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09-13-2008, 11:01 PM | #1 |
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The Emergence of Informatics
Knowledge engineering, semantic equivalence, collaborative innovation, the pursuit of some common purpose.
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The point of the quote is not to suggest that service to others does not create value and high personal dignity, rather that it must be a self-generated motive, not because somebody else told you to. Basically it was meant to suggest thinking for yourself is the highest virtue. I don't agree with all of Ayn Rand, but some of her ideas such as individuality and holding oneself to principles such as self-development and honor, are essential to human evolution. If everybody did things for big brother, we'd all be virtuous wouldn't we? You should do something because you think it's right. Service to others begins with service to self, through which you recognize that where one ends and another begins is nominal. Ultimately you're helping others more when you're acting consciously, the spiritual evolution of mankind will be more organic, you cannot engineer karma and get away with it. Rumi describes it quite eloquently. Hence, rather than collecting power at one end, fold it back on itself to create self-organizing, humanitarian, libertarian communities from within. Last edited by isotelesis; 09-14-2008 at 03:41 AM. |
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Who is trying to work that way? Sure as heck isn't me. All I'm trying to do is leave something behind for future generations. Life is short. Aren't we grateful those who came before us stored and organized their knowledge in writing? However, I agree that the akashic field is the ultimate relational database. Last edited by isotelesis; 09-14-2008 at 04:20 AM. |
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I am looking for those who want to create a global network which creates order from chaos.
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I'm not sure how you personally define servicing oneself from knowing oneself. If similar then I would agree, as you can't help another effectively without being able to help yourself. Which comes with knowing. I can't seem to get my head around "Independence is the only gauge of human virtue and value". I just can't see that as truth in any sense. |
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Dependence~>Independence~>Interdependence The ultimate telesis is globally beneficial symbiotic interdependence, however independence places the responsibility on the individual, therefore avoiding false measurements of the virtue of a person. Or, you can say that being Anglo-Saxon is a way to measure virtue and value since one may acquire the value of what other members of your race did, or being a Hilton...what did Paris ever do to be worth so much? Oh you have such and such blood, you must be superior, because you have certain physical features...of course, the best guage of virtue and value is what other people did for you, right...so, Aryans are all tall blonds right? Greys and Nordics are rather easily programmable. Last edited by isotelesis; 09-15-2008 at 03:41 AM. |
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09-16-2008, 11:16 AM | #9 |
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At some point the system will change, people must learn to have limits on certain wants, the animal farm needs good shepards. One does not have to agree with the methods, but isotelesis keeps us working towards common goals, eventually the 5 pointed pyramid becomes an 8 pointed merkaba. To become a galactic species of planned progress.
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09-23-2008, 10:16 PM | #10 |
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See how easily vital information becomes lost in chaotic attractors? Imagine what it must be like to manage the entire world, much less this little forum, hence the need for informatics. Once they get their machines processing language as naturally as human thought, the challenge will be transferring that knowledge, which is where cognitive science and human computer interaction become important. Ultimately, populations will have to agree to a common purpose, which Isotelesis will facilitate to some extent. My goal is to get into biodynamic agriculture once the system finally melts. You can find me in Livermore, CA.
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Give what you can;take what you need.Problem with human frailties are that greed 'justifies' the take what you need portion of the equation and give what you can can also become less affordable to most.Humanity has to understand the richness and unadulterated reward of giving.
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I'm too preoccupied this moment to submit a detailed reply to the specific thoughts displayed in this thread. But I think it's of value to indicate here that some ears exist in the forest and the falling trees of information exchange therefore do make a sound. And find like minds.
The purpose expressed about art, love, treating others, etc. definitely resounds and resonates along with other thoughts expressed in the worldview leveled like a compact foundation for a true seeker's path. |
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I think the essence of a self-directed life as outlined above in this thread is analogous to the dictum "know thyself." I think we always emit outwardly what we harbor inwardly. The value of certain standards, when shared by like minds with like values, can produce a collective result of mutual enhancement. |
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However that isn't the point of the quote. It means to never compromise one's identity. To never let your mind be enslaved by organizational tyranny. When you feed the homeless, you are doing so for your own personal spiritual fulfillment, not for the religious overlords who determine whether you get into heaven or not. Ultimately we are all one. What one makes of themselves is more important than what one does because it fulfills the identity of another. Last edited by isotelesis; 09-24-2008 at 05:01 AM. |
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I don't plan to become high tech low life. We must strive to become telic agents of the oneness known as God. Our ways of knowing will become more self-evident over time. |
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All is One. All consiousness is One with the illusion of seperation. Service to others only means seeing yourself in another, and seeing the highest good in others because they are only facets of yourself, there really is no other. Only yourself and all conciousness as One. When you serve yourself, the personality, the ego, then you affirm the separation. Blessings to all. Namaste |
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09-26-2008, 12:25 AM | #18 |
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My goal isn't to affirm separation. The goal is to enable an isomorphic medium which optimizes the vital processes of self-organization and decision making through self-describing ontologies which promote knowledge development for interdependent telic agents, allowing one-of-a-kind individuals to coherently apply themselves in order to overcome the Nash Equilibrium. This respects and preserves the essential variations which allow info-cognitive structures to evolve in creative, inspired, artistic, innovative, and original ways. This promotes the creation of value for all sentient beings and the elemental mind of the creator. The ultimate goal is that of...[whatever you call oneness].
Pretty much the next generation of game theory. Last edited by isotelesis; 09-26-2008 at 12:34 AM. |
09-28-2008, 10:11 AM | #19 |
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The very methods of communication we rely upon are becoming obsolete. A form of telepathy and condensed knowing are natural consequences. Psycholinguistics will eventually shift from the analytical exercise of categorizing syntactic semantics through explicitly defined, artificial representations to exploring interaction and communication using the natural, metalinguistic elements of human consciousness.
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09-29-2008, 06:20 AM | #20 |
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Provides essential insights on the nature of consciousness:
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