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Old 12-14-2009, 09:50 AM   #1
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I would like to start this thread but would like initial comment from others before i enter into it.
Welcome to all who would like to contribute.

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Old 12-14-2009, 11:02 AM   #2
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Im interested in your thread greybeard. I understand the ego to be the same as the personality cut off from the spiritual Self. In 'cut off' I mean unaware.

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Old 12-14-2009, 12:01 PM   #3
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Here is my starter for you - one way of many of looking at it. The ego is from the part of my mind that thinks "I", typically it only exists while the clock is ticking.

Transcending it requires the removal of the clock ticking - no past, no future, no ego, just the moment.

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Old 12-29-2009, 02:10 AM   #4
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Here is my starter for you - one way of many of looking at it. The ego is from the part of my mind that thinks "I", typically it only exists while the clock is ticking.

Transcending it requires the removal of the clock ticking - no past, no future, no ego, just the moment.

That indicates to me. Also when I get into a serene undulating mode ego disappears.

"I am special" is ego. "I am special like everyone else" is not ego.

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Old 12-29-2009, 01:02 PM   #5
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Something to be aware of is that as enlightenment approaches there will be a final temptation and many others before the final door is reached.
In the case of Dr David Hawkins it was along the lines of. " Now that you are beyond personal karma all power is yours own it" He describes this as Luciferic temptation.
At this point he says yes you are beyond personal karma but not cosmic karma.
Jesus was also tempted in a similar way.
Hawkins found this temptation relatively easy to resist.
Power who needs it, who wants the responsibility, was his response.

We are not co-creators with God ,co is tandem with and implies duality.
We have as a divine part of God the seed of creation, to be clear God creates through us.
We have unique God given potential and can create through that but within the confines only of that potential, moment to moment.

The trouble with giving a small part of information is that context is lost so that it it loses value and leads to misunderstanding.

A corner torn of a Rembrandt painting is not the painting.

I can only point to the teaching of Dr David Hawkins or other enlightened beings.

My ego is still work in progress.

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Old 12-29-2009, 01:39 PM   #6
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Hi - I'm new to this thread - great topic.

I've read the previous posts and very much agree with 14 Chakras view re: the ego being the illusion of a separate self. As to what causes the sense of separateness, I see this arising (perhaps inevitably to some extent) from the identification of consciousness with the body - since people's bodies are in fact separate and distinct.

It's interesting to consider how this illusion of separateness get created and maintained. It seems that consciousness gets 'localized' in associating with a particular body and then this localization gets entrained and the sense of separateness becomes habitual. Such entrained localization would also tend to obscure an awareness of the inherent unboundedness of consciousness.

Considering the ego (illusion of a separate self) in this way, the question of how to transcend the ego would be framed as how to release consciousness from its entrained identification with a particular body, thereby allowing it to realize its inherent unboundedness.

What would the experience of such release be like? There have been several references to the guru/disciple relationship and encounters with realized people (David Hawkins, Eckhart Tolle). One of my favourite accounts is posted at the website of Thomas Ashley-Farrand - a western Vedic priest who teaches mantra meditation.

In his book, True Stories of Spiritual Power (2001), Thomas describes a remarkable encounter, which occurred around 1975 when he was 35. He had been meditating for about two years at the time. He was doing temp work for a consulting firm and was assigned to the U.S. Dept of Labor in Washington DC to help them reconcile their property book.

Shortly after arriving, he found himself among the whitest of white hats - a mutually-telepathic group of employees who proceeded to disclose that they knew his every thought and feeling. They also had remarkable healing powers. In fact, the purpose of the encounter seems to have been to clear certain blockages from his nervous system (and restructure his worldview!). Although he had been hired for two weeks, he was told at the end of the first week that the assignment was complete and he never saw them again.

The account is similar to the meeting between Jesus and the Samaritan woman at Jacob's well (John 4) where Jesus disclosed to the woman that he knew her marital history (she went back to her town and said "Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did" Jn 4:29).

In Thomas's case, the entrainment would be to a transcendent communalization that would indeed definitively dispel the illusion of a separate self. I am familiar with Thomas's work, have spoken with him, and believe this account is credible.

"Very Civil Servants" - http://www.sanskritmantra.com/laser.htm

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Old 12-29-2009, 02:06 PM   #7
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Thank you Synaxis.
It is as you say in part down to identification with the body.
The story you tell is very interesting.
Its all levels of understanding linked to spiritual vibration.
Its a bit like children in school are first taught the alphabet then words then sentences.
Higher english, geometry, algebra would be meaningless at that time.
Ultimate truth ---- Only God is.
Try telling that to an egoic consciousness.

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Old 12-30-2009, 06:52 AM   #8
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I suggest, that the key in overcoming ego, is NEVER being there. There is always More, infinitely More. We can get to a certain stage, and think we are there, write books, good books, teach help, but are we really there?

No. We're never there. There is always More. Often we teach from our current level of consciousness, which may in fact be more enlightened than the average, but as soon as we are a teacher and no longer a student, we are no longer in the River of Life, we are no longer in the River of More.

The temptations never cease. The test do not stop. As long as we are in a body, we can continue to progress in consciousness and we will continuously be tested and tempted along the Way. The test and temptations surely become more subtle, but they take us higher when we pass, we Be More.

So I do suggest this does apply to those who are teaching at this time including authors named in this thread. We are all students of More even the teachers, as they are only truly teachers, if they are still students.

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Old 12-30-2009, 07:20 AM   #9
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I suggest, that the key in overcoming ego, is NEVER being there. There is always More, infinitely More. We can get to a certain stage, and think we are there, write books, good books, teach help, but are we really there?

No. We're never there. There is always More. Often we teach from our current level of consciousness, which may in fact be more enlightened than the average, but as soon as we are a teacher and no longer a student, we are no longer in the River of Life, we are no longer in the River of More.

The temptations never cease. The test do not stop. As long as we are in a body, we can continue to progress in consciousness and we will continuously be tested and tempted along the Way. The test and temptations surely become more subtle, but they take us higher when we pass, we Be More.

So I do suggest this does apply to those who are teaching at this time including authors named in this thread. We are all students of More even the teachers, as they are only truly teachers, if they are still students.
we must never forget ... the student that we are ...
the ego ... desires us only as teachers ... but we are greater than that ...
the greater ... is the student ... the observer ...

within our adult physicality ... and our adult mentality ... we should never forget the child within us ... for it is the child ... whom transcends ego ... the child ... is open hearted and allows for ... continued learning ...

at any given point ... the ego ... can try to convince us ... we have attained the peak of what there is to know ...

but no ... the student within ... never ceases to exist ... as beings of all that is ... of creation ... our light continuously grows brighter ...

we should always remember ... the purity of the child within ...
for within our inner child ... there is absence of ego ...





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Old 12-31-2009, 01:48 AM   #10
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I suggest, that the key in overcoming ego, is NEVER being there. There is always More, infinitely More. We can get to a certain stage, and think we are there, write books, good books, teach help, but are we really there?

No. We're never there. There is always More. Often we teach from our current level of consciousness, which may in fact be more enlightened than the average, but as soon as we are a teacher and no longer a student, we are no longer in the River of Life, we are no longer in the River of More.

The temptations never cease. The test do not stop. As long as we are in a body, we can continue to progress in consciousness and we will continuously be tested and tempted along the Way. The test and temptations surely become more subtle, but they take us higher when we pass, we Be More.

So I do suggest this does apply to those who are teaching at this time including authors named in this thread. We are all students of More even the teachers, as they are only truly teachers, if they are still students.

When I was studying in France I learned the french word for teach/learn is the same word.

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Old 12-31-2009, 09:32 AM   #11
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When I was studying in France I learned the french word for teach/learn is the same word.

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Thats true Gnosis. The teacher and the student are the same consciousness.

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Old 12-31-2009, 01:08 PM   #12
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Hi Chris,

I've just found these, and thought of you!

Happy New Year!!

Enjoy!!!

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...SnbG2Cw&hl=en#

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...maharaj&hl=en#

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Old 12-31-2009, 01:15 PM   #13
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Thank you very much Kryia
I havent seen either of them.
Looking forward to viewing Nasargadatta.
Ramana used to send "obstinate" devotees to the tough love of Nasargadatta.
His book "I am that" is a difficult read but special

Happy New Year to you too, and all my friends here.

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Old 12-31-2009, 08:03 PM   #14
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Wishing all a Happy New Year
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Old 01-01-2010, 02:22 AM   #15
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I had an epiphany tonight

I was listening to an Eckhart Tolle Power of now audio book, not sure which one as my zune was on shuffle. He was speaking about those moments of complete consciousness that everyone has but most don't recognize. I remembered mine, funny that they should be while admiring my wife...but not physically it was always like I was looking through her and into her(it has been a while). It always made her anxious but in a good way. Then the Buddha flower sermon came to mind and it was the most wonderful thing, my mind was free of thought and everything just melted away, I just got it, can't explain it...words don't do it justice. I've been soo relaxed since, I even feel lighter.

The closest I can come to explaining the sermon is: Enlightenment is True Love in the I of the Beholder.
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Old 01-01-2010, 05:18 AM   #16
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Great! What is the Buddha Flower Sermon? Any link?
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http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~cgherb/lotus.html

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Old 01-01-2010, 06:15 AM   #18
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The Ego is the existence of mind on the event horizon of death. Before consciousness go back in time where your unconscious was first born. That very truth is where the ego exists. It has through thousands of years buried itself with blankets of ideas and novelty to hide in the hollow earth of your mind. There it thrives on its listless vines of energy, redirecting and manipulating you from discovering its secrets. In this state it denies what it sees beyond for it does not understand and cannot integrate death. In its denial it has created a labyrinth of lies to soothe it and comfort it. An analogy would be putting your hand on a fire. The body will repel itself. In that same sense the ego does the same.'

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there is an End to everything

except That

which has no Beginning


That without Birth


Nameless Formless


I Am That I Am


I Am Awake


And when I Sleep

there will be nothing at all

but I
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there is an End to everything

except That

which has no Beginning


That without Birth


Nameless Formless


I Am That I Am


I Am Awake


And when I Sleep

there will be nothing at all

but I
Hi RedeZra
Could you post a link for the work of Robert Frost and is the above a quote of his or your personal thought?
Whatever it is correct,
The play of consciousness, the cosmic dance -- Idras dream -- whatever it seems real enough.
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Old 01-02-2010, 06:48 AM   #21
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THE FLOWER SERMON



Toward the end of his life, the Buddha took his disciples to a quiet pond for instruction. As they had done so many times before, the Buddha’s followers sat in a small circle around him, and waited for the teaching.

But this time the Buddha had no words. He reached into the muck and pulled up a lotus flower. And he held it silently before them, its roots dripping mud and water.

The disciples were greatly confused. Buddha quietly displayed the lotus to each of them. In turn, the disciples did their best to expound upon the meaning of the flower: what it symbollized, and how it fit into the body of Buddha’s teaching.

When at last the Buddha came to his follower Mahakasyapa, the disciple suddenly understood. He smiled and began to laugh. Buddha handed the lotus to Mahakasyapa and began to speak.

“What can be said I have said to you,” smiled the Buddha, “and what cannot be said, I have given to Mahakashyapa.”

Mahakashyapa became Buddha’s successor from that day forward.
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THE FLOWER SERMON



Toward the end of his life, the Buddha took his disciples to a quiet pond for instruction. As they had done so many times before, the Buddha’s followers sat in a small circle around him, and waited for the teaching.

But this time the Buddha had no words. He reached into the muck and pulled up a lotus flower. And he held it silently before them, its roots dripping mud and water.

The disciples were greatly confused. Buddha quietly displayed the lotus to each of them. In turn, the disciples did their best to expound upon the meaning of the flower: what it symbollized, and how it fit into the body of Buddha’s teaching.

When at last the Buddha came to his follower Mahakasyapa, the disciple suddenly understood. He smiled and began to laugh. Buddha handed the lotus to Mahakasyapa and began to speak.

“What can be said I have said to you,” smiled the Buddha, “and what cannot be said, I have given to Mahakashyapa.”

Mahakashyapa became Buddha’s successor from that day forward.
Guess we are are all talking about that which cannot be spoken off.
Smiling
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Excerpt from “A New Earth” By Eckhart Tolle:

“…The whole comprises all that exists. It is the world or the cosmos. But all things in existence, from microbes to human beings to galaxies, are not really separate things or entities, but form part of a web of interconnected multidimensional processes.

There are two reasons why we don’t see this unity, why we see things as separate. One is perception, which reduces reality to what is accessible to us through the small ranges of our sense: what we can see, hear, smell, taste, and touch. But when we perceive without interpreting or mental labeling, which meand without adding thought to our perceptions, we can actually still sense the deeper connectedness underneath our perception of seemingly separate things.

The other more serious reason for the illusion of separateness is compulsive thinking. It is when we are trapped in incessant streams of compulsive thinking that the universe really disintegrates for us, and we lose the ability to sense the interconnectndness of all that exists. Thinking cuts reality up into lifeless fragments. Extremely unintelligent and destructive action arises out of such a fragmented view of reality.

However, there is an even deeper level to the whole than the interconnectedness of everything in existence. As that deeper level, all things are one. It is the Source, the unmanifested one Life. It is the timeless intelligence that manifests as a universe unfolding in time.

The whole is made up of existence and Being, the manifested and the unmanifested, the world and “God.” So when you become aligned with the whole, you become a conscious part of the interconnectedness of the whole and its purpose: the emergence of consciousness into this world. As a result, spontaneous helpful occurrences, chance encounters, coincidences, and synchronistic events happen much more frequently. Carl Jung called synchronicity an “a causal connecting principle.” This means that it “is not causal connection between synchronistic events on our surface level of reality. It is an outer manifestation of an underlying intelligence behind the world of appearances – a deeper connectedness that our mind cannot understand.

But we can be conscious participants in the unfolding of that intelligence, the flowering consciousness.”

I believe one can say the more we sense our connectedness to all that is in an harmonious and peacefull way the less ego comes into play .

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The lotus blossom is a symbol of transcendence, remember where it comes from and what it grows in and then finally what is displayed to the world...from inside out.
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We are waves of the Divine Ocean.
The Ocean can say the wave is part of It
The wave can not say it is the Ocean.

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