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Old 02-12-2009, 03:53 AM   #1
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February 11, 2009
By Dr. Richard

Earlier this month, I posted Etienne's guest post Seeking/Starting a Survival Retreat in Virginia / Maryland / Pennsylvania / West Virginia. Today, I had lunch with Etienne de la Boetie and another prepper here in Loudoun County. We had a long discussion about survival retreats vs neighborhood survival. Etienne is a big fan of the survival retreat concept. He previously had a retreat where he did not own the land but where he was able to store a travel trailer recreational vehicle in which he pre-positioned various preps and supplies. Unfortunately, his friend moved and sold the property. There are four major flaws in the survival retreat separate from your home concept:


1. There are significant liabilities and social problems with communal retreats where one does not own the property - you are vulnerable to the actions of the others, particularly the property owner.

2. Property left at unattended retreats is vulnerable to theft and vandalism. This is going to be a growing problem as the economic depression gets worse, especially if we have economic collapse.

3. Getting to the retreat would be problematic in the event that it is actually needed - particularly in martial law scenarios where the military and law enforecement block traffic at key intersections or in cases where there are fuel shortages.

4. Relatively undeveloped retreats with a trailer and undeveloped land may not be sufficiently developed for long-term survival and offer insufficient space for storage of the various preps and other items you need. Many of these items would likely be at your day-to-day residence and you cannot assume that you can transport everything at the last minute.


My view is that survival retreats only work if you live there full-time. Furthermore, although remote locations are further removed from the masses, they are also further removed from jobs, markets, customers, hospitals, and many other useful infrastructure and will be harder pressed to gather a sufficiently large group to cover all of the tasks needed in a true long-term survival scenario. Even the best special forces operator cannot defend his property 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Unfortunately, we are rapidly running out of time and it is probably already too late to relocate - especially if relocating means trying to sell your existing home in this real estate environment -- in my neighborhood we haven't had a sale in over eight months and anyone who bought in the last four years AND did the traditional 20% down payment fixed 30 year mortgage now has negative equity.

I am a big proponent of the concept that your family, friends, neighbors, and church are your survival group. Yes, I understand that many are unprepared and clueless about both the threats and what they need to do to prepare for them. However, your home is your survival retreat. Strengthen it to the extent you can, but your odds improve exponentially if you can organize your neighborhood and help everyone survive against the threat(s) you are facing in your survival situation. You and those in the group who are better prepared or who have the right skills are the cadre needed to get organized and do what is needed. The rest of the neighborhood are your foot soldiers and do'ers. My philosophy is to lead and organize but that charity starts with those who are willing to help themselves and help the group in the survival situation. In a survival situation, your first challenges are to assess the hazards/priorities/immediate needs, organize the group, secure the neighborhood, and scrounge/barter/trade for needed resources.

Be a leader. There are many things you can do to help develop your neighborhood group of family, friends, neighbors, and fellow church members and increase the odds of the neighborhood surviving:


Get to know them.

Have potluck dinners.

Help them wake up and prepare.

Start a garden club to help start victory gardens.

Start a community watch program for your neighborhood.

Give them a copy of Chris Martenson's Crash Course on the economy DVD. I bought a case of 30 and gave them as 2008 Christmas gifts.

Give copies of Holly Deyo's book Dare to Prepare as gifts. I bought a case of 8 (saved 40%) and gave them as 2008 Christmas gifts to family and several neighbors who got it and were starting to prep.

Store extra preps for charity and be prepared to give when it is needed for survival.

Learn about their skills, backgrounds, and interests - on my street we have a former Navy Corpsman/LEO/M16 Instructor/master scrounger/contractor/award winning BBQ chef who gets it and is starting to prepare, 2 nurses, a master gardener, an agricultural engineer / head of the 800 home neighborhood HOA, a Mormon family that does food storage, and six members of the neighborhood garden club run by our master gardener.

Buy tools that would be useful that could be shared like tillers.

Buy extra seed such as a 7 year supply of Survival Seeds and be prepared to provide seeds for neighbors

Build a survival library of books and skills that you can use to train them when they need survival skills.

Buy several extra surplus rifles such as the Russian Mosin Nagant or SKS rifles and stock extra ammunition to equip your "community watch" patrols.

Invite them to go to a shooting range with you.

Be prepared to give honest evaluations of whether individuals should relocate once a survival situation begins to relative's homes or even public shelters if that is the best option for them.


You will be pleasantly surprised how many of your family, friends, neighbors, and fellow church members that are starting to wake up and realize the reality and danger of our current position. This number is increasing every week. Don't simply assume that they are all clueless sheep - many simply need some education and a leader to show them the way.

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Old 02-12-2009, 09:56 AM   #2
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That is a great article very down to earth and Basic.
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Old 02-12-2009, 12:42 PM   #3
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Nice read angle, calm, common sense, pulling people together, and preserving a sense of the goodness of who we are as a people, create the light and many will follow. Copying this thread.
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Old 02-12-2009, 05:57 PM   #4
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Dear Oedilroed,

it seems you are a little lost. Nothing wrong here, many of us are.
May I ask what you do to 'prepare', mentally or physically?

If you click my name and read my other posts can read about my personal approach.

I'd like to add that people from many nations, but mostly US citizens are active here.
A cultural difference should not be ignored.


greetings from the Netherlands
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Old 02-14-2009, 03:47 AM   #5
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Survival Retreats?

That sounds like something FEMA would say to try to get us to willingly come to their Camps
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Old 02-14-2009, 04:44 PM   #6
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The self sufficient communities have a better chance of forming if the big changes before the pole shift come in incremental steps, so that more of the (aware) people at some point will decide to "make the move". If you really know for sure that staying in the city is going to be a death trap, then you're going to carry out plans to move out. For now, there's still too much inertia to make the effort for a lot of people, not having had any experience of related life threatening "events".

It's also a good idea to make sure you have some mobility without counting on the use of the car. A possible CME scenario (August/Sept this year?) could disable the whole transport system. A bicycle would still allow you to move and get to your country place.
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Old 02-14-2009, 11:14 PM   #7
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perhaps you could select and involve others (from anywhere in the world) from project av?...to live too at this location and share in keeping it going, turn it into a survivalist community...seems crazy to give it up too easy.... too many need exactly the place you describe....worth a try???
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Old 02-14-2009, 11:19 PM   #8
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Hi Oedilroed,

I work for Ericsson and have been there many times. Scania is between the airport and Stockholm, if I remember correctly. Sweden is a good location, very clean. You can get along in English, but they have strict laws for working there (maybe language is more of a problem for you working there). The estate sounds perfect for a community.

You do have one option other people don't have. Zetatalk claims that as the shift approaches, people will claim to go to Sweden as tourists. In your case, you will not have that problem. You could have the option of finding a good location in the country side, where you can maybe store some food (rent some storage space?) If things get bad, you can make your one way trip to Sweden. Another option is to make an arrangement with some farm where you can help out in exchange for a place to stay? The country side is really nice there... maybe even the estate that your friend is presently staying would be open to that.
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Old 02-14-2009, 11:41 PM   #9
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Beanny has an interesting idea.. Also your friend can stay there, and offer some space for food storage for a rental fee. Basically take advantage of your friends position in the estate, and turn it into something that will give him some income and help other people to have a place to go for the future. What I call a win/win scenario.. something to think about.
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