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Old 11-08-2008, 10:28 PM   #1
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Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service

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by J.D. Tuccille, Civil Liberties Examiner


Rahm Emanuel
Rep. Rahm Emanuel wants to force people 18 to 25
to labor for the government.
Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, President-Elect Barack Obama's choice for chief of staff in his incoming administration, is co-author of a book, The Plan: Big Ideas for America, that calls for, among other things, compulsory service for all Americans ages 18 to 25. The following excerpt is from pages 61-62 of the 2006 book:

" It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. ...

Here's how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They'll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we're hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities' most pressing needs."

Emanuel and co-author Bruce Reed insist "this is not a draft," but go on to write of young men and women, "the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service." They also warn, "[s]ome Republicans will squeal about individual freedom," ruling out any likelihood that they would let people opt out of universal citizen service.

As chief of staff, Emanuel will not be in a position to directly introduce public policy, but his enthusiasm for compulsory service, combined with Barack Obama's own plan to require high school students to perform 50 hours of government-approved service, suggest an unfortunate direction for the new administration.

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-...versal-service

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Old 11-08-2008, 10:33 PM   #2
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This idea would make a good Scot laugh, this has nothing to do with taking the high ground.

Compulsory service is immoral, unconstitutional, and not morally lawful.
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:34 PM   #3
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In case you all didn't realize Rahm Emanuel is Obama's new chief of staff...
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:37 PM   #4
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More obamamania
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:38 PM   #5
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Three months? Shiit I'd SIGN UP for that!

I don't think it should be compulsory though, if they offered some incentives and didn't require chipping or any vaccinations, etc. I'd probably sign up.

The thing that kept me from joining the military was I didn't like signing years of my life away and being trapped on some base somewhere. I like going home at the end of the day
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:38 PM   #6
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Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service

197 comments
November 6, 10:03 AM
by J.D. Tuccille, Civil Liberties Examiner


Rahm Emanuel
Rep. Rahm Emanuel wants to force people 18 to 25
to labor for the government.
Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, President-Elect Barack Obama's choice for chief of staff in his incoming administration, is co-author of a book, The Plan: Big Ideas for America, that calls for, among other things, compulsory service for all Americans ages 18 to 25. The following excerpt is from pages 61-62 of the 2006 book:

" It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. ...

Here's how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They'll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we're hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities' most pressing needs."

Emanuel and co-author Bruce Reed insist "this is not a draft," but go on to write of young men and women, "the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service." They also warn, "[s]ome Republicans will squeal about individual freedom," ruling out any likelihood that they would let people opt out of universal citizen service.

As chief of staff, Emanuel will not be in a position to directly introduce public policy, but his enthusiasm for compulsory service, combined with Barack Obama's own plan to require high school students to perform 50 hours of government-approved service, suggest an unfortunate direction for the new administration.

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-...versal-service

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I respectively disagree with you. Isn't it the me, me, me times that have ruled our country since the '80's that most of us are hoping to change to 'us, us, us? I am old enough to remember when the United States had a Civil Defense system. I remember hearing the siren and getting under my little school desk to protect myself from the scary Russians! I am tired of fear and negativity being 'gleened' out of every new idea.

As to Civil Defense, there was a time when everyday Americans stepped up to learn how to direct and perform under times of national distress. The young people on this planet today are, for the most part, truly extraordinary and I would gladly follow their 'tutored' lead. This is not Germany in the l930's and 40's. We are creating our futures at a very fast pace and young vibrant leaders are welcome in place of the stodgy current regime. I would bet that our young people would be excited to be invited into the possibilities of making real differences and helping in any way they can.
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:40 PM   #7
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Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service

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November 6, 10:03 AM
by J.D. Tuccille, Civil Liberties Examiner


Rahm Emanuel
Rep. Rahm Emanuel wants to force people 18 to 25
to labor for the government.
Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, President-Elect Barack Obama's choice for chief of staff in his incoming administration, is co-author of a book, The Plan: Big Ideas for America, that calls for, among other things, compulsory service for all Americans ages 18 to 25. The following excerpt is from pages 61-62 of the 2006 book:

" It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. ...

Here's how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They'll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we're hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities' most pressing needs."

Emanuel and co-author Bruce Reed insist "this is not a draft," but go on to write of young men and women, "the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service." They also warn, "[s]ome Republicans will squeal about individual freedom," ruling out any likelihood that they would let people opt out of universal citizen service.

As chief of staff, Emanuel will not be in a position to directly introduce public policy, but his enthusiasm for compulsory service, combined with Barack Obama's own plan to require high school students to perform 50 hours of government-approved service, suggest an unfortunate direction for the new administration.

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-...versal-service

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Obama is going to change everything alright.......and not for the better.
This isn't even the tip of the iceberg of what these creatures have in store for the last days of America.
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:45 PM   #8
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This all harks back to "rebuilding americas defenses" (PNAC), if they can't get enough from Mexico then they'll force them in.
Obama is the same old story with a different face.

Cynthia McKinney, Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich were the only genuine people I could see amongst all the nominees.
The rest were all bought and paid for a long time ago. It's just a puppet show.
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:48 PM   #9
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Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service

197 comments
November 6, 10:03 AM
by J.D. Tuccille, Civil Liberties Examiner


Rahm Emanuel
Rep. Rahm Emanuel wants to force people 18 to 25
to labor for the government.
Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, President-Elect Barack Obama's choice for chief of staff in his incoming administration, is co-author of a book, The Plan: Big Ideas for America, that calls for, among other things, compulsory service for all Americans ages 18 to 25. The following excerpt is from pages 61-62 of the 2006 book:

" It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. ...

Here's how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They'll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we're hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities' most pressing needs."

Emanuel and co-author Bruce Reed insist "this is not a draft," but go on to write of young men and women, "the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service." They also warn, "[s]ome Republicans will squeal about individual freedom," ruling out any likelihood that they would let people opt out of universal citizen service.

As chief of staff, Emanuel will not be in a position to directly introduce public policy, but his enthusiasm for compulsory service, combined with Barack Obama's own plan to require high school students to perform 50 hours of government-approved service, suggest an unfortunate direction for the new administration.

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-...versal-service

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Obama is going to change everything alright.......and not for the better.
If ya can't say no to servitude, its slavery.
Even Rahm can't twist that into something "good"...
Do not ask what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country? Never mind asking, we'll make you...

" It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. "
So what did hid Buddy (Z) Biden do with the unreal Patriot Act?

Where do these people get these Ideas?

"The Hitler Jugend (or Hitler Youth) organisation was formed in 1933 as a branch of the National Socialist party (NSDAP). All other youth clubs and groups in Germany were incorporated into the HJ, and the Boy Scout movement was banned. In 1939, service in the Hitler Jugend between the ages of ten and eighteen was made compulsory."

http://cas.awm.gov.au/heraldry/REL30209

"to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. ..."

Basic Training? And then fight next to the National Guard the war with <Next Enemy of the Masters> as the Hitler Jugend did at the end?

Man they drag you to the abyss, throw you into it, and while you are falling, you smile since one was made to think that it is for the good of it all... Meanwhile back at the ranch, the bag lady's can't even find food in the garbage bin of McDonalds, beside of course that they have to stand in line in front of that garbage can with people that still can afford (Barely) their housing.

I wonder if part of the training involves handling that Wolrd Peace breaks out, and no one can find a reason to fight and die for some burocrat with questionable loyalties anylonger....
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:51 PM   #10
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3 months sounds like something fun to do between college years. It doesnt sound too bad but when you consider where this message comes from is where your suspicions kick in.

Here in the UK its a fact that staff such as parking wardens have been told they may be required to help out in case of emergencies.

Obama wants a youth bridage. To me its all about getting as many people as possible into an authority position. Hypothetically a false flag emergency happens and all of the people who have been trained start their new job in keeping order. My current thoughts on it anyway
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:53 PM   #11
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oh and did they ever cut "spending" in Philly this week.
did you see it? did you see it?
I've worked community service in philly. or what i consider community service. :-)
while i was going to college. and i have undefinable debt. so when i hear them say stuff like- community service and paying for school it just makes me want to throw up.
never mind taking care of the people that do it the real way. i hate how they'll get people on these faux plans to help people when they'll really just be training how not to help people. so sad. this is an example of a city that would really benefit from kids doing stuff for other kids. arg. makes me so sick.
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:53 PM   #12
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I think it wouldn't be so bad, maybe they would learn something about civil defense, instead of learning how to tap a keg, or do beer bongs. LOL!
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:56 PM   #13
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Hypothetically a false flag emergency happens and all of the people who have been trained start their new job in keeping order.
Yup, got it in one m8y.
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:58 PM   #14
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I think it wouldn't be so bad, maybe they would learn something about civil defense, instead of learning how to tap a keg, or do beer bongs. LOL!
They'd learn plenty about how to lose their humanity, become cold blooded killers, beat "islamic terrorists" with the freedom stick and other such great educational stuff.
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Old 11-08-2008, 11:02 PM   #15
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3 months sounds like something fun to do between college years.
Yes, as long as everything is quiet on the Frontier..
The Stop Loss Policy

National Guard and Army Reserve members are also affected by the ongoing Stop Loss Policy, which allows the Pentagon to keep soldiers whose enlistment is due to expire in order to maintain troop strength and unit integrity. The restrictions bar voluntary separations and retirements for soldiers in designated units beginning 90 days before deployment until 90 days after their units return to their home stations. Specifically, "the President may suspend any provision of law relating to promotion, retirement, or separation applicable to any member of the armed forces who the President determines is essential to the national security of the United States." A Stop Loss order for National Guard and Reserve units activated for the war against terrorism has been in effect since November 2002. Army officials announced June 1 the latest Active Army Stop Loss/Stop Movement Program for active Army units preparing for deployment overseas in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom remains in effect.

A lawsuit, Doe v. Rumsfeld, was filed against the Stop Loss Policy in August of 2004 in federal court in San Francisco on behalf of an Army recruit who served nine years on active duty, most recently in Iraq. The plaintiff is currently a reservist in the California National Guard. The suit contends that the plaintiff only signed up for one year, and that the stop loss could force him "to return to Iraq for up to two years, and possible continued military service beyond that time." Some critics have referred to the Stop Loss policy as a "backdoor draft."
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Old 11-08-2008, 11:08 PM   #16
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They'd learn plenty about how to lose their humanity, become cold blooded killers, beat "islamic terrorists" with the freedom stick and other such great educational stuff.
Oh c'mon it's civil defense, more like community service, not military. It would do them some good.
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Old 11-08-2008, 11:20 PM   #17
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Oh c'mon it's civil defense, more like community service, not military. It would do them some good.
There are a lot of behavior patterns from which people say that would do other people some good! Make them all mandatory?

Do them some good, is to learn to volunteer for it...
But mandatory? It is just placing another group of society under direct or indirect command of Ceasar and then at his discretion..
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They'd learn plenty about how to lose their humanity, become cold blooded killers, beat "islamic terrorists" with the freedom stick and other such great educational stuff.
That's not about what civil defense is about at all. It about organizing on a local level should an emergency occur.

Could this be perverted and used for evil? Of course, but personally I think more people knowing how to orgainze and take care of themselves and their communities is a good thing.
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Old 11-08-2008, 11:23 PM   #19
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Oh c'mon it's civil defense, more like community service, not military. It would do them some good.
Community service would be visiting old folks homes and having a chat or helping out at the homless shelter.
This is just training them for what's to come, just as TranceAM said, the Hitler youth were all told the same old story too. But this is America and that sort of thing doesn't happen here.

Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. It's straight out of Sun Tzu's book as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 11-08-2008, 11:26 PM   #20
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HaHa, the funny thing is, if it was voluntary nobody would show up!
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Old 11-08-2008, 11:30 PM   #21
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That's not about what civil defense is about at all. It about organizing on a local level should an emergency occur.

Could this be perverted and used for evil? Of course, but personally I think more people knowing how to orgainze and take care of themselves and their communities is a good thing.
Thank you, well said
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HaHa, the funny thing is, if it was voluntary nobody would show up!
So why the stealing of lifetime (The real Wealth of people.) from one (Without paying for it.) and then redistribution of the efforts milked out of that stolen lifetime to others?

Making/enforcing a law, doesn't make it 'good".. It only makes it lawful.

There is quite a cold shill surrounding your aura Dan.
Work for the Man?
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So why the stealing of lifetime (The real Wealth of people.) from one (Without paying for it.) and then redistribution of the efforts milked out of that stolen lifetime to others?

Making/enforcing a law, doesn't make it 'good".. It only makes it lawful.

There is quite a cold shill surrounding your aura Dan.
Work for the Man?
No HaHa, don't get me wrong, I don't agree with working for the man, so to speak, but it's only 3 months and young people are soft these days, they need to get their hands dirty for their community. My aura is nice and warm and fuzzy, oh wait, that's the blanket wrapped around me. lol!
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Old 11-08-2008, 11:44 PM   #24
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Hitler Youth?
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Old 11-09-2008, 12:03 AM   #25
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are people seriously defending this??

even neocons and bush didnt MAKE you join, im not an obama hater but this guy Rahm is a serious pro isreal warhawk (asked by tim russert if he'd vote for the war even knowing thered be a huge loss of life and there were no weapons of mass destruction, he said "yes")

politics as usual, all administrations suck--- universal service would be one step more towrds fascism, not thanks rahm.
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