some exotic weapons system...don't ask me why? It's just this thing I have with anything NASA does or says.
You should read "dark mission" by Richard C. Hoagland ...

If I remember well he suspects that the telescope was used for communication too.

When one of the Mars orbiters allegedly failed or disappeared, he suggested that the orbiter WAS still functioning and that instead of using radio they
used a laser to communicate. Hubble was the receiving device ... a few weeks later a shuttle was scheduled for repair and removed some parts ...

That's a summary of what I recall. Read the book it's very interesting stuff.
Richard C. Hoagland is a very intelligent guy. Now this is someone who puts his braincells to work and is wide awake ....

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Old 09-21-2008, 04:17 PM   #14
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You should read "dark mission" by Richard C. Hoagland ...

If I remember well he suspects that the telescope was used for communication too.

When one of the Mars orbiters allegedly failed or disappeared, he suggested that the orbiter WAS still functioning and that instead of using radio they
used a laser to communicate. Hubble was the receiving device ... a few weeks later a shuttle was scheduled for repair and removed some parts ...

That's a summary of what I recall. Read the book it's very interesting stuff.
Richard C. Hoagland is a very intelligent guy. Now this is someone who puts his braincells to work and is wide awake ....

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yes, it is a good book.. i'm in the middle of it right now.
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Old 09-21-2008, 04:40 PM   #15
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yes, it is a good book.. i'm in the middle of it right now.
I have been 'in the middle' of that book for a while now...hehe!
It is quite interesting but, it can become very dry at times...
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Old 09-21-2008, 04:42 PM   #16
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I have been 'in the middle' of that book for a while now...hehe!
It is quite interesting but, it can become very dry at times...
I know what you mean. lol
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I have been 'in the middle' of that book for a while now...hehe!
It is quite interesting but, it can become very dry at times...
Yes, I know. I have skipped parts myself or chapters of less interest to me. I can understand it though that you cannot
proof systematic lies if you only come up with only one case ...

Besides, the point is that because it's systematic the message underneath is revealed ...

It's like the serial killer phenomenon: although they may be aware that they are leaving tracks/evidence behind, they consider
themselves as superior to the system and hence think they will not be caught.
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You should read "dark mission" by Richard C. Hoagland ...

If I remember well he suspects that the telescope was used for communication too.

When one of the Mars orbiters allegedly failed or disappeared, he suggested that the orbiter WAS still functioning and that instead of using radio they
used a laser to communicate. Hubble was the receiving device ... a few weeks later a shuttle was scheduled for repair and removed some parts ...

That's a summary of what I recall. Read the book it's very interesting stuff.
Richard C. Hoagland is a very intelligent guy. Now this is someone who puts his braincells to work and is wide awake ....

Cheers
I'm about 3 or 4 chapters in at the moment

I've got about 4 books on the go, but will get round to finishing Dark Mission eventually I can highly recomend JP Farrell's The Cosmic War...that is extremely interesting, and agrees and dovetails with some of Hoagland's theories regarding the Moon and Mars.


Thanks for the Heads up

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Old 10-06-2008, 01:07 PM   #19
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I saw the same item in the paper, which is strange because I don't read it much anymore, but this caught my eye and it seemed strange to me also. There's always been danger for the shuttle crews. Why, all of a sudden, is this now a good idea to have a rescue ship? Why wasn't it a good idea before? Got the feeling (duh) they're not telling all.
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Old 10-09-2008, 04:59 AM   #20
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One shuttle was intended to go do a service mission on the Hubble. That lauch was originally scheduled to launch on October 14th. Then, on Mon. 9/29 NASA delayed the planned Shuttle launch date of Oct. 14 due to a "Hubble Anomaly". Information on their website said “NASA will host a media teleconference at 6 p.m. EDT today, September 29, to discuss a significant Hubble Space Telescope anomaly that occurred this weekend affecting the storage and transmittal of science data to Earth. Fixing the problem will delay next month's space shuttle Atlantis' Hubble servicing mission.”

In plain words. Hubble broke. And they have to figure out when they can reschedule. I heard the news on the radio that day.

Either 1) there was nothing connected, the Hubble really broke and it just happened that way.
or 2) They had found out about the Federation of Light message for October 14th, and they decided it would just be good to avoid anything near that day, and they came up with an acceptable excuse to delay.
or 3) the Federation of Light has technology so advanced they were able to disable Hubble knowing it would delay the launch.

Anyone have ideas on this?
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Old 10-18-2008, 01:07 AM   #21
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Anyone have ideas on this?

Hmmm lemme try...

1) Hubble was needed to look at something else that required both space telescopes at the same time... Oh yeah... forgot you don't know about the other one ...oopsy my bad

2) Hubble does not have weapons capabilities. There is no need they have many others like...

TRW Directed Energy Weapon



Here is the power coil in the clean room...



Here is one of the mirrors that focus the beams...




...built a lightweight, segmented 4 meter diameter (12 feet) mirror on which testing was completed in 1989. Tests verified that the surface optical figure and quality desired were achieved, and that the mirror was controlled to the required tolerances by adaptive optics adjustments. This mirror consists of a 17 mm thick facesheet bonded to fine figure actuators that are mounted on a graphite epoxy supported reaction structure. To this day, this is the largest mirror completed for use in space.


TRW Home page (DO NOT be fooled they are more than they appear just do a little research

http://www.trw.com/home/main/0,,,FF.html

Concept Drawing SBL (Space Based Laser)




SBL Martin - Marietta

At a DEW (Directed Energy Weapon) symposium (You they have those kinda conventions ) someone snapped a few pics with a clandestine camera. Below you will see the 'business end' of the above drawing..

The following set of photos were taken at the 4th Annual Directed Energy (DE) Symposium, 29 October - 1 November 2001, held in Huntsville, Alabama by a clandestine camera. This is the unveiling of the Space Based Laser (SBL)













Here is the deployment schedule...




Now if these pictures disappear you will know THEY are not happy about this

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Old 10-18-2008, 01:57 AM   #22
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Thank you to share warrior Zorgon!
Tooooooo late... if the pics dissapear
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Old 10-18-2008, 01:58 AM   #23
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The OTHER Space Program

Shuttle Missions that were launched in public view but were DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE SECRET MISSIONS

They ONLY had American Military Crew.

The Payload was top secret

The Orbital Inclination of some is STILL top secret

The Return Weight of some is STILL top secret

The Missions...

STS-51C - January 24, 1985
5 crew listed but 7 seats 'identified'
Landing Weight: Classified

STS-51J - October 7, 1985
payload, orbital parameters and mission objectives remain classified
Launch Weight: Classified
Landing Weight: 190,400 pounds
Empty weight: 151,205 pounds

STS-27 - December 2, 1988
Orbit altitude: Classified
Launch Weight: Classified
Landing Weight: 190,956 pounds
Empty weight: 151,205 pounds

STS-28 - August 8, 1989
Orbit altitude: Classified (although based on distance traveled and number
of orbits, this would be between 220 and 380 km)
Launch Weight: Classified
Landing Weight: 190,956 pounds
Empty weight: 151,205 pounds

STS-33 - November 22, 1989
Launch Weight: Classified
Landing Weight: 194,282 pounds
Empty weight: 151,205 pounds

STS-36 - February 28, 1990
Orbit inclination: 62.0 degrees NOTE The shuttle should NOT be able to go
into this inclination. At the very least highly risky
See also below

STS-38 - November 15, 1990
Launch Weight: Classified
Landing Weight: 191,091 pounds
Empty weight: 151,205 pounds

STS-39 - April 28, 1991
Orbit inclination: 57.0 degrees
Classified payload consisted of Multi-Purpose Release Canister (MPEC). As
part of the sophisticated experiments, five spacecraft or satellites were
deployed from the payload bay, and one was retrieved later during the
mission.
Landing diverted to KSC because of unacceptably high winds at planned
landing site, Edwards.
Landing weight: 211,512 lb (95,940 kg).
Empty weight: 151,205 pounds
This mission also made several orbit changes with addition burns of the
OMS, proving that the Shuttle CAN change orbit. They also did this on
STS 36, the "MISTY' flight

STS-44 - November 24, 1991
Landing Weight: 193,825 pounds
Empty weight: 151,205 pounds
See payload photo below

STS-53 - December 2, 1992
Orbit inclination: 57 degrees
Landing Weight: 193,215 pounds
Empty weight: 151,205 pounds


STS-53 was the last fully DoD dedicated Shuttle Mission. While the new missions carry some payloads for the military, most secret packages are launched now by 'other' means

STS-36 - February 28, 1990
This was the mission that deployed 'MISTY' a very contraversial craft that involved steath techniques provide by Robert Bigelow of Bigelow Aerospace. The 'story' was that soon after deployment it was self propelled to another orbit... where it malfunctioned and exploded.

Only problem was that several amateur astronomers tracked it AFTER the explosion and it is still up there. It was further an embarassment to the DoD because the designers of the stealth device went and patented it without permission

MISTY 2 was supposedly canceled by Kennedy

Also this is very important...

The launch trajectory was unique to this flight, and allowed the mission to reach an orbital inclination of 62°, the deployment orbit of its payload, while the normal maximum inclination for a shuttle flight is 57°. This so-called "dog-leg" trajectory saw Atlantis fly downrange on a normal launch azimuth, and then maneuver to a higher launch azimuth once out over the water. Although the maneuver resulted in a reduction of vehicle performance, it was the only way to reach the required deployment orbit from the Kennedy Space Center (originally, the flight had been slated to launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, until the shuttle launch facilities there were mothballed in 1989). Flight rules that prohibit overflight of land were suspended, with the trajectory taking the vehicle over or near Cape Hatterras, Cape Cod, and parts of Canada. The payload was considered to be of importance to national security, hence the suspension of normal flight rules.

STS-44: Unclassified DOD Mission

This mission has now been declassified...

Here is the payload



Deployment... This one has the capability to maneuver on its own once deployed



Image Description: STS-44 Defense Support Program (DSP) / Inertial Upper Stage (IUS) spacecraft, with forward airborne support equipment (ASE) payload retention latch actuator released (foreground), is raised to a 29 degree predeployment position by the ASE aft frame tilt actuator (AFTA) table in the payload bay (PLB) of Atlantis, Orbiter Vehicle (OV) 104. Underneath the DSP / IUS combination, the umbilical boom is connected to the IUS. DSP components include Infrared (IR) sensor (top), AR I, SHF Antenna, EHF Antenna, Link 2 High-Gain Antenna, star sensor, and stowed solar paddles (box-like structure around the base). The Earth's limb and the blackness of space create the backdrop for this deployment scene.

This is the DoD extra mission patch that was worn on these missions





People need to stop thinking that NASA has anything to do with the REAL space program They merely run support and public opinion

Clementine Satellite was a DoD/ US NAVY satellite... NASA only ran mission control

Two months after STS-75 had problems with the tether... the NAVY flew another tether, this one was successful and flew for two years... they fired lasers at it from AMOS in Maui and Starfire in Kirtland AFB... the purpose was to test transmitting of power via laser from Earth stations to satellites

12/13/2007 - CAPE CANAVERAL AIR FORCE STATION, Fla. -- Shortly after the Atlas V rumbled off the pad late Monday afternoon, Maj. Dewitt Morgan "high-fived" Rick Day in the Morrell Operations Center's mission control room and said, "Great launch! Way to turn the Range."

The two members of the 1st Range Operations Squadron were in celebratory moods as the Atlas V carried a National Reconnaissance Office payload into space. The reason: In the wake of NASA's scrubbing of the STS-122 space shuttle mission early Sunday morning, 1 ROPS led the 45th Space Wing's charge to get the Eastern Range reconfigured in less than 36 hours to support the Atlas V launch.

THIS is the OTHER space program!!! 36 hours record reconfig of the pad so they could launch the NRO satellite on time...

WHY WAS IT A RUSH???

Patrick AFB outside Kennedy Space Port is home to the most important wing of Space Command the 45th Wing. One of our Pegasus Research Consortium's member's husband is 'highly placed' there

Here is the OTHER Mission control that launched the reconfigured mission


Image Courtesy Patrick AFB (Click for larger image)

Atlas V pre-launch operations
(l to r) 1st Lt. Georgene Hilb, Maj. Eric Amissah, Capt. Davina Fallaw, Capt. Bai Zhu and Stephen Anstey work on console at the Technical Support Facility during Atlas V pre-launch operations Dec. 10. (Courtesy photo)

Though most of what I have shown you here is declassified now... it is still 'sensitive' and not generally known to the public.

Hopefully a few will get some understanding of the REAL SPACE PROGRAM from this... and stop the silly notion that NASA is in control of anything...

but I know many will just breeze on by to the next Oct 14th GFL rendezvous...
Well they say you can lead a horse to water... but you can't make him drink..

One last patch for the serious ones amongst you to think about...

And THIS one is directly related to the OP Title







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